Rotherham abuse enquiry

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:25 pm

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LIVE: Prof Alexis Jay presents her report into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham
At least 1,400 children were subjected to "appalling" sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.
Children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated it said.
The report was commissioned by Rotherham Borough Council in 2013.
Five men from the town were jailed for sexual offences against girls in 2010.
'Doused in petrol'Professor Alexis Jay, who wrote the report, said there had been "blatant" collective failures by the council's leadership, senior managers had "underplayed" the scale of the problem and South Yorkshire Police had failed to prioritise the issue.
She also found the majority of perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage.
Prof Jay said: "It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered."
She said she found examples of "children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally-violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

It's only a few though Didge....

She also said this number was a very conservative figure.

And this was only Rotherham.

by Guest Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:36 pm

gerber wrote:Fellow posters, cut the bullshit.

the authorities were too PC to admit that anything was happening in their back yard.

Rotherham will not be the only town and police force to be in the meda.

Take note from Zack....................................... The community was not able to speak for various reasons.

This in not a racist post. But the people in charge were terrified of being labelled as such.

Why no compassion on here for the victims ?

All utterly irrelevant, countless people let the girls down starting from their own families to the authorities and again what should be done is to ensure it does not happen again.

by gerber Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:51 pm

Didge wrote:
gerber wrote:Fellow posters, cut the bullshit.

the authorities were too PC to admit that anything was happening in their back yard.

Rotherham will not be the only town and police force to be in the meda.

Take note from Zack....................................... The community was not able to speak for various reasons.

This in not a racist post. But the people in charge were terrified of being labelled as such.

Why no compassion on here for the victims ?

All utterly irrelevant, countless people let the girls down starting from their own families to the authorities and again what should be done is to ensure it does not happen again.

Total twaddle.
many parents went to the police, some to the homes of the perpetrators. They themselves were arrested. As were the girls. Grow a set of and admit......

by Guest Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:55 pm

gerber wrote:
Didge wrote:

All utterly irrelevant, countless people let the girls down starting from their own families to the authorities and again what should be done is to ensure it does not happen again.

Total twaddle.
many parents went to the police, some to the homes of the perpetrators. They themselves were arrested. As were the girls. Grow a set of and admit......

Wow you are taking about a very few individuals, where the vast majority let their own children down, I suggest you read the report before making such absurd comments Gerber thus you as per usual are coming out with the twaddle, seems to be something you have inherited from sassy

by gerber Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:29 am

Didge wrote:
gerber wrote:

Total twaddle.
many parents went to the police, some to the homes of the perpetrators. They themselves were arrested. As were the girls. Grow a set of and admit......

Wow you are taking about a very few individuals, where the vast majority let their own children down, I suggest you read the report before making such absurd comments Gerber thus you as per usual are coming out with the twaddle, seems to be something you have inherited from sassy

This maybe ( Hopefully ) the last time we converse. You are so far up your own jacksy I am surprised you know what time of day it is........

You are the main cause of forum destruction.!

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:35 am

gerber wrote:
Didge wrote:

Wow you are taking about a very few individuals, where the vast majority let their own children down, I suggest you read the report before making such absurd comments Gerber thus you as per usual are coming out with the twaddle, seems to be something you have inherited from sassy

This maybe ( Hopefully ) the last time we converse. You are so far up your own jacksy I am surprised you know what time of day it is........

You are the main cause of forum destruction.!

Really, have you noticed there has hardly been any spats since sassy has gone, that is most telling.
The fact you are clueless to the fact many of these young girls were let down by their families right through to the authorities and anyone who has read the reports knows this and really could not give a care what you think of me being as you change your views as you change your friendships with people, where on flap all you ever did was slag off Muslims, to then come here and make a complete U_turn, that to me is being not truthful either to your views on flap, or your views here and as seen I am not the only one who has noticed Gerber, it shows you are a sheep to others and just follow them.

As I say, if you do not understand this report then that is your failing not mine and if you cannot be adult about it, again your issue not mine

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:29 am

victorisnotamused wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Don't try that shit with me Tommy.

I never said they were 'victims' of dishonour.

But you are very good at playing the victim card arnt you fuzz.......

I give you a post in another thread....

wahhhh...I'm the victim says Fuzz.....

"you is only criticising me cos I is Muslim" says Fuzz.....read it and see.....

Thank you
Reply with quote

Re: Why must we be......

Post by Fuzzy Zack on Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:54 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Manufactured consent by heightening the emotional side of the brain and suppressing the rational side.

Most of you won't appreciate the above statement - but you will one day. When you've calmed down. Lol!

bullshit Fuzz.....yours is the voice of the defeatist...or is it colaborator......

Lol!

You say bullshit but then go on to prove my point exactly.

Your emotional side is so heightened that you now think I'm a collaborator, just because I'm a Muslim.

That's why you're an idiot.

and my reply ......

no you wanker...i think you are a colaborator because of your words...i did offer you the alternative of defeatist...
there were a number of folks pre WWII who were all for a pacifist stance towards germany.......that didnt make them nazi's ..it did however make em pathetic cowards who would bend their knees to anything......

but no...poor old fuzzy is a "victim"....Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

I'm obviously agrivating you. To the point of stalking my post and being rude without any provocation.

My earlier post was correct. Point proved.

Calm down bruv, before you blow a fuse.

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:33 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Exactly victor, he tried that earlier by claiming that the wider rotherham Paki community suffered the shame and dishonour of it all as if they were the the victims somehow.

What a load of bullshit!!!

The ones who knew were complicit in The crimes and Just as guilty as all the others who covered it up.

