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Post by Guest Thu May 29, 2014 9:36 am

First topic message reminder :

It is now two years since the London Olympics showed the world London's central message of diversity and multiculturalism - not just for the games, but also as its ongoing legacy. In doing so, it sent that message on behalf of the whole UK. The games, as well as the world's focus, is now moving on to Brazil, a country that successfully lives with diversity built into its national identity.
The run up to and now the developing aftermath of the May 2014 local and European elections in the UK have left quite a bitter taste in the mouths of many. The seeming victories (largely outside of London) of the UK Independence Party (Ukip) have been based largely on emphasising the worries and concerns of a substantial part of the ethnic majority of the UK.


These worries really do exist, that immigration, and the cultural diversity that comes from such change, both need to be resisted. Ukip have built a platform by arguing for the reinstatement of the UK as a self-confident and successful nation which can apparently be achieved through returning to a monochrome sense of identity. For Ukip, migration, diversity, and multiculturalism (whatever that might mean) are a challenge to such self-confidence and need to be resisted.





http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/malory-nye/ukip-election-diversity_b_5394771.html?utm_hp_ref=uk




Excellent article.
 

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu May 29, 2014 4:41 pm

Lib lab con don't want out of EU, they will keep dangling the carrot but it's all bollocks.
UKIP will force the issue and are the only party that genuinely want to deliver.
The lefties love massive authoritarian federal dictatorships.
They don't like freedom or democracy because that gives the people control, and allows them to do what they want, which is different from the leftie 'progressives' agenda.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu May 29, 2014 4:45 pm

JD you bell end, Tory promised a referendum by 2017.


So a vote for UKIP and Tory is a vote for referendum.



Plus you forget that half of labour And lib dem voters also want a referendum.



Did you miss this......


http://www.ukip.org/labour_donor_defects_to_ukip_tells_fellow_members_to_vote_for_farages_party
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Post by Guest Thu May 29, 2014 4:48 pm

Joy Division wrote:
nicko wrote:JD, I'M sick of you calling all ukip voters racists, I can remember you on Sky, you were one of the biggest racist on there.  You'v changed you tune now just to keep brown nosing the lefties on here.


I've never been a racist Nicko, so I know you've either fabricated that, or been picking up on what the usual  racists say, down try to pull me down with you.

You lot go Into a mass frenzy when it comes to Islam , benefits , coloured people etc.

You reap what you sow Nicko.

Not sure about that JD

You're very racist against whites in favour of black and other ethnic sewerage

I on the other hand have not a racist bone in my body,you will of purse disagree with me because you cannot intellectually challenge me

But you sir are definitely a racist

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Post by Guest Thu May 29, 2014 6:11 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Joy Division wrote:


I've never been a racist Nicko, so I know you've either fabricated that, or been picking up on what the usual  racists say, down try to pull me down with you.

You lot go Into a mass frenzy when it comes to Islam , benefits , coloured people etc.

You reap what you sow Nicko.

Not sure about that JD

You're very racist against whites in favour of black and other ethnic sewerage

I on the other hand have not a racist bone in my body,you will of  purse disagree with me because you cannot intellectually challenge me

But you sir are definitely a racist

I agree totally with this statement that JD is a RACIST

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Post by Fluffyx Thu May 29, 2014 7:05 pm

gerber wrote:I have diversified enough thank you.  

We can always diversify more  cheers 
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Post by Guest Thu May 29, 2014 7:32 pm

Ah well, that's me off a few Christmas card lists!

At least Smelly is honest in what he thinks by saying I favour blacks over whites !!??? Laughing 

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Post by Guest Thu May 29, 2014 7:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:JD you bell end, Tory promised a referendum by 2017.


So a vote for UKIP and Tory is a vote for referendum.



Plus you forget that half of labour And lib dem voters also want a referendum.



Did you miss this......


http://www.ukip.org/labour_donor_defects_to_ukip_tells_fellow_members_to_vote_for_farages_party


..Tommy,,take your hand out your breeks mate.

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu May 29, 2014 7:41 pm

Don't understand what that means JD.


Can you translate that to English please?
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Post by Guest Thu May 29, 2014 8:07 pm

Joy Division wrote:Ah well, that's me off a few Christmas card lists!

At least Smelly is honest in what he thinks by saying I favour blacks over whites !!??? Laughing 

And you do

This makes you racist since your feelings are based on race

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Post by Fred Fri May 30, 2014 11:52 am

Didge the quisling in action action?

