Using The N***** Word

Utah Teacher Punished For Using N-Word In Class
The teacher said he meant no harm by explaining the word’s history before showing the film 'Glory.'

A Utah school district made it clear that it’s never OK for teachers to use the N-word in the classroom. That’s why officials at the Weber School District said they took administrative action against a White teacher, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.

Holly Frye told the Associated Press that her 14-year-old son sat through a class in which history teacher Douglas Barker spent an entire period in April saying the word, while defining its meaning and history.

What was the context? The South Ogden Junior High teacher used the racially offensive word before showing his eighth-grade students the Civil War movie, Glory. The film is about a Union Army company of Black soldiers during the Civil War.

Barker explained to the AP that he wanted his students to understand why they would hear the N-word in the film and stated to them that the offensive word is inappropriate.

“My intent has never been to offend, only to teach for understanding with historical context,” Barker told the AP.

But Frye, who is Black, told the news wire that nothing in the curriculum permits Barker to discuss the racially charged word.

“If he were at a KKK rally, I guess that would be OK, but he’s in a public school system,” she told the AP.

She said her son now feels unsafe at school.

A school district spokesman stated to the AP that Barker violated its policy, but offered no details about his punishment, citing privacy rights issues. The spokesman also noted that Barker displayed the Confederate flag in his classroom last year, but voluntarily removed it.

Frye said the district didn’t go far enough. She wants all administrators to take sensitivity training and Barker fired. The teacher needs to be taught the lesson, she told the AP.

I have heard it used in American movies.

1. Link

2. It is NEVER ok

"She said her son now feels unsafe at school"

Why? He wasn't bullied, beaten or broken. He sat through a history lesson FFS!

And yes, if the teacher was trying to teach about WHY the word is so awful and was explaining about a film the pupils were about to see, why shouldn't he use it???

This is where you and I part company sassy; you don't know enough black people that think it's really important to educate people on the word and why it's so bad. It's an important part of their history.

Stop babying black people! It's THEIR history and THEIR story, and what use is it, if it's not told properly?

And this mum needs to sort out her life a bit. Stupid cow.


And a link please storm.

http://newsone.com/3427418/utah-teacher-punished-for-using-n-word-in-class/

This took place in South Ogden, UT...heart of LDS country. I would hazard to guess that it's a reflex action, because that is how things go in Mormon communities. They are complying with the form, and not understanding the intent of the principle.

eddie wrote:"She said her son now feels unsafe at school"

Why? He wasn't bullied, beaten or broken. He sat through a history lesson FFS!

And yes, if the teacher was trying to teach about WHY the word is so awful and was explaining about a film the pupils were about to see, why shouldn't he use it???

This is where you and I part company sassy; you don't know enough black people that think it's really important to educate people on the word and why it's so bad. It's an important part of their history.

Stop babying black people! It's THEIR history and THEIR story, and what use is it, if it's not told properly?

And this mum needs to sort out her life a bit. Stupid cow.


And a link please storm.

He could have said 'you will hear a word in the film that we don't use now and is not acceptable' and explained the significance, he didn't have to keep on repeating it.   And I do know lots of black people and agree that education is necessary to make people realise why it is unacceptable.   And they use it to take the sting out of it and that's their right.

It's a huge part of their history and the teacher doesn't call the boy a n---er - the mum made a complete hoo-ha out of the situation because she wanted to.

And where is the bloody link?

The word is so reviled now because it has a history.
I dont see the harm in explaining what that history is and why now it's totally unacceptable.......it's not as if the teacher was flinging the word round without context.

eddie wrote:It's a huge part of their history and the teacher doesn't call the boy a n---er - the mum made a complete hoo-ha out of the situation because she wanted to.

And where is the bloody link?  

LINK vs NO LINK...won't matter will it?

But Frye, who is Black, told the news wire that nothing in the curriculum permits Barker to discuss the racially charged word.

“If he were at a KKK rally, I guess that would be OK, but he’s in a public school system,” she told the AP.

She said her son now feels unsafe at school.

A school district spokesman stated to the AP that Barker violated its policy, but offered no details about his punishment, citing privacy rights issues. The spokesman also noted that Barker displayed the Confederate flag in his classroom last year, but voluntarily removed it.

CURRICULUM = school district's policy and what is pre-approved prior to school year start dates!  If in this 21st century these teachers don't grasp that #1 thing about 'you just DO NOT go up stream against CURRICULUM, and go FREE WHEELING IT', then that dumb-ass will be forever looking for another teaching position and might have to apply to some foreign country before he's accepted!

