Cats stress

First topic message reminder :

They say that when you move to another address that you have to keep them in for a few days.

.....Perhaps that should also include, when you redecorate your home...Now we have done that many times in the past, but this time it's massive changes like major furniture changes, like furniture at a different end of the room, ripping up carpets etc...

We'd quite honestly got very worried because they were rarely coming in over the last week or so...I decided on leaving the back door open all day today...Cat flap is working fine though...We'd been coxing them with numerous cat treats though.

We finished the first wave today, all painting has been finished...Both of them came in meowing very loudly and jumping on our laps.

....We'd thought that they had decided to leave home.   

Raggamuffin wrote:I hope the benefits office will be informed of all these changes.

Excellent point Raggs

Joy Division wrote:

Philagain wrote:

Doug and i don't argue that much JD, only at times like decorating and tribunals etc.

We've been together for fifteen years now, and the future is something to look forward to, with life changing sums of money and a business plan.

The cats are fine, one is here sleeping right next to me, the other is out....Normal cat behaviour.

....The nasty clique here will continue to cause trouble, and if i wasn't here it would just be someone else that is in their firing line....Just sad and pathetic IMO.....Couldn't even resolve internal fights to save their own fucking forum!

  

Im glad things are going well for you and Doug at the moment Phil, life is shaky and unpredictable at times though , and I'm glad your cats are doing fine as well


@Nems...
What you  said about Phil's cats was quite off, I thought you liked animals?, maybe you do, I realise you probably only said that to bother Phil, and although it seems harmless to us...they are Phil and Doug's cats..part of their family....


It's not so bad saying that to someone who may be in a stronger state of mind as a joke Nems, but that was pretty shity..and I'm all for a joke, but you know he loves his cats, more so because he has had them for a while and they are older...

You said that to score cheap points Nems, knowing he's vulnerable (I don't mean that in a bad way Phil)

You said you work with vulnerable people Nems,so surely you have an idea that saying that about his pets is damaging to Phil.

If that was me I would apologise for it Nems, at least for that.

.......Imagine meeting that little Hitler Nems, she has said that she works with the public.

If she's anything like she is in RL like she is on here, when dealing with her clients, she must have had quite a few complaints and isn't that far off from being sacked!

  

eddie wrote:Phil I wouldn't care what my future holds as I live for the now.
So digs like that bother me so little.

Money is way way down on my list of care-abouts.

You, however, are a different being altogether.

You're a miserable sour old soak without money and you'll still be a miserable sour old soak, but with better trousers to piss yourself in.

So. Will you buy yourself lots of trousers or just the one or two?
Better get ones that don't show hair.
Cats and yours, obviously, what with the moulting and all.

Philagain wrote:

Nems wrote:

I do hope that life changing sum of money  has been advised to the social together with the money your brothers send? You do know there will be nothing left for you yes? They send you bits to shut you up, they will have it all sewn up

There is no rule against family members helping other family members out.

Property abroad hasn't been sold yet.   

I think you will find you are supposed to declare any income, wherever it comes from.

eddie wrote:

eddie wrote:Phil I wouldn't care what my future holds as I live for the now.
So digs like that bother me so little.

Money is way way down on my list of care-abouts.

You, however, are a different being altogether.

You're a miserable sour old soak without money and you'll still be a miserable sour old soak, but with better trousers to piss yourself in.

So. Will you buy yourself lots of trousers or just the one or two?
Better get ones that don't show hair.
Cats and yours, obviously, what with the moulting and all.

Perhaps you should think forward to the day that someone (S) leave your home....In disgust...And have the relevant answers to why they wanted to leave in disgust?

Philagain wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Im glad things are going well for you and Doug at the moment Phil, life is shaky and unpredictable at times though , and I'm glad your cats are doing fine as well


@Nems...
What you  said about Phil's cats was quite off, I thought you liked animals?, maybe you do, I realise you probably only said that to bother Phil, and although it seems harmless to us...they are Phil and Doug's cats..part of their family....


