Warning, contains things that might upset you. Netanyahu boasting about Manipulating America and derailing Oslo peace process

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:The image is sick and disgusting and but I've seen a lot worse in British Newspapers and on our television sets of bulldozers shoving hundreds of near skeletons of human beings being shoved into mass graves when places like Belsen concentration camp was discovered and what had been going on. Film of people lined up in a line alongside open tips being shot in the head and falling into a mass graves.
The BBC series World at War showed us all that and it's images and film like that that made the world aware of the Holocaust and the injustice against the Jews, the Gypsies and the miscreants.
There appears to be more outrage at the member who posted the picture than there is against the people that committed the awful act that caused that to happen to that child because I really don't see much evidence of that. And I also didn't see any condemnation of those who gather on a hillside just outside Gaza to watch and cheer as the missiles fly in.

You wanted proof Irn, here is your proof trying to downplay what Sassy posted.
Thus you are directing away blame or fault
It is either wrong to post without a warning or it is fine, it can only be one way or the other and here you even state it should have had a warning but do not tell sassy she should have used one.
Conclusion
Biased

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Good grief, you really are good at fooling some people with nonsense like that. You describing the illegal settlements as something being built by wildcatters all in defiance of the Israeli government were something you were trying to pass off to Veya as the reason why they were being built.  I just joined that discussion after that by trying to explain to you that it had been the policy of the Israeli government to build these illegal settlements for over 40 years and it was part of their wider policy to continue with it. I even gave you the words that came right out of the mouth of Benjamin Netanyahu who said...

"The message is clear: we are here and will remain here. The settlement blocs are an indisputable part of Israel forever.

"This is acceptable to the great majority of Israel's citizens and is gradually being instilled in international consciousness."

And the statements by the Israeli minister about concentration camps in Gaza were not something that was written in private letters written by someone serving in the military. They were said by a minister in the Israeli government and they very detailed at that and they were published in the press. Here’s a reminder...

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/columns/moshe-feiglin/my-gaza-solution/2014/07/23/

Hardly an off the cuff remark that would be looked back on later as something later to be regretted, is it?

Half arguments, half-truths!!!. Yes Quill, you’re right and it’s what you do best because there is no conspiracy going on, you just make out there is as shown in the remainder of your post.

Yes, half-arguments and half-truths, Irn.  You cry about the occupied lands, yet not a word about why.  The following tells the whole story (thanks to Didge):



Now, with Hamas/Gaza lighting off 1,300 missiles from the south, explain to me again about settlements.  It's nonsense...and you don't even know enough to state who is building settlements.  Certainly not the Israeli government.

The reason why Israel must hold those lands has been clear since 1967.  It's just good military judgment.  Yet that's the "half" you don't want to acknowledge: half-truths, half-arguments and half the picture.

Here's the other half: If the Islamic states would give up in their demand to wipe Israel off the map, we wouldn't need military plans and military solutions.  Oppps...duck, here comes another missile from Hamas.

This is precisely what I mean about half-truths, half-arguments, and half a picture.

Irn Bru wrote:

Nems wrote:In my opinion Edds wasnt referring to a single incident but a pattern of behaviour over a period of time. The pattern being you always back Sassy without question no matter how appalling her behaviour.
Either that or you lie low until a ruck dies down and then bump other threads up the board.
As I previously said you do her no favours. We all know she gets preferential treatment - dont rub our noses in it.   

I'm sure Eds can speak for herself but I'll take you up on what you say. Give me an example where I have backed Sassy and where I have been wrong to do so?

This is just another example of the nonsense that has been going on for almost two years about a Sassy posse rubbish and now you are coming out with even more rubbish that I lie low until a ruck dies down.

Sorry, I have more to do with my time at the moment than spend it on here throughout the day and half the night and I'll post when I can.

Is that ok with you?

Sassy wrote:So you don't believe in being polite when someone is dealing with something for you because it affects their site as well?

BTW, I did notice you 'defending' me, however I should not have needed defending, the thread should have been locked, it's no-one's business why I can't go but at least it gave Nems a chance for a laugh, with really showed her up as she knows the truth.

Sassy wrote:

Shady wrote:

Sassy wrote:I'm not denying it.   It's my money, and your money and Harvesmum's money etc that is being used to do that.   Unless we all speak up and demand it stops, our money will carry on helping that to happen.

Good afternoon Sassy.

So you posted a sad picture.You spoke up.And you demanded that it stops.

And millions of other people have done the same.

Guess what.It's still going on.

Yep, Vietnam carried on until enough people protested for long enough and tv viewers began to see what was really happening.

Nems wrote:Its simple, that photograph should not have been put on this site, There is no justification whatsoever. It showed an appalling lack of judgement. If any one else had upset and offended people like that they would have been taken to task. Because it was Sassy it gets minimised excused and explained away.  

Irn Bru wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yep, Vietnam carried on until enough people protested for long enough and tv viewers began to see what was really happening.

Correct and much of it inspired by the The Girl in the Picture: The Story of Kim Phuc, the 9 year old Vietnamese girl.

On June 8, 1972, nine-year-old Kim Phuc, severely burned by napalm, ran from her blazing village in South Vietnam and into the eye of history. Her photograph-one of the most unforgettable images of the twentieth century-was seen around the world and helped turn public opinion against the Vietnam War.

http://www.abebooks.com/9780140280210/Girl-Picture-Story-Kim-Phuc-0140280219/plp

That was the Photograph and an ITN Newscaster also caught the moment on video as well and that just goes to show that when the world at large is outraged by what it sees and it is strong enough then it can in fact help to bring about change.

scrat wrote:

Nems wrote:Its simple, that photograph should not have been put on this site, There is no justification whatsoever. It showed an appalling lack of judgement. If any one else had upset and offended people like that they would have been taken to task. Because it was Sassy it gets minimised excused and explained away.  

If you're the same Nems that posts on flapfix, I did not hear your outrage at kaks postings of body parts and intestines etc, obviously you fear upsetting him and yet you spend an inordinate amount of time wanting to upset Sassy, why is that?

Irn Bru wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, half-arguments and half-truths, Irn.  You cry about the occupied lands, yet not a word about why.  The following tells the whole story (thanks to Didge):



Now, with Hamas/Gaza lighting off 1,300 missiles from the south, explain to me again about settlements.  It's nonsense...and you don't even know enough to state who is building settlements.  Certainly not the Israeli government.

The reason why Israel must hold those lands has been clear since 1967.  It's just good military judgment.  Yet that's the "half" you don't want to acknowledge: half-truths, half-arguments and half the picture.

Here's the other half: If the Islamic states would give up in their demand to wipe Israel off the map, we wouldn't need military plans and military solutions.  Oppps...duck, here comes another missile from Hamas.

This is precisely what I mean about half-truths, half-arguments, and half a picture.