SERIOUSLY, that's why the superintendents/school  boards/teachers advisory boards go over those decisions every year that any NEW SCHOLASTIC material is suggested/offered up/provided to any classroom for the students.

Our English/Literature teacher was going to make the mistake of enforcing the Novel - Huck Finn for our Freshman English/Lit Class; out of our 22 students we had 2 blacks - kids that we'd all grown up with since little farts and this wasn't something that their folks wanted them to participate in reading - not in the classroom - not with the vulgar language {not just because of the 'N' word} they both were preacher kids! 

Well, push came to shove and the teacher was going to force them to leave the classroom and fail them both - so we all just refused to allow her to do that to them; we signed a petition - we presented it to the school board and the superintendent and had 3 other suggested novels for options to read and they voted to allow us to do that and thanked us for our decorum and thoughtfulness for our friends. 

That was 1969 --- curriculum --- it's an important issue and it has it's place.

the curriculum is dumb
it is a word, if it is used in context then there should not be a problem.

denying it and hiding it, fixes nothing.

veya_victaous wrote:the curriculum is dumb
it is a word, if it is used in context then there should not be a problem.

denying it and hiding it, fixes nothing.

That's how every single black person I know, think about it.
This woman wanted to have a problem so she found one. I bet she finds one often.

eddie wrote:It's a huge part of their history and the teacher doesn't call the boy a n---er - the mum made a complete hoo-ha out of the situation because she wanted to.

And where is the bloody link?  

Jesuschrist, eddie.  I posted it: http://newsone.com/3427418/utah-teacher-punished-for-using-n-word-in-class/

Syl wrote:The word is so reviled now because it has a history.
I dont see the harm in explaining what that history is and why now it's totally unacceptable.......it's not as if the teacher was flinging the word round without context.

This is the proper perspective.  It's part of history, why not teach it?

OP wrote:Frye, who is Black, told the news wire that nothing in the curriculum permits Barker to discuss the racially charged word.

Wrong.  The word is history.  I think to get beyond the    factor, you've got to confront it.
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veya_victaous wrote:the curriculum is dumb
it is a word, if it is used in context then there should not be a problem.

denying it and hiding it, fixes nothing.

Well, you aren't raised in this region of the world where the 'RACE ISSUE' is alive and well and just because 'YOU' few deem it just a 'WORD' and want to ignore the issue doesn't make the 'ISSUE' suddenly vaporize - if only! 

IF ONLY - if only the rational thinking humans would see that stigma is a highly contentious issue within any peer group in our public school system; whether it be hair color/body weight/most chic style of clothing/jock vs geek/runt vs giant/plain jane vs beauty queen/poor vs rich bitches --- the bullying is going on non-stop and providing another vile word within that peer group for a minority group of children is exactly WHY the curriculum is gone over with a fine toothed comb each and every year. 
Emotional hazards & external situations are always going to occur - never let it be generated from within the teaching establishment!

All unified schools promote 'anti-bullying campaigns' within their schools...and yet we read about some child committing suicide monthly due to media bullying from their peer group at their local school ---
It seems you folks are just out of touch with what we are dealing with in America...but perhaps you've got all of your teenage problems all solved and you don't have any social issues

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:It's a huge part of their history and the teacher doesn't call the boy a n---er - the mum made a complete hoo-ha out of the situation because she wanted to.

And where is the bloody link?  

Jesuschrist, eddie.  I posted it: http://newsone.com/3427418/utah-teacher-punished-for-using-n-word-in-class/

Syl wrote:The word is so reviled now because it has a history.
I dont see the harm in explaining what that history is and why now it's totally unacceptable.......it's not as if the teacher was flinging the word round without context.

This is the proper perspective.  It's part of history, why not teach it?

OP wrote:Frye, who is Black, told the news wire that nothing in the curriculum permits Barker to discuss the racially charged word.

Wrong.  The word is history.  I think to get beyond the    factor, you've got to confront it.

OOPSIE...Eddie pulled a 'QUILL'...  
Here's the other link that seems to be in such high demand {not that it solves any thing or changes the out come}
http://www.sltrib.com/home/3855962-155/official-south-ogden-teacher-violated-policy

Lordy - Lordy...Wrong/Right - use it/don't use it...seriously folks; guess you'd best all pack a sack and book passage to Utah; cause the policy is what has to change and your getting attitude around here about it won't impact that board of education any

FYI...in case the hysteria made anyone overlook it; this teacher was asked to remove his flag - the 'DIXIE' flag that he had hanging in his history class...

4EVER2 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:the curriculum is dumb
it is a word, if it is used in context then there should not be a problem.

denying it and hiding it, fixes nothing.