It's not so bad saying that to someone who may be in a stronger state of mind as a joke Nems, but that was pretty shity..and I'm all for a joke, but you know he loves his cats, more so because he has had them for a while and they are older...

You said that to score cheap points Nems, knowing he's vulnerable (I don't mean that in a bad way Phil)

You said you work with vulnerable people Nems,so surely you have an idea that saying that about his pets is damaging to Phil.

If that was me I would apologise for it Nems, at least for that.

.......Imagine meeting that little Hitler Nems, she has said that she works with the public.

If she's anything like she is in RL like she is on here, when dealing with her clients, she must have had quite a few complaints and isn't that far off from being sacked!

  

You are quite wrong you know. I move heaven and earth for the people I look after, because they are genuine. They are not on the scrounge like you

Philagain wrote:

eddie wrote:

So. Will you buy yourself lots of trousers or just the one or two?
Better get ones that don't show hair.
Cats and yours, obviously, what with the moulting and all.

Perhaps you should think forward to the day that someone (S) leave your home....In disgust...And have the relevant answers to why that wanted to leave in disgust?

No idea? Would you like to start a thread about it?
You could call it "edds stress"

Joy Division wrote:

Philagain wrote:

Doug and i don't argue that much JD, only at times like decorating and tribunals etc.

We've been together for fifteen years now, and the future is something to look forward to, with life changing sums of money and a business plan.

The cats are fine, one is here sleeping right next to me, the other is out....Normal cat behaviour.

....The nasty clique here will continue to cause trouble, and if i wasn't here it would just be someone else that is in their firing line....Just sad and pathetic IMO.....Couldn't even resolve internal fights to save their own fucking forum!

  

Im glad things are going well for you and Doug at the moment Phil, life is shaky and unpredictable at times though , and I'm glad your cats are doing fine as well


@Nems...
What you  said about Phil's cats was quite off, I thought you liked animals?, maybe you do, I realise you probably only said that to bother Phil, and although it seems harmless to us...they are Phil and Doug's cats..part of their family....


It's not so bad saying that to someone who may be in a stronger state of mind as a joke Nems, but that was pretty shity..and I'm all for a joke, but you know he loves his cats, more so because he has had them for a while and they are older...

You said that to score cheap points Nems, knowing he's vulnerable (I don't mean that in a bad way Phil)

You said you work with vulnerable people Nems,so surely you have an idea that saying that about his pets is damaging to Phil.

If that was me I would apologise for it Nems, at least for that.

listen you shit stirring gremlin, phil is not "vulnerable" he is a miserable scroat, a scrounger, taker and troublemaker.
No-one owes him any apology,
everything he gets is his own doing.

Nems wrote:

Philagain wrote:

.......Imagine meeting that little Hitler Nems, she has said that she works with the public.

If she's anything like she is in RL like she is on here, when dealing with her clients, she must have had quite a few complaints and isn't that far off from being sacked!

  

You are quite wrong you know. I move heaven and earth for the people I look after, because they are genuine. They are not on the scrounge like you

Your bullying and vile antics on here have been noted.
.....And not just by me.  

Nems wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:They will most likely get eaten by the foxes....

Do foxes carry disease?

yep several, but you know they also carry parasites....which will feel right at home with phillock....

fleas, ticks and lice

though I should imagine that even a louse would feel uncomfortable in phillocks presence....

victorisnotamused wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Im glad things are going well for you and Doug at the moment Phil, life is shaky and unpredictable at times though , and I'm glad your cats are doing fine as well


@Nems...
What you  said about Phil's cats was quite off, I thought you liked animals?, maybe you do, I realise you probably only said that to bother Phil, and although it seems harmless to us...they are Phil and Doug's cats..part of their family....


It's not so bad saying that to someone who may be in a stronger state of mind as a joke Nems, but that was pretty shity..and I'm all for a joke, but you know he loves his cats, more so because he has had them for a while and they are older...