I've explained to you why, Quill. They want the land for themselves and all at the expulsion of the Palestinian population not as a military buffer zone. You see, that's where your argument falls down because if it was a buffer zone between the Israeli settlements and the Palestinians then they wouldn't be building homes on it as that just moves the border further into the  West Bank and not further away from the Palestinians. Totally flawed and if that came from Didge then he has led you up the garden path.

Truths and half truths Quill.

You didn't mention the concentration camp statements by the Israeli minister - the statements you tried to pass of as nothing more than something that might be said between some people corresponding during a time of war. Another blogger made a connection between Gaza and  concentration camps and it was posted on this forum and Didge went absolutely ballistic. He was beside himself with fury stating he was absolutely disgusted that any such comments could be made yet I hear nothing from him about this other than maybe a whimper or two here and there. I'm just wondering if he will take issue with you on the casual way you have dismissed and swept aside these comments in the same way he did on that thread so I'll keep a watching brief on this to see if you will get the same reaction or whether this current round of mutual admiration will survive.
I'll keep a watching brief on this

Irn Bru wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yep, Vietnam carried on until enough people protested for long enough and tv viewers began to see what was really happening.

Correct and much of it inspired by the The Girl in the Picture: The Story of Kim Phuc, the 9 year old Vietnamese girl.

On June 8, 1972, nine-year-old Kim Phuc, severely burned by napalm, ran from her blazing village in South Vietnam and into the eye of history. Her photograph-one of the most unforgettable images of the twentieth century-was seen around the world and helped turn public opinion against the Vietnam War.

http://www.abebooks.com/9780140280210/Girl-Picture-Story-Kim-Phuc-0140280219/plp

That was the Photograph and an ITN Newscaster also caught the moment on video as well and that just goes to show that when the world at large is outraged by what it sees and it is strong enough then it can in fact help to bring about change.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yep, Vietnam carried on until enough people protested for long enough and tv viewers began to see what was really happening.

Correct and much of it inspired by the The Girl in the Picture: The Story of Kim Phuc, the 9 year old Vietnamese girl.

On June 8, 1972, nine-year-old Kim Phuc, severely burned by napalm, ran from her blazing village in South Vietnam and into the eye of history. Her photograph-one of the most unforgettable images of the twentieth century-was seen around the world and helped turn public opinion against the Vietnam War.

http://www.abebooks.com/9780140280210/Girl-Picture-Story-Kim-Phuc-0140280219/plp

That was the Photograph and an ITN Newscaster also caught the moment on video as well and that just goes to show that when the world at large is outraged by what it sees and it is strong enough then it can in fact help to bring about change.

And yet we see in both Syria and Iraq real genocide of groups of people and yet there are no protests from the left, why is that?
I mean you have both just argued there is more than ever a reason to do so to act against ISIS who are systematically butchering Innocent people.
Does this conflict matter less now to you and Sassy or is it really about the hatred of Israel, because as seen you have just proven the poor disparity at protesting where there is real genocide going on in Iraq and Syria?

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, half-arguments and half-truths, Irn.  You cry about the occupied lands, yet not a word about why.  The following tells the whole story (thanks to Didge):



Now, with Hamas/Gaza lighting off 1,300 missiles from the south, explain to me again about settlements.  It's nonsense...and you don't even know enough to state who is building settlements.  Certainly not the Israeli government.

The reason why Israel must hold those lands has been clear since 1967.  It's just good military judgment.  Yet that's the "half" you don't want to acknowledge: half-truths, half-arguments and half the picture.

Here's the other half: If the Islamic states would give up in their demand to wipe Israel off the map, we wouldn't need military plans and military solutions.  Oppps...duck, here comes another missile from Hamas.

This is precisely what I mean about half-truths, half-arguments, and half a picture.

I've explained to you why, Quill. They want the land for themselves and all at the expulsion of the Palestinian population not as a military buffer zone. You see, that's where your argument falls down because if it was a buffer zone between the Israeli settlements and the Palestinians then they wouldn't be building homes on it as that just moves the border further into the  West Bank and not further away from the Palestinians. Totally flawed and if that came from Didge then he has led you up the garden path.

Truths and half truths Quill.

You didn't mention the concentration camp statements by the Israeli minister - the statements you tried to pass of as nothing more than something that might be said between some people corresponding during a time of war. Another blogger made a connection between Gaza and  concentration camps and it was posted on this forum and Didge went absolutely ballistic. He was beside himself with fury stating he was absolutely disgusted that any such comments could be made yet I hear nothing from him about this other than maybe a whimper or two here and there. I'm just wondering if he will take issue with you on the casual way you have dismissed and swept aside these comments in the same way he did on that thread so I'll keep a watching brief on this to see if you will get the same reaction or whether this current round of mutual admiration will survive.
I'll keep a watching brief on this

Complete lies and utter babble, if Israel wanted to remove the people of Palestine they have had plenty of chances to actually do this and to claim as you do it is about land is a further lie, when Israel has withdrawn from occupying the Golan heights, the Sinea desert, Lebanon, Gaza, showing the complete fabrications you are making to the point I easily rubbished the claim made of an absurd comparison to Nazi concentration camps  which you had no answer to. Your argument hinges on claims made by people. I have made countless posts about the legality of attacking military areas, all of which I have also condemned Israel when they have used indiscriminate shelling. So it proves they do not want the land, If they did they would never have withdrawn from controlling all of thes lands




Notice the difference?


Your argument made on now what a politician states or an officer, is poor to say the least and has no validity, even your claims as seen to a concentration camp where I embarrassed you over your lack of understanding the difference between a concentration camp and a death camp, you failed to acknowledge your poor error. We have also seen poor claims to calling this like the Warsaw Ghetto:












This is not the same as the Holocaust: The Warsaw Ghetto, and the uprising, took place in the context of the Holocaust. The Nazi’s predominate focus was the systematic murder of six million Jews (among others they found inferior…) Jews were sought to be decimated for no reason other than their being Jewish. In the Holocaust in general, and more specifically in the Warsaw Ghetto, the Jews were rounded up by Nazis. This was not because of anything the Jews had done, but because they were Jewish. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is part of a land-struggle between two warring parties. Jews do not seek to destroy the Arabs based on their faith, race, or character at all. Alternatively, Arab attacks on Jews predate any Israeli occupation, and this has always been a violent conflict.
This is war: Over the course of 60+ years of armed struggle, around 25,000 Palestinians have died. Most of the deaths occurred during the course of war, armed attacks or violent protest. To compare this to the Holocaust where 6 million innocent Jews were murdered in less than 6 years is cruel and dishonest. Additionally, it ignores the fact that these two instances have nothing in common other than the end result of death. The Jews were murdered in cold blood for no logical reason other than Hitler’s desire to deplete the world of their existence, while Palestinians have died as a tragic consequence of an Arab-provoked conflict.
There is no genocide in Gaza: Gaza’s population in 1967 was estimated at around 370,000. Today there are around 1.8 million Palestinians, a 500% increase. If Israel were conducting a genocide, Palestinians would not have multiplied five-fold. Additionally, the word genocide is defined as a deliberate killing of a large group of people based on ethnicity or nation. Israel does not seek to decimate the entire Muslim or Arab population. Once again, if it did, the population would not have grown.
Population density, deportations and murder: The Warsaw Ghetto’s population density was 24-times Gaza’s population density. By June 1943, the Warsaw Ghetto was liquidated of all its Jews. 254,000 were murdered at Treblinka, 100,000 died of starvation, disease or random executions, and the remaining 50,000 were either killed or deported to Nazi death and concentration camps. Gaza is not a concentration camp in the slightest. Israelis do not gas Palestinians to death, put them into ovens to burn their bodies, or force them into hard labor to “set them free.” In fact, Israel seeks to take care of Palestinians with food, medical supplies and health care. The fact that Hamas prevents Palestinians from accepting various assistance methods is not the fault of Israel but of Hamas.
Stay away from the Holocaust


