Rotherham abuse enquiry

Tommy Monk wrote:Systematic widespread cover up across council and leaders, social services and police.


They all knew but did fuck all, in fact reports were suppressed and crimes downplayed because perpetrators were overwhelmingly Pakis for 'social cohesion'.


I want criminal proceedings against those responsible for cover up.



As well as those who carried out these crimes being hunted down.



The wanker who was in charge of children's services is now police crime commissioner in north Yorkshire.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Systematic widespread cover up across council and leaders, social services and police.


They all knew but did fuck all, in fact reports were suppressed and crimes downplayed because perpetrators were overwhelmingly Pakis for 'social cohesion'.


I want criminal proceedings against those responsible for cover up.



As well as those who carried out these crimes being hunted down.



The wanker who was in charge of children's services is now police crime commissioner in north Yorkshire.

So, what's your solution?

veya_victaous wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

So, what's your solution?

carpet bombing...  
Damn Evil Rotherham, it probably all of England, And I cant hear any one condemn it. (I don't care if you do, you are not real Englishmen because Real Englishmen aren't condemning it ) because their parliament and BBC tell them to do this.
they voted in these councils that let this happen there for they are all equally to blame. So damn the Geneva convention !!!!

 Much Sarcasm above  

Seriously though,  Evil is in any race or creed... SO stop chasing bogey men and start stopping ACTUAL CRIMINALS.

Irn Bru wrote:This is absolutely shocking and a scandal on an epic scale and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the nation including the Muslim population condemn this out of hand.
But it raises wider questions in what has happened to our society where our children are able to fall into the hands of these evil creatures. I'm not sure whether the abused kids were under the care of the council or homeless runaways or just children from parents who don't care what their kids are up to when they are out but one thing is sure and that is that as a society who prides themselves as being one of the most advanced in the modern world we should be asking deeper questions into how this could be allowed to happen in this day and age and why.
Its not good enough to just punish those who committed these evil acts we also need to find out and punish every single person who failed in their responsibility to look after all these kids.
It's shameful

Eilzel wrote:It is just the few tommy, or are you saying it isn't and this is most Muslims? Don't duck the question, say what you think, grow a pair.

Agree with all those above saying all those guilty of allowing this to happen should be punished, big time, not jusy dismissed but facing criminal charges.

If fears for social cohesion were the reason this was covered up then I'm afraid those people are all guilty too of gross stupidity, this discovery will do even more damage and feed the racists out there- social cohesion will never be able to succeed fully with racists jumping to use tragedies like this, and disgusting minorities within the Muslim community giving them ammunition.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Systematic widespread cover up across council and leaders, social services and police.
They all knew but did fuck all, in fact reports were suppressed and crimes downplayed because perpetrators were overwhelmingly Pakis for 'social cohesion'.
I want criminal proceedings against those responsible for cover up.
As well as those who carried out these crimes being hunted down.
The wanker who was in charge of children's services is now police crime commissioner in north Yorkshire.

So, what's your solution?

Irn Bru wrote:This is absolutely shocking and a scandal on an epic scale and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the nation including the Muslim population condemn this out of hand.
But it raises wider questions in what has happened to our society where our children are able to fall into the hands of these evil creatures. I'm not sure whether the abused kids were under the care of the council or homeless runaways or just children from parents who don't care what their kids are up to when they are out but one thing is sure and that is that as a society who prides themselves as being one of the most advanced in the modern world we should be asking deeper questions into how this could be allowed to happen in this day and age and why.
Its not good enough to just punish those who committed these evil acts we also need to find out and punish every single person who failed in their responsibility to look after all these kids.
It's shameful

For our vast list of UK female abusers – click the drop down menu on the right and click female abusers – where we have listed 276 to date.

There is a real lack of understanding by society on female paedophilia. Although a large % of child abusers are male, it would be right to say that more women are committing sexual offences than ‘official’ statistics show us

By its very nature the true picture of child abuse is unclear. But with women perpetrators it’s even more so. Convictions are thin on the ground and some believe the issue is an unhelpful distraction from the bigger problem.