Not victims, active participants in allowing it to happen and continue happening through their knowledge and subsequent inaction and silence.

Show me where I said they were victims?

D'UH!

You and Victor really need to stop taking your frustrations out on the only Paki in the forum.

[Victim card played - HA HA!]

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:35 am

gerber wrote:Fellow posters, cut the bullshit.

the authorities were too PC to admit that anything was happening in their back yard.

Rotherham will not be the only town and police force to be in the meda.

Take note from Zack....................................... The community was not able to speak for various reasons.

This in not a racist post. But the people in charge were terrified of being labelled as such.

Why no compassion on here for the victims ?

Because Gerber, they don't care about the Victims. Just the race of the criminals.

Classic bigot tactics.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:45 am

No, we care that the only reason nothing was done and there was widespread cover up happening was purely because of race/religion of perpetrators.

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:24 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:

But you are very good at playing the victim card arnt you fuzz.......

I give you a post in another thread....

wahhhh...I'm the victim says Fuzz.....

"you is only criticising me cos I is Muslim" says Fuzz.....read it and see.....

Thank you
Reply with quote

Re: Why must we be......

Post by Fuzzy Zack on Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:54 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Manufactured consent by heightening the emotional side of the brain and suppressing the rational side.

Most of you won't appreciate the above statement - but you will one day. When you've calmed down. Lol!

bullshit Fuzz.....yours is the voice of the defeatist...or is it colaborator......

Lol!

You say bullshit but then go on to prove my point exactly.

Your emotional side is so heightened that you now think I'm a collaborator, just because I'm a Muslim.

That's why you're an idiot.

and my reply ......

no you wanker...i think you are a colaborator because of your words...i did offer you the alternative of defeatist...
there were a number of folks pre WWII who were all for a pacifist stance towards germany.......that didnt make them nazi's ..it did however make em pathetic cowards who would bend their knees to anything......

but no...poor old fuzzy is a "victim"....Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

I'm obviously agrivating you. To the point of stalking my post and being rude without any provocation.

My earlier post was correct. Point proved.

Calm down bruv, before you blow a fuse.

blithering idiot you are fuzz....so posting referenced post and reply is now "stalking your post " is it
you wanna get something done about that chip on your shoulder and your incipient paranoia........

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:35 pm

and to didge and the rest of the nay-sayers here...

actually I DO care about the victims...not only here , but in bradford (remember them?) and all those as yet undiscovered....

BUT the failure is as much to do with weak kneed lefty politics and ball-less politicians, too scared to face the truth.

with reference to THIS issue, didge I dont give a damn about your statistics of how many "white" or green or whatever paedos there are out there (although that needs looking at.....)

What I do care about is the fact that this is the SECOND time at least, that we have gangs of men from a given cultural background, SPECIFICALLY AND DELIBERATELY TARGETING young girls of another cultural background, because ogf their "race/whatever" AND BEING IGNORED BY THE AUTHORITIES AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE AUTHORITIES because these authorities were afraid of the "race card" and/or were infested by compliant members of this guilty culture.....

in other words these creatures were given a different and preferential/more lenient treatment in law to the rest of the UK citizens

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:18 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:and to didge and the rest of the nay-sayers here...

actually I DO care about the victims...not only here , but in bradford (remember them?) and all those as yet undiscovered....

BUT the failure is as much to do with weak kneed lefty politics and ball-less politicians, too scared to face the truth.

with reference to THIS issue, didge I dont give a damn about your statistics of how many "white" or green or whatever paedos there are out there (although that needs looking at.....)

What I do care about is the fact that this is the SECOND time at least, that we have gangs of men from a given cultural background, SPECIFICALLY AND DELIBERATELY TARGETING young girls of another cultural background, because ogf their "race/whatever" AND BEING IGNORED BY THE AUTHORITIES AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE AUTHORITIES because these authorities were afraid of the "race card" and/or were infested by compliant members of this guilty culture.....

in other words these creatures were given a different and preferential/more lenient treatment in law to the rest of the UK citizens

Well lets read this again, you do not care about how many, you only care about sometime s that the ethnicity happens to be not white, is that what you are saying?

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:39 pm

Didge wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:and to didge and the rest of the nay-sayers here...

actually I DO care about the victims...not only here , but in bradford (remember them?) and all those as yet undiscovered....

BUT the failure is as much to do with weak kneed lefty politics and ball-less politicians, too scared to face the truth.

with reference to THIS issue, didge I dont give a damn about your statistics of how many "white" or green or whatever paedos there are out there (although that needs looking at.....)

What I do care about is the fact that this is the SECOND time at least, that we have gangs of men from a given cultural background, SPECIFICALLY AND DELIBERATELY TARGETING young girls of another cultural background, because ogf their "race/whatever" AND BEING IGNORED BY THE AUTHORITIES AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE AUTHORITIES because these authorities were afraid of the "race card" and/or were infested by compliant members of this guilty culture.....

in other words these creatures were given a different and preferential/more lenient treatment in law to the rest of the UK citizens

Well lets read this again, you do not care about how many, you only care about sometime s that the ethnicity happens to be not white, is that what you are saying?

well yes didge...DO read it again...since quite obviously you didnt before....

what part of "with reference to THIS issue" do you fail to understand? (and moreover do numbers matter anyway, since ANY number >0 is intolerable)

what part of (although that needs looking at ) do you fail to understand

ALL you are doing is weaving a blanket to pull over peoples eyes in exactly the same way as those morons in that authority....ANYTHING in the name of "social cohesion"
If you cant seperate what these gangs are doing from what is par for the course in the purveyors of this particular crime then you need your head looking at...