You said that to score cheap points Nems, knowing he's vulnerable (I don't mean that in a bad way Phil)

You said you work with vulnerable people Nems,so surely you have an idea that saying that about his pets is damaging to Phil.

If that was me I would apologise for it Nems, at least for that.

listen you shit stirring gremlin, phil is not "vulnerable" he is a miserable scroat, a scrounger, taker and troublemaker.
No-one owes him any apology,
everything he gets is his own doing.

JD only posts that crap because Phil is the only poster he can feel superior to

victorisnotamused wrote:

Nems wrote:

Do foxes carry disease?

yep several, but you know they also carry parasites....which will feel right at home with phillock....

fleas, ticks and lice

though I should imagine that even a louse would feel uncomfortable in phillocks presence....

Be throwing themselves back on the foxes you mean?!

yup

This is getting rather uncomfortable to watch now.

I haven't felt this bad since my first few weeks on Sky, when BigFatMama was saying she hoped Keith had killed himself.

Please leave the guy alone.

Philagain wrote:

Nems wrote:

You are quite wrong you know. I move heaven and earth for the people I look after, because they are genuine. They are not on the scrounge like you

Your bullying and vile antics on here have been noted.
.....And not just by me.  

you mean by the same people who have noted that you are the sole cause of everything that is happening..... ://?roflmao?/: 

victorisnotamused wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Im glad things are going well for you and Doug at the moment Phil, life is shaky and unpredictable at times though , and I'm glad your cats are doing fine as well


@Nems...
What you  said about Phil's cats was quite off, I thought you liked animals?, maybe you do, I realise you probably only said that to bother Phil, and although it seems harmless to us...they are Phil and Doug's cats..part of their family....


It's not so bad saying that to someone who may be in a stronger state of mind as a joke Nems, but that was pretty shity..and I'm all for a joke, but you know he loves his cats, more so because he has had them for a while and they are older...

You said that to score cheap points Nems, knowing he's vulnerable (I don't mean that in a bad way Phil)

You said you work with vulnerable people Nems,so surely you have an idea that saying that about his pets is damaging to Phil.

If that was me I would apologise for it Nems, at least for that.

listen you shit stirring gremlin, phil is not "vulnerable" he is a miserable scroat, a scrounger, taker and troublemaker.
No-one owes him any apology,
everything he gets is his own doing.

Mind your tone please Victor, less of the names please.

Philagain wrote:

Nems wrote:

You are quite wrong you know. I move heaven and earth for the people I look after, because they are genuine. They are not on the scrounge like you

Your bullying and vile antics on here have been noted.
.....And not just by me.  

fUCK THOSE CATS ARE CLEVER!

BigAndy9 wrote:This is getting rather uncomfortable to watch now.

I haven't felt this bad since my first few weeks on Sky, when BigFatMama was saying she hoped Keith had killed himself.

Please leave the guy alone.

why?
the asshole asked for it.... indeed he started it...if he hadnt come back shit stirring from the start....none of this would be being said....
"the guy" isnt vulnerable, he has a diseased mind...not a disease of the mind mark you...just a diseased mind...

Joy Division wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

listen you shit stirring gremlin, phil is not "vulnerable" he is a miserable scroat, a scrounger, taker and troublemaker.
No-one owes him any apology,
everything he gets is his own doing.

Mind your tone please Victor, less of the names  please.

fly wit' craws
get shot wit' craws......

victorisnotamused wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:This is getting rather uncomfortable to watch now.

I haven't felt this bad since my first few weeks on Sky, when BigFatMama was saying she hoped Keith had killed himself.

Please leave the guy alone.

why?
the asshole asked for it.... indeed he started it...if he hadnt come back shit stirring from the start....none of this would be being said....
"the guy" isnt vulnerable, he has a diseased mind...not a disease of the mind mark you...just a diseased mind...

It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

Nems wrote:

Philagain wrote:

Your bullying and vile antics on here have been noted.
.....And not just by me.  

fUCK THOSE CATS ARE CLEVER!