We have always thought of the female as being the carer, the bringer-upper and the safety mechanism for children. So when woman do offend we as a society fail to take it as seriously as we should

Marie Raison (pictured below) was pregnant when she sexually abused a nine-month-old baby and a five-year-old girl to please a man she had never met – She was jailed for six years – For more on this case click this link

The Lucy Faithful foundation said up to 20% of an estimated 320,000 suspected UK paedophiles are women. There is compelling evidence of a wide range and variety of child sex offences by women, alone or with a man

Female offending is often more sadistic than male offending and tends to last for a longer time. What is agreed is all offenders require two key elements – access and opportunity and given that females usually are the primary carers of children, they have both in abundance

Female offences against teenagers (hebophiles rather than paedophiles) are more of a mystery because victims don’t come forward, partly because in a patriarchal society boys are even expected to enjoy that kind of abuse, and not admit how scared they are by it.

Audrey Elizabeth Beck (pictured below) a championship dog breeder, was jailed for a year after admitting a series of sex attacks on two boys dating back more than 20 years. 

Beck, from Co Antrim, was also told to serve three years on probation on her release after pleading guilty to 14 charges of indecently assaulting one of the boys when he was aged between 10 and 11 and seven similar offences against another boy when he was aged between 12 and 14. More on this case click this

Some believe that society’s different attitude to women offenders is reflected in the language of the media reporting it. They point out that teachers “seduce” pupils if they are female but “sexually assault” if male.

Greater awareness is needed over female abusers and that needs to filter down from law enforcement to sentencing and front-line social care

A FEMALE nursery school worker who engaged in sexual acts with children has been sentenced to two years in prison

Jane Voss (pictured above) had made 17 photographs of herself engaging in sexual activity with two children aged six and 11 which she then sent to a notorious paedophile based in Thailand. Click this link

Stranger attacks by women hardly exist, so most female paedophiles are winning the trust of children first and either have a position of care working with children like a babysitter or they are a relative

TEACHING assistant Rachel Peters (pictured below) who sexually abused a 13-year-old boy was jailed for more than three years. Click this link

Colin never knew innocence as a child. His earliest memories are of his mother sexually abusing him. In the bath, in his bed and in the night. Until he was 13.

Twenty years later, after a young life derailed by truancy, drugs and violence, he is still deeply affected by what he says happened.

“It’s only now that I realise the impact it has had on me. From the age of 14, as soon as it got dark I would have panic attacks and that fuelled my drug-taking because doing it, I felt safe again.

“I couldn’t sleep at night and I’d get flashbacks of my mum on top of me. I couldn’t hold down a job and I was scared of girls.”

The fact the perpetrator was the person who gave birth to him made it harder for him to identify and accept it as abuse, he believes.

“I found it hard to even say it was sexual abuse because of the way society views mothers, and quite rightly – 99% are loving but I was just unlucky to get one that wasn’t.

“That’s what stopped me from getting help for a long time. I couldn’t even acknowledge it myself and there was a worry about being believed and speaking out against my mother. I felt like I was doing something wrong.”

A Teesside woman who had sex almost 200 times with a 12-year-old boy has been jailed for nine years. Angela Sullivan gave the boy a pair of trainers as a reward when he slept with her for the 100th time.

The 36-year-old mother admitted 10 specimen charges of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Click this link 

It’s a comment on how society views paedophilia today that the most shocking aspect of Colin’s story is not the sexual abuse itself, but the fact the perpetrator was female.

Over the years we’ve had lots of men abused by mothers, sisters, aunties and baby sitters. It’s hard enough for adult men to admit being abused as a child but to admit to being abused by a woman is even harder because it challenges their masculinity, it challenges their sexuality.

Women can commit a wide range of sexual offences including rape. And their victims commonly experience sexual confusion and a fear of intimacy. Anger can manifest itself as violence towards a wife or girlfriend in later life.