It is UNIQUE....one culture preying specifically on another because of the targets ethnicity....

you just cannot accept tis sordid fact...because it doesnt fit your world....

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:47 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well lets read this again, you do not care about how many, you only care about sometime s that the ethnicity happens to be not white, is that what you are saying?

well yes didge...DO read it again...since quite obviously you didnt before....

what part of "with reference to THIS issue" do you fail to understand? (and moreover do numbers matter anyway, since ANY number >0 is intolerable)

what part of (although that needs looking at ) do you fail to understand

ALL you are doing is weaving a blanket to pull over peoples eyes in exactly the same way as those morons in that authority....ANYTHING in the name of "social cohesion"
If you cant seperate what these gangs are doing from what is par for the course in the purveyors of this particular crime then you need your head looking at...

It is UNIQUE....one culture preying specifically on another because of the targets ethnicity....

you just cannot accept tis sordid fact...because it doesnt fit your world....

All irrelevant, you said you do not give a damn about the fact of he stats, that says to me, you are making this racial, where either all child sex abuse is wrong or you are selective dependent on the ethnicity of the offender, so which is it?

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:17 pm

Didge wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:

well yes didge...DO read it again...since quite obviously you didnt before....

what part of "with reference to THIS issue" do you fail to understand? (and moreover do numbers matter anyway, since ANY number >0 is intolerable)

what part of (although that needs looking at ) do you fail to understand

ALL you are doing is weaving a blanket to pull over peoples eyes in exactly the same way as those morons in that authority....ANYTHING in the name of "social cohesion"
If you cant seperate what these gangs are doing from what is par for the course in the purveyors of this particular crime then you need your head looking at...

It is UNIQUE....one culture preying specifically on another because of the targets ethnicity....

you just cannot accept tis sordid fact...because it doesnt fit your world....

All irrelevant, you said you do not give a damn about the fact of he stats, that says to me, you are making this racial, where either all child sex abuse is wrong or you are selective dependent on the ethnicity of the offender, so which is it?

dont be an arse and change the focus of the argument..naturally all child abuse is wrong...that doesnt even need saying....

however you cannot continue to sustain the argument that what theses gangs are doing IS NOT different to the 10'000s of other abuse cases...because it IS different....

you dont like that fact , wont admit you dont like it and wont even admit that the fact exists

but

these types of crime ARE UNIQUE...one culture preying on another BECAUSE of the targets etnicity....that has even been stated in the reoports into the two major cases this and the bradford gangs...the perps AND the authorities BOTH have said tghis is the case.....so.......

now are you going to argue that pertinat fact or are you going to stay in a state of denial and continue with your misleading and fatuous commentry?

Edit to add

furthermore the "racial" element cannot be discarded because it has been admitted that the wole thing was ALLOWED to continue unabated DUE TO THE PERPS CULTURAL BACKGROUND... (one law for them and one for us????)...thats a rhetorical question btw.....

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:24 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
Didge wrote:

All irrelevant, you said you do not give a damn about the fact of he stats, that says to me, you are making this racial, where either all child sex abuse is wrong or you are selective dependent on the ethnicity of the offender, so which is it?

dont be an arse and change the focus of the argument..naturally all child abuse is wrong...that doesnt even need saying....

however you cannot continue to sustain the argument that what theses gangs are doing IS NOT different to the 10'000s of other abuse cases...because it IS different....

you dont like that fact , wont admit you dont like it and wont even admit that the fact exists

but

these types of crime ARE UNIQUE...one culture preying on another BECAUSE of the targets etnicity....that has even been stated in the reoports into the two major cases this and the bradford gangs...the perps AND the authorities BOTH have said tghis is the case.....so.......

now are you going to argue that pertinat fact or are you going to stay in a state of denial and continue with your misleading and fatuous commentry?

Right so you argument is on culture, being as 30,000 have been convicted out of over 300,000 estimated child sex offenders and of those convicted 95% are white, thus European white culture, and thus there is not a problem with western cultures with this crime to you, using your logic here, or does this only apply to your disdain for ethnic groups?
To say unique is babble, child sex abuse is rampant, what is different is the methods used to abuse young people, not that people do not commit this crime.,What you are claiming is sheer racism victor, ignoring the fact that white people commit untold child sex abuse but making a claim that where that some do so in gangs is not how whites do so in this country blatantly ignoring the fact of pedophile rings.

So by your logic and on an enormous amount of numbers we have a massive cultural problem with white British people being child sex abusers?
So why is this a problem, you ignore culturally or cannot even explain it?

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:37 pm

Didge wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:

dont be an arse and change the focus of the argument..naturally all child abuse is wrong...that doesnt even need saying....

however you cannot continue to sustain the argument that what theses gangs are doing IS NOT different to the 10'000s of other abuse cases...because it IS different....

you dont like that fact , wont admit you dont like it and wont even admit that the fact exists

but

these types of crime ARE UNIQUE...one culture preying on another BECAUSE of the targets etnicity....that has even been stated in the reoports into the two major cases this and the bradford gangs...the perps AND the authorities BOTH have said tghis is the case.....so.......

now are you going to argue that pertinat fact or are you going to stay in a state of denial and continue with your misleading and fatuous commentry?

Right so you argument is on culture, being as 30,000 have been convicted out of over 300,000 estimated child sex offenders and of those convicted 95% are white, this European, is thus there not a problem with western cultures with this crime, using your logic here, or does this only apply to your disdain for ethnic groups?
To say unique is babble, child sex abuse is rampant, what is different is the methods used to abuse young people, ot that people do not commit this crime, what you are claiming is sheer racism victor, ignoring the fact that white people commit untold child sex abuse but making a claim that where that some do in gangs is not how whites do so in this country blatantly ignoring the fact of pedophile rings. (specifically targeting a given culture?...I dont think so...you really dont WANT to see do you didge) NOR can you do anything but put your head in the sand to hide from the admitted evidence in both the relevant cases...culture played a BIG, i would say pivotal part, both in choice of victim and how and why it was covered up, whitewashed and hidden.....