ALL YOU DO IS TO COME ON HERE TO PICK ON POSTERS TO TAKE YOUR ANGST OUT.

Fact   

BigAndy9 wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

why?
the asshole asked for it.... indeed he started it...if he hadnt come back shit stirring from the start....none of this would be being said....
"the guy" isnt vulnerable, he has a diseased mind...not a disease of the mind mark you...just a diseased mind...

It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

He didn't care when he tried to ruin vics art thread and my music thread and posted my sons name up.

He's a prick.

But he bores me because he's not bright enough to argue with.

So I'm off anyway.

BigAndy9 wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

why?
the asshole asked for it.... indeed he started it...if he hadnt come back shit stirring from the start....none of this would be being said....
"the guy" isnt vulnerable, he has a diseased mind...not a disease of the mind mark you...just a diseased mind...

It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

  

Most people were calling for my return a little while ago.

They just want a target for their anxieties.

Carry on  

At least they are leaving others alone.

BigAndy9 wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

why?
the asshole asked for it.... indeed he started it...if he hadnt come back shit stirring from the start....none of this would be being said....
"the guy" isnt vulnerable, he has a diseased mind...not a disease of the mind mark you...just a diseased mind...

It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

If you shit bomb 4 peoples threads.....why should you NOT expect 4 people to shit bomb you???

this isnt a deliberately constructed ganging up...

he had a go at 4 people and four people are having a go back....I'd call that proportional

Philagain wrote:

Nems wrote:

fUCK THOSE CATS ARE CLEVER!

ALL YOU DO IS TO COME ON HERE TO PICK ON POSTERS TO TAKE YOUR ANGST OUT.

Fact   

Angst?!I haven't got an angst. I have a ford Fiesta. I take that out every day to go to work

Philagain wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

  

Most people were calling for my return a little while ago.

They just want a target for their anxieties.

Carry on  

At least they are leaving others alone.

dont pride yourself phillock...it wasnt "most" it was "a few"......

victorisnotamused wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

If you shit bomb 4 peoples threads.....why should you NOT expect 4 people to shit bomb you???

this isnt a deliberately constructed ganging up...

he had a go at 4 people and four people are having a go back....I'd call that proportional

I'd call it about time.

Nems wrote:

Philagain wrote:

ALL YOU DO IS TO COME ON HERE TO PICK ON POSTERS TO TAKE YOUR ANGST OUT.

Fact   

Angst?!I haven't got an  angst. I have a ford Fiesta. I take that out every day to go to work

  


I heard a rumour that all Scousers were funny lol

Philagain wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


It's the number of people attacking him and the overwhelming number of posts - it's blumming awful!

  

Most people were calling for my return a little while ago.

They just want a target for their anxieties.

Carry on  

At least they are leaving others alone.

they were not

BigAndy9 wrote:

Nems wrote:

Angst?!I haven't got an  angst. I have a ford Fiesta. I take that out every day to go to work

  


I heard a rumour that all Scousers were funny lol

What has that to do with me? Im not a scouser

well JD i can understand, for reasons that will be clear in a min...but BA.....having sympathy for this prick? I'm stunned...BA's turned "lefty"

Its the lefty way you see...make the perp into the victim and demonise the perps chosen targets...

we see this regularly.....

Nems wrote:

Philagain wrote:


  

Most people were calling for my return a little while ago.

They just want a target for their anxieties.

Carry on  

At least they are leaving others alone.

they were not

...oh yes they were.

victorisnotamused wrote:well JD i can understand, for reasons that will be clear in a min...but BA.....having sympathy for this prick? I'm stunned...BA's turned "lefty"

Its the lefty way you see...make the perp into the victim and demonise the perps chosen targets...

we see this regularly.....

Agreed Andy is usually more on the ball than that

victorisnotamused wrote:well JD i can understand, for reasons that will be clear in a min...but BA.....having sympathy for this prick? I'm stunned...BA's turned "lefty"

Its the lefty way you see...make the perp into the victim and demonise the perps chosen targets...

we see this regularly.....

