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Tommy Monk wrote:It isn't the same so calling it equal is a myth.
And it is you homosexuals who are the tiny minority.
Although your views are being forced onto the majority or else.....!
Welcome to democracy where minorities rule.

You're ranting matti are you drunk?

Equal does not mean the same, it means of equal standing and recognition- love is love   

Not ranting, not drunk, not even had a drink.
You have the right to do what ever you want behind closed doors with another consenting adult,but you don't have the right to make others think it is right/normal/natural or the same as a man and a woman.

Tommy Monk wrote:Not ranting, not drunk, not even had a drink.



You have the right to do what ever you want behind closed doors with another consenting adult,but you don't have the right to make others think it is right.

Do you have a problem if bunnies in your garden express love together?

Tommy, I know one good reason you hold the views you do on things like homosexuality, immigrants etc...you can not have put yourself in their shoes in the mind and try to imagine what bias and homophobia felt like ...if you did Tommy and gave it some real thought...

You wouldn't hold the views you do now.

Just because I say we have too many immigrants, and I'm not in favour of homosexual marriage, does not mean I hate anyone.



That's where you are confused.

Tommy Monk wrote:Just because I say we have too many immigrants, and I'm not in favour of homosexual marriage, does not mean I hate anyone.



That's where you are confused.

..but a lot if your posts imply being a homosexual is wrong and should not be accepted...

To not accept two people in love is not in itself exactly loving Tommy, if it were I set then I would see your point.

Tommy Monk wrote:Not ranting, not drunk, not even had a drink.
You have the right to do what ever you want behind closed doors with another consenting adult,but you don't have the right to make others think it is right/normal/natural or the same as a man and a woman.

I don't care what you think about my sexuality; what I do object to is how people like you wanted to stop people like me from marrying the person I love- that is then you directly imposing yourself on my life and my choices- that is illiberal authoritarianism.

Tommy Monk wrote:Just because I say we have too many immigrants, and I'm not in favour of homosexual marriage, does not mean I hate anyone.



That's where you are confused.

You are so totally confused.   

Tommy Monk wrote:Just because I say we have too many immigrants, and I'm not in favour of homosexual marriage, does not mean I hate anyone.



That's where you are confused.

May I ask Tommy,why you don't like homosexual marriage?

Marriage to me is, always has been and always will be between a man and a woman.

Tommy Monk wrote:Marriage to me is, always has been and always will be between a man and a woman.

Ok so what are men who love men and women who love women supposed to do then,if they want to show each other their devotion?

Did you approve of civil partnership at least?

Now you see Tommy...I recon these guys are right when they say you are "far right"

WHY are you "not in favour" of homosexual marriage?

does it harm you?
does it cause you any loss?

so why does it bother you...you are making rocks out of smoke....

yes we have a somewhat alarming number of immigrants...thanks to labour principally
but what would you do about it...
are you in favour of "pursuading them to leave....

how far back
by what means?

you see you are much akin to didge...HE is all ideas and principles...with no idea of how they should be....

YOU are all full of problems (real or imagined)...with no solution

Didge rather unfairly calls you a nazi....(actually he means "hitlerist" he has no idea of national socialism)

you are insufficiently nationalistic
and socialist not enough....

Tommy Monk wrote:Marriage to me is, always has been and always will be between a man and a woman.

Thats a very "abrahamic" view of the world Tommy.......

Tommy Monk wrote:You won nothing, it was a corruptigm of the sanctity of marriage and of democracy.

Pure jealousy and hate from the gay supremacists who hate everything they can never be and hate what they are even more

I pity them

And you with a gay brother. Tut tut

Sassy wrote:And you with a gay brother.   Tut tut

Who has a catholic partner that opposes gay marriage

What a homophobia that gay is

What?

Oh you mean your gay brother has a catholic partner, who is so stunted by his religion and the catholic views on it that he doesn't love your brother enough to defy the church and to marry him.   Yep, Catholicism will do that to many.

Tommy Monk wrote:You won nothing, it was a corruptigm of the sanctity of marriage and of democracy.

If you feel that way do you think we should have laws in place in how homosexuals are dealt with like they have in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia?

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:And you with a gay brother.   Tut tut

Who has a catholic partner that opposes gay marriage

What a homophobia that gay is

Haha, another new slice of (convenient) information- he opposes gay marriage, just works so well for you doesn't it   

smelly_bandit wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You won nothing, it was a corruptigm of the sanctity of marriage and of democracy.

Pure jealousy and hate from the gay supremacists who hate everything they can never be and hate what they are even more

I pity them

I don't understand why you think its other people consumed with 'jealousy and hate' when it clearly you who is very angry.

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You won nothing, it was a corruptigm of the sanctity of marriage and of democracy.

If you feel that way do you think we should have laws in place in how homosexuals are dealt with like they have in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia?