Anti-Semites and anti-Israel activists alike have a peculiar selective memory. Many will both deny the Holocaust and compare modern day Israel to the Nazis. This absurd notion has no basis in reality, but it has never stopped anti-Semitic bigots before. They should either accept that 6 million Jews were brutally massacred as part of a genocidal scheme or stop using the Nazis as a comparison to deride Israel and the Jews. Even if these anti-Israel advocates accept the Holocaust, they willfully ignore facts and trivialize academic honesty for the sake of politics and Jew-hatred. It is the ultimate cruel, twisted irony that those who erroneously accuse Israel of committing genocide employ the actual genocide of the Jews in the Holocaust to defend the actions of Hamas, a group that actively attempts the genocide of the world’s remaining Jews.


The Warsaw Ghetto in the Context of the Holocaust


The Holocaust was the Nazis’ systematic murder of 6 million Jews between 1939 and 1945. The Nazis used gas chambers and bullets, but also starvation, disease and forced labor as a means of killing the Jews. Unless you believe the vilest of the anti-Semitic trope, the Jews were innocent victims of an evil genocidal campaign. The Jews fought no war against Germany, except according to the sick, twisted minds of Nazi leaders. Enemies of Israel could have chosen many other analogies, yet they chose the Warsaw Ghetto because of its emotional significance.


The Nazis established the Warsaw Ghetto on April 1, 1940. This narrow corridor of the Polish capital, 1.3 square miles, housed over 400,000 Jews until its final liquidation in 1943. Residents of the Warsaw Ghetto lived 6-7 per room and were given well below the necessary calorie-intake for sustaining life. Over 100,000 Jews died in the ghetto due to starvation, disease or random killings. The Nazis deported more than 254,000 Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto to the Treblinka death camp. Almost all of these innocent Jews were killed in Treblinka’s gas chambers. During the Warsaw Ghetto’s final liquidation starting on January 18, 1943, the Nazis killed or deported the remaining 56,000 Jews to concentration and death camps.


Gaza


It is sad that I must draw distinctions and elucidate the differences between the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza. Gaza is a coastal strip of land 139 square miles in area (100 times the size of the Warsaw Ghetto). It is home to 1.8 million Palestinians, giving it a population density of around 13,000 people per square mile. The Warsaw Ghetto was nearly 24 times more densely populated.


In the course of more than 60 years of Israeli-Palestinian struggles, or even longer depending on how you define the conflict, approximately 25,000 Palestinians have died. This was during the course of a territorial struggle and many of those deaths were combatants. Palestinians participated in a bloody struggle to oust Jews from the land of Israel and lost. Instead of accepting a U.N.-sponsored plan to partition the land, the Arabs of Mandatory Palestine and six surrounding countries waged a brutal and bloody war to eradicate the Jews of Israel. From 1948-1967, Egypt occupied Gaza. After Egyptian belligerency in 1967, Israel preemptively attacked Egypt resulting in Israel’s capture of Gaza.


At the beginning of the 1948 War, approximately 60,000-80,000 Arabs lived in Gaza and an additional 200,000 Arabs fled to Gaza during the course of the war. In 1967, when Israel assumed control of the Gaza Strip, approximately 370,000 Palestinians lived there. If Israel’s intention were to eliminate the Palestinians, then it failed. Today, 1.8 million Arabs live in the Gaza Strip, a nearly 500% increase over less than 50 years. Bringing this back to the Warsaw Ghetto, the Warsaw Ghetto was liquidated of its 400,000 Jews over the course of less than three years through murder, starvation and disease. Over a nearly 50-year period, the Palestinian population of Gaza has increased five-fold.


Palestinian belligerence against Israel


Israeli civilians have suffered from terrorism emanating from the Gaza Strip since 1948. In the early days of the nascent Jewish State, Fedayeen attacks against Israeli civilians originated from the Gaza Strip. Attacks from Gaza on Israel’s civilian population have never ceased; they have only changed their form. Palestinians from Gaza have conducted shooting attacks, suicide bombings and rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. The mistake often made on the anti-Israel side is to confuse cause and effect. Palestinian terrorism against Israel created the security restrictions, not the other way around.


Israeli aid to Gaza


Though it should be abundantly clear by now that Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto have nothing in common, Israeli aid to the region should dispel that false notion. Israel facilitates the entry of an extraordinary amount of goods. Just look at the Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories’ website for details on what Israel is sending to Gaza daily. Israel provides water, electricity and has offered to help build desalination plants to aid the Palestinians. Those who claim that Israel occupies Gaza, which it does not, state that Israel is obliged under international law to provide for the Palestinians of Gaza. Israel provides all the aid while being under constant threat of attack by Hamas, Gaza’s rulers.


In addition to Israeli aid, the international community sends more aid to the Palestinians per capita than to any other group. Israel is reluctant to let certain items into Gaza because Hamas uses them for nefarious purposes. Instead of using cement to build homes, hospitals and schools, Hamas uses it to build underground bunkers and terror tunnels. Israel carefully evaluates what it does and does not allow into Gaza. Israel limits goods from entering Gaza because Hamas and other Palestinian groups use these materials for their terrorist infrastructure.


Conclusion


The Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza have nothing in common. The Warsaw Ghetto was a piece in the diabolical puzzle of the Jewish Holocaust by the Nazis. Gaza’s security situation is caused by Israeli reaction to Palestinian terrorism, or belligerence, if you prefer that term. The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto committed no crime and did not provoke any Nazi aggression through violence. Palestinians in Gaza have been attacking the Jews of Israel since Israel’s founding. Through Fedayeen and terrorist attacks, Palestinians in Gaza have forced Israel to defend its citizens through measures that have had an adverse effect on other Palestinians in Gaza. The Nazis completely liquidated the Warsaw Ghetto in the course of three years, killing around 400,000 Jews. After over 60 years of struggle, including nearly 50 years of Jewish dominion over Gaza, around 25,000 Palestinians have been killed in the entire struggle (not just Gaza), many of whom were combatants. Under 50 years of Israeli control, Gaza has actually increased its population by 500%. Finally, Israel has performed an admirable job, under fire, of providing aid to the Palestinians, though much of that aid is seized by Hamas, a terrorist organization.