So by your logic and on enormous numbers we have a massive cultural problem with white British people being child sex abusers?

As I showed you before this level of offending is not a "british" problem, certainly the states are no better per head of population. you are merely using that as a deflection from the pertinant facts

do I really have to repeat them again?

So , why is this a problem, you ignore culturally or cannot even explain it?

by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:46 pm

Again babble victor, they are targeting children, you do not think they of those who are Pakistani do not target their own of which all the evidence proves this is the case that they actually do taregt Asian girls and black also, yes some have seen white children as easy prey, but you think this is all about ethnicity?
You are out of touch with reality here, because it is all about their vulnerability, which is the same for all victims and no doubt some have looked upon them with distain or even racism, but to claim this is a cultural aspect, when all child offenders target the vunerable and you cannot explain to me those massive amount of convicted offenders do so based on our culture but are happy to decide you know on a culture you know next to nothing about?

Can you see the contradiction in your post, as you know English people yet make no claim on why we have so many offenders, yet make claims to Pakistanis?

It is a British problem, 0.5% of he adult population, do the maths, of which again you wish to downplay, that is poor mate

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:15 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I'm obviously agrivating you. To the point of stalking my post and being rude without any provocation.

My earlier post was correct. Point proved.

Calm down bruv, before you blow a fuse.

blithering idiot you are fuzz....so posting referenced post and reply is now "stalking your post " is it
you wanna get something done about that chip on your shoulder and your incipient paranoia........

Take a deep breath and calm down. I'm not even trying and I'm winding you up.

by Guest Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:55 pm

Didge wrote:Again babble victor, they are targeting children, you do not think they of those who are Pakistani do not target their own of which all the evidence proves this is the case that they actually do taregt Asian girls and black also, yes some have seen white children as easy prey, but you think this is all about ethnicity?
#
Ok then clever dick...what %age of the girls targeted bt the bradford gangs were Muslim/asian or black???
what %age of the girls in rotherham were Muslim/asian or black

You are out of touch with reality here, because it is all about their vulnerability, which is the same for all victims and no doubt some have looked upon them with distain or even racism, but to claim this is a cultural aspect, when all child offenders target the vunerable and you cannot explain to me those massive amount of convicted offenders do so based on our culture but are happy to decide you know on a culture you know next to nothing about?

THIS type of crime( of one culture targeting another for sexual exploitation) IS, inescapably "all about ethnicity" menbers of these gangs in the past have admitted that they "preferentially target" "white western" girls...they have a "thing about them

Can you see the contradiction in your post, as you know English people yet make no claim on why we have so many offenders, yet make claims to Pakistanis?

It is a British problem, 0.5% of he adult population, do the maths, of which again you wish to downplay, that is poor mate

and NO its NOT a "british problem" the american figures are much the same as ours...moreover YOUR figure of 0.5% is a "pull figures out of the air" estimate by some minister/public servant with a vested interest in having "larger than life" figures.....

by Guest Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:37 pm

More stupidity from victor, if the American one is as bad as the British this further backs then a view then of a European cultural problem with child sex offending, and it does not matter if America is worse, the fact is we have a estimated 300,000 child sex offenders, that is staggering, around 0.5% of the adult population, of which you are now trying to down play. You see if you want to go down the illogical route of racial theories based on ethnic groups and cultures, then you have to look at your own of which you are now trying to diminish.

The reality is the biggest problem with child offenders is men.

by Guest Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:47 pm

The Lucy Faithful foundation said up to 20% of an estimated 320,000 suspected UK paedophiles are women. There is compelling evidence of a wide range and variety of child sex offences by women, alone or with a man.

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/one-in-five-child-sex-abusers-are-woman/

http://lucyfaithfull.org/

Nothing to do with public servants you donkey, thus with your logic the British culture is one of child sex offending.

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:59 am

Didge wrote:The Lucy Faithful foundation said up to 20% of an estimated 320,000 suspected UK paedophiles are women. There is compelling evidence of a wide range and variety of child sex offences by women, alone or with a man.

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/one-in-five-child-sex-abusers-are-woman/

http://lucyfaithfull.org/

Nothing to do with public servants you donkey, thus with your logic the British culture is one of child sex offending.

figures out of the air...the truth is the figure is UNKNOWN.........whilst not wishing to diminish the severity of the problem this is a figure pulled out of thin air by an organisation with a vested interest in inflating numbers...cynical...perhaps...but how else are they going to ensure their funding?

As to your constant (and wrong) assertion that this is then a "european" problem (since americas figures are similar to ours) Rubbish, there are vast areas where no accurate (even estimated) figures are available, for various reasons.....your logic is flawed and your methodology is poor.....however this isnt about "us" didge....and I guess we will have to agree to disagree me old mucker...

to those harping on about the victims, i suggest that the point of this discussion, is indeed no so much about them directly, but about the causes and what to do to prevent it happening again, (unlikely i know but....) What CAN we do about the present victims??? WE can do nothing for them in reality. Thats the stark truth of the matter, and so discussions such as didge and I have are important in their own little way, since there is a problem, not just with the individuals, or the cultures involved but with society as a whole. IF the problem is indeed a "european society" based one as Didge claims, then we need to look closely at what is making society turn inwards and eat itself (or what is allowing it to?) If it IS based on various cultural attitudes as I claim, then again we need to look at what can be done to correct this...."chucking em all out" aint a solution, and like it or not they are here to stay. So some reasonable solution is needed, what we need to do is IDENTIFY the causes, and the argument didge and I are having on this PARTICULAR type of crime, as opposed to paedophillia in general is EXACTLY that...we have to know for sure if the targeting of one culture by another is the cause or a symptom.