Someone educate me,how are gay people 'dealt with' in such countries?

Killed no doubt.

Eilzel wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Who has a catholic partner that opposes gay marriage

What a homophobia that gay is

Haha, another new slice of (convenient) information- he opposes gay marriage, just works so well for you doesn't it   

I think you mean inconvenient for you

I doesn't affect me one way or the other since I have no restrictions on me getting married in church, and I won't ever see gays being married in church as legit, to me you will always be sad jealous wannabes who are nevergonnabe

Pathetic really

What I think you struggle with is that not all gays are militant supremacists like you

smelly_bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Haha, another new slice of (convenient) information- he opposes gay marriage, just works so well for you doesn't it   

I think you mean inconvenient for you

I doesn't affect me one way or the other since I have no restrictions on me getting married in church, and I won't ever see gays being married in church as legit, to me you will always be sad jealous wannabes who are nevergonnabe

Pathetic really

What I think you struggle with is that not all gays are militant supremacists like you

I know you're addressing my posts but I think your views are repellent.
Wouldn't you be milltant if you wanted to be treated equally? Whats all this nonsense that gay people should be meek and quiet?

I don't think gay people are jealous that they are not treated equally,I think they are fed up of it certainly and angry about it and why shouldn't they be?

I remember my dad's views on homosexuals, "as long as they don't frighten the horses they can please themselves what they do" . I go along with that.

nicko wrote:I remember my dad's views on homosexuals, "as long as they don't frighten the horses they can please themselves what they do" . I go along with that.

Most refreshing Nicko especially since according to Farage you are allowed to be as homophobic as you want due to your age.. !!

nicko wrote:I remember my dad's views on homosexuals, "as long as they don't frighten the horses they can please themselves what they do" . I go along with that.

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

victorisnotamused wrote:Now you see Tommy...I recon these guys are right when they say you are "far right"
WHY are you "not in favour" of homosexual marriage?
does it harm you?
does it cause you any loss?
so why does it bother you...you are making rocks out of smoke....
yes we have a somewhat alarming number of immigrants...thanks to labour principally
but what would you do about it...
are you in favour of "pursuading them to leave....
how far back
by what means?
you see you are much akin to didge...HE is all ideas and principles...with no idea of how they should be....
YOU are all full of problems (real or imagined)...with no solution
Didge rather unfairly calls you a nazi....(actually he means "hitlerist" he has no idea of national socialism)
you are insufficiently nationalistic
and socialist not enough....

I have explained my view on homosexuality on other Farage thread.


The question about what to do about immigration is a debate that needs to happen, but first we need the lefties to stop living in denial and actually admit there are problems!


Now I don't claim to have all the answers, but a couple of obvious ones would be stop/strictly limit more coming in, strengthen deportation for illegals/visa overstayers/criminals/scroungers and others deemed national security risks.

So basically just proper enforcement of our existing rules!

How very 'far right' of me.....!


I believe in smaller govt, smaller state, getting rid of quangos, less taxes, but I am in favour of NHS (being national not international and abused by foreigners/health tourists), social security (although I think some get far too much), and I think other core and essential public services should remain publicly run.

 

VOTE EARLY, vote often !

        


"Tommy Monk(ey)" is living proof that one can't outlaw stupidity...

  

Fleakeeper, please debate points or fuck off!

Eilzel wrote:

nicko wrote:I remember my dad's views on homosexuals, "as long as they don't frighten the horses they can please themselves what they do" . I go along with that.

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Dumb associations??

Your king is a loud and proud peadophile and gay

FluffyBunny wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I think you mean inconvenient for you

I doesn't affect me one way or the other since I have no restrictions on me getting married in church, and I won't ever see gays being married in church as legit, to me you will always be sad jealous wannabes who are nevergonnabe

Pathetic really

What I think you struggle with is that not all gays are militant supremacists like you

I know you're addressing my posts but I think your views are repellent.
Wouldn't you be milltant if you wanted to be treated equally? Whats all this nonsense that gay people should be meek and quiet?

I don't think gay people are jealous that they are not treated equally,I think they are fed up of it certainly and angry about it and why shouldn't they be?

This is Awkward!!

You whining in my good ear about my views and me ignoring you

smelly_bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Dumb associations??

Your king is a loud and proud peadophile and gay

Poor stereotype, as now you declare someone has a king, just because the person you speak off speaks about gay issues in the presss, not only an absurd observation but ridiculous, taking a view point that because Eilzel is gay that he agrees with everything he says.

Ridiculous association, hence why not all BNP supporters are racist for example, but in your case we know you are racist!

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:And you with a gay brother.   Tut tut

Who has a catholic partner that opposes gay marriage

What a homophobia that gay is

Unbelievable Smelly!

smelly_bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Dumb associations??

