UPDATE: Malaysian P.M. says wreckage in satellite images was missing Malaysian flight

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In what officials called the "best lead" of the nearly two-week-old aviation mystery, a satellite detected two objects floating about 1,000 miles off the coast of Australia and halfway to the desolate islands of the Antarctic.
The development raised new hope of finding the vanished jet and sent another emotional jolt to the families of the 239 people aboard.

Sarah Bajc, whose boyfriend, American Philip Wood, was aboard the plane, is one of those anxiously awaiting news.

"I'm desperate to hear it is an airplane wing and there are survivors clinging to it, and one of them is Philip," she told CBS News by email. "I'm apprehensive it will be unrelated and the wait will just continue after many more hours of misery."

"I am prepared for dead bodies," she wrote, "but I am not prepared for never knowing."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-possible-debris-from-missing-plane-spotted/

UPDATE link: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I do not doubt the abilities of the Aussies but are they not or at least were dependant on the information from outside sources, not least Iner wahtever from the UK who only it has been reported spent one day two weeks after the event deciphering the info on request from the Malaysians......  Surely they should have been looking from day one and volunteered the info....  Poor Australia has had to pick up the unknown pieces that are not anywhere and run with them the families of the plane and the world's media, no small  challenge....  One I will say they are doing with a respect mainly for the relatives and are very careful to what they say but are also not bullshitting the media....  Chapeau to Australia and all who sail and live here.

Re turning off the black bob Harvest moon....  very good question and I would also love to know he anset

gerber wrote:I do not doubt the abilities of the Aussies but are they not or at least were dependant on the information from outside sources, not least Iner wahtever from the UK who only it has been reported spent one day two weeks after the event deciphering the info on request from the Malaysians......  Surely they should have been looking from day one and volunteered the info....  Poor Australia has had to pick up the unknown pieces that are not anywhere and run with them the families of the plane and the world's media, no small  challenge....  One I will say they are doing with a respect mainly for the relatives and are very careful to what they say but are also not bullshitting the media....  Chapeau to Australia and all who sail and live here.

Re turning off the black bob Harvest moon....  very good question and I would also love to know he anset

That's not quite the case Gerber. Inmarsat did the data analysis and passed it to the UK AAIB and the US who checked and double checked the calculations before publishing the results of what the got. That all took a lot of time and a lot of effort by many people here and in the US.

Irn Bru wrote:

harvesmom wrote:A daft question maybe, but can the pilot switch off the black box?

No, it can't be switched off by the pilot. It's the only means other than visual in trying to trace any wreckage although it has been known for the acoustic pinger to become detached from the box and be found some distance away. Hopefully, if it is in the ocean that hasn't happened.

Thanks Irn Bru, I did read that you would have to be fairly close to get a signal from it, I'm guessing that's why they haven't found it yet.
I still can't get over the feeling the plane landed somewhere, I am probably wrong but it was the mobile phones of the passengers ringing out in the early days that made me think that.

harvesmom wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

harvesmom wrote:A daft question maybe, but can the pilot switch off the black box?

No, it can't be switched off by the pilot. It's the only means other than visual in trying to trace any wreckage although it has been known for the acoustic pinger to become detached from the box and be found some distance away. Hopefully, if it is in the ocean that hasn't happened.

Thanks Irn Bru, I did read that you would have to be fairly close to get a signal from it, I'm guessing that's why they haven't found it yet.
I still can't get over the feeling the plane landed somewhere, I am probably wrong but it was the mobile phones of the passengers ringing out in the early days that made me think that.

Well everyone is hoping you are right HM and it has landed somewhere. It would be a miracle if it has and all those passengers and crew were found to be safe and well.

Somehow I doubt it though but I hope that all the experts who say it crashed into the sea are wrong. Time will tell eventually.