Christ Victor!!!...Andy LW?   

Joy Division wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:well JD i can understand, for reasons that will be clear in a min...but BA.....having sympathy for this prick? I'm stunned...BA's turned "lefty"

Its the lefty way you see...make the perp into the victim and demonise the perps chosen targets...

we see this regularly.....

Christ Victor!!!...Andy LW?   

well by doing the above he's showing distictly lefty tendencies....

YOU however...are true to your colours.....

Joy Division wrote:

Nems wrote:

they were not

...oh yes they were.

OK.

I'm going to say that i wasn't granted a return by Ben alone.

It was run past the moderation team first.

Philagain wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...oh yes they were.

OK.

I'm going to say that i wasn't granted a return by Ben alone.

It was run past the moderation team first.

And look how you have repaid them

Philagain wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...oh yes they were.

OK.

I'm going to say that i wasn't granted a return by Ben alone.

It was run past the moderation team first.

they must be maschochists

victorisnotamused wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Christ Victor!!!...Andy LW?   

well by doing the above he's showing distictly lefty tendencies....

YOU however...are true to your colours.....

I'm against capitalism and letting the poor starve..
And just how would you politically describe yourself Victor?

I'm against letting the poor starve
I'm for a mixed economy
I'm against the poor getting something for nothing
i'm for workfare...but at at least minimum wage IF we HAVE to go this way
I'm against any immigrant having access to our social services
I'm against any immigrant having free access to our health services
I'm for controlling immigrant numbers on a "need " basis
I'm for in fact completely removing the "welfare state system"(except for certain "top up" benefits)
and replacing it with a single universal credit to every BRITISH citizen over 18 of at least the present minimum wage
and adjusting taxes to make up any short fall
I'm for throwing thh HRA away....and replacing it with a british rights and responsibilities act

and much much more....

but you are too shallow to comprehend most of what I stand for....you can only see balck and white...with no shades of grey.....

victorisnotamused wrote:I'm against letting the poor starve
I'm for a mixed economy
I'm against the poor getting something for nothing
i'm for workfare...but at at least minimum wage IF we HAVE to go this way
I'm against any immigrant having access to our social services
I'm against any immigrant having free access to our health services
I'm for controlling immigrant numbers on a "need " basis
I'm for in fact completely removing the "welfare state system"(except for certain "top up" benefits)
and replacing it with a single universal credit to every BRITISH citizen over 18 of at least the present minimum wage
and adjusting taxes to make up any short fall
I'm for throwing thh HRA away....and replacing it with a british rights and responsibilities act

and much much more....

but you are too shallow to comprehend most of what I stand for....you can only see balck and white...with no shades of grey.....

I be begging ya pardon sir, tug,,, tug, but there be peasants stealing them chickens cos they say they gotta eat, should I waste the lead on em or just beat em to death!

Nems wrote:

Philagain wrote:

OK.

I'm going to say that i wasn't granted a return by Ben alone.

It was run past the moderation team first.

And look how you have repaid them

I think that i've been very reserved today.

I had a phone call today, this phone call came from a bisexual ex of mine, that had tried to find me through Facebook...I'm not on there, so he got in touch via a mutual old friend, who still had my number....

Motto is that i'm still remembered from years back, and even ex lovers are trying to find me.....

  ....

@scrat....

oooh no....shove em in the slurry pit and drown em....perhaps you should read and absorb and think about the implications of what I posted....because it beats the hell out of anything either the pathetic R/W OR the fiscally ignorant left can produce.....

You may have missed the lengthy post I made about a true "universal credit"...If you did I can post it for you again...it may educate you into beeing a bit less free with ye gob...provide you with a brake on your arrogance, and give you a realisation that some people out here have actually thought about their politics....

victorisnotamused wrote:@scrat....

oooh no....shove em in the slurry pit and drown em....perhaps you should read and absorb and think about the implications of what I posted....because it beats the hell out of anything either the pathetic R/W OR the fiscally ignorant left can produce.....