As the horrific events unfold on Mount Sinjar and the Yazidis there face a massacre at the hands of the Islamic State, the world must be outraged by a real genocide occurring in our time. By falsely hijacking the example of the Warsaw Ghetto in an attempt to exploit the memory of the Holocaust, anti-Israel advocates demean the memory of the Holocaust, falsely malign Israel, and desensitize the world to actual genocides occurring in our midst.

If you still think that the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza are comparable situations you are either willfully ignorant or delusional.






http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/no-gaza-is-not-the-warsaw-ghetto/

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yep, Vietnam carried on until enough people protested for long enough and tv viewers began to see what was really happening.

Correct and much of it inspired by the The Girl in the Picture: The Story of Kim Phuc, the 9 year old Vietnamese girl.

On June 8, 1972, nine-year-old Kim Phuc, severely burned by napalm, ran from her blazing village in South Vietnam and into the eye of history. Her photograph-one of the most unforgettable images of the twentieth century-was seen around the world and helped turn public opinion against the Vietnam War.

http://www.abebooks.com/9780140280210/Girl-Picture-Story-Kim-Phuc-0140280219/plp

That was the Photograph and an ITN Newscaster also caught the moment on video as well and that just goes to show that when the world at large is outraged by what it sees and it is strong enough then it can in fact help to bring about change.

And yet we see in both Syria and Iraq real genocide of groups of people and yet there are no protests from the left, why is that?
I mean you have both just argued there is more than ever a reason to do so to act against ISIS who are systematically butchering Innocent people.
Does this conflict matter less now to you and Sassy or is it really about the hatred of Israel, because as seen you have just proven the poor disparity at protesting where there is real genocide going on in Iraq and Syria?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


Complete lies and utter babble, if Israel wanted to remove the people of Palestine they have had plenty of chances to actually do this and to claim as you do it is about land is a further lie, when Israel has withdrawn from occupying the Golan heights, the Sinea desert, Lebanon, Gaza, showing the complete fabrications you are making to the point I easily rubbished the claim made of an absurd comparison to Nazi concentration camps  which you had no answer to. Your argument hinges on claims made by people. I have made countless posts about the legality of attacking military areas, all of which I have also condemned Israel when they have used indiscriminate shelling. So it proves they do not want the land, If they did they would never have withdrawn from controlling all of thes lands




Notice the difference?


Your argument made on now what a politician states or an officer, is poor to say the least and has no validity, even your claims as seen to a concentration camp where I embarrassed you over your lack of understanding the difference between a concentration camp and a death camp, you failed to acknowledge your poor error. We have also seen poor claims to calling this like the Warsaw Ghetto:












This is not the same as the Holocaust: The Warsaw Ghetto, and the uprising, took place in the context of the Holocaust. The Nazi’s predominate focus was the systematic murder of six million Jews (among others they found inferior…) Jews were sought to be decimated for no reason other than their being Jewish. In the Holocaust in general, and more specifically in the Warsaw Ghetto, the Jews were rounded up by Nazis. This was not because of anything the Jews had done, but because they were Jewish. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is part of a land-struggle between two warring parties. Jews do not seek to destroy the Arabs based on their faith, race, or character at all. Alternatively, Arab attacks on Jews predate any Israeli occupation, and this has always been a violent conflict.
This is war: Over the course of 60+ years of armed struggle, around 25,000 Palestinians have died. Most of the deaths occurred during the course of war, armed attacks or violent protest. To compare this to the Holocaust where 6 million innocent Jews were murdered in less than 6 years is cruel and dishonest. Additionally, it ignores the fact that these two instances have nothing in common other than the end result of death. The Jews were murdered in cold blood for no logical reason other than Hitler’s desire to deplete the world of their existence, while Palestinians have died as a tragic consequence of an Arab-provoked conflict.
There is no genocide in Gaza: Gaza’s population in 1967 was estimated at around 370,000. Today there are around 1.8 million Palestinians, a 500% increase. If Israel were conducting a genocide, Palestinians would not have multiplied five-fold. Additionally, the word genocide is defined as a deliberate killing of a large group of people based on ethnicity or nation. Israel does not seek to decimate the entire Muslim or Arab population. Once again, if it did, the population would not have grown.
Population density, deportations and murder: The Warsaw Ghetto’s population density was 24-times Gaza’s population density. By June 1943, the Warsaw Ghetto was liquidated of all its Jews. 254,000 were murdered at Treblinka, 100,000 died of starvation, disease or random executions, and the remaining 50,000 were either killed or deported to Nazi death and concentration camps. Gaza is not a concentration camp in the slightest. Israelis do not gas Palestinians to death, put them into ovens to burn their bodies, or force them into hard labor to “set them free.” In fact, Israel seeks to take care of Palestinians with food, medical supplies and health care. The fact that Hamas prevents Palestinians from accepting various assistance methods is not the fault of Israel but of Hamas.
Stay away from the Holocaust


Anti-Semites and anti-Israel activists alike have a peculiar selective memory. Many will both deny the Holocaust and compare modern day Israel to the Nazis. This absurd notion has no basis in reality, but it has never stopped anti-Semitic bigots before. They should either accept that 6 million Jews were brutally massacred as part of a genocidal scheme or stop using the Nazis as a comparison to deride Israel and the Jews. Even if these anti-Israel advocates accept the Holocaust, they willfully ignore facts and trivialize academic honesty for the sake of politics and Jew-hatred. It is the ultimate cruel, twisted irony that those who erroneously accuse Israel of committing genocide employ the actual genocide of the Jews in the Holocaust to defend the actions of Hamas, a group that actively attempts the genocide of the world’s remaining Jews.


The Warsaw Ghetto in the Context of the Holocaust


The Holocaust was the Nazis’ systematic murder of 6 million Jews between 1939 and 1945. The Nazis used gas chambers and bullets, but also starvation, disease and forced labor as a means of killing the Jews. Unless you believe the vilest of the anti-Semitic trope, the Jews were innocent victims of an evil genocidal campaign. The Jews fought no war against Germany, except according to the sick, twisted minds of Nazi leaders. Enemies of Israel could have chosen many other analogies, yet they chose the Warsaw Ghetto because of its emotional significance.


The Nazis established the Warsaw Ghetto on April 1, 1940. This narrow corridor of the Polish capital, 1.3 square miles, housed over 400,000 Jews until its final liquidation in 1943. Residents of the Warsaw Ghetto lived 6-7 per room and were given well below the necessary calorie-intake for sustaining life. Over 100,000 Jews died in the ghetto due to starvation, disease or random killings. The Nazis deported more than 254,000 Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto to the Treblinka death camp. Almost all of these innocent Jews were killed in Treblinka’s gas chambers. During the Warsaw Ghetto’s final liquidation starting on January 18, 1943, the Nazis killed or deported the remaining 56,000 Jews to concentration and death camps.


