You Must Question

by Guest Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

30th April 2014

Just how many Muslims are living amongst us.

For 200 Subways to change their menu to cater for them and not us. That's 200 areas of England!

For banks to go out of their way to introduce new products - that isn't cheap and i know it isn't just Lloyds TSB.

For our schools and other public places to only serve halal food.

Now, if i were a business - whether for profit or not-for-profit, i'd cater for the majority.

Please discuss.

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 2:41 am

Oh dear what a poor reply to argue his case, that does not refute we are natural herbivores

by Tommy Monk Sun May 04, 2014 4:52 pm

Regardless of size of teeth and jaw, we would have always been able to eat fish.

Does that mean we have always been omnivores?????

Laughing

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 5:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Regardless of size of teeth and jaw, we would have always been able to eat fish.

Does that mean we have always been omnivores?????

Being able to eat something which as seen gives us many medical problems, shows even more we are not natural omnivores

::D::

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 5:51 pm

I see didge is seeing things again as seen

by Tommy Monk Sun May 04, 2014 6:18 pm

I always thought fish was good for you...!

Laughing

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 6:26 pm

Sassy wrote:Where did he get that chimps only eat vegetation. Chimps kill and eat small monkey, so I'm not very impressed with him.

It appears that also eat leopards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554620/Researchers-discover-10-000-community-chimpanzees-war-torn-Africa-eating-LEOPARDS.html

A better example than Chimps would have been Gorillas. Look at the size of them and their muscle mass - yet all they eat is vegetation, with the odd insect.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 04, 2014 6:30 pm

Another example is the panda, everything about it tells you it should eat meat, but it only chooses bamboo.

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 7:31 pm

Again no point trying to claim something unless you think all Biologists and anthropologists are no wrong, when they claim we are naturally herbivores.
We only started to eat meat when it was scarce, but if people want to ignore facts, hey ho, that does not mean they are right.

::D::

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 7:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I always thought fish was good for you...!

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-highest-in-cholesterol.php

by Tommy Monk Sun May 04, 2014 7:58 pm

Is that good cholesterol or bad?

2. Fish and omega-3 fatty acids

Eating fatty fish can be heart healthy because of its high levels of omega-3 fatty acids, which can reduce your blood pressure and risk of developing blood clots. In people who have already had heart attacks, fish oil — or omega-3 fatty acids — reduces the risk of sudden death.

The American Heart Association recommends eating at least two servings of fish a week. The highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids are in:

MackerelLake troutHerringSardinesAlbacore tunaSalmonHalibut
You should bake or grill the fish to avoid adding unhealthy fats. If you don't like fish, you can also get small amounts of omega-3 fatty acids from foods like ground flaxseed or canola oil.

You can take an omega-3 or fish oil supplement to get some of the benefits, but you won't get other nutrients in fish, such as selenium. If you decide to take a supplement, just remember to watch your diet and eat lean meat or vegetables in place of fish.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 8:01 pm

http://www.earthsave.org/news/03summer/fish.htm

by Tommy Monk Sun May 04, 2014 8:33 pm

Point being fish is a good and healthy part of a balanced diet, and regardless of the size and strength of jaw and teeth, we would always have been able to eat then.

That makes us omnivores.

Is there any evidence we never always have?

there are also plants that would be bad for us if eaten.

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 8:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Point being fish is a good and healthy part of a balanced diet, and regardless of the size and strength of jaw and teeth, we would always have been able to eat then.

That makes us omnivores.

Is there any evidence we never always have?

there are also plants that would be bad for us if eaten.

No it means we have adapted to eat meat, that is all, as we still natural herbivores, again you need to discount what Biologist and anthropologists are saying, of which you have not.
If we were natural omnivores, our bodies would be adapted to being one, they are not, as again we have so many problems from eating meat, let alone our digestive system not being suited to eating meat.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 04, 2014 9:13 pm

I'm talking about fish.

by Fred Moletrousers Sun May 04, 2014 10:26 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Sassy wrote:Where did he get that chimps only eat vegetation. Chimps kill and eat small monkey, so I'm not very impressed with him.

