Is it ever ok to use the N word?

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I am debating elsewhere about the use of the N word and what has shocked me is the overwhelming majority seem to think white people should be able to say the N word if black people choose to.

Firstly,I would never dream of using the N word personally,it just isn't part of my vocab.Secondly if some black people want to use the N word to reclaim it and take away its power that's their business,not mine.It doesn't mean I should be able to use it.

Others however seem to believe that if black people are allowed to use an offensive term( i.e in hip hop and rap music) then they are wrong and obstructing peace between people of different ethnicities by continuing to use the word.

Well,I think that black people who do choose to use that word are permitted to do so and it is not white people's place to comment,let alone judge! They are attempting to take away the power of the word and what it once was symbolic of,slavery and repression and hate.

I think white people who judge black people for saying it are outrageous.Just wondered what other forum members think.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

So JD is absolutely right then- whatever anyone says, however someone says the exact contrary to what you are saying, even here in the case of an attackers own words; you will deny it is really homophobia, or racism. So this is hardly a real discussion; you will just argue the very facts as they stare you in the face.

I have given you one example from this month; there are similar attacks happening all the time all over the word and just occasionally in this country, but still too much.  They admit it was homophobic. Now I'm not going to find more because you will just claim they are only saying it, which is bollocks, this is clearly a homophobic attack, which will happen as long as homophobic attitudes like that of the former UKIP candidate continue to exist.

No problem Eli - we'll agree to disagree.

Whatever; this isn't about agreeing or not this is about you making a statement which is proven wrong. You want to be wrong on things that is your right   

It is my belief that these crims were just out to beat him up and nick his phone. They did not do that because he was gay.

However, because he was gay, they couldn't help shouting something offensive, because they are criminal, underclass scum.

However again, we all know that if you shout something at certain communities whilst committing a crime, it will be considered a hate crime and given more attention by the authorities.

Case solved.

Serial offenders Kallum Crosby, 20 – who had been released from prison just one day earlier – and Jamie Norris, 22, attacked the victim in January this year because of his sexual orientation.

During the hearing, prosecutor Philip Standfast spoke of how the pair followed the victim, before trying to grab his phone.

They then told the man, who had left a club after a dispute with his partner, that he was “going nowhere” – before rifling through his pockets and shouting “You fucking queer!”

BigAndy9 wrote:It is my belief that these crims were just out to beat him up and nick his phone.  They did not do that because he was gay.

However, because he was gay, they couldn't help shouting something offensive, because they are criminal, underclass scum.

However again, we all know that if you shout something at certain communities whilst committing a crime, it will be considered a hate crime and given more attention by the authorities.

Case solved.

Serial offenders Kallum Crosby, 20 – who had been released from prison just one day earlier – and Jamie Norris, 22, attacked the victim in January this year because of his sexual orientation.

During the hearing, prosecutor Philip Standfast spoke of how the pair followed the victim, before trying to grab his phone.

They then told the man, who had left a club after a dispute with his partner, that he was “going nowhere” – before rifling through his pockets and shouting “You fucking queer!”

Yes; and then it says they went to a takeaway an ADMITTED they attacked the man BECAUSE he was gay- what part of that is not getting through that considerably thick skull of yours?

Eilzel wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:It is my belief that these crims were just out to beat him up and nick his phone.  They did not do that because he was gay.

However, because he was gay, they couldn't help shouting something offensive, because they are criminal, underclass scum.

However again, we all know that if you shout something at certain communities whilst committing a crime, it will be considered a hate crime and given more attention by the authorities.

Case solved.

Serial offenders Kallum Crosby, 20 – who had been released from prison just one day earlier – and Jamie Norris, 22, attacked the victim in January this year because of his sexual orientation.

During the hearing, prosecutor Philip Standfast spoke of how the pair followed the victim, before trying to grab his phone.

They then told the man, who had left a club after a dispute with his partner, that he was “going nowhere” – before rifling through his pockets and shouting “You fucking queer!”

Yes; and then it says they went to a takeaway an ADMITTED they attacked the man BECAUSE he was gay- what part of that is not getting through that considerably thick skull of yours?

His ability to attempt to defend the indefensible?

BigAndy9 wrote:It is my belief that these crims were just out to beat him up and nick his phone.  They did not do that because he was gay.