A former tutor labelled a ‘predatory paedophile’ by detectives has been handed a indeterminate prison sentence after she admitted sexually abusing young children. Carol Clarke was convicted of indecent assaults on children before 1992 and sexual assault on girls under 13 in 2008. Click this link

After a week in which Britain was shocked by two more cases involving female teachers , we explain how most female paedophiles or child abusers either go unpunished or escape with lenient sentences

One teenage boy told of his three year ordeal at the hands of his abuser – 34 year old Nicola Ward (pictured below)

The boy – Now 16 years old – said: “She was funny and intelligent. She used all these posh words and came across as really well spoken”

“But she would switch after she had a drink or took drugs. she became a different person”

The schoolboy said the abuse began when he was just 12 years old. Ward plied him with cocaine and then performed a sex act.

It was the start of a campaign in which she would corner the lad and coerce him into sex acts with her

Ward, 34 of Worksop, Notts was arrested last April after the boys father became suspicious.

Ward was jailed for eight years by Nottingham crown court after admitting sexual activity with a child and supplying drugs

Ward jailed in January, was sent to Peterborough prison – making her one of an estimated 100 female child abusers behind bars. She was moved to a low security psychiatric unit in July

Her victim is still having therapy to help him come to terms with the sex attacks. He said: “I never thought a woman was capable of something like this”

However ward is far from a unique case

One of the most infamous cases in the UK was in 2009 at little Teds nursery in Plymouth. Parents trusted nursery worker Vanessa George with their children. She was described as an “angel” and a “second mother”

But the mother of two was secretly part of an on-line paedophile ring – sending pictures of herself molesting children in her care to fellow pervert Colin Blanchard.

Click this for Vanessa George – Police interview

In December 2009 George was given an indeterminate sentence. She must serve a minimum of seven years and not to be released until she is no longer a threat to children. There was also three other female paedophile ring members – all who were also jailed. 

Tracy Lyons and Tray Dawber have already been released and Angela Allen will be released THIS YEAR. Vanessa George will be considered for her release in 2016

Click this for complete story of Colin Blanchard Paedophile ring

THIS week there were two court cases involving female teachers who were accused of seducing pupils. Lesbian PE teacher Emily Fox, 26 (pictured below) pleaded guilty to four counts of sexual activity with a 15 year old pupil

For more on that case click this link

Meanwhile, also this week teaching assistant Elaine McKay, 58 (pictured below) admitted sending a string of explicit photos of herself with a cucumber. She was however cleared of a further charge of having sex with the boy after McKay claimed he had lied.

Click this link for more on that case

Divorced mother of two Karen Ackland, 44, (pictured below) got a suspended sentence last week after admitting sexual activity with a child. She attacked her 14 year old victim after a party at his home. His mum offered Ackland a bed for the night because she had been drinking. However she pounced on the boy as he got ready to goto bed. Ackland was caught when the lads older brother heard noises.

The victims mum said she was furious at the sentence given to Ackland

Click this for more on that case

Two mums who took part in the sexual abuse of their children with paedophile Lost Prophets singer Ian Watkins (pictured below) were caged last year. One of the vile woman, who let the singer attempt to rape her baby, was jailed for 14 years

The second woman, who obeyed Watkins instructions to abuse her child, was given a 17-year sentence. 

For: Ian Watkins: Judges sentencing remarks: minus Defence/Prosecution remarks – Be warned does contain graphic details of the offences click this link

In June this year Chantelle Goatley of Newbury, a housewife who groomed under-age boys for sex by plying them with alcohol and letting them smoke cannabis at her house was sent to prison for over 4 years – For more on that case click this link

Tommy Monk wrote:Les multiply this conservative figure of 1400 by the hundreds of different men who raped them then consider that this was just the children in Rotherham..... so consider that this has been happening to other children from towns and cities over the rest of The UK.


It's hardly a few now is it.....



And don't even try to excuse the cover up.

victorisnotamused wrote:Notice once again which political leanings watch this happened under...

Now clearly if they were too "scared" to act over this abuse which occured on a biblical scale then what chance do you think we have that the lefties will have ANY interest in stopping these so called jihadist return from the hell hole of the middle east???

they wont do a damn thing because it will "upset" some group or other

moral cowards....

can you immagine what would have happened if the falklands had kicked off under labours watch...they would have surrenedered immediately.....

Eilzel wrote:In fairness victor Labour started wars with two Islamic enemies (The Taliban and Saddam) and introduced many anti-terror laws during their 13 year term in parliament.