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 12:26 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:Didge the quisling in action action?



Really shows how sad and pathetic drinky is now, who now thinks we have an occupying force in the UK, even Victor dropped this because he knew how silly it was to imply, unless of course drinky really believes there is an occupying force.

 ://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/: 


What a dummy.

You really need to get over your grudge my boy and start paying taxes as well

Anyway I see nobody has been able to say why they should not get on with people, I have seen arguments from the ridiculous in regards to not being asked, even though you would not expect to be asked if someone wants to buy the house next door to you, opposite you or even in your street, but a person moving to a country and people seem to think they should have the right to say no, even though they have no problem if people want to move abroad, how absurd.
So again the demographics of this country changed long ago, yes immigration needs to be controlled, but people need to stop scapegoating immigrants for problems in this country all the time. The reality is it was British people that created the influx of many immigrants in the first place where there was a benefit culture here. where it paid more not to work than to work, to the extent employers were crying out for people to work for them, that they sought people from outside the UK. Yes these jobs should have paid better, but no good moaning about not getting a job when many people did not even want these jobs in the first place and yet these same people are the ones who moan now, talk about irony/.

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Post by Fred Fri May 30, 2014 12:34 pm

If you think the huge influx of immigrants under Labour is beneficial and defensible you are a complete wanker Didge.

You think the EU mandarins are stars as well forgive me if I find you even less credible than Sassy these days and that really is an insult.

Someone with miniscule IQ can see Labour has caused untold damage with its hidden and uncontrolled immigration policies. Are we an integrated society I think not. Are we more tolerant? Absolutely not. Have the electorate been given a chance to have its concerns listened to? Of course they haven't and idiots like you defend the position taken by politicians over the last two decades.

You are a dick Didge and have the unusual accolade on here of being considered so by left and right on here.

Well done. Smile 

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Post by The Puzzler Fri May 30, 2014 12:37 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
gerber wrote:I have diversified enough thank you.  

We can always diversify more  cheers 
Go live in Tower Hamlets and tell me how successful their 'diversity' has been.
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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 12:43 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:If you think the huge influx of immigrants under Labour is beneficial and defensible you are a complete wanker Didge.

You think the EU mandarins are stars as well forgive me if I find you even less credible than Sassy these days and that really is an insult.

Someone with  miniscule IQ can see Labour has caused untold damage with its hidden and uncontrolled immigration policies. Are we an integrated society I think not. Are we more tolerant? Absolutely not. Have the electorate been given a chance to have its concerns listened to? Of course they haven't and idiots like you defend the position taken by politicians over the last two decades.

You are a dick Didge and have the unusual accolade on here of being considered so by left and right on here.

Well done. Smile 


Every report shows immigration in the main has had a positive affect of the country and all your post is yet again more childish abuse and nothing to refute the fact immigration has been beneficial,
As stated it was Britain themselves that created the influx by not talking on low skilled job and you want to moan about that when the problems as seen came from the British people, yet you wish to ignore that fact.
Again I am all for controlled immigration, but what is stopping you getting along with migrants?
Nothing, what is bad about immigration for the country?

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 12:45 pm

The Puzzler wrote:
FluffyBunny wrote:

We can always diversify more  cheers 
Go live in Tower Hamlets and tell me how successful their 'diversity' has been.


Nothing wrong with Tower Hamlets, have friends there, or are you one of these people that live no where near there and just go off what you read on the web?

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 1:37 pm

Didge wrote:
The Puzzler wrote:
Go live in Tower Hamlets and tell me how successful their 'diversity' has been.


Nothing wrong with Tower Hamlets, have friends there, or are you one of these people that live no where near there and just go off what you read on the web?

Of course you have friends there you're Pakistani


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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 1:42 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


Nothing wrong with Tower Hamlets, have friends there, or are you one of these people that live no where near there and just go off what you read on the web?

Of course you have friends there you're Pakistani



Smeagoly has no reply so now makes daft claims, ha ha, proving smelly is upset and also very stupid yet again as it is mainly Asians from Bangladesh that live in Tower hamlets, not Pakistani's.


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Smelly looking a dummy yet again

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 1:57 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

Of course you have friends there you're Pakistani



Smeagoly has no reply so now makes daft claims, ha ha, proving smelly is upset and also very stupid yet again as it is mainly Asians from Bangladesh that live in Tower hamlets, not Pakistani's.