Well, you aren't raised in this region of the world where the 'RACE ISSUE' is alive and well and just because 'YOU' few deem it just a 'WORD' and want to ignore the issue doesn't make the 'ISSUE' suddenly vaporize - if only! 

IF ONLY - if only the rational thinking humans would see that stigma is a highly contentious issue within any peer group in our public school system; whether it be hair color/body weight/most chic style of clothing/jock vs geek/runt vs giant/plain jane vs beauty queen/poor vs rich bitches --- the bullying is going on non-stop and providing another vile word within that peer group for a minority group of children is exactly WHY the curriculum is gone over with a fine toothed comb each and every year. 
Emotional hazards & external situations are always going to occur - never let it be generated from within the teaching establishment!

All unified schools promote 'anti-bullying campaigns' within their schools...and yet we read about some child committing suicide monthly due to media bullying from their peer group at their local school ---
It seems you folks are just out of touch with what we are dealing with in America...but perhaps you've got all of your teenage problems all solved and you don't have any social issues

actually we are not, it makes the news regularly down here.

it is shocking how backwards the USA is in dealing with racism.. focused entirely on the word, even convinced black people it the word 'n---er' being verbalised that is the root of the problem.

Completely ignore the real causes, don't address real issues (health, education, housing, opportunity) cause ALL this complex systematic oppression of the black people is because of a word, a name? Yes I am being sarcastic
I Straight up will say this focus on name calling (when this wasn't even addressed at someone) get no one no where. it is a distraction to prevent you looking at the real issues for the racial divide in your nation. which coincidently is inline with the socio-economic disparity in the USA. Divide the poor and make them fight themsleves, cause if the redneck and the blackman team up, the ultra rich may find holding their ill gotten gains much harder.

The System need to prepare kids for the real world and how to deal with racism, not hide it.
the fact that we have gone for an openly racist nation with a 'white Australia policy' to one of the most successful multicultural societies is largely because we dealt with this shit, you don't do it by hiding it.


The issue of the flag is why I didn't say anything of this particular case because there may be more to it. But in general for there to be blanket rule against the use of a word is nuts a disservice to education.

veya_victaous wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
Well, you aren't raised in this region of the world where the 'RACE ISSUE' is alive and well and just because 'YOU' few deem it just a 'WORD' and want to ignore the issue doesn't make the 'ISSUE' suddenly vaporize - if only! 

IF ONLY - if only the rational thinking humans would see that stigma is a highly contentious issue within any peer group in our public school system; whether it be hair color/body weight/most chic style of clothing/jock vs geek/runt vs giant/plain jane vs beauty queen/poor vs rich bitches --- the bullying is going on non-stop and providing another vile word within that peer group for a minority group of children is exactly WHY the curriculum is gone over with a fine toothed comb each and every year. 
Emotional hazards & external situations are always going to occur - never let it be generated from within the teaching establishment!

All unified schools promote 'anti-bullying campaigns' within their schools...and yet we read about some child committing suicide monthly due to media bullying from their peer group at their local school ---
It seems you folks are just out of touch with what we are dealing with in America...but perhaps you've got all of your teenage problems all solved and you don't have any social issues

actually we are not, it makes the news regularly down here.

it is shocking how backwards the USA is in dealing with racism.. focused entirely on the word, even convinced black people it the word 'n---er' being verbalised that is the root of the problem.

Completely ignore the real causes, don't address real issues (health, education, housing, opportunity)  cause ALL this complex systematic oppression of the black people is because of a word, a name?  Yes I am being sarcastic
I Straight up will say this focus on name calling (when this wasn't even addressed at someone) get no one no where. it is a distraction to prevent you looking at the real issues for the racial divide in your nation. which coincidently is inline with the socio-economic disparity in the USA. Divide the poor and make them fight themsleves, cause if the redneck and the blackman team up, the ultra rich may find holding their ill gotten gains much harder.

The System need to prepare kids for the real world and how to deal with racism, not hide it.
the fact that we have gone for an openly racist nation with a 'white Australia policy' to one of the most successful multicultural societies is largely because we dealt with this shit, you don't do it by hiding it.
The issue of the flag is why I didn't say anything of this particular case because there may be more to it.  But in general for there to be blanket rule against the use of a word is nuts a disservice to education.

I've sat in on NAACP social interaction groups/think tanks/International Society Exchanges and we've discussed this similar issues since 1980 and the 'what to do' has always been problematic here in America and in every country! Problem solving something this deeply ingrained in this country would be as easy as Didgy-dooers fairy tale belief that the Nazi's had been eradicated from all of Germany; we the rational thinking adults know that his world is nothing but rainbows and bubble gum!
Racial biased words used to segregate/demoralize/bully and dehumanize exist; they might not sound the same - get spelled differently in different countries but it exists in every corner of this world.