It appears that also eat leopards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554620/Researchers-discover-10-000-community-chimpanzees-war-torn-Africa-eating-LEOPARDS.html
A better example than Chimps would have been Gorillas. Look at the size of them and their muscle mass - yet all they eat is vegetation, with the odd insect.

The sheer size and muscle mass of gorillas are among the reasons why they are predominently vegetarian...they move too slowly to prey on smaller animals.

Having had the great privilege of being able to photograph a gorilla colony at (relatively!) short range, their measured gait is something for which I am eternally grateful.

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 10:29 pm

didnt fancy a hug from george the gorilla then Moley???

by Fred Moletrousers Sun May 04, 2014 11:13 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:didnt fancy a hug from george the gorilla then Moley???

I've changed my avatar to my photo of the undisputed leader of the gorilla colony I was posting about.

Now, be honest...would YOU fancy a hug from that guy? He was big...bloody big, and I was beginning to feel a tad uncomfortable at the way he was looking at me!

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 11:20 pm

He IS a big lad isnt he Moley...you are right , cant say I'd fancy even a friendly hug from him pale

by Guest Sun May 04, 2014 11:25 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:He IS a big lad isnt he Moley...you are right , cant say I'd fancy even a friendly hug from him

Did you happen to see, a long time ago now, a programme about wild orang utang's made with Julia Roberts? She went to see a male one that lived by itself, as most male orang utangs do. It lifted her us and put her on it's lap and stroked her face, then put her down and walked off! She was in a state of shock.

Its on this, just under 6 minutes in:

by veya_victaous Mon May 05, 2014 1:45 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:the oldest cave paintings are 50,000 years old, Hominids started making meat a major part of their diet almost 2 million years ago

And didge he is American so possible creationist

Sigh I am an atheist, we say designed, does not mean literally Veya, for fuck sake grow up.

Also I am British with Irish and Sicilian ethnicity, so do not label me you silly boy

I meant the Guy you are quoting is American.

And Accept that Homo Sapien Were NEVER Herbivores, a species over 2 million years our ancestor made us Omnivores. So we have been 'designed to be omnivores' since that is a trait hominids have been developing for the last 4 species, we have been successful omnivores for 2.6 million years. Homo Sapien have only been around for 200,000 years.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273

and IF you are going to go BEFORE that, than we lets go all the way back we were an omnivorous rat like animal that co existed with Dinosaurs

http://www.walkingwithdinosaurs.com/dinosaurs/detail/alphadon/

Alphadon had a generalised dental pattern allowing it to feed on a variety of different foodstuffs including plants, insects and small vertebrates.

by Guest Mon May 05, 2014 6:51 am

Seriously Veya, take you argument to many Biologists and anthropologists, and then tell me I am wrong, because sadly they will tell you that it is you that is wrong mate.
We are natural herbivores, just because we adapt meat into our diet does not mean we are natural omnivores, even more so with the fact meat causes us untold problems.

by harrymuffin Mon May 05, 2014 9:02 am

I'm sorry didge, but they weren't using spears to hunt plants.

We were meat eaters. Not vegetarians.

by Guest Mon May 05, 2014 1:50 pm

harrymuffin wrote:I'm sorry didge, but they weren't using spears to hunt plants.

We were meat eaters. Not vegetarians.

That is incorrect, we started to add meat first through scavenging, when other food sources were scarce, which also led to hunting.

http://www.calacademy.org/sciencetoday/early-human-diets/5511123/

by Guest Mon May 05, 2014 1:56 pm

Maybe Tony Blair should apologise to all the animals we murdered.

Sod what happened 5,000 years ago - we're meat eaters now - we've decided that our animals should be killed a certain way - enforce our democratic, humane ways on people who want to live in our country!

by Guest Mon May 05, 2014 1:58 pm

We had to have been non meat eaters at one time as hunting skills were not just learned overnight!

by Guest Mon May 05, 2014 2:01 pm

Joy Division wrote:We had to have been non meat eaters at one time as hunting skills were not just learned overnight!