Gaza


It is sad that I must draw distinctions and elucidate the differences between the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza. Gaza is a coastal strip of land 139 square miles in area (100 times the size of the Warsaw Ghetto). It is home to 1.8 million Palestinians, giving it a population density of around 13,000 people per square mile. The Warsaw Ghetto was nearly 24 times more densely populated.


In the course of more than 60 years of Israeli-Palestinian struggles, or even longer depending on how you define the conflict, approximately 25,000 Palestinians have died. This was during the course of a territorial struggle and many of those deaths were combatants. Palestinians participated in a bloody struggle to oust Jews from the land of Israel and lost. Instead of accepting a U.N.-sponsored plan to partition the land, the Arabs of Mandatory Palestine and six surrounding countries waged a brutal and bloody war to eradicate the Jews of Israel. From 1948-1967, Egypt occupied Gaza. After Egyptian belligerency in 1967, Israel preemptively attacked Egypt resulting in Israel’s capture of Gaza.


At the beginning of the 1948 War, approximately 60,000-80,000 Arabs lived in Gaza and an additional 200,000 Arabs fled to Gaza during the course of the war. In 1967, when Israel assumed control of the Gaza Strip, approximately 370,000 Palestinians lived there. If Israel’s intention were to eliminate the Palestinians, then it failed. Today, 1.8 million Arabs live in the Gaza Strip, a nearly 500% increase over less than 50 years. Bringing this back to the Warsaw Ghetto, the Warsaw Ghetto was liquidated of its 400,000 Jews over the course of less than three years through murder, starvation and disease. Over a nearly 50-year period, the Palestinian population of Gaza has increased five-fold.


Palestinian belligerence against Israel


Israeli civilians have suffered from terrorism emanating from the Gaza Strip since 1948. In the early days of the nascent Jewish State, Fedayeen attacks against Israeli civilians originated from the Gaza Strip. Attacks from Gaza on Israel’s civilian population have never ceased; they have only changed their form. Palestinians from Gaza have conducted shooting attacks, suicide bombings and rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. The mistake often made on the anti-Israel side is to confuse cause and effect. Palestinian terrorism against Israel created the security restrictions, not the other way around.


Israeli aid to Gaza


Though it should be abundantly clear by now that Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto have nothing in common, Israeli aid to the region should dispel that false notion. Israel facilitates the entry of an extraordinary amount of goods. Just look at the Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories’ website for details on what Israel is sending to Gaza daily. Israel provides water, electricity and has offered to help build desalination plants to aid the Palestinians. Those who claim that Israel occupies Gaza, which it does not, state that Israel is obliged under international law to provide for the Palestinians of Gaza. Israel provides all the aid while being under constant threat of attack by Hamas, Gaza’s rulers.


In addition to Israeli aid, the international community sends more aid to the Palestinians per capita than to any other group. Israel is reluctant to let certain items into Gaza because Hamas uses them for nefarious purposes. Instead of using cement to build homes, hospitals and schools, Hamas uses it to build underground bunkers and terror tunnels. Israel carefully evaluates what it does and does not allow into Gaza. Israel limits goods from entering Gaza because Hamas and other Palestinian groups use these materials for their terrorist infrastructure.


Conclusion


The Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza have nothing in common. The Warsaw Ghetto was a piece in the diabolical puzzle of the Jewish Holocaust by the Nazis. Gaza’s security situation is caused by Israeli reaction to Palestinian terrorism, or belligerence, if you prefer that term. The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto committed no crime and did not provoke any Nazi aggression through violence. Palestinians in Gaza have been attacking the Jews of Israel since Israel’s founding. Through Fedayeen and terrorist attacks, Palestinians in Gaza have forced Israel to defend its citizens through measures that have had an adverse effect on other Palestinians in Gaza. The Nazis completely liquidated the Warsaw Ghetto in the course of three years, killing around 400,000 Jews. After over 60 years of struggle, including nearly 50 years of Jewish dominion over Gaza, around 25,000 Palestinians have been killed in the entire struggle (not just Gaza), many of whom were combatants. Under 50 years of Israeli control, Gaza has actually increased its population by 500%. Finally, Israel has performed an admirable job, under fire, of providing aid to the Palestinians, though much of that aid is seized by Hamas, a terrorist organization.


As the horrific events unfold on Mount Sinjar and the Yazidis there face a massacre at the hands of the Islamic State, the world must be outraged by a real genocide occurring in our time. By falsely hijacking the example of the Warsaw Ghetto in an attempt to exploit the memory of the Holocaust, anti-Israel advocates demean the memory of the Holocaust, falsely malign Israel, and desensitize the world to actual genocides occurring in our midst.

If you still think that the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza are comparable situations you are either willfully ignorant or delusional.






http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/no-gaza-is-not-the-warsaw-ghetto/

Didge old bean, I think you need to keep up to date certainly in respect of the Golan Heights where Israel have just recently granted the first Golan Heights oil drilling license to Genie Energy, a company advised by Dick Cheney in which Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch hold significant shares. There are also approximately 20,000 Israeli settlers already in the region so your claim that Israel have withdrawn is a mistake on your part or it’s just a pack of lies.
Hilarious and more abusrdity, are they occupying the Golan heights?
No, you need to stop being taking in by the commie shite you read mate

Israel isn’t really interested in occupying the Sinai desert, or Lebanon, but they are interested in Gaza hence the statements by the Israeli minister that the land is theirs and the setting up of concentration camps should be a start in ridding the place of the Palestinians who don’t fit in and succumb to Jewish rule. They withdrew from Gaza because they could hardly turn it into the virtual prison camp it is and treat the residents there in the way they have been doing over these last few years if their very own citizens were in there could they?
Really, is that why they pulled out in 2005 then?
You see your arguments are baseless and groundless as seen Israel would have never pulled ou tif their intent was to occupy. AS to prison camp is both comical and far from the reality when as seen Hamas is well funded and provided with substantial funds which instead of proving provisions for the people of Gaza they buy and smuggle in arms, so I suggest you rethink that daft claim 

And you only embarrassed yourself on the other thread in the way you blew your top by failing to recognise that the author clearly made a difference between the earlier concentration camps he was talking about prior to them becoming the disgusting death camps. The Red mist came down and you just became completely irrational to the point that it was just pure rage and obvious that you were not thinking things through properly.
Actually you did when I had to educate you on the difference between a concentration camp and a death camp for you to even worse claim the article did not mention German concentration camps, that was embarrassing on your part which you still try and twist out of ha ha. So no red mist it was just easy to show how idiotic your views were