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:57 am

Again you miss the whole poit, you seem to claim a cultural aspect of one and not another which again would be absurd, Victor again we know of 30,000 convictions 95% being white, that is not insignificant but a fact and the reality is this is a vast amount of people connected to child sex offending even without the estimations which are based around many victims by the way, or did you not even contemplate this?

So what is your suggestion here Victor, cast blame to all the Asia community, or the Pakistani community? Seriously that would be absurd through guilt by association, where using your logic you would have to apply the same to this culture. To go o about methods is again one aspect of an overall type of crime, which you are trying to now make separate, which again would be absurd. I am not making any claims, I am using your absurd logic which as seen when you apply to our culture you try to defend

There certainly is a problem in society with many young girls having no place to turn to where families are letting them down and where are social services are failing which should be the first point of call to ensure they do not fall prey top being victims, that should be the first point of call. All claims should be investigated and not shrug off.

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:54 pm

Didge wrote:More stupidity from victor, if the American one is as bad as the British this further backs then a view then of a European cultural problem with child sex offending, and it does not matter if America is worse, the fact is we have a estimated 300,000 child sex offenders, that is staggering, around 0.5% of the adult population, of which you are now trying to down play. You see if you want to go down the illogical route of racial theories based on ethnic groups and cultures, then you have to look at your own of which you are now trying to diminish.
The reality is the biggest problem with child offenders is men.

I can't believe you are still spouting this bullshit Didge.

It is pure fantasy and not based on any facts whatsoever.

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:58 pm

Plus we also know that sex crimes are a big thing in The Brian community but goes mostly unreported for cultural 'honour' reasons.
Plus out of remaining cases, how many are actually white British?
As we know that white British are underrepresented in prisons, and many of The whites in there are foreigners.

And on top of that, your figures don't include all the thousands of Paki Muslims who have been getting away with child rapes and abuse on an industrial scale over the last 20 years.....

by gerber Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:37 pm

Seems only disagrees with the forum.

We must all be so very wrong, misinformed and ill read.

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:More stupidity from victor, if the American one is as bad as the British this further backs then a view then of a European cultural problem with child sex offending, and it does not matter if America is worse, the fact is we have a estimated 300,000 child sex offenders, that is staggering, around 0.5% of the adult population, of which you are now trying to down play. You see if you want to go down the illogical route of racial theories based on ethnic groups and cultures, then you have to look at your own of which you are now trying to diminish.
The reality is the biggest problem with child offenders is men.

I can't believe you are still spouting this bullshit Didge.

It is pure fantasy and not based on any facts whatsoever.

I know you are a little racist fuckwit, but I do present facts, the reality is there is a massive problem with child sex abuse in the country, 23,000 children each year being sexually abused is no small figure and this is not even near close to the actual amount, as this is only those who have come forward.
So what is your argument here, that all Pakistanis are child sex abusers or some of them?
If it is a cultural issue, why is it not the a cultural issue here, being as 30,000 convicted child sex abusers is again staggering let alone the estimation of over 300,000.
Is your view here now to cast all of a community whether white or Asian as possible child offenders?
So prey tell twatti, what do you think we should now do, cast all Pakistanis as guilty and place them all in jail?

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Plus we also know that sex crimes are a big thing in The Brian community but goes mostly unreported for cultural 'honour' reasons.
Plus out of remaining cases, how many are actually white British?
As we know that white British are underrepresented in prisons, and many of The whites in there are foreigners.

And on top of that, your figures don't include all the thousands of Paki Muslims who have been getting away with child rapes and abuse on an industrial scale over the last 20 years.....

28,000 to choose from ones documented so far, knock yourself out on how many are white

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:10 pm

Facts and figures about child abuse in the UK
Child abuse statistics for use by press and media

Police recorded over 23,000 sex offences against children aged under 18 years in England and Wales between April 2012 and March 2013.1
More than one in three children (34 per cent) who experienced contact sexual abuse by an adult did not tell anyone else about it.

Four out of five children (82.7 per cent) who experienced contact sexual abuse from a peer did not tell anyone else about it.2
In 2012/13, ChildLine counsellors dealt with 1.4 million contacts from children about various problems including, bullying, sexual abuse, violence and mental health issues.3
On average, every week in the UK at least one child is killed at the hands of another person.4
Children under one are more at risk of being killed at the hands of another person than any other age group in England and Wales.5
In 2012/13 NSPCC helpline advisors responded to nearly 51,000 contacts from adults concerned about a child. More than half of these were serious enough to warrant referral to local police or children's services for further investigation.6
Neglect is the most common reason for a child to be the subject of a child protection plan or on a child protection register in the UK.7
Neglect was a factor in 60 per cent of the 139 serious case reviews (where a child died or was seriously injured) published in England between 2009 and 2011.8
Between 2010/11 and 2011/12 nearly 26 million child abuse images were confiscated by the police.9
There are 29,837 offenders on the Sex Offenders Register for sexual offences against children.10
1 in 20 children in the UK have been sexually abused. 11
Police forces in England and Wales recorded over 28,000 cases of children running away from care in 2012.12

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-views/media-centre/key-information-for-journalists/facts-and-figures/Facts-and-figures_wda73664.html

Now lets just look at that figure 1 in 20 children Matti, do you know how many victims that is roughly?