You may have missed the lengthy post I made about a true "universal credit"...If you did I can post it for you again...it may educate you into beeing a bit less free with ye gob...provide you with a brake on your arrogance, and give you a realisation that some people out here have actually thought about their politics....

Hi Victor, I'm 52 and I've been in the thick of it since I were 15.

I support hunting, I'm anti EU and I'm a white middle class Englishman.

But I won't get the wool pulled over my eyes for some "village green" dream, this is Blighty, as it is, get over it and move on.

victorisnotamused wrote:I'm against letting the poor starve
I'm for a mixed economy
I'm against the poor getting something for nothing
i'm for workfare...but at at least minimum wage IF we HAVE to go this way
I'm against any immigrant having access to our social services
I'm against any immigrant having free access to our health services
I'm for controlling immigrant numbers on a "need " basis
I'm for in fact completely removing the "welfare state system"(except for certain "top up" benefits)
and replacing it with a single universal credit to every BRITISH citizen over 18 of at least the present minimum wage
and adjusting taxes to make up any short fall
I'm for throwing thh HRA away....and replacing it with a british rights and responsibilities act

and much much more....

but you are too shallow to comprehend most of what I stand for....you can only see balck and white...with no shades of grey.....

No offence to you personally Victor , but im just not for things like denying people NHS, regardless of skin colour or wether here illegally , that could be kids needing treatment and it's not their fault the parents smuggled them here...I would never deny anyone life saving surgery, I couldn't care less where they come from, unless they had harmed kids or something sinister.

What do poor people get for free apart from HB and dole money Victor?, I'm against holding a grudge for people who genuinely can't find work that pays a living wage...

How much would you set the NMW at Victor? The same or more than now?and the tax threshold if a higher NMW?( I know you said around the same as now), what would be a realistic NMW for a working man with kids to support?


HRA? Human rights act?

Would you pull us out of the EU? And leave us vulnerable to future rabid RW governments?





Debt collectors and racists = scum.

village green dream???

wheres that then?

scrat wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:@scrat....

oooh no....shove em in the slurry pit and drown em....perhaps you should read and absorb and think about the implications of what I posted....because it beats the hell out of anything either the pathetic R/W OR the fiscally ignorant left can produce.....

You may have missed the lengthy post I made about a true "universal credit"...If you did I can post it for you again...it may educate you into beeing a bit less free with ye gob...provide you with a brake on your arrogance, and give you a realisation that some people out here have actually thought about their politics....

Hi Victor, I'm 52 and I've been in the thick of it since I were 15.

I support hunting, I'm anti EU and I'm a white middle class Englishman.

But I won't get the wool pulled over my eyes for some "village green" dream, this is Blighty, as it is, get over it and move on.

That's it Scrat, I've little time for this picking on immigrants pish.

Philagain wrote:

Nems wrote:

And look how you have repaid them

I think that i've been very reserved today.  

I had a phone call today, this phone call came from a bisexual ex of mine, that had tried to find me through Facebook...I'm not on there, so he got in touch via a mutual old friend, who still had my number....

Motto is that i'm still remembered from years back, and even ex lovers are trying to find me.....

  ....

Do you owe him money?

Joy Division wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:I'm against letting the poor starve
I'm for a mixed economy
I'm against the poor getting something for nothing
i'm for workfare...but at at least minimum wage IF we HAVE to go this way
I'm against any immigrant having access to our social services
I'm against any immigrant having free access to our health services
I'm for controlling immigrant numbers on a "need " basis
I'm for in fact completely removing the "welfare state system"(except for certain "top up" benefits)
and replacing it with a single universal credit to every BRITISH citizen over 18 of at least the present minimum wage
and adjusting taxes to make up any short fall
I'm for throwing thh HRA away....and replacing it with a british rights and responsibilities act

and much much more....

but you are too shallow to comprehend most of what I stand for....you can only see balck and white...with no shades of grey.....