And yet here we have an Israeli minister making a case for concentration camps in Gaza and do I see the same sort of reaction from you? No, not a dickie. Quill even dismisses the whole thing and bats it away as trivial and the sort of thing that people would say in private correspondence but would probably regret it later.  Quill ‘gets it’ you said earlier and I’m wondering why you are not responding to this in much the same way as you did on the other thread.
So your argument hinges on the view of one minister, score Irn, he now represents all Israel and all Israeli people does he? You see it is daft fallacy associations that people use on Muslims with claims like this and fall prey to doing the same school boy error

Would you mind telling me where you found that image you have thrown up comparing concentration camps and Gaza because I’d like to see the source that it came from?
Look up for yourself there is plenty showing Gaza doing very well:

http://www.counter-intifada.org/2011/06/unexpected-admissions-part-ii-one-mall-too-many/

The rest of your post is just basically C&P written by someone who lives in New York and the sort of thing that you complain about others doing so I take it that there will be no more said about that when you see it.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:




And yet we see in both Syria and Iraq real genocide of groups of people and yet there are no protests from the left, why is that?
I mean you have both just argued there is more than ever a reason to do so to act against ISIS who are systematically butchering Innocent people.
Does this conflict matter less now to you and Sassy or is it really about the hatred of Israel, because as seen you have just proven the poor disparity at protesting where there is real genocide going on in Iraq and Syria?

Didge, something is being done about ISIS and if you didn't know that you have been seriously out of touch with what is going on.  Our government are doing something in assisting the Americans against ISIS by providing humanitarian aid to those fleeing from the terror and you will also find that British Tornado jet fighters will be in the region shortly backing up the US led fight to halt these nutters.

I absolutely support that action so please don't for a moment try to make out that I do not care. Yet in Israel we see our government still selling military hardware to them whilst calling for restraint. They have also sent NHS staff out to Gaza to help treating the wounded possibly caused by the very hardware we are supplying them with.
Israel has has every right to defend it's borders in a proportionate way against the rocket attacks and they have a thriving defence industry of their own that is more than capable of doing that.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:




And yet we see in both Syria and Iraq real genocide of groups of people and yet there are no protests from the left, why is that?
I mean you have both just argued there is more than ever a reason to do so to act against ISIS who are systematically butchering Innocent people.
Does this conflict matter less now to you and Sassy or is it really about the hatred of Israel, because as seen you have just proven the poor disparity at protesting where there is real genocide going on in Iraq and Syria?

Didge, something is being done about ISIS and if you didn't know that you have been seriously out of touch with what is going on.  Our government are doing something in assisting the Americans against ISIS by providing humanitarian aid to those fleeing from the terror and you will also find that British Tornado jet fighters will be in the region shortly backing up the US led fight to halt these nutters.

I absolutely support that action so please don't for a moment try to make out that I do not care. Yet in Israel we see our government still selling military hardware to them whilst calling for restraint. They have also sent NHS staff out to Gaza to help treating the wounded possibly caused by the very hardware we are supplying them with.
Israel has has every right to defend it's borders in a proportionate way against the rocket attacks and they have a thriving defence industry of their own that is more than capable of doing that.

Really something is being done, only now is something being done and what did you and other lefties do to protest?
Fuck all, it shows the absurdity of your claims and how they are utterly hypocritical it also shows that there is a real crisis in Ira and not Palestine, which further proves how you and others get it wrong.
The fact is this crisis has been going on for months in Iraq and not once have we seen any call to protest, where real genocide has gone on for months, it proves that the view on Israel is hate based to protest and shows the hypocrisy by some on the left. As seen it has taken months for any action to happen

Sassy wrote:Lets have a look at what THE DEPUTY SPEAKER OF THE KNESSET actually said shall we:

Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset Moshe Feiglin's comments come after one of his far-right Knesset colleagues Ayelet Shaked previously called for the mothers of Hamas members to be targeted.

World Bulletin / News Desk

Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, Moshe Feiglin, has called for the use of concentration camps for the “conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.”

Sharing a plan for the destruction of Gaza in a letter addressed to Netanyahu on his Facebook page on August 1, Feiglin wrote “What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.”

Feiglin's comments come after one of his far-right Knesset colleagues Ayelet Shaked previously called for the mothers of Hamas members to be targeted.

In his letter, Feiglin urged Netanyahu to “turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians,” in reference to a Palestinian coastal city that was ethnically cleansed by in 1948 and incorporated into present-day Israel.

He called for tent encampments where the Palestinian civilian population would be “concentrated” to be established along the Sinai border until relevant emigration destinations are determined, adding that the supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected while they are “shelled with maximum fire power” in order to destroy the civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas as well as its means of communication and of logistics.

“Those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem,” he said.

Feiglin, who in January blasted Netanyahu for allowing his son to date a non-Jew, or a 'Gentile', also caused uproar among Palestinians when he participated in a raid on the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam's third holiest site, in East Jerusalem in March.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/141870/israeli-official-calls-for-concentration-camps-in-gaza

Irn Bru wrote:Deluded as ever Didge and remember the reference to concentration camps were made by the author=, not me, and he clearly made the point that there was a difference in what the earlier concentration camps were and the the death camps they became.
And as I expected there has been no reaction in any to the Israeli ministers concentration camp statements and obviously no desire to pull Quill up on the way he just tossed it aside as pretty much nothing. That' what I expected and that's what I got which leads me to the conclusion that you are not even near even handed on the situation in Gaza Your mask slipped ages ago and it shows even more now with your latest offerings.
Can't see that image in the link you gave me. Can I have the actual source please.

The Golan Heights.

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2

Oh dear.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

Really something is being done, only now is something being done and what did you and other lefties do to protest?
Fuck all, it shows the absurdity of your claims and how they are utterly hypocritical it also shows that there is a real crisis in Ira and not Palestine, which further proves how you and others get it wrong.
The fact is this crisis has been going on for months in Iraq and not once have we seen any call to protest, where real genocide has gone on for months, it proves that the view on Israel is hate based to protest and shows the hypocrisy by some on the left. As seen it has taken months for any action to happen

Er Didge. Where were your protests and what were you doing doing over the past month or two whilst all this was going on?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

Really something is being done, only now is something being done and what did you and other lefties do to protest?
Fuck all, it shows the absurdity of your claims and how they are utterly hypocritical it also shows that there is a real crisis in Ira and not Palestine, which further proves how you and others get it wrong.
The fact is this crisis has been going on for months in Iraq and not once have we seen any call to protest, where real genocide has gone on for months, it proves that the view on Israel is hate based to protest and shows the hypocrisy by some on the left. As seen it has taken months for any action to happen

Er Didge. Where were your protests and what were you doing doing over the past month or two whilst all this was going on?

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Deluded as ever Didge and remember the reference to concentration camps were made by the author=, not me, and he clearly made the point that there was a difference in what the earlier concentration camps were and the the death camps they became.
And as I expected there has been no reaction in any to the Israeli ministers concentration camp statements and obviously no desire to pull Quill up on the way he just tossed it aside as pretty much nothing. That' what I expected and that's what I got which leads me to the conclusion that you are not even near even handed on the situation in Gaza Your mask slipped ages ago and it shows even more now with your latest offerings.
Can't see that image in the link you gave me. Can I have the actual source please.