Irn Bru wrote:

gerber wrote:I do not doubt the abilities of the Aussies but are they not or at least were dependant on the information from outside sources, not least Iner wahtever from the UK who only it has been reported spent one day two weeks after the event deciphering the info on request from the Malaysians......  Surely they should have been looking from day one and volunteered the info....  Poor Australia has had to pick up the unknown pieces that are not anywhere and run with them the families of the plane and the world's media, no small  challenge....  One I will say they are doing with a respect mainly for the relatives and are very careful to what they say but are also not bullshitting the media....  Chapeau to Australia and all who sail and live here.

Re turning off the black bob Harvest moon....  very good question and I would also love to know he anset

That's not quite the case Gerber. Inmarsat did the data analysis and passed it to the UK AAIB and the US who checked and double checked the calculations before publishing the results of what the got. That all took a lot of time and a lot of effort by many people here and in the US.

Apolgies...................  Know I have read it on the net but the article must have been misleading or as often the case with this economical with facts.

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote: 


  

I couldn't kill you even if I wanted to eddie. And why would I when you have the voice of an angel and a heart to match.

It just so happens that it's a subject that is of interest to me in what I do.

  

Pffffff may have an angel voice and heart (thank you!) but I'm dead nosey too  ::lies:: 
Sooooo......what do you do???   

gerber wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

gerber wrote:I do not doubt the abilities of the Aussies but are they not or at least were dependant on the information from outside sources, not least Iner wahtever from the UK who only it has been reported spent one day two weeks after the event deciphering the info on request from the Malaysians......  Surely they should have been looking from day one and volunteered the info....  Poor Australia has had to pick up the unknown pieces that are not anywhere and run with them the families of the plane and the world's media, no small  challenge....  One I will say they are doing with a respect mainly for the relatives and are very careful to what they say but are also not bullshitting the media....  Chapeau to Australia and all who sail and live here.

Re turning off the black bob Harvest moon....  very good question and I would also love to know he anset

That's not quite the case Gerber. Inmarsat did the data analysis and passed it to the UK AAIB and the US who checked and double checked the calculations before publishing the results of what the got. That all took a lot of time and a lot of effort by many people here and in the US.

Apolgies...................  Know I have read it on the net but the article must have been misleading or as often the case with this economical with facts.

There is so much stuff being written on this Gerber I think we are all confused somewhat by what has happened to this aircraft.
Much of the media is pure speculation or stuff from conspiracy theorists. Sometimes it's just better to look at the statements coming direct from companies like Inmarsat, The AAIB or Boeing etc. to see what they are saying.

Hang in there though because it's interesting to see what others think and your views are just as relevant and valid as anyone else's are and deserve the right to be discussed.

eddie wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote: 


  

I couldn't kill you even if I wanted to eddie. And why would I when you have the voice of an angel and a heart to match.

It just so happens that it's a subject that is of interest to me in what I do.

  

Pffffff may have an angel voice and heart (thank you!) but I'm dead nosey too  ::lies:: 
Sooooo......what do you do???   

I'm secretly the centre forward for Spurs

We bloody lost four flippin' nil to poxy Liverpool, Irn!!!! Not even funny!!!

You're sacked!! Or did you sabotage our game.... 

eddie wrote:We bloody lost four flippin' nil to poxy Liverpool, Irn!!!! Not even funny!!!

You're sacked!! Or did you sabotage our game.... 

I was out injured. Not my fault. lol

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote:We bloody lost four flippin' nil to poxy Liverpool, Irn!!!! Not even funny!!!

You're sacked!! Or did you sabotage our game.... 

I was out injured. Not my fault. lol

Pffffff. I used to like you   

eddie wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote:We bloody lost four flippin' nil to poxy Liverpool, Irn!!!! Not even funny!!!

You're sacked!! Or did you sabotage our game.... 

I was out injured. Not my fault. lol

Pffffff. I used to like you    

And to think I would have given you my last Rolo

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote:

Pffffff. I used to like you    

And to think I would have given you my last Rolo

You and me are now officially neswfix boarded internet divorced !