 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 


Smelly looking a dummy yet again


So you admit that the majority of tower hamlets is Asians from Bangladesh

Sounds like tower hamlets has been ethnically cleansed of white British

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:02 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


Smeagoly has no reply so now makes daft claims, ha ha, proving smelly is upset and also very stupid yet again as it is mainly Asians from Bangladesh that live in Tower hamlets, not Pakistani's.


 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 


Smelly looking a dummy yet again


So you admit that the majority of tower hamlets is Asians from Bangladesh

Sounds like tower hamlets has been ethnically cleansed of white British


Oh fuck me, so if people move, that means people have been ethnically cleansed?

 ://?roflmao?/: 


Tower Hamlets is one part of London and you sound just like this UKIP idiot candidate:


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/29/ukip-jeremy-zeid-harrow-london_n_5409141.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:


So you admit that the majority of tower hamlets is Asians from Bangladesh

Sounds like tower hamlets has been ethnically cleansed of white British


Oh fuck me, so if people move, that means people have been ethnically cleansed?

 ://?roflmao?/: 


Tower Hamlets is one part of London and you sound just like this UKIP idiot candidate:


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/29/ukip-jeremy-zeid-harrow-london_n_5409141.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Moving is one thing but an entire area demographically altered by social engineering is ethnic cleansing

Ps I noticed how defensive you were about the difference between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis

Fuzz muck was also very particular about that distinction

You sure you're not a paki??

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:11 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:


Oh fuck me, so if people move, that means people have been ethnically cleansed?

 ://?roflmao?/: 


Tower Hamlets is one part of London and you sound just like this UKIP idiot candidate:


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/29/ukip-jeremy-zeid-harrow-london_n_5409141.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Moving is one thing but an entire area demographically altered by social engineering is ethnic cleansing

Ps I noticed how defensive you were about the difference between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis

Fuzz muck was also very particular about that distinction

You sure you're not a paki??



Defensive?

 ://?roflmao?/: 

Now you really are getting desperate and moving so far away from the debate, it has made you reach new levels of stupidity mate

Ha Ha, how is showing you are clueless to the ethnic breakdown of Tower hamlets defensive?

PMSL, mate people moving to an area, is because people do, it is not social engineering, as do South Africans who have moved here, congregate together in areas of London?


take your time

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Of course you're defensive

Everyone knows that when you get irritated and defensive you make excessive use of the laughing smilie to cover it up

Bottom line is that you feel the need to make a distinction which suggest a personal investment if you were white chances are you would not know the difference between a Bangladeshi and a Pakistani same way I can't tell the difference between a Brit and a Aussie by sight alone

Freudian slip didge??


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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:21 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:Of course you're defensive

Everyone knows that when you get irritated and defensive you make excessive use of the laughing smilie to cover it up

Bottom line is that you feel the need to make a distinction which suggest a personal investment if you were white chances are you would not know the difference between a Bangladeshi and a Pakistani same way I can't tell the difference between a Brit and a Aussie by sight alone

Freudian slip didge??


Oh my so as seen it shows you stereotype now Asians in this country as Pakistani, I would not make the same mistake, because as stated you cannot tell the difference, but you made that distinction by stating Pakistanis in Tower Hamlets, thus as seen not defensive but showing up your poor racial stereotype, as all I did was look up this when you posted that statement, to show you up

http://trialbyjeory.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/2011-census-bengalis-now-largest-group-in-tower-hamlets-but-theres-a-but/

So all your argument is now down to if I am a Pakistani, which I am sure my Irish Mother even now 80 would be on the floor laughing at how stupid and desperate you are in this debate to argue on a point ou actually started with as seen a stereotype where as seen you have nothing else to offer.

Oh my, please do continue

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Post by Fred Fri May 30, 2014 2:21 pm

Didge immigration to bring in necessary skills is one thing the mass importation of millions of unskilled is another.

Every advanced Western nation like Australia Canada etc has a policy based on points based on skills and family relations. Labour sought to forever change the make up of this country in a manner which was far from sensitive and indeed has created ghettos particularly Muslims who see us non Muslims as somehow less than.

That I think you are a dick and that everybody else does left and right is simply a statement of fact.

That you are such a dick you cannot accept that fact shows just what a complete wanker you are.

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:26 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:Didge immigration to bring in necessary skills is one thing the mass importation of millions of unskilled is another.
Evidence to your claim?