The Golan Heights.

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2

Oh dear.

Hilarious, is that all you have one link, where Israel has no authority to authorize any such exploration?

Oh dear, you best try again.
So one Minister, is that all you have, shall I post countless Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranians, all calling for the extermination of Jews in Israel?
Is that what you want to play, because you will lose badly and it is a poor argument because as seen it is the views of some people not all.
What about Quill?
You not big enough to debate him, you nee me to step in?
Best you fight you own arguments, is quite funny seeing you struggle with him

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hilarious, is that all you have one link, where Israel has no authority to authorize any such exploration?

Oh dear, you best try again.
So one Minister, is that all you have, shall I post countless Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranians, all calling for the extermination of Jews in Israel?
Is that what you want to play, because you will lose badly and it is a poor argument because as seen it is the views of some people not all.
What about Quill?
You not big enough to debate him, you nee me to step in?
Best you fight you own arguments, is quite funny seeing you struggle with him

It was reported in the FT. Isn't that good enough for you?

It was you that brought Quill into the discussion by saying that he 'gets it' so don't blame me for bringing up his views - views that you are obviously not prepared to take on in the same way you did  with the author who mentioned concentration camps.

You're getting angry again.

Sassy wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Er Didge. Where were your protests and what were you doing doing over the past month or two whilst all this was going on?

Yea, what marches did he instigate, what letters to MPs did he write, where was he protesting?   He was doing what all of us were, thinking how horrible it was and sitting frustrated, knowing the only peoplle who could do anything about it Cameron and Obama if they chose to arm the Kurds.   However, in the case of Israel/Gaza, we can do something about it by not buying Israeli goods etc and sending aid to Gaza.   Which we are doing, in droves, and which DEC (Distasters Emergency Committee) have done on TV and received an amazing responce.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hilarious, is that all you have one link, where Israel has no authority to authorize any such exploration?

Oh dear, you best try again.
So one Minister, is that all you have, shall I post countless Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranians, all calling for the extermination of Jews in Israel?
Is that what you want to play, because you will lose badly and it is a poor argument because as seen it is the views of some people not all.
What about Quill?
You not big enough to debate him, you nee me to step in?
Best you fight you own arguments, is quite funny seeing you struggle with him

It was reported in the FT. Isn't that good enough for you?

It was you that brought Quill into the discussion by saying that he 'gets it' so don't blame me for bringing up his views - views that you are obviously not prepared to take on in the same way you did  with the author who mentioned concentration camps.

You're getting angry again.

I suggest you read your own article again.
He does get it right, very much so on his views, points as seen you are not able to counter them, which I find most amusing.
Your infantile attempts to goad me make me laugh, as this is all you can counter with views on me.
Bless, you need a cuddle mate ha ha

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yea, what marches did he instigate, what letters to MPs did he write, where was he protesting?   He was doing what all of us were, thinking how horrible it was and sitting frustrated, knowing the only peoplle who could do anything about it Cameron and Obama if they chose to arm the Kurds.   However, in the case of Israel/Gaza, we can do something about it by not buying Israeli goods etc and sending aid to Gaza.   Which we are doing, in droves, and which DEC (Distasters Emergency Committee) have done on TV and received an amazing responce.

I do not need to do anything because I am not protesting against Israel, I am not hypocritical on protesting which is the point you miss, it proves beyond doubt some of you lefties are nothing but Jew haters and luckily some of us are against such poor racism and will stand against antisemitism

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


I do not need to do anything because I am not protesting against Israel, I am not hypocritical on protesting which is the point you miss, it proves beyond doubt some of you lefties are nothing but Jew haters and luckily some of us are against such poor racism and will stand against antisemitism

So basically, you won't complain about civilians anywhere getting killed, but you will complain if other complain about civilians getting killed.

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:

So basically, you won't complain about civilians anywhere getting killed, but you will complain if other complain about civilians getting killed.

People die daily world over and little is said or done by many people, and i know my words will have no affect, unless governments are forced to change, hence why I am not hypocritical to claim to change something as you are. If you advocate protests as you do then you protests against all conflicts and as seen there has been a far worse humanitarian crisis going on, and not a peep out of some of you lefties about it. It proves more than anything there is some real hate based perceptions of Israel and Jews.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

I suggest you read your own article again.
He does get it right, very much so on his views, points as seen you are not able to counter them, which I find most amusing.
Your infantile attempts to goad me make me laugh, as this is all you can counter with views on me.
Bless, you need a cuddle mate ha ha

Are you saying that the Israeli minister has got it right or that Quill is right to dismiss it as just something trivial to be discarded as if it didn't matter? Which is it.

I'm not goading you Didge, I'm just looking for consistency in your arguments - something that is sadly lacking.

I'll pass on the cuddle thanks. Have to go for now old bean as our fridge freezer has packed in and the milk has gone off and I have an engineer on the way but I'll check in later to see if you have managed to find the courage to take on the views of the Israeli minister. Please don't let me down

  

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:

People die daily world over and little is said or done by many people, and i know my words will have no affect, unless governments are forced to change, hence why I am not hypocritical to claim to change something as you are. If you advocate protests as you do then you protests against all conflicts and as seen there has been a far worse humanitarian crisis going on, and not a peep out of some of you lefties about it. It proves more than anything there is some real hate based perceptions of Israel and Jews.

So basically you are a sit on your arse kind of bloke, who will complain about anyone who feels strongly about kids being killed and actually tries to do something about it in an area they think they can make a difference in.   So what does that make you?    

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Are you saying that the Israeli minister has got it right or that Quill is right to dismiss it as just something trivial to be discarded as if it didn't matter? Which is it.

I'm not goading you Didge, I'm just looking for consistency in your arguments - something that is sadly lacking.

I'll pass on the cuddle thanks. Have to go for now old bean as our fridge freezer has packed in and the milk has gone off and I have an engineer on the way but I'll check in later to see if you have managed to find the courage to take on the views of the Israeli minister. Please don't let me down

  

Quill has got it right and again the views of one minister who wants to remove people is just one person where again your argument hinges on one out of 700 Parliament members, where as stated I can supply countless Hamas leaders, Iranian etc, calling for the extermination of the Jews. It shows your argument lacks any merit, one person does not nor does it happen here or many places enact a wish they have. So lets go over his views then shall we?
Do I agree with his views, partly, he wishes to take out the Hamas extremists, I have no issue with that, he wants to remove people who are anti Israel, nope I do not agree with that.
So there you have my views, what about your views to the many calling for the extermination of the Jews, where there is countless who have called for this?
You see this is why your argument falls flat

Thus you hinge on a poor point as seen

I think you are just getting pissed, because I am easily able to quash your arguments.