No offence to you personally Victor , but im just not for things like denying people NHS, regardless of skin colour or wether here illegally , that could be kids needing treatment and it's not their fault the parents smuggled them here...I would never deny anyone life saving surgery, I couldn't care less where they come from, unless they had harmed kids or something sinister.

australia seems to work ok....you emigrate there you have to have a job...or sufficient money to cover yourself for at least i think 5 years...

What do poor people get for free apart from HB and dole money Victor?, I'm against holding a grudge for people who genuinely can't find work that pays a living wage...

free just about anything else...tickets here there and everywhere

How much would you set the NMW at Victor? The same or more than now?and the tax threshold if a higher NMW?( I know you said around the same as now), what would be a realistic NMW for a working man with kids to support?


HRA? Human rights act?

Would you pull us out of the EU? And leave us vulnerable to future rabid RW governments?





Debt collectors and racists = scum.

oh FFS...is like plaiting feckin fog....


I dont suppose you or scrat will bother to read and think about it but here goes

So, Just HOW would you run the country?

When we look at whats going on, It is obvious that the old 3 party system is no longer fit for the purpose, and a big change is needed, but who do we look to? The obvious choice is the BNP, but, they are hamstrung by their past, and come to that, the past of nationalism. However we have to realise that just as socialism has changed over the years (and not for the better it might be added) so has nationalism. The BNP are largely marginalized, with their numbers bolstered mainly by discontented and, it has to be said the I’m all right jack…sod you brigade, so much is obvious by the various posts we see on the forum, the attitude displayed by those posters towards disabled, gay and ethnic minorities, is often only marginally short of that displayed by certain people in the 1930’s in another nation. Personally I have a lot of sympathy towards the BNP’s stance on many things….BUT I cannot support them simply because there is an underlying malice that just cannot be removed, a malice that shows in statements that come from various senior members, and that rolls forth on a daily basis from their supporters on this forum. Also, in many areas the BNP’s policy does not go far enough…it is not radical enough and fails to address the issues of today, nor the fact that many of those issues will be worse in the not to distant future

So, how would YOU run the country…well…I would do it like this, and please, bear in mind that in most cases, where I would make monetary suggestions…I have limited information on the amounts of money actually floating around…Lets face it none of us have ANY real idea of the TRUE balance sheet of the nation. I merely propose the ideas for reasonable discussion…..If your input is going to be limited to “wanker
”  “pillock” “twat” etc …don’t bother replying, if however you can make CONSTRUCTIVE comment, or back your point with REAL figures, then great…

Financial policy

1, leave the EU as fast as is practicable, if necessary subsidising British interests in order to speed it up

2, cancel ALL foreign aid, except where such aid is clearly and independantly demonstrated to be properly used to the benefit of the intended recipients

3, tear up any and all agreements to pay anyone any “carbon taxes”

4, increase duty on All alcohol and smoking material by 10% per year for 10 years

5, cease all expenditure on anti smoking advertising…if people want to smoke…its up to them…and they bring in more in duty than they cost in health care..

6, reduce vehicle excise duty on all vehicles to a nominal £20 per year to cover registration costs

7 increase the rate of fuel duty by 30p this year and by 10p per year for the next 5 years

8,
9 legalise cannabis and make it duty payed the same as tobacco

10 legalise prostitution, making the bordello owner legally responsible for the health care of the girls. Make street prostitution strictly illegal with severe penalties for breaches of this law…especially for the pimps

Now this is whats gonna bite…..