Your king is a loud and proud peadophile and gay

Typical homophobic post and pathetic argument.

Eilzel wrote:

nicko wrote:I remember my dad's views on homosexuals, "as long as they don't frighten the horses they can please themselves what they do" . I go along with that.

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Absolutely Les, madness Fortunately most people are much more accepting of people's right to live their lives in their own way, love who they fall in love with and demonstrate that lifetime commitment by getting married and having their friends and family share in their happiness.  Why people spend so much time worrying and objecting to things which don't have any effect on their own lives is beyond me.

victorisnotamused wrote:Now you see Tommy...I recon these guys are right when they say you are "far right"

WHY are you "not in favour" of homosexual marriage?

does it harm you?
does it cause you any loss?

so why does it bother you...you are making rocks out of smoke....

yes we have a somewhat alarming number of immigrants...thanks to labour principally
but what would you do about it...
are you in favour of "pursuading them to leave....

how far back
by what means?

you see you are much akin to didge...HE is all ideas and principles...with no idea of how they should be....

YOU are all full of problems (real or imagined)...with no solution

Didge rather unfairly calls you a nazi....(actually he means "hitlerist"  he has no idea of national socialism)

you are insufficiently nationalistic
and socialist not enough....

That shows how also Victor likes to interpret National socialism to his own ideas and not what is constituted as National Socialism itself, how always Victor tries to play on words and ends up looking poor in even understanding a concept, where now it was Hitler that abused national socialism, yes I have read all this garbage before Victor because again one of the main areas of my study was National Socialism, because you of this ilk do not think places like Nazi Germany were actually racist compared to the west. Yes I have read this daft assertions before in regarding so called non-Hitler National Socialists. Yes racism was throughout the world, but what is more interesting is how you perceive Muslims, because understanding other national socialists as by their understanding I know of this different concept of National Socialism that people have later interpreted, is that Muslims are seen as allies by default, who are seen as the fight against Zionists to this crazy perception National socialists idiots have.

So yes I understand your interpretation to what you think National Socialism is Victor, because you take a concept and design it to your own beliefs to fit. Basically the view you have is one of and basically you are trying to define National Socialism based off two concepts to make your own, where it still shares similar principles to that used by the Nazi's themselves and there is no denying that Hitler was the creator of the real first National Socialist movement whether your views differ to his or not. Your concepts are based upon a belief that nature shows differences between races, yes I have read all this babble myself before, more likely long before you cam upon the concept and how you posses a view to love what you define as "your" people which is for all intents and purpose still racial. You even once argued with me on races being different until I exposed actually biologically they were the same race, which you once thought was bullshit, but your beliefs even if you poorly try to mask them are based upon more of an Aryan belief, it does not mean you wish to harm or kill other races, but that your or what you count as your own race be left to be as one. The basic argument you have is of a perception of what you class as defending your own kind, this is why when ever I ask you to define an English identity you always shy away from answering, because I know exactly as how you perceive an English identity.

Basically you have made what Hitler created your own, yet with only small differences, you do not believe in genocide or that you view homosexuals as wrong, but you still share many of the same principles.  


Maybe it was time you started being actually honest about your views, because clearly I know them very well, you are just not being honest to the forum about them

David wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Who has a catholic partner that opposes gay marriage

What a homophobia that gay is

Unbelievable Smelly!

alas dave

for some the truth is too bitter a pill to swallow

feelthelove wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Absolutely Les, madness Fortunately most people are much more accepting of people's right to live their lives in their own way, love who they fall in love with and demonstrate that lifetime commitment by getting married and having their friends and family share in their happiness.  Why people spend so much time worrying and objecting to things which don't have any effect on their own lives is beyond me.

I wonder the same myself; but it seems for some the hate is all consuming x

David wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Dumb associations??

Your king is a loud and proud peadophile and gay

Typical homophobic post and pathetic argument.

its homophobic to say that peter thatchell is gay??

or are you saying its homophobic to say that tatchell is a peadophile?

i thought you guys argued that pedophilia and homosexuality were not linked and yet here you link them

i bet you haven't been this confused since you were in the closet eh??

feelthelove wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Absolutely Les, madness Fortunately most people are much more accepting of people's right to live their lives in their own way, love who they fall in love with and demonstrate that lifetime commitment by getting married and having their friends and family share in their happiness.  Why people spend so much time worrying and objecting to things which don't have any effect on their own lives is beyond me.

what do you feel strongly about??

or are you one of these people who are so empty that you will fight the corner o an stray that comes along??

come on FLT lets see how you react to having something you value trashed and then lets see if youre willing to sacrifice your values in order to be more "accepting of people's right to live their lives in their own way"

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:

Typical homophobic post and pathetic argument.

its homophobic to say that peter thatchell is gay??

or are you saying its homophobic to say that tatchell is a peadophile?

i thought you guys argued that pedophilia and homosexuality were not linked and yet here you link them  

i bet you haven't been this confused since you were in the closet eh??