Sassy wrote:One man who is a member of parliament, a speaker in the parliament and a member of the ruling party.   Not just some odd soul sat at the back talking about stuff no-one else does.

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:

Quill has got it right and again the views of one minister who wants to remove people is just one person where again your argument hinges on one out of 700 Parliament members, where as stated I can supply countless Hamas leaders, Iranian etc, calling for the extermination of the Jews. It shows your argument lacks any merit, one person does not nor does it happen here or many places enact a wish they have. So lets go over his views then shall we?
Do I agree with his views, partly, he wishes to take out the Hamas extremists, I have no issue with that, he wants to remove people who are anti Israel, nope I do not agree with that.
So there you have my views, what about your views to the many calling for the extermination of the Jews, where there is countless who have called for this?
You see this is why your argument falls flat

Thus you hinge on a poor point as seen

I think you are just getting pissed, because I am easily able to quash your arguments.

Thats what you always say when you have been shown up, been seen through so many times.   How can anyone get pissed at you when you are obviously apathetic and don't give a damn about anyone, anywhere as long as you are ok.

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:One man who is a member of parliament, a speaker in the parliament and a member of the ruling party.   Not just some odd soul sat at the back talking about stuff no-one else does.

And how many Hamas authority figures have called for the extermination of Jews and yet you back Hamas, a terrorist Islamist party.
I am though against extremist Zionists and as seen i do not agree with his views, but have no issue with him wanting to take out extremists, who would?

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:


Thats what you always say when you have been shown up, been seen through so many times.   How can anyone get pissed at you when you are obviously apathetic and don't give a damn about anyone, anywhere as long as you are ok.

Hilarious, anything else you want to spit your dummy out over with yet more points about me and not the debate?

take your time

They claim the right are hateful, well as seen, you see the best hate from within some on the left

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:

And how many Hamas authority figures have called for the extermination of Jews and yet you back Hamas, a terrorist Islamist party.
I am though against extremist Zionists and as seen i do not agree with his views, but have no issue with him wanting to take out extremists, who would?

He didn't stop at Hamas read it again:

   Lets have a look at what THE DEPUTY SPEAKER OF THE KNESSET actually said shall we:

   Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset Moshe Feiglin's comments come after one of his far-right Knesset colleagues Ayelet Shaked previously called for the mothers of Hamas members to be targeted.

   World Bulletin / News Desk

   Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, Moshe Feiglin, has called for the use of concentration camps for the “conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.”

   Sharing a plan for the destruction of Gaza in a letter addressed to Netanyahu on his Facebook page on August 1, Feiglin wrote “What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.”

   Feiglin's comments come after one of his far-right Knesset colleagues Ayelet Shaked previously called for the mothers of Hamas members to be targeted.

   In his letter, Feiglin urged Netanyahu to “turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians,” in reference to a Palestinian coastal city that was ethnically cleansed by in 1948 and incorporated into present-day Israel.

   He called for tent encampments where the Palestinian civilian population would be “concentrated” to be established along the Sinai border until relevant emigration destinations are determined, adding that the supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected while they are “shelled with maximum fire power” in order to destroy the civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas as well as its means of communication and of logistics.

   “Those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem,” he said.

   Feiglin, who in January blasted Netanyahu for allowing his son to date a non-Jew, or a 'Gentile', also caused uproar among Palestinians when he participated in a raid on the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam's third holiest site, in East Jerusalem in March.

   http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/141870/israeli-official-calls-for-concentration-camps-in-gaza

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hilarious, anything else you want to spit your dummy out over with yet more points about me and not the debate?

take your time

They claim the right are hateful, well as seen, you see the best hate from within some on the left

Back to your usual phrases when you have been shown up.   Getting boring now.   Your lack of intelligence is only exceeded by your apathy at what is happening to children, literally being blown limb from limb.

And apparently, people who object to that are seen as hateful in your eyes.   Ah well Didgelet, takes all kinds to make a world.

Sassy wrote:Didgelet dear, show me one post where I have backed Hamas, I have only ever talked about what is happening to the CIVILIAN population and what the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT are doing, not the Jewish people, and have complained about what is happening to the JEWISH peace group IN ISRAEL.   Did a thread about the horrible things that are happening to them.    They are the ones I have been in contact with for years, they are the ones protesting about what their GOVERNMENT is doing.   You go back to your rocking chair so you can continue to be apathetic.

Sassy wrote:Oh, BTW, do you want me to bring up all your posts where you came on threads just to attack me and not talk about the subject.   There are so many of them dear.

Sassy wrote:Course you are Didge, now I have something constructive to do, and you obviously don't care about what is happening to anyone, you have said so, and you are now in your 'trying to be clever and failing miserably' mode, so see you later, when you can not care about lots of other things and moan about people who do.   Ta ra chuck, have a nice day not caring.

gerber wrote:I vividly remember the Saigon news coverage.........................And it did appear to change the world then.  

As for the call for concentration camps I had a look at his face book.  Then he had more than 2000 followers one day after posting.  Goodness knows how many now.  Israel is facing a political maelstrom.  More and more are leaning to the right.  Netty needs to keep them sweet to ensure being reelected.

Irn Bru wrote:I've explained to you why, Quill. They want the land for themselves and all at the expulsion of the Palestinian population not as a military buffer zone. You see, that's where your argument falls down because if it was a buffer zone between the Israeli settlements and the Palestinians then they wouldn't be building homes on it as that just moves the border further into the  West Bank and not further away from the Palestinians. Totally flawed and if that came from Didge then he has led you up the garden path.

Irn Bru wrote:You didn't mention the concentration camp statements by the Israeli minister - the statements you tried to pass of as nothing more than something that might be said between some people corresponding during a time of war.

Irn Bru wrote:Another blogger made a connection between Gaza and  concentration camps and it was posted on this forum and Didge went absolutely ballistic. He was beside himself with fury stating he was absolutely disgusted that any such comments could be made yet I hear nothing from him about this other than maybe a whimper or two here and there. I'm just wondering if he will take issue with you on the casual way you have dismissed and swept aside these comments in the same way he did on that thread so I'll keep a watching brief on this to see if you will get the same reaction or whether this current round of mutual admiration will survive.

I'll keep a watching brief on this

Commentary wrote:There are those who will see this map as proof that a two-state solution is impossible. But if the Palestinians ever decide that they actually want to live in peace alongside Israel, there is little doubt — and as proven by past Israeli offers of statehood and territorial concessions to the Palestinians — such a state would easily come into existence. The obstacle to such a state is not the Jews who currently live in parts of the West Bank. It is that the Palestinians and the terror groups that lead them are less interested in a Palestinian state — no matter what its borders might be — than they are in continuing their war against Israel. The continued demand that any Palestinian state must be devoid of Jews and that small isolated Jewish communities inside the West Bank must be forcibly uprooted demonstrates their bad faith on the question of peaceful coexistence.