11…remove ALL state benefits pensions etc

now…stop slavering…..wait….down you dog called the left,

12…replace it with a SINGLE…UNTAXABLE state payment, payable to ALL UK citizens over the age of 16, on a residency basis ONLY…at a level which provides a bare minimum standard of living ( I would guess that’s about at statutory minimum wage level)

13 remove the statutory minimum wage

14  remove all tax allowances

15 All income beyond the state payment to be taxed at 50% up to 150,000

16 over 150,000 taxed at 75%

17 make all tax returns the duty of the EMPLOYER…..with heavy penalties for defaulters


Reasoning:

1 the EU costs us more than it brings to us, both in terms of fixed costs and invisible costs

2 foreign aid is mainly misused, and in the situation we are in…we cant afford it

3 man made climate change is a load of old cobblers…made up to subjugate the west
yes the climates changing…but its been doing that for years…also…an interesting fact…that Icelandic volcano that hiccupped a bit back…wiped out the last 10 years carbon savings…and the next 20 to come….…..no point paying through the nose to fight nature…

4, it’s a good cash cow

5 need I say more, and I’m sick of the nanny state

6 & 7  transfer the VED to fuel duty…he who uses most pays most

8 watch this space…

9 more money to the exchequer…and …ask a cop who he would sooner scrape up from the door way…a drunk or a pothead???

10…why not…about time we caught up with the 21st century…and just think of the income tax…not to mention the vat and duty….

11….17

this is the really serious bit of this….

We have, on all sides of the political divide, to realise that for good or bad, and for whatever reason and regardless of who’s “fault it is , the world has changed mightily.
2-3 generations have lived in a system where there has been little hope of a job, such jobs as are available are seen as demeaning and or unpleasant. It has also to be recognised that many jobs which would have sustained most of these folk have gone for good…exported…destroyed.   There is a job gulf bigger than ever before…its either cleaning the loos or a degree position…so we have to recognise that there are a lot, an awful lot, of folks who are going to be loo cleaners….NOT.
It must also be recognised that due to years of  poor social education, poor parental and teacher leadership, and the sickening creep of socialist sheeping visible in soaps and the brainless useless celebrity magazines….there are a lot of folks who are psychologically incapable of work in any sustained manner, but who would, if given the chance do some part time work here and there In order to better themselves. Those who WANT to work…will…and despite a higher tax band etc would still be much better of even I suspect than at present.

We should get away from the Victorian “christian work ethic”…that is no longer fit for the purpose, and instead focus on creating a society where fairness means a relaxed attitude to working, where working is as much for self improvement as it is for “stuffing the wallet of the industrialist” and at the same time recognising that not everyone is born to be top man….as Einstein said….”Vell….Ve cant all be first violinners in der orchestra, some of us have to push der vindt through der trombone”

Yes there will be those who will just say oki …I’ll take the state wage and put me feet up….but then that’s where they will stay…...some will say well I want a bit more…and do part time ..here and there jobs…easy to do with no dole office idiots to try to negotiate part time work with… others will as they always have…get on with things and get well paid full time jobs..with the state wage making up for the loss due to higher taxes etc…and with some to spare in the middle bracket…which most of us belong to I suspect.

I strongly suspect that such a move would benefit everyone, providing  financial security for all, at the penalty of just retargeting costs and payments.

Finally let me ask you to read carefully and think through the implications of this approach…I know there are things implicit in this that I haven’t made obvious…due to time…and the fact I cant think and type at the same time  Things like the cost of providing the present benefits costs as much or more as the benfits themselves…get rid of the benefits and you get back double…

More to follow if you want it…or even if you don’t….

Joy Division wrote:

scrat wrote:
Hi Victor, I'm 52 and I've been in the thick of it since I were 15.

I support hunting, I'm anti EU and I'm a white middle class Englishman.

But I won't get the wool pulled over my eyes for some "village green" dream, this is Blighty, as it is, get over it and move on.

That's it Scrat, I've little time for this picking on immigrants pish.

Its all bollocks JD, the world is as it is, the problem with the RWhinge is the all consuming fear, that someone, somewhere, is enjoying their life.

Fuck the £260 million a day being swindled away by tax evading parasites, they pick on the poorest, most disadvantaged, less fortunate fuckers, and fuck them over.