Every advanced Western nation like Australia Canada etc has a policy based on points based on skills and family relations. Labour sought to forever change the make up of this country in a manner which was far from sensitive and indeed has created ghettos particularly Muslims who see us non Muslims as somehow less than.

That I think you are a dick and that everybody else does left and right is simply a statement of fact.

That you are such a dick you cannot accept that fact shows just what a complete wanker you are.


So again no evidence and now claims to posters on me which has no argument to the debate and just makes me laugh at you even more.
Bless, do you need a crane to get you out of the chair to get to the bathroom?
So you want to get personal
So most people on here think you are actually a homophobic prick, you even got ousted on inaflap for using others forum names, yet are such a weasel to not own up to this which makes you in the same league as catman really, you have now reached his level

Well done on that, give yourself a pat on the back

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Post by Fred Fri May 30, 2014 2:36 pm

What a knob. Labour did not have an immigration policy based on a points system that is well known and it was nothing like Australia or Canada. Are you suggesting otherwise????

Now tell me how respected you are by the right on here and how the left saw you off on Victors forum. You are a dick. BTW I'm not a homophobe I'm a Philagain phobe and any post that may be interepreted as Homophobic were simply meant to wind the little prick since he did nothing but wind others. Indeed I read he has left.

You and he could form a new Little and Large Big Dick and Little Prick. Laughing 

If you really think that Politicians ignoring genuine concerns of the electorate is a good idea as long as they agree with your views then really how do you expect to be taken seriously.

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 2:42 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:What a knob. Labour did not have an immigration policy based on a points system that is well known and it was nothing like Australia or Canada. Are you suggesting otherwise????

Now tell me how respected you are by the right on here and how the left saw you off on Victors forum. You are a dick. BTW I'm not a homophobe I'm a Philagain phobe and any post that may be interepreted as Homophobic were simply meant to wind the little prick since he did nothing but wind others. Indeed I read he has left.

You and he could form a new Little and Large Big Dick and Little Prick. Laughing 

If you really think that Politicians ignoring genuine concerns of the electorate  is a good idea as long as they agree with your views then really how do you expect to be taken seriously.


So you admit you are Drinky, as how would Fred know that?

Fred and I never had any beef with each other

Opps

You use homophobic language against him, that then makes you utterly stupid to do so if you use it to get at someone.


I am not really concerned about peoples views on me, that has little relevance to my points and people fall out all the time and it was many people who stood up for me there against a certain few who ousted me which is now water under the bridge, as I move on and it is time you did, I was annoyed at you for using homophobic language which as seen was poor, you got annoyed because I told you as much and I stated it to you because I did once respect you, now all you seem to do is spout off at people all the time.

Time you moved on because I have nothing against you and never did, what I did have beef with was your poor choice to be homophobic towards a poster, that was poor


So you have no evidence to your claim many are unskilled

What a suprise

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Post by Fred Fri May 30, 2014 3:51 pm

You are a dick Didge you defend the indefensible and not particularly well or coherently. You said I ASF was homophobic I merely replied to that assertion.

You have all the evidence in the world to see uncontrolled immigration has put strains on:-

1 Infrastructure

2. Schools many of which are Towers of Babel

3. Housing. We have a critical shortage forcing up prices.

4. Health. The health service is creaking under the strain.

5. Welfare

6. Social cohesion. We have become les tolerant as Politicians not just ignored us they actually deceived us. Call yourself a Tory. No way if you pretend that Labour didn't have a secret agenda which even Labour insiders leaked.

&. Segregation. No not RW racist segregating the immigrants from us more Muslims segregating themselves of from us and importing their own systems of law etc.

Didge you are a DICK. I might add you are a limp dick and an defender of the indefensible. If you are a Tory then I am the Archbishop of Canterbury. You do a great impression of Irn Bru these days.

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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 4:06 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:You are a dick Didge you defend the indefensible and not particularly well or coherently.
So you still want to act like a pathetic child:
You have all the evidence in the world to see uncontrolled immigration has put strains on:-

1 Infrastructure

2. Schools many of which are Towers of Babel

3. Housing. We have a critical shortage forcing up prices.

4. Health. The health service is creaking under the strain.

5. Welfare

6. Social cohesion. We have become les tolerant as Politicians not just ignored us they actually deceived us. Call yourself a Tory. No way if you pretend that Labour didn't have a secret agenda which even Labour insiders leaked.