The total population of boys and girls up the age of 14 is just over 11 million, which means alone i this age group 550,000 victims.

That is staggering and this is not even the total figure.

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:52 pm

Your first king is still fantasy.

YOur second link doesn't state whether caused by adults or by other children.

Or by Paki Muslims who have been allowed to carry on with impunity and not pursued by police and authorities for reasons of 'social cohesion'etc......

I estimate that there are 10,000 in rotherham alone.....

Multiply that by other towns and cities throughout the UK and We have an estimation of nearer 500,000......

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Your first king is still fantasy.
YOur second link doesn't state whether caused by adults or by other children.
Or by Paki Muslims who have been allowed to carry on with impunity and not pursued by police and authorities for reasons of 'social cohesion'etc......
I estimate that there are 10,000 in rotherham alone.....
Multiply that by other towns and cities throughout the UK and We have an estimation of nearer 500,000......

Never heard so many pathetic excuses in my life, you can go through each individual, hence my point knock yourself out, you have at least 28,000 there which is far from the total amount, so it is not my fault you are too lazy.
Dear me you want to quibble over a moot point on how many children are offenders?
So how do you come to the figure of 10,000, did you just pull that out of the hat?
It is laughable your second claim, which is basically the male adult population of Pakistanis and even more than the estimated number of child sex offenders, showing how out of touch with reality you are.

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:04 pm

The fallout from a report into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham continues to make headlines, as politicians including Nick Clegg and Theresa May call on the Police and Crime Commissioner for South Yorkshire to resign over what the report called “blatant” failures of leadership.

There’s been speculation about how prevalent the sexual grooming of children might be outside of Rotherham, and much discussion elsewhere about the fact that the majority of perpetrators there were described as ‘Asian’ by their victims.

The data is patchy; the ethnicity of abusers is not recorded as standard by police and other agencies, and those that do record it often use different categories. Additionally, concerns have been raised that authorities might be more likely to record the ethnicity of Asian suspects, or even to misrecord some suspects as being Asian.

Potential problems with the data

Information on the victims and perpetrators of sexual abuse is difficult to come by. An unknown number of offences remain undetected by the authorities, and where cases do come to light the characteristics of those involved are not always recorded or are recorded in unhelpful, or possibly even discriminatory ways.

The Office of the Children’s Commissioner (OCC) conducted an inquiry into child sexual exploitation in gangs and groups in England, which gives some detail on the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims.

We’ve summarised the findings of the OCC inquiry below, but there are a few caveats to bear in mind. In its interim report it noted a number of issues with recording practices:

…during site visits it was apparent that agencies frequently focused on the model of sexual exploitation identified in high profile cases such as those in Derby and Rochdale. Perpetrators, like victims, had similar individual characteristics to those featured in those cases. As a result this was the specific pattern of abuse professionals looked out for. They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were ‘Asian’ without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as ‘Asian’ but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators.

The report also identified similar tendencies when profiling victims, with professionals sometimes mistakenly characterising them as being predominantly white even when this wasn’t the case.

There’s also evidence to suggest that the data is skewed by a tendency of authorities to record the ethnicity of some groups more often than others – the OCC report also said that “it is evident that data are more proactively gathered on men and boys of Pakistani and Kurdish origin”.

And the recorded crimes might not reflect the nature of all the crimes that take place. As part of its research the OCC interviewed children and young people whose abusers had generally never been charged. It found what it called a “significant gap” between their experiences and recorded data.

That applies equally to details about the victims themselves – there’s some reason to suspect that children from minority ethnic backgrounds might be less likely to report abuse than White British children. This was a concern raised in the Rotherham report, which recommended greater engagement with Pakistani communities to help encourage victims to come forward.

Where records exist, between a quarter and half of groups of abusers are Asian

The OCC report looked at child sexual exploitation committed in England by gangs and other groups.

In both cases the exploitation involves children receiving something (including food, gifts, or affection) in exchange for sexual acts. In some cases, for example with the exchange of explicit photographs, this might not involve physical contact between the exploiter and his or her victim. There’s more detail on this in the NHS’s guide to recognising and dealing with child sexual exploitation.

Gangs are social groups of children and young people who are seen by themselves and others as belonging to a definite group, and who often engage in criminal activity. This criminal activity could include but is not limited to sexual exploitation. A group is two or more people associated with one another and who, in the context of this report, act to exploit children together. The Rotherham findings related to sexual exploitation more generally, and was not restricted to either gangs or groups.

Many aspects of the way sexual violence was enacted and experienced were similar whether perpetrated by gangs or groups, but the profile of the perpetrators and victims tended to be different. For instance, gang members tend to be younger.

It found that 36% of perpetrators of gang or group related sexual violence were white, 27% were asian, and 16% were of an undisclosed ethnicity. The majority of child victims of gang or group related sexual violence (60%) were recorded as “white”, with unknown making up the second largest category at 14%.

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) publishes more specific data on group-related grooming, although unlike the OCC report it’s based only on police data. According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups:

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.
24% of group-members were under 20, and 53% were between 20 and 30.
67% of the groups were of four or fewer men.
These cases had 144 identified victims, for whom ethnicity and age information was recorded:

97% were categorised as white.
3% of victims were aged 12 to 13, 57% were 14 to 15, and 40% were 16 to 17.
“Over half” of the victims were in local authority care.
It’s important to be cautious about interpreting these figures – the same kinds of issues identified in the OCC report may well apply to them.

https://fullfact.org/crime/sex_offender_asian_white_proportion_grooming_rotherham-34810

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:12 pm

Your convicted figure doesn't include all those Paki Muslims that have been getting away with it for years......