You seem to think that it's just uniquely pinned to American's and we can't seem to find a swift - effective solution to this - that keeping this one single vile word out of the daily public vocabulary will magically absolve it of the power that it has over people and for some people --- so, what's your magic solution?
What's your sure fire method to fix it; because there's nothing that you'll suggest that the NAACP has tried/implemented/monitored and prayed would work...but it hasn't had the longevity for all social/eco/racial standards in our country.  There just isn't a 'one size fits all situations' and that's just how complex our deeply rooted hate of race issues goes in this nation.  
We just get more media coverage because our government doesn't OWN our news source - it's not controlled by the local thugs in charge!

veya wrote:The issue of the flag is why I didn't say anything of this particular case because there may be more to it. But in general for there to be blanket rule against the use of a word is nuts a disservice to education.

Yeah, I didn't catch that, too.  What caught my eye most of all is "Ogden, Utah".  I know if it involves LDS it's going to be weird.  Mormons are a highly insular group, whose idea of living is to emulate white Americana by building a prototype and then fitting inside it.  Blond hair, blue eyes...the whole nine yards.

The stars and bars helps us place this guy  in the picture. I'd like to know more about that.

4EVER2 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
Well, you aren't raised in this region of the world where the 'RACE ISSUE' is alive and well and just because 'YOU' few deem it just a 'WORD' and want to ignore the issue doesn't make the 'ISSUE' suddenly vaporize - if only! 

IF ONLY - if only the rational thinking humans would see that stigma is a highly contentious issue within any peer group in our public school system; whether it be hair color/body weight/most chic style of clothing/jock vs geek/runt vs giant/plain jane vs beauty queen/poor vs rich bitches --- the bullying is going on non-stop and providing another vile word within that peer group for a minority group of children is exactly WHY the curriculum is gone over with a fine toothed comb each and every year. 
Emotional hazards & external situations are always going to occur - never let it be generated from within the teaching establishment!

All unified schools promote 'anti-bullying campaigns' within their schools...and yet we read about some child committing suicide monthly due to media bullying from their peer group at their local school ---
It seems you folks are just out of touch with what we are dealing with in America...but perhaps you've got all of your teenage problems all solved and you don't have any social issues

actually we are not, it makes the news regularly down here.

it is shocking how backwards the USA is in dealing with racism.. focused entirely on the word, even convinced black people it the word 'n---er' being verbalised that is the root of the problem.

Completely ignore the real causes, don't address real issues (health, education, housing, opportunity)  cause ALL this complex systematic oppression of the black people is because of a word, a name?  Yes I am being sarcastic
I Straight up will say this focus on name calling (when this wasn't even addressed at someone) get no one no where. it is a distraction to prevent you looking at the real issues for the racial divide in your nation. which coincidently is inline with the socio-economic disparity in the USA. Divide the poor and make them fight themsleves, cause if the redneck and the blackman team up, the ultra rich may find holding their ill gotten gains much harder.

The System need to prepare kids for the real world and how to deal with racism, not hide it.
the fact that we have gone for an openly racist nation with a 'white Australia policy' to one of the most successful multicultural societies is largely because we dealt with this shit, you don't do it by hiding it.
The issue of the flag is why I didn't say anything of this particular case because there may be more to it.  But in general for there to be blanket rule against the use of a word is nuts a disservice to education.

I've sat in on NAACP social interaction groups/think tanks/International Society Exchanges and we've discussed this similar issues since 1980 and the 'what to do' has always been problematic here in America and in every country! Problem solving something this deeply ingrained in this country would be as easy as Didgy-dooers fairy tale belief that the Nazi's had been eradicated from all of Germany; we the rational thinking adults know that his world is nothing but rainbows and bubble gum!
Racial biased words used to segregate/demoralize/bully and dehumanize exist; they might not sound the same - get spelled differently in different countries but it exists in every corner of this world.