Exactly, environmental changes helped force humans to hunt, with a lack of food resource, which developed our brain skills through learning to hunt.

by nicko Mon May 05, 2014 2:28 pm

Just an opinion,do you think men thousands of years ago saw chimps eating other monkeys and thought "That looks interesting i'll try that myself"

by Tommy Monk Mon May 05, 2014 4:45 pm

And where is the evidence we never always ate fish?

by veya_victaous Mon May 05, 2014 11:36 pm

Didge wrote:Seriously Veya, take you argument to many Biologists and anthropologists, and then tell me I am wrong, because sadly they will tell you that it is you that is wrong mate.
We are natural herbivores, just because we adapt meat into our diet does not mean we are natural omnivores, even more so with the fact meat causes us untold problems.

Didge Did You not read the ANTHROPOLOGIST article I posted ?
A Biologist does not know about prehistoric human development because that is NOT their field of Study.

Anthropologists say Hominids became Omnivores 4 species before Homo Sapien Existed. We are Homo Sapien, we have Always been Omnivores.

Thank Homo Habilis for the change, he lived between 2.3million and 1.5million years ago. Your Argument was correct FOR HIM!!!! not for us his GREAT GREAT Grandchildren.

You Must Question - Page 7 Homo_Habilis_-_Britannica

You Must Question - Page 7 Homo_Habilis_-_Britannica

You Must Question - Page 7 1-12-homo-habilis

You Must Question - Page 7 Homo+habilis+cacer%C3%ADa

And to keep it in perspective Homo Habilis NEVER left Africa, Hominids only existed in a small pocket of Africa when Homo Habilis existed.

You Must Question - Page 7 Map_of_habilis_range

You Must Question - Page 7 Map_of_habilis_range

by Guest Mon May 05, 2014 11:59 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:Maybe Tony Blair should apologise to all the animals we murdered.

Sod what happened 5,000 years ago - we're meat eaters now - we've decided that our animals should be killed a certain way - enforce our democratic, humane ways on people who want to live in our country!

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!!

Loved that one Andy.

Let's all fucking apologize shall we?

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 12:55 am

Eating Meat and Marrow
The diet of the earliest hominins was probably somewhat similar to the diet of modern chimpanzees: omnivorous, including large quantities of fruit, leaves, flowers, bark, insects and meat (e.g., Andrews & Martin 1991; Milton 1999; Watts 2008). Tooth morphology and dental microwear studies suggest that the diet of some hominins may have included hard food items such as seeds and nuts, and underground storage organs (USOs) such as roots and tubers (Jolly 1970; Peters & O'Brien 1981; Teaford & Ungar 2000; Luca et al. 2010). By at least 2.6 million years ago, a remarkable expansion in this diet started to occur; some hominins began incorporating meat and marrow from small to very large animals into their diet. Let's explore the evidence for this dramatic shift using the 5 "W" questions: When, Where, Who, What, Why (and How).

By: Briana Pobiner (Human Origins Program, Smithsonian Institution) © 2013 Nature Education

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273
FROM the HUMAN ORIGINS PROGRAM of the SMITHSONIAN !!!!!

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 7:25 am

Sorry Veya you have offered nothing to disprove we are natural herbivores who later added meat to their diet

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 8:19 am

Didge wrote:Sorry Veya you have offered nothing to disprove we are natural herbivores who later added meat to their diet

who are 'we'?

Homo Sapiens

Meat was already added almost 1 and half million years earlier

OR as I already posted ALL placental mammals are Natural Omnivores like the First Placental mammal. Herbivores and carnivores are Specialists that are NOT the Natural but have adapted to their diet. No where does it suggest that Hominids were ever Herbivores we always ate insects extra at least. Like almost all monkeys and primates we would probably have eaten anything we could catch Rolling Eyes

similar to the diet of modern chimpanzees: omnivorous, including large quantities of fruit, leaves, flowers, bark, insects and meat

Smithsonian Institution 2013

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 8:22 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:Sorry Veya you have offered nothing to disprove we are natural herbivores who later added meat to their diet

who are 'we'?

Homo Sapiens

Meat was already added almost 1 and half million years earlier

OR as I already posted ALL placental mammals are Natural Omnivores like the First Placental mammal. Herbivores and carnivores are Specialists that are NOT the Natural but have adapted to their diet. No where does it suggest that Hominids were ever Herbivores we always ate insects extra at least. Like almost all monkeys and primates we would probably have eaten anything we could catch

similar to the diet of modern chimpanzees: omnivorous, including large quantities of fruit, leaves, flowers, bark, insects and meat
Smithsonian Institution 2013

Again all irrelevant Veya, our bodies have never properly adapted to eating meat, so much so it causes us untold issues and thus if we were true omnivores we would have adapted, and yet after 2 million years we have not adapted, maybe you can explain why?