However, because he was gay, they couldn't help shouting something offensive, because they are criminal, underclass scum.

However again, we all know that if you shout something at certain communities whilst committing a crime, it will be considered a hate crime and given more attention by the authorities.

Case solved.

Serial offenders Kallum Crosby, 20 – who had been released from prison just one day earlier – and Jamie Norris, 22, attacked the victim in January this year because of his sexual orientation.

During the hearing, prosecutor Philip Standfast spoke of how the pair followed the victim, before trying to grab his phone.

They then told the man, who had left a club after a dispute with his partner, that he was “going nowhere” – before rifling through his pockets and shouting “You fucking queer!”

Andy..people who insult ,show hatred and violence toward gay , black people or Muslims etc are scum..

They are no better than a common thief, I would say far worse tbh.

Racists= Scum
Homophobes who persecute gay folk=Scum.

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Yes; and then it says they went to a takeaway an ADMITTED they attacked the man BECAUSE he was gay- what part of that is not getting through that considerably thick skull of yours?

His ability to defend the indefensible?

It is an absolute farce; I can't believe people defend people like him as not being bigots. Fucking joke   

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


His ability to defend the indefensible?

It is an absolute farce; I can't believe people defend people like him as not being bigots. Fucking joke   

Mate you do best as you do here by showing up his ignorance, that is far easier to do and leaves that poster looking rather silly, so all be told glad he again exposed how simple he is, and for that we need to at least be sympathetic as he cannot help being simple, so lets not be too harsh.

 ::D:: 

Andy is choosing to ignore the facts..and your loving it Andy.

That's really how it is.

Joy Division wrote:Andy is choosing to ignore the facts..and your loving it Andy.

That's really how it is.

No he sadly thinks he is being smart and yet no matter how he tries it has the opposite affect

Speaks volumes

At least that guy didn't die. I couldn't believe that business about the two girls and a guy killing a gay man in London by stamping on him. They were convicted of manslaughter FFS.

Raggamuffin wrote:At least that guy didn't die. I couldn't believe that business about the two girls and a guy killing a gay man in London by stamping on him. They were convicted of manslaughter FFS.

I remember, only about 4 years ago I think in Trafalgar Square- disgraceful   

Eilzel wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:At least that guy didn't die. I couldn't believe that business about the two girls and a guy killing a gay man in London by stamping on him. They were convicted of manslaughter FFS.

I remember, only about 4 years ago I think in Trafalgar Square- disgraceful   

I know! How was that not murder? That really annoyed me.

Didge wrote:

Joy Division wrote:Andy is choosing to ignore the facts..and your loving it Andy.

That's really how it is.

No he sadly thinks he is being smart and yet no matter how he tries it has the opposite affect

Speaks volumes

I know Didge and I'm really disappointed, he even tried to drag my toddler into things yesterday, I often tolerated some of the stuff he says regarding constant opting about foreign criminals, but my view of him has plummeted since his cheap shot yesterday.



Really poor sport.

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:Some might say they are just words.
What is in a word anyway?

I'll be perfectly honest, I've been called names and I couldn't give a stuff up a turkey's arse.
Black people have called me Honkey, white trash, white meat.....who cares?

They're just words really.

It's like I said way back: you could find the word Frogturd offensive if you choose to.

Yeah all those slavers and later KKK members were using the word n---er as a term of endearment; and the nutters who use the word faggot when decrying gays the right to marry or even claim we should be criminalized, they just see it as a word of description, it's the rest of us who are being over sensitive right?...

And slut; whore; b---h; slag etc, not demeaning words for women at all   

Les all I'm saying is that people who do that and say those things are so beneath you, so beneath contempt, that it it shouldn't matter!

I know how words can hurt because people tell me that they do. I've been called names but I just couldn't care less. I really couldn't.

I wish I could make you not care less and make you see that these scumbags who have said those things to you are just not worth even hearing   

I sorry, I wasn't being under-sensitive, or I wasn't meaning to be! I was trying to belittle the meaning of what people say as just a few letters thrown together.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:Some might say they are just words.
What is in a word anyway?

I'll be perfectly honest, I've been called names and I couldn't give a stuff up a turkey's arse.
Black people have called me Honkey, white trash, white meat.....who cares?

They're just words really.

It's like I said way back: you could find the word Frogturd offensive if you choose to.