You seem to think that it's just uniquely pinned to American's and we can't seem to find a swift - effective solution to this - that keeping this one single vile word out of the daily public vocabulary will magically absolve it of the power that it has over people and for some people --- so, what's your magic solution?
What's your sure fire method to fix it; because there's nothing that you'll suggest that the NAACP has tried/implemented/monitored and prayed would work...but it hasn't had the longevity for all social/eco/racial standards in our country.  There just isn't a 'one size fits all situations' and that's just how complex our deeply rooted hate of race issues goes in this nation.  
We just get more media coverage because our government doesn't OWN our news source - it's not controlled by the local thugs in charge!

the Solution
FUND EDUCATION PROPERLY!!!!!

it is not rocket science, you need to Put MORE resources into schools from lower socio economic regions, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the USA does. Locally funding schools is SYSTEMATIC oppression of the lower classes.
It was Purposely designed and Implemented to keep the lower classes down, to lower the education outcome for those that were born to poor families. It is functioning EXACTLY as it is designed to. the poor stay dumb and poor and never have any oppurtnuity to turn their life and subsequently their families lives around.

the USA has NEVER funded Public Education properly because that would be 'socialist', and if you increased the educational Standards then more americans Would realise that Socialism is not a bad thing, it is not a bogeyman to be feared, it is just looking after the lower classes and giving the opportunity to catch up.

the Solution
FUND EDUCATION PROPERLY!!!!!

it is not rocket science, you need to Put MORE resources into schools form lower socio economic regions, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the USA does. Locally funding schools is SYSTEMATIC oppression of the lower classes.
It was Purposely designed and Implemented to keep the lower classes down, to lower the education outcome for those that were born to poor families. It is functioning EXACTLY as it is designed to.

the USA has NEVER funded Public Education properly because that would be 'socialist' and if you increased the edcational Standards then more americans Would realise that Socialism is not a bad thing it is not a bogeyman to be feared, it is just looking after the lower classes and giving the opportunity to catch up.

God love you Veya; I just ROTFLMAO...I am from KS...the great state of constant sue your Federal State Funding for the money that has been denied because our Gov. Brownbeck is one huge mammoth financial DICK HEAD and has our state in the worst budget busting recession/hole of our life time! 

Pulling Back the Curtain on Sam Brownback’s Kansas Financial Meltdown
05/12/2014 04:19 pm ET | Updated Jul 12, 2014
TOPEKA — Tax revenue in April dropped 45 percent from a year ago, the Kansas Department of Revenue announced Wednesday.
The state’s revenue for the year is $92.9 million less than projected earlier this month....
Personal income tax revenue has decreased by $508 million compared with this point last fiscal year. That category also accounted for the discrepancy between Wednesday’s numbers and estimates released earlier in the month. Income tax revenue was $89.6 million lower than expected.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/sam-brownback-kansas_b_5310331.html 

And because this STATE is a dyed in the wool Republican state; they elected this dumb-ass to a 2nd term so he could really ream us all up the back end because he wasn't quite finished doing it properly in his first term in office!  

But on a lighter note; public school funding on the federal level really started as a trickle of a barely visible avalanche {hazard} when GWB signed off on his 'NCLB' {no child left behind} bill.  Yipper, that falsified piece of magic paper work that didn't even pan out in theory but couldn't be easily deciphered so they just kept telling those politicians ...'trust us, we know what's best for our children' and those buffoons signed up like sheeple and the lies/forgeries/false test results and feud rolling down hill with such speed...picking up corrupt master teachers & administrators along the way!

I would say - don't use it. Perhaps it's been ingrained that it's just a word which should never be used. I would refer to it as the "N word". If someone asked me to elaborate, I wouldn't know what to say. Perhaps I'd just spell it instead.

Raggamuffin wrote:I would say - don't use it. Perhaps it's been ingrained that it's just a word which should never be used. I would refer to it as the "N word". If someone asked me to elaborate, I wouldn't know what to say. Perhaps I'd just spell it instead.

Probably sound advice in active usage.  Whenever I was in the south, where it is actively and publicly spoken in normal conversation, it was startling.  (But, for them it is quite normal.)

However, as the subject of a study it might be appropriate.  I'd like to know more about this case, given the flag and all.  This is the heart of Mormon country, on the other hand many LDS are genuinely concerned about changing the mores and cultural assumptions of the wards.  There's just not enough information in this story.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I would say - don't use it. Perhaps it's been ingrained that it's just a word which should never be used. I would refer to it as the "N word". If someone asked me to elaborate, I wouldn't know what to say. Perhaps I'd just spell it instead.

Probably sound advice in active usage.  Whenever I was in the south, where it is actively and publicly spoken in normal conversation, it was startling.  (But, for them it is quite normal.)

However, as the subject of a study it might be appropriate.  I'd like to know more about this case, given the flag and all.  This is the heart of Mormon country, on the other hand many LDS are genuinely concerned about changing the mores and cultural assumptions of the wards.  There's just not enough information in this story.

I think that's the right word - startling. I don't often hear the word, but yes, it's startling with someone uses it. It just shocks me.