Again you need to dispute all the biologist and anthropologists and not once have you, all you have done is show meat at one point in the past was added to our diets, it does not prove we are natural omnivores, I suggest you do like I say and email many of them and ask them to explain why you are wrong here

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 8:33 am

Um Smithsonian Anthropologist from 2013

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I believe it is YOU that has yet to post something from a Published Anthropologist from one of the leading Scientific institutions on the planet
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by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 8:35 am

veya_victaous wrote:Um Smithsonian Anthropologist from 2013

referencing

Aiello, L. C., & Wheeler, P. The expensive-tissue hypothesis: The brain and digestive system in human and primate evolution. Current Anthropology 36, 199-221 (1995).

Andrews, P. & Martin, L. Hominoid dietary evolution. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London B 334, 199-209 (1991).

Antón, S.C. Natural history of Homo erectus. Yearbook of Physical Anthropology 46, 126-170 (2003).

Babbitt, C. C. et al. Genomic signatures of diet-related shifts during human origins. Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 278, 961-969 (2011).

Bellomo, R. V. Methods of determining early hominid behavioral activities associated with the controlled use of ﬁre at FxJj 20 Main, Koobi Fora. Journal of Human Evolution 27, 173-195 (1994).

Binford, L. R. Bones: Ancient Men and Modern Myths. Academic Press, New York (1981).

Binford, L. R. Fact and fiction about the Zinajnthropus floor: data, arguments, and interpretations. Current Anthropology 29, 123-135 (1988).

Blumenschine, R. J. Carcass consumption sequences and the archaeological distinction of hunting and scavenging. Journal of Human Evolution 15, 639-659 (1986).

Blumenschine, R. J. Characteristics of an early hominid scavenging niche. Current Anthropology 28, 383-407 (1987).

Blumenschine, R. J. An experimental model of the timing of hominid and carnivore influence on archaeological bone assemblages. Journal of Archaeological Science 15, 483-502 (1988).

Blumenschine, R. J. Percussion marks, tooth marks, and experimental determinations of the timing of hominid and carnivore access to long bones at FLK Zinjanthropus, Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania. Journal of Human Evolution 29, 21-51 (1995).

Blumenschine, R. J. & Madrigal, T .C. Variability in long-bone marrow yields of East African ungulates and its zooarchaeological implications. Journal of Archaeological Science 20, 555-587 (1993).

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I believe it is YOU that has yet to post something from a Published Anthropologist from one of the leading Scientific institutions on the planet
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Yes I suggest you email them and let me know, as listing them you need to back up their views.

Thanks and let me know how you get on, as I am sure they will tell you will are natural herbivores who have adapted meat and still you cannot explain why we have not adapted to eating meat when it causes us so many health issues

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 8:37 am

Didge wrote:
harrymuffin wrote:I'm sorry didge, but they weren't using spears to hunt plants.

We were meat eaters. Not vegetarians.

That is incorrect, we started to add meat first through scavenging, when other food sources were scarce, which also led to hunting.

http://www.calacademy.org/sciencetoday/early-human-diets/5511123/

Andrew Ng is Communications Manager at the California Academy of Sciences.

Unreferenced Rolling Eyes

from a state academy (even in it is CA Razz

)

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 8:40 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

That is incorrect, we started to add meat first through scavenging, when other food sources were scarce, which also led to hunting.

http://www.calacademy.org/sciencetoday/early-human-diets/5511123/

Andrew Ng is Communications Manager at the California Academy of Sciences.

Unreferenced

from a state academy (even in it is CA )

http://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=130078

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 8:40 am

Again we adapted meat to our diets.

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 8:40 am

YOU Got :/pwn://:

Admit it, I am Quoting a referenced Scientific Journal from the USA's premier Scientific institution.