Yeah all those slavers and later KKK members were using the word n---er as a term of endearment; and the nutters who use the word faggot when decrying gays the right to marry or even claim we should be criminalized, they just see it as a word of description, it's the rest of us who are being over sensitive right?...

And slut; whore; b---h; slag etc, not demeaning words for women at all   

Les all I'm saying is that people who do that and say those things are so beneath you, so beneath contempt, that it it shouldn't matter!

I know how words can hurt because people tell me that they do. I've been called names but I just couldn't  care less. I really couldn't.

I wish I could make you not care less and make you see that these scumbags who have said those things to you are just not worth even hearing   

I sorry, I wasn't being under-sensitive, or I wasn't meaning to be! I was trying to belittle the meaning of what people say as just a few letters thrown together.

I'm sorry, I think there's more to it than that. I think the public dialogue on this sort of thing helps people learn, especially the young, and that it's important to keep it up so that people can be informed. I promise that racists, sexists and homophobes aren't going to stop trying to persuade more people to agree with them, and to vote to support their policy preferences.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Yeah all those slavers and later KKK members were using the word n---er as a term of endearment; and the nutters who use the word faggot when decrying gays the right to marry or even claim we should be criminalized, they just see it as a word of description, it's the rest of us who are being over sensitive right?...

And slut; whore; b---h; slag etc, not demeaning words for women at all   

Les all I'm saying is that people who do that and say those things are so beneath you, so beneath contempt, that it it shouldn't matter!

I know how words can hurt because people tell me that they do. I've been called names but I just couldn't  care less. I really couldn't.

I wish I could make you not care less and make you see that these scumbags who have said those things to you are just not worth even hearing   

I sorry, I wasn't being under-sensitive, or I wasn't meaning to be! I was trying to belittle the meaning of what people say as just a few letters thrown together.

Yes tell that to people driven to suicide, because all they get daily is abuse Eddie.

What you may think is acceptable or just to ignore and your ability to deal with is different to anyone and what you fail to understand is that such abuse left unchecked like a virus grows with hate to others, again so much so we have seen such unparalleled hate before against Jews, Slavs, homosexuals etc being classed and called subhuman. Where did those names lead to Eddie, where does always such hate lead to if left unchecked?


They are worth hearing for the sake of showing them to be wrong ad to prevent such harm and hate ever being aloud to spread again.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Yeah all those slavers and later KKK members were using the word n---er as a term of endearment; and the nutters who use the word faggot when decrying gays the right to marry or even claim we should be criminalized, they just see it as a word of description, it's the rest of us who are being over sensitive right?...

And slut; whore; b---h; slag etc, not demeaning words for women at all   

Les all I'm saying is that people who do that and say those things are so beneath you, so beneath contempt, that it it shouldn't matter!

I know how words can hurt because people tell me that they do. I've been called names but I just couldn't  care less. I really couldn't.

I wish I could make you not care less and make you see that these scumbags who have said those things to you are just not worth even hearing   

I sorry, I wasn't being under-sensitive, or I wasn't meaning to be! I was trying to belittle the meaning of what people say as just a few letters thrown together.

I actually agree with your first comment there Eds. And these things don't bother me day to day. BUT; if people will defend inequality or oppose equality measures AND use such words, THEN I will say something. As didge says people say these things; call black people niggers and gay people faggots in one breath, claiming proudly it is their RIGHT to say so; then the next they say all blacks are more likely to be criminals and gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry their loved ones- THAT is why I hate this stuff.  Also; in places like Russia and Iran I bet words like faggot carry a lot more dread and fear for gay people than they may do here.

Bigotry still exists; it is real; and names may mean nothing in themselves but what they are attached to is a matter of life, and indeed death for some people in some places.

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Les all I'm saying is that people who do that and say those things are so beneath you, so beneath contempt, that it it shouldn't matter!

I know how words can hurt because people tell me that they do. I've been called names but I just couldn't  care less. I really couldn't.

I wish I could make you not care less and make you see that these scumbags who have said those things to you are just not worth even hearing   

I sorry, I wasn't being under-sensitive, or I wasn't meaning to be! I was trying to belittle the meaning of what people say as just a few letters thrown together.