Royal Navy Submarine Joins MH370 Search

HMS Tireless, a Royal Navy nuclear submarine, will search the southern Indian Ocean for the missing plane's flight recorders.

The Royal Navy submarine HMS Tireless has arrived in the Indian Ocean to help search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The Trafalgar Class submarine is expected to try to detect the plane's flight recorders in the waters.

Royal Navy survey ship HMS Echo is also due to join the international search operation on Wednesday.

A defence source said: "A Royal Navy Trafalgar-Class submarine has recently arrived in the area and is conducting search operations for the flight recorders.

"She was ordered to move from an operational tasking to the search area around a week ago and arrived on station yesterday (Monday).

"HMS Tireless holds advanced search capabilities, but the task in hand remains a tall order and the search area is immense."

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond told his Malaysian counterpart in a telephone call on Tuesday evening that the submarine had arrived in the Indian Ocean.

The three-week search operation has repeatedly shifted its focus as experts analyse radar and satellite data on the plane's movements.

The operation is currently based inside a 25,000-square mile area off Australia's western coast.

The search operation has been hindered by poor weather and repeated sightings of rubbish in the ocean.

Specialist underwater search equipment has been brought in to help find the black box. The data recroder is only due to continue emitting a locator signal until April 7.

Earlier on Tuesday, Malaysian authorities released the transcript of conversations between the aircraft's two pilots.

The transcript confirms Malaysian government claims that the flight began with a routine start.

The published transcript shows the final words from the cockpit to Kuala Lumpur's air traffic control centre were: "Good night, Malaysian three seven zero".

http://news.sky.com/story/1235477/royal-navy-submarine-joins-mh370-search

To do all that the MoD must be pretty convinced that the information provided about the aircraft going down in that area is reliable.

Well, can't see them coughing for the cost of a sub if they haven't gone through the evidence with a fine tooth comb.

Irn Bru wrote:
To do all that the MoD must be pretty convinced that the information provided about the aircraft going down in that area is reliable.

  

THE Malaysian government - the owners of Malaysian Airlines - are under a lot of pressure at home to both find their plane, and to be more upfront and transparent with the families, and their wider citizenry...

JUST as well for the Malaysians that they own a few other businesses as well (e.g. an oil company; the Proton car company; and the largest timber merchant in S.E. Asia..); and that the 20 wealthiest families in Malaysia "own" the govenment in turn..

AS the Malaysian government is paying both for the search and recovery, and for all eventual compensations to the families.    

AS the Malaysian government is paying both for the search and recovery, and for all eventual compensations to the families.

There is no way of knowing who will pay the compensation, it could very well be the airline.

   * The Malaysian government owns the airline...

A news report copied on here week before last states that they have already had set aside $US750 towards future compensation payouts..

THE airline appears to be a "self insurer", for this sort of situation.
However you may try to "spin" it, and how hard ~ the Malaysian government still loses out, big time..


* ALSO, in that same week before last : The Malaysian foreign minister confirmed that Malaysia was picking up all of the tab for the costs of the search efforts in the Indian Ocean...

The costs of this search are certain to run into  hundreds of millions of dollars ~ "that's a given".  

* JUST on these figures that the Malaysian government has already released, it will be facing combined losses of at least $1.5 billion ~ possibly even well over $2 billion..


* IN ADDITION, Malaysian Airlines has been in financial strife for the last couple of years, and hasn't returned a profit in sometime...

WHATEVER the outcome of this search, and the financial fallout to come, it wouldn't be any sort of surprise to see Malaysian Airlines being sold off.  

I would lov to be a fly on the wall, in the right board room.

Lone Wolf wrote:   * The Malaysian government owns the airline...

A news report copied on here week before last states that they have already had set aside $US750 towards future compensation payouts..

THE airline appears to be a "self insurer", for this sort of situation.
However you may try to "spin" it, and how hard ~ the Malaysian government still loses out, big time..


* ALSO, in that same week before last : The Malaysian foreign minister confirmed that Malaysia was picking up all of the tab for the costs of the search efforts in the Indian Ocean...