Again a daft association you yourself are making off the view of one homosexual


You also do not understand the difference between Ephebophilia and Paedophilia.

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:

Typical homophobic post and pathetic argument.

its homophobic to say that peter thatchell is gay??

or are you saying its homophobic to say that tatchell is a peadophile?

i thought you guys argued that pedophilia and homosexuality were not linked and yet here you link them  

i bet you haven't been this confused since you were in the closet eh??

You say you have a gay brother and you spew all this garbage? Yeah right little Boer xx

feelthelove wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Nice to hear that nicko; the problem is some people are extremely vocal in telling gay people they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and in making dumb associations with paedophilia..

Absolutely Les, madness Fortunately most people are much more accepting of people's right to live their lives in their own way, love who they fall in love with and demonstrate that lifetime commitment by getting married and having their friends and family share in their happiness.  Why people spend so much time worrying and objecting to things which don't have any effect on their own lives is beyond me.

Agreed.As long as people don't hurt others they can do what they wish. Gay people who choose to get married are not hurting other people.

So much hatred towards gay people has gone on for too long.It's draining,It's needless. It's based in fear.

David wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

its homophobic to say that peter thatchell is gay??

or are you saying its homophobic to say that tatchell is a peadophile?

i thought you guys argued that pedophilia and homosexuality were not linked and yet here you link them  

i bet you haven't been this confused since you were in the closet eh??

You say you have a gay brother and you spew all this garbage?  Yeah right little Boer xx

dave dave dave

you need to calm down kiddo

not every single gay man is as emotionally insecure as you are

my brother already knows how i feel about gay marriage in church, we had a discussion about it and moved on, he didnt have the kind of meltdown you have every time you see me post

he is a lot more mentally mature and robust than you are - he can actually handle the fact that people have different opinions and doesn't try and stifle those opinions by shrieking "homophobia" every five seconds

he is a hundred times the man you will ever be

so do us all a favour

grow the fuck up and stop acting like a little victim

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:

You say you have a gay brother and you spew all this garbage?  Yeah right little Boer xx

dave dave dave

you need to calm down kiddo

not every single gay man is as emotionally insecure as you are

my brother already knows how i feel about gay marriage in church, we had a discussion about it and moved on, he didnt have the kind of meltdown you have every time you see me post

he is a lot more mentally mature and robust than you are - he can actually handle the fact that people have different opinions and doesn't try and stifle those opinions by shrieking "homophobia" every five seconds

he is a hundred times the man you will ever be

so do us all a favour

grow the fuck up and stop acting like a little victim

Yes i am sure he would love some of the views you say on here to homosexuals and I am sure also he is name is Peter Pan if you think he would not be appalled at some of the lame associations you place on homosexuals here, because lets face it there are poor and also appalling.
I bet you do not debate such a topic that way with your brother and are sensitive to the fact he is homosexual, but then many South Africans are also very religious, so no doubt there is a religious aspect to why they may be against gay marriage, not understanding religion later came to adapt marriage into its ceremonies. That shows a religious and cultural influence may have played a part on that view.


I agree on one thing, your brother sounds a hundred times more of a man than you

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:

You say you have a gay brother and you spew all this garbage?  Yeah right little Boer xx

dave dave dave

you need to calm down kiddo

not every single gay man is as emotionally insecure as you are

my brother already knows how i feel about gay marriage in church, we had a discussion about it and moved on, he didnt have the kind of meltdown you have every time you see me post

he is a lot more mentally mature and robust than you are - he can actually handle the fact that people have different opinions and doesn't try and stifle those opinions by shrieking "homophobia" every five seconds

he is a hundred times the man you will ever be

so do us all a favour

grow the fuck up and stop acting like a little victim

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah right. I have hit a nerve.

David wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

dave dave dave

you need to calm down kiddo

not every single gay man is as emotionally insecure as you are

my brother already knows how i feel about gay marriage in church, we had a discussion about it and moved on, he didnt have the kind of meltdown you have every time you see me post

he is a lot more mentally mature and robust than you are - he can actually handle the fact that people have different opinions and doesn't try and stifle those opinions by shrieking "homophobia" every five seconds

he is a hundred times the man you will ever be

so do us all a favour

grow the fuck up and stop acting like a little victim

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah right.  I have hit a nerve.  

um ok

if it makes you feel better about being you

the one problem i do have is that my brother has to be labelled in the same category as a creature like you

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah right.  I have hit a nerve.  

um ok

if it makes you feel better about being you

the one problem i do have is that my brother has to be labelled in the same category as a creature like you

Humans are creatures, again how absurd

humans are creatures??

Oh my, ha ha ha ha