&. Segregation. No not RW racist segregating the immigrants from us more Muslims segregating themselves of from us and importing their own systems of law etc.

Didge you are a DICK.

Point 1) is a header for the next 3 points, how silly

Point 2 to 4 valid arguments, but not valid if you castigate as you are doing in point 6, which is an absurd view point, because as seen it was the British themselves that created mass immigration by not doing many of the low skilled jobs. Thus you negate the fact if people had and Labour did not have such a benefit system that benefited more to stay out of work then this would not have happened, so Labour are to blame as well for that as well as the people bemoaning mass immigration as many of them are these same people.

Drinky you act like a Child, most immigration has had good impacts to the UK and even without immigration there would be a year on year increase on housing shortages in excess of 250,000 plus, showing it is policies that need to change to accommodate this and is a problem without immigration, thus point moot as most immigrants are in rented accommodation making people like you richer or better off.
Welfare is a joke to claim to make out out welfare with as the amount as seen is tiny in the scheme of money, let alone most EU migrants are in employment more so though percentage wise than Brits and as seen the Tories have implemented measures to combat this small problem.

So again no reason to say why you cannot get along with immigrants which is what the thread is about, valid views only on some in regards to immigration creating infrastructure issues, but that is down to Governments to adjust to the increase required for many aspects of infrastructure needed, it is not the immigrants fault for wanting new lives here but are blamed constantly which as seen is wrong. So your argument is you are pissed about not being asked about people moving to this country and yet never ask to who is going to buy the house next door to you showing that view point is also absurd as you are not asked on many things but can always vote in an election. Did you also bemoan not being asked if people could leave these shores, being as it seems to be with you a one sided view point?


So as seen we are seeing no reason why people cannot get along with immigrants, when as seen many can, so the question is those who do not, is why?

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Post by nicko Fri May 30, 2014 4:12 pm

Labour deliberately let in any one who wanted to come here to, as they put it,"to rub the rights nose in it" , and to expect any one they let in would vote Labour.
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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 4:15 pm

nicko wrote:Labour deliberately let in any one who wanted to come here to, as they put it,"to rub the rights nose in it" , and to expect any one they let in would vote Labour.

They are to blame for the benefits culture, which led many Brits to not get jobs, so Brits are also to blame for not working, thus having employers seek outside the UK for workers on low paid skill work. You see back then when they first started to come many were not bothered, people did bemoan yes but not many. It only became a real major issue until after the banking disaster and unemployment rocketed and more people needed jobs because of this and as Immigrants had many they were blamed, which as seen it was wrong to blame them for only coming here for a new life.

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Post by nicko Fri May 30, 2014 4:24 pm

they come here for a good life ,but too many are coming!!!
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Post by Guest Fri May 30, 2014 4:29 pm

nicko wrote:they come here for a good life ,but too many are coming!!!


The world is getting more and more populated which is the real problem that needs to be resolved, not people saying you cannot come and live on my piece of land, because I was here first, because as seen millions leave here to move to many different pieces of land also.
Thus the point should be on people looking to sort the global problem, because tackling a local problem, does not stop the bigger problem of a global population rise. If you cut yourself off from others, they can replicate the same back to this country whilst trading still with the rest of the world. Thus we do not have the luxury to close the door fully on immigration  because we do not have the resources to support this country on its own.
Immigration needs controlling but not scapegoating them.

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Post by Fred Fri May 30, 2014 10:13 pm

Didge you are a Dick. However infrastructure relates to far more than Education housing or health service. I made additional brief points to accentuate the nightmare visited upon us by politicians who clearly have your mindset.

They were so busy social engineering they forgot the ramifications went far beyond merely getting multicultural nirvana.

BTW did I mention you are a quisling Dickhead

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Post by Guest Sat May 31, 2014 1:59 am

Alright said Fred wrote:Didge you are a Dick. However infrastructure relates to far more than Education housing or health service. I made additional brief points to accentuate the nightmare visited upon us by politicians who clearly have your mindset.

They were so busy social engineering they forgot the ramifications went far beyond merely getting multicultural nirvana.

BTW did I mention you are a quisling Dickhead

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What a sad little child who cannot debate but as seen throw his dummy out, as stated you now are even worse than Catman for being such a dick.

You made no points over than you are so childish as seen, never mind, because you failed to answer any points or even understand this was about integration and as seen you are still making yourself look even more stupid by claiming with have an occupying force.

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So all you can do is repeat you are catman, yes we know.

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