I actually agree with your first comment there Eds. And these things don't bother me day to day. BUT; if people will defend inequality or oppose equality measures AND use such words, THEN I will say something. As didge says people say these things; call black people niggers and gay people faggots in one breath, claiming proudly it is their RIGHT to say so; then the next they say all blacks are more likely to be criminals and gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry their loved ones- THAT is why I hate this stuff.  Also; in places like Russia and Iran I bet words like faggot carry a lot more dread and fear for gay people than they may do here.

Bigotry still exists; it is real; and names may mean nothing in themselves but what they are attached to is a matter of life, and indeed death for some people in some places.

Absolutely spot on!

Sassy wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

I actually agree with your first comment there Eds. And these things don't bother me day to day. BUT; if people will defend inequality or oppose equality measures AND use such words, THEN I will say something. As didge says people say these things; call black people niggers and gay people faggots in one breath, claiming proudly it is their RIGHT to say so; then the next they say all blacks are more likely to be criminals and gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry their loved ones- THAT is why I hate this stuff.  Also; in places like Russia and Iran I bet words like faggot carry a lot more dread and fear for gay people than they may do here.

Bigotry still exists; it is real; and names may mean nothing in themselves but what they are attached to is a matter of life, and indeed death for some people in some places.

Absolutely spot on!  

Thanks Sass

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Les all I'm saying is that people who do that and say those things are so beneath you, so beneath contempt, that it it shouldn't matter!

I know how words can hurt because people tell me that they do. I've been called names but I just couldn't  care less. I really couldn't.

I wish I could make you not care less and make you see that these scumbags who have said those things to you are just not worth even hearing   

I sorry, I wasn't being under-sensitive, or I wasn't meaning to be! I was trying to belittle the meaning of what people say as just a few letters thrown together.

I actually agree with your first comment there Eds. And these things don't bother me day to day. BUT; if people will defend inequality or oppose equality measures AND use such words, THEN I will say something. As didge says people say these things; call black people niggers and gay people faggots in one breath, claiming proudly it is their RIGHT to say so; then the next they say all blacks are more likely to be criminals and gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry their loved ones- THAT is why I hate this stuff.  Also; in places like Russia and Iran I bet words like faggot carry a lot more dread and fear for gay people than they may do here.

Bigotry still exists; it is real; and names may mean nothing in themselves but what they are attached to is a matter of life, and indeed death for some people in some places.

Les,your damn well right to stand up to idiots saying such ridiculous things as black folk are more likely to steal than white etc..then they come up with 'statistics ' ...which are based upon nothing but certain areas perhaps being predominantly populated by blacks...just utter bullshit to try to justify their hatred for blacks, gay people etc,

Your of sound mind Les, anyone saying otherwise is talking nonsense and know deep down you've rumbled them for their hatred.

Nice one , keep up the good work Les

Of course I understand all of that. I understand that words spread a disease called Hatred.

I was more speaking to you personally actually Les.

eddie wrote:Of course I understand all of that. I understand that words spread a disease called Hatred.

I was more speaking to you personally actually Les.

You mean you were excusing again people being wrong and trying to defend them, yes we know Eddie.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:Of course I understand all of that. I understand that words spread a disease called Hatred.

I was more speaking to you personally actually Les.

You mean you were excusing again people being wrong and trying to defend them, yes we know Eddie.  

No.
If I was, I'd have said.

I think you're a little distressed didge.
Perhaps time to log off.

These are the times you misread and misquote and I choose to ignore you.

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


You mean you were excusing again people being wrong and trying to defend them, yes we know Eddie.  

No.
If I was, I'd have said.

I think you're a little distressed didge.
Perhaps time to log off.

These are the times you misread and misquote and I choose to ignore you.

I am fine Eddie, why do you retreat with copout views trying to be all innocent?
I see what you did here and now I know, no problem, have nothing against you but now know.
Anything to refute my points or are you going to avoid how you try to defend the indefensible again?

eddie wrote:Of course I understand all of that. I understand that words spread a disease called Hatred.

I was more speaking to you personally actually Les.

I appreciate that Eds; but how can I ignore the words when I know what lies behind them more often than not?

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:Of course I understand all of that. I understand that words spread a disease called Hatred.

I was more speaking to you personally actually Les.

I appreciate that Eds; but how can I ignore the words when I know what lies behind them more often than not?

I have explained all to you personally, by PM x