^tommy, I simply want to know what you when you mimic 'only a few'. Of course the numbers involved are far too high, and no one says its only 'a few', we simply point out it is a 'minority' of Muslims; whereas your constant exclamation packed rants infer you think (or want people to think) most are guilty. They aren't but that isn't the sane as saying there isn't a lot doing this.

And again I'm not excusing those who covered it up, what part of that are you too pig stupid enough to understand?

Those who ignored what was going on were well in the wrong and should be charged. But the reason PC has become embedded in the first place HAS to be addressed. And fact it is it because the EDL and BNP and their likes are so prolific in their racism and xenophobia that people fear being associated with them and what they stand for.

That IS NOT excusing anything. The horrific nature of the crimes should easily have overcome any fear of disturbing cohesion by all sensible standards. So no it isn't an excuse; but until some people start realizing the reason PC has risen to begin with is due to bigotey in parts of our society then sadly I fear things like this may continue happening...

Tommy Monk wrote:Paki is short for Pakistani just like Aussie is short for Australian.
But you are happy to call Scottish people 'stupid jock'!!!!
And you try to pull the moral high ground here with me you bloody hypocrite!!!
And dodge, you are ignoring the deliberate and complicity cover up in these crimes, as well as the racial evendmt involved when in all other cases action would have been taken and perpetrators swiftly hunted down and brought before the courts to face justice.

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:In fairness victor Labour started wars with two Islamic enemies (The Taliban and Saddam)

Yes...and you have no idea of the reason why.....one clue only...operation ore....


and introduced many anti-terror laws during their 13 year term in parliament.

yes but only where those laws were "convenient and had a disproportionate effect on peacefull majority....where they allowed intrusive surveilance (remember the "bin spy" idiocy?? and local councils using those powers to spy on parents who might have been trying to get their children into a school in the "wrong" catchment area?)


^tommy, I simply want to know what you when you mimic 'only a few'. Of course the numbers involved are far too high, and no one says its only 'a few', we simply point out it is a 'minority' of Muslims; whereas your constant exclamation packed rants infer you think (or want people to think) most are guilty. They aren't but that isn't the sane as saying there isn't a lot doing this.

And again I'm not excusing those who covered it up, what part of that are you too pig stupid enough to understand?

Those who ignored what was going on were well in the wrong and should be charged. But the reason PC has become embedded in the first place HAS to be addressed. And fact it is it because the EDL and BNP and their likes are so prolific in their racism and xenophobia that people fear being associated with them and what they stand for.

That IS NOT excusing anything. The horrific nature of the crimes should easily have overcome any fear of disturbing cohesion by all sensible standards. So no it isn't an excuse; but until some people start realizing the reason PC has risen to begin with is due to bigotey in parts of our society then sadly I fear things like this may continue happening...

It will keep happening untill the left grow a pair

+1

Didge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Paki is short for Pakistani just like Aussie is short for Australian.
But you are happy to call Scottish people 'stupid jock'!!!!
And you try to pull the moral high ground here with me you bloody hypocrite!!!
And dodge, you are ignoring the deliberate and complicity cover up in these crimes, as well as the racial evendmt involved when in all other cases action would have been taken and perpetrators swiftly hunted down and brought before the courts to face justice.

No it is a derogative racist term and only racists refer to them as Pakis, as you do proving your racism again
The black watch are referred to and proud of calling themselves Jocks, are you saying they are now racist?
Jock is a nickname for Jon by many scots, are they being racist.
I myself have been called a paddy,

"a mad mick " would be nearer    

because of my Irish ethnicity, I do not claim racism, because it is a fun reference, but Pakis is a racist term used by racists like yourself, exposing you  
Nobody has ignored anything where all have agreed it was wrong, so you are just using that to excuse your racism, which is what this was always really about

victorisnotamused wrote:

Didge wrote:

No it is a derogative racist term and only racists refer to them as Pakis, as you do proving your racism again
The black watch are referred to and proud of calling themselves Jocks, are you saying they are now racist?
Jock is a nickname for Jon by many scots, are they being racist.
I myself have been called a paddy,



because of my Irish ethnicity, I do not claim racism, because it is a fun reference, but Pakis is a racist term used by racists like yourself, exposing you  
Nobody has ignored anything where all have agreed it was wrong, so you are just using that to excuse your racism, which is what this was always really about

"a mad mick " would be nearer    

Eilzel wrote:Victor you too are ignoring why PC exists to have gotten so bad to begin with. As for Labour's wars, of course oil was a factor but you can hardly claim they are scared of offending Muslims when they were responsible for the murder of thousands at war.