And considering that some of those children were caused by hundreds of different Paki Muslim men...... you do the maths..... then multiply it by many other towns and cities up and down the UK......

Now I estimate about 500,000.

How many do you thisl it might be....???

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Your convicted figure doesn't include all those Paki Muslims that have been getting away with it for years......
And considering that some of those children were caused by hundreds of different Paki Muslim men...... you do the maths..... then multiply it by many other towns and cities up and down the UK......
Now I estimate about 500,000.
How many do you thisl it might be....???

Hundreds to 500,000 is one hell of a leap of faith and sheer gobbledygook as seen, based on no evidence forth coming from you, in other words its complete bollocks, as seen current estimates of offenders is around 300,000.
That site shows those convicted, where thousands are not on there, which includes many white offenders, sorry to burst your bubble, where as seen many others are getting away with child sex abuse, lets give you the point again in regards to victims you have ignored.

1 in 20 children have been abused, way over half a million victims

I see you have failed to answer any of my points and as seen no report backs your estimations, where you have not stated what you wish to do based on your claims?

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:38 pm

Matti states:
Or by Paki Muslims who have been allowed to carry on with impunity and not pursued by police and authorities for reasons of 'social cohesion'etc......
I estimate that there are 10,000 in rotherham alone.....

Now how do I know this is horseshit and no doubt Matti has been reading EDL sites where there is a claim of 8000 being made from Rotherham, proves how thick some people are.

The population of Rotherham is 257,300, the percentage of this population that are Asian, which is a large group of different ethnicities is 3.47&, making the total Asian population of Rotherham at around just under 9,000. Taking into account we do ot know how many are Pakistani's, but for arguments sake, let us say it is all of them, around a sixth of this number will be children, leaving around 7,500 and half this again by the amount of Asia women, leaving around 3,500 men.

Proving Matti just pulled that number out of the hat and is going off the number of victims, not counting the fact these gangs known targeted the majority of these victims, thus no doubt around a hundren to two hundred possible offenders here, which is a more reasonable estimate, though it could be far smaller if they did this over so many years and like Jimmy Saville who alone abused around 600, so your methodology Matti is complete babble .

This is why I do not take you seriously Matti, you come out with bollocks all the time

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:04 pm

One of The children was raped and abused by hundreds of Paki Muslims.....

There were more than 1400 children from rotherham alone.

Multiply this by numerous other towns and cities across UK.......

How Paki Muslim child rapists do you think there are....???

10,000???

100,000???

500,000???

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:One of The children was raped and abused by hundreds of Paki Muslims.....
There were more than 1400 children from rotherham alone.
Multiply this by numerous other towns and cities across UK.......
How Paki Muslim child rapists do you think there are....???
10,000???
100,000???
500,000???

Again you are basing this on complete speculation, based off the amount of victims and now a claim to one of by hundreds, being as it would be impossible to be 10,000 as seen, it shows your methodology is complete bollocks, the most it could be, would be 3500, if of course you are claiming every male adult asian committed this crime, which of course as we know from the compilation of details made on the gangs is also complete bollocks
This is why I do not or many people do not take you serious, only a fuckwit would claim 10,000 Pakistani child rapists, when there is only around 3500 adult Asians living in the town.
There is no doubt there were Asian gangs working there, but to claim the amount you are, is just sheer stupidity on your part again with no evidence.
Suggest they take your qualification away for maths as you cannot even do basic maths.

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:23 pm

You are forgetting/ignoring the fact that It has been widely published that one of The children has said they were caused by "hundreds"of different Paki Muslim men.... plus the fact that most of these were bussed around to many other places, towns and cities totad abused by many many others.....

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:27 pm

Hundreds of people in South Yorkshire are currently under investigation for suspected involvement in child sexual exploitation, it has emerged.
Police have refused to say precisely how many suspects are being investigated - but have revealed the force currently has 173 ‘live’ investigations.
The number includes 32 probes in Rotherham, relating both to historic and current cases.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/hundreds-of-suspects-being-investigated-over-south-yorkshire-child-abuse-1-6811223

Well 32 and Matti claims 10,000, speaks volumes for his stupidity really.
Interesting it also says this:

He said: “Our recent cases have involved both female and male offenders and people from a wide range of different backgrounds including British, Pakistani and Roma Slovak.
“We will go wherever the evidence takes us. Equally we find the victims too can be from any background - there is no ‘typical victim’.”

Have also been reading about this and this is quote big and yet ot much news on it:

Police have charged two more men with child cruelty in connection with the North Wales care home abuse scandal in the 70s and 80s.
Kelvin Horriban, 62, from Beeston, Nottingham, and Keith Evans, 70, from Old Rhosrobin, Wrexham, have been charged in connection with the alleged offences committed against a young boy between 1978 and 1981.

A total of 21 people have now been arrested or interviewed under caution.
Of these a total of 11 people have been charged, with the remainder on bail pending further enquiries.
North Wales child sex abuse allegations: trial date set for six accused men
The number of people coming forward to report historical allegations of abuse in the care system in North Wales continues to increase.
Up to August 21, a total of 283 people have reported one or more allegations.
Police have said that 232 people are under active investigation, 56 of whom have been identified as potential suspects.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/north-wales-child-abuse-inquiry-7659247

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:00 pm

so didge...riddle me this

if you see the haedlines "care home paedo ring", one knows for certain that the victims will likely be of either sex, of any race, basically whatever was available

BUT

if you see the headline "asian grooming gang" one can be equally certain that the victims will be white young girls 10-14 years old???

well?

you are too busy sitting on your anti racist pedestal and blind to facts.

this is a unique crime within the crime of pederasty....