You Quoting a Comms mangers From California Academy of Sciences , in a non-referenced paper tongue

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 8:42 am

veya_victaous wrote:YOU Got :/pwn://:

Admit it, I am Quoting a referenced Scientific Journal from the USA's premier Scientific institution.

You Quoting a Comms mangers From California Academy of Sciences , in a non-referenced paper

Admit nothing, again we adapted meat, why are you not able to reference each one the anthropologists?

We are natural herbivores, are you claiming Dr Leakey the leasing anthropologist is a liar?

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 8:45 am

Again you need to read Veya:

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, professor emeritus at Cornell University and author of The China Study, explains that in fact, we only recently (historically speaking) began eating meat, and that the inclusion of meat in our diet came well after we became who we are today. He explains that "the birth of agriculture only started about 10,000 years ago at a time when it became considerably more convenient to herd animals. This is not nearly as long as the time [that] fashioned our basic biochemical functionality (at least tens of millions of years) and which functionality depends on the nutrient composition of plant-based foods."

There is no more authoritative source on anthropological issues than paleontologist Dr. Richard Leakey, who explains what anyone who has taken an introductory physiology course might have discerned intuitively--that humans are herbivores. Leakey notes that "[y]ou can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand.... We wouldn't have been able to deal with food source that required those large canines" (although we have teeth that are called "canines," they bear little resemblance to the canines of carnivores).

In fact, our hands are perfect for grabbing and picking fruits and vegetables. Similarly, like the intestines of other herbivores, ours are very long (carnivores have short intestines so they can quickly get rid of all that rotting flesh they eat). We don't have sharp claws to seize and hold down prey. And most of us (hopefully) lack the instinct that would drive us to chase and then kill animals and devour their raw carcasses. Dr. Milton Mills builds on these points and offers dozens more in his essay, "A Comparative Anatomy of Eating."

The point is this: Thousands of years ago when we were hunter-gatherers, we may have needed a bit of meat in our diets in times of scarcity, but we don't need it now. Says Dr. William C. Roberts, editor of the American Journal of Cardiology, "Although we think we are, and we act as if we are, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us, because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 8:59 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

That is incorrect, we started to add meat first through scavenging, when other food sources were scarce, which also led to hunting.

http://www.calacademy.org/sciencetoday/early-human-diets/5511123/

Andrew Ng is Communications Manager at the California Academy of Sciences.

Unreferenced

from a state academy (even in it is CA )

http://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=130078

From your article by

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the point i believe you are relying on

"Considered in total, this study provides important early archaeological evidence for meat eating, hunting and scavenging behaviors -cornerstone adaptations that likely facilitated brain expansion in human evolution, movement of hominins out of Africa and into Eurasia, as well as important shifts in our social behavior, anatomy and physiology,"

My Counter
the First Hominids
Australopithecus

In a 1979 preliminary microwear study of Australopithecus fossil teeth, anthropologist Alan Walker theorized that robust australopiths were largely frugivorous.[13] Australopithecus mainly ate fruit, vegetables, and tubers. Much research has focused on a comparison between the South African species Australopithecus africanus and Paranthropus robustus. Early analyses of dental microwear in these two species showed that compared to Paranthropus robustus, Australopithecus africanus had fewer microwear features and more scratches as opposed to pits on its molar wear facets.[14]

These observations have been interpreted as evidence that Paranthropus robustus may have fed on hard and brittle foods like some nuts and seeds.[14] More recently new analyses based on three-dimensional renderings of wear facets have confirmed earlier work but have also suggested that Paranthropus robustus ate hard foods primarily as a fallback resource while Australopithecus africanus ate more mechanically tough foods.[15]

In 1992, trace element studies of the strontium/calcium ratios in robust australopith fossils suggested the possibility of animal consumption, as they did in 1994 using stable carbon isotopic analysis

http://anthro.palomar.edu/hominid/australo_2.htm
Not Herbivores. tongue

all the way back to
You Must Question - Page 7 Ancestor-placental-mammals

http://www.livescience.com/26929-mama-first-ancestor-placental-mammals.html

the researchers suggest the four-legged creature likely ate insects, weighed from 6 grams (about the weight of some shrews) up to 245 grams — less than half a pound — and was more adapted for general scampering than built for more specialized forms of movement, such as swinging from trees. Also, its cerebral cortex — the part of the brain linked to higher mental processes — was probably convoluted, folds linked with greater brain activity, the researchers found.