Eilzel wrote:Victor you too are ignoring why PC exists to have gotten so bad to begin with. As for Labour's wars, of course oil was a factor but you can hardly claim they are scared of offending Muslims when they were responsible for the murder of thousands at war.

Eilzel wrote:Victor you too are ignoring why PC exists to have gotten so bad to begin with. As for Labour's wars, of course oil was a factor nothing to do with oil...operation ore but you can hardly claim they are scared of offending Muslims when they were responsible for the murder of thousands at war.

victorisnotamused wrote:I recon you are ALL missing the point..

Tommy with his inbuilt "paki radar"

and didge and the rest with their rush to excuse/explian away/minimalise the racial aspect of it

when the plain truth is there for all to see

It IS a "racial issue"....not because the perps were almost singularly Muslim...

BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT, indeed covered up for............BECAUSE THEY WERE Muslims and the gutless authorities were scared of them....not without cause is suppose since we all know what happens if you upset them..........

No other group (as opposed to individulas) has been able to get away with such crimes for such a prolonged
period with the blessing of the authorities

Tommy Monk wrote:More deflection from dodge.
I want to see all those involved in rotherham hunted down and prosecuted including those involved in covering this all up.

Didge wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:I recon you are ALL missing the point..

Tommy with his inbuilt "paki radar"

and didge and the rest with their rush to excuse/explian away/minimalise the racial aspect of it

when the plain truth is there for all to see

It IS a "racial issue"....not because the perps were almost singularly Muslim...

BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT, indeed covered up for............BECAUSE THEY WERE Muslims and the gutless authorities were scared of them....not without cause is suppose since we all know what happens if you upset them..........

No other group (as opposed to individulas) has been able to get away with such crimes for such a prolonged
period with the blessing of the authorities

Except of course the clergy for decades.

Except of course we cant go beack many decades, since the understanding of how children relate to truth wasnt around not so very long ago...
It used to be assumed that children would lie at the drop of a hat and against a clergyman's word there was no chance...changes in understandin have negated that.
Moreover in recent decades the church itself "as an authority" of sorts ensured that people kept shtum...with threats and browbeating...


Except of course celebrities for decades.

Again much of the above applies along with the additional problem that many "celebs" had direct acces to govt figures and were powerful individuals (because of their wealth)
Also thes were not a "group" in general...more powerful predatory individuals   a different matter.


Except of course Politicians for decades.
hmmm...again much of the first comment applies here, with the even worse factor that these people were in charge of things and could call the shots..they had REAL power ofver people plus the ability to make evidence "dissapear" It is a different kettle of fish when the authority that should be doing the chasing is the same as the one doing the wrong..


How as seen women are hardly convicted yet estimates place around 60,000 offenders
this is a relatively new phenomena as far as being known is concerned....and much less likely to be reported.....not relevant to this argument...

the fact remain that this was covered up because...and soley because, the perps were Muslim.....just as in bradford...by chicken livered lefties


How only 10% of offenders of 300,000 have been convicted
Your argument is selective to a massive problem overall Victor where as seen there has been many cover ups, not just in this instance, where again people are using this to make a racial issue.
The reality is yes there are Pakistani offenders, just as there are English, Scottish, etc, yet people use such situations to then cast a fear onto a whole community, your view is to then show only a view to perceive all Pakistanis as potential sex offenders, where no doubt being as around 95% of offenders are white you then take away a massive issue of the whole problem taking the heat of this group of offenders. Each case should be taken for what it is and the description of the offender with no excuse not to prosecute, which is the point here, not a reason to claim a cultural problem, when as seen if that is your argument, then clearly the British culture has had a massive problem for years which nobody is recognising