In fact in your haste YOU have "lumped all pakistanis together" as one whole group

if the facts are carefully looked at there are MANY "tribes" or ethnic groups in pakistan...
I think if you open your eyes a little you will find that teh perpetrators of this type of crime belong to one or two of these disparate groups in general. I think you will also find that the SAME groups are the ones MOST strident in their defense of FGM..I have repeatedly said this is a cultural issue...NOT a racial or religious one and you have been dumb enough to miss that....

by jaceylacey Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:10 pm

The difference between Asian grooming gangs and other forms of child abuse...is that these gangs think of any white females as white trash no matter how old they are.

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:18 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:so didge...riddle me this

if you see the haedlines "care home paedo ring", one knows for certain that the victims will likely be of either sex, of any race, basically whatever was available

BUT

if you see the headline "asian grooming gang" one can be equally certain that the victims will be white young girls 10-14 years old???

well?

you are too busy sitting on your anti racist pedestal and blind to facts.

this is a unique crime within the crime of pederasty....

In fact in your haste YOU have "lumped all pakistanis together" as one whole group

if the facts are carefully looked at there are MANY "tribes" or ethnic groups in pakistan...
I think if you open your eyes a little you will find that teh perpetrators of this type of crime belong to one or two of these disparate groups in general. I think you will also find that the SAME groups are the ones MOST strident in their defense of FGM..I have repeatedly said this is a cultural issue...NOT a racial or religious one and you have been dumb enough to miss that....

That made me giggle as yet another load of horsehit by Victor, show where I am making claims on Pakistani's? I never did, my view was based around countering your absurd view points and you again claim culture, which I never did I stated using your logic you should apply the same here but as seen and hypocritically you do not, even though over half a million children have been sexually abused. So again cannot wait for this claim of clubbing together you think I have, come on pops, I have you by your wheeny balls on this.

You are also quite ignorant of the victims also it seems.

From the report:

Issues of ethnicity related to child sexual exploitation have been discussed in other
reports, including the Home Affairs Select Committee report, and the report of the
Children’s Commissioner. Within the Council, we found no evidence of children’s
social care staff being influenced by concerns about the ethnic origins of suspected
perpetrators when dealing with individual child protection cases, including CSE. In
the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that
messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were
to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared
to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be
interpreted as 'racist'. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public
discussion of the issues was ill judged.
There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as
elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the
Pakistani-heritage community. The Inquiry spoke to several Pakistani-heritage
women who felt disenfranchised by this and thought it was a barrier to people coming
forward to talk about CSE. Others believed there was wholesale denial of the problem
in the Pakistani-heritage community in the same way that other forms of abuse were
ignored. Representatives of women's groups were frustrated that interpretations of
the Borough's problems with CSE were often based on an assumption that similar
abuse did not take place in their own community and therefore concentrated mainly
on young white girls.
Both women and men from the community voiced strong concern that other than two
meetings in 2011, there had been no direct engagement with them about CSE over the
past 15 years, and this needed to be addressed urgently, rather than 'tiptoeing'
around the issue.

Census information from 2011 showed that Rotherham had nearly 8000 people with
Pakistani or Kashmiri ethnicity, or 3.1% of the Borough population, an increase from
2% in the previous census. 77% of this population lived in one of three central wards
of Rotherham. There are eight mosques in Rotherham. There were few references in
any minutes to ethnic minorities or migrant families until 2006, when concern was
raised at the Safeguarding Board about the living conditions of migrant families.
Young people were thought to be at risk of physical or sexual abuse for a variety of
reasons. Some had been separated from their own families. There were also issues
of poverty, forced marriage and child abduction. In the early months of 2005, twelve
cases of forced marriage had been dealt with in Rotherham - the highest in the South
Yorkshire Police area. Of particular concern was the young age of many of the girls
involved.
11.2 As has been stated many times before, there is no simple link between race and
child sexual exploitation, and across the UK the greatest numbers of perpetrators of
CSE are white men. The second largest category, according to the Children's
Commissioner's report, are those from a minority ethnic background, particularly those recorded as 'Asian'. In Rotherham, the majority of known perpetrators were of
Pakistani heritage including the five men convicted in 2010. The file reading carried
out by the Inquiry also confirmed that the ethnic origin of many perpetrators was
‘Asian’. In one major case in the mid-2000s, the convicted perpetrator was Afghan.
Latterly, some child victims of CSE and some perpetrators had originated from the
Roma Slovak community, with a steady increase in the number of child protection
cases involving Roma children, though mainly in the category of neglect. Work with
Roma families was one of the six priorities of the Child Sexual Exploitation sub-group
of the Safeguarding Board in 2012. The Roma population in Rotherham was
proportionately much larger than in bigger areas such as Bradford and Manchester.
11.3 By March 2012, the child protection profile was showing that Rotherham had more
than double the English average for Roma Slovak families being referred under
Section 47 of the Children Act 1989.

You were saying and I cannot wait until you admit your error on claiming I am clubbing all Pakistani's together where I made no claims onto them, and I am well aware of may ethic groups there pops, you always shoot your load to quickly

by Guest Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:23 pm

The extraordinary story of Ruzwana Bashir: the Oxford-educated entrepreneur brought up in a British-Pakistani community shares her own story to tear down the wall of silence around the exploitation of Asian girls

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir

by Fuzzy Zack Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:31 pm

Panorama NOW

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:26 pm

I thought it was only a third of the children were involved with social services care.....

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