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 9:00 am

Yes again showing we adapted meat Veya, which as my point, here read some more, because you need to learn:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/07/23/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 9:11 am

Didge wrote:Again you need to read Veya:

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, professor emeritus at Cornell University and author of The China Study, explains that in fact, we only recently (historically speaking) began eating meat, and that the inclusion of meat in our diet came well after we became who we are today. He explains that "the birth of agriculture only started about 10,000 years ago at a time when it became considerably more convenient to herd animals. This is not nearly as long as the time [that] fashioned our basic biochemical functionality (at least tens of millions of years) and which functionality depends on the nutrient composition of plant-based foods."

There is no more authoritative source on anthropological issues than paleontologist Dr. Richard Leakey, who explains what anyone who has taken an introductory physiology course might have discerned intuitively--that humans are herbivores. Leakey notes that "[y]ou can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand.... We wouldn't have been able to deal with food source that required those large canines" (although we have teeth that are called "canines," they bear little resemblance to the canines of carnivores).

In fact, our hands are perfect for grabbing and picking fruits and vegetables. Similarly, like the intestines of other herbivores, ours are very long (carnivores have short intestines so they can quickly get rid of all that rotting flesh they eat). We don't have sharp claws to seize and hold down prey. And most of us (hopefully) lack the instinct that would drive us to chase and then kill animals and devour their raw carcasses. Dr. Milton Mills builds on these points and offers dozens more in his essay, "A Comparative Anatomy of Eating."

The point is this: Thousands of years ago when we were hunter-gatherers, we may have needed a bit of meat in our diets in times of scarcity, but we don't need it now. Says Dr. William C. Roberts, editor of the American Journal of Cardiology, "Although we think we are, and we act as if we are, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us, because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

Ahhh Dr Leaky... But you can put a Cockroach in your mouth or a small mouse and human hands are every bit as well adapted to grasp these things. No one is saying we had to tear hide we just need to eat termites and we are omnivores Rolling Eyes

Let alone it is generally accepted that early hominids had at least the intellect of a chimp

And our intestines are middle length, we do not have multiple stomachs like many herbivores suggesting we are not herbivores at all but Omnivores that lean more towards Fruit and Vegetable matter more than Raw Red Meat but still capable of eating almost anything particularly small animals and insects we could fit on our hands.
You Must Question - Page 7 E_digestiv

You Must Question - Page 7 Alexandradoffing_cowdigestive

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 9:16 am

Sorry I am starting to laugh now, again you just show how we can adapt, not that we are not natural herbivores, of how our ancestors clearly were herbivores.
Seriously, all the signs show biologically we are more in tune with being herbivores.
Why you pictured a cow was why I laughed

I am not going to agree with you and you wanted an anthropologist, I give you the most famous and what biologists say.
Again most apes rarely eat meat, so even on that front it holds little benefit of claim for you.

I have to work Veya, so catch you later, but nothing you will post will change my mind, all evidence points we are natural herbivores that adapted meat

Later

by veya_victaous Tue May 06, 2014 10:41 am

Ok since this is getting boring....... Rolling Eyes

but we are natural Omnivores and some animals have adapted to be either herbivores or carnivores but none in our direct lineage they have always retained the ability to process both plant animal and insect material making them omnivores tongue

We were adapted to eat Primarily Fruit but we were never restricted to eating fruit. We are not carnivores and still need some plant material... and Crickets would be a lot healthier for us than cows because plants and insects would have been the primary diet of almost every animal in our linage.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/08/21/why-eating-bugs-is-good-for-you-its-about-the-nutrients/

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/nutrition-values-edible-bugs-insects-9602.html

You Must Question - Page 7 Hotlix-crickettes

You Must Question - Page 7 Hotlix-crickettes

Yummy!!!!

nom

by nicko Tue May 06, 2014 10:45 am

Buddy Holly loved crickets!!

by gerber Tue May 06, 2014 2:17 pm

nicko wrote:Buddy Holly loved crickets!!

Bravo sir. best of the week.

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