The costs of this search are certain to run into  hundreds of millions of dollars ~ "that's a given".  

* JUST on these figures that the Malaysian government has already released, it will be facing combined losses of at least $1.5 billion ~ possibly even well over $2 billion..


* IN ADDITION, Malaysian Airlines has been in financial strife for the last couple of years, and hasn't returned a profit in sometime...

WHATEVER the outcome of this search, and the financial fallout to come, it wouldn't be any sort of surprise to see Malaysian Airlines being sold off.  

The Malaysian government own the majority stake holding of 52% n Malaysian Airlines and the insurance is underwritten by Etiqa who have probably re-insured their liabilities with a syndicate on somewhere like Lloyd's of London.
Malaysian Airlines have probably set aside what they believe will be needed to pay out compensation to whoever are entitled to it because the beneficiaries will be a third party who's contracts are with Malaysian Airlines who will have to try and recover these costs from the insurers.

Irn Bru wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:   * The Malaysian government owns the airline...

A news report copied on here week before last states that they have already had set aside $US750 towards future compensation payouts..

THE airline appears to be a "self insurer", for this sort of situation.
However you may try to "spin" it, and how hard ~ the Malaysian government still loses out, big time..


* ALSO, in that same week before last : The Malaysian foreign minister confirmed that Malaysia was picking up all of the tab for the costs of the search efforts in the Indian Ocean...

The costs of this search are certain to run into  hundreds of millions of dollars ~ "that's a given".  

* JUST on these figures that the Malaysian government has already released, it will be facing combined losses of at least $1.5 billion ~ possibly even well over $2 billion..


* IN ADDITION, Malaysian Airlines has been in financial strife for the last couple of years, and hasn't returned a profit in sometime...

WHATEVER the outcome of this search, and the financial fallout to come, it wouldn't be any sort of surprise to see Malaysian Airlines being sold off.  

The Malaysian government own the majority stake holding of 52% n Malaysian Airlines and the insurance is underwritten by Etiqa who have probably re-insured their liabilities with a syndicate on somewhere like Lloyd's of London.
Malaysian Airlines have probably set aside what they believe will be needed to pay out compensation to whoever are entitled to it because the beneficiaries will be a third party who's contracts are with Malaysian Airlines who will have to try and recover these costs from the insurers.

What beneficiaries? Compensation will be to families and relatives, who have no privity of contract with Malaysian Airlines. Their claims will be in tort, I would think, as modified by treaties, laws and applicable regulations, if any. There will be serious questions of death, manner of death and perhaps place (jurisdiction).

It will be ugly.

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:   * The Malaysian government owns the airline...

A news report copied on here week before last states that they have already had set aside $US750 towards future compensation payouts..

THE airline appears to be a "self insurer", for this sort of situation.
However you may try to "spin" it, and how hard ~ the Malaysian government still loses out, big time..


* ALSO, in that same week before last : The Malaysian foreign minister confirmed that Malaysia was picking up all of the tab for the costs of the search efforts in the Indian Ocean...

The costs of this search are certain to run into  hundreds of millions of dollars ~ "that's a given".  

* JUST on these figures that the Malaysian government has already released, it will be facing combined losses of at least $1.5 billion ~ possibly even well over $2 billion..


* IN ADDITION, Malaysian Airlines has been in financial strife for the last couple of years, and hasn't returned a profit in sometime...

WHATEVER the outcome of this search, and the financial fallout to come, it wouldn't be any sort of surprise to see Malaysian Airlines being sold off.  

The Malaysian government own the majority stake holding of 52% n Malaysian Airlines and the insurance is underwritten by Etiqa who have probably re-insured their liabilities with a syndicate on somewhere like Lloyd's of London.
Malaysian Airlines have probably set aside what they believe will be needed to pay out compensation to whoever are entitled to it because the beneficiaries will be a third party who's contracts are with Malaysian Airlines who will have to try and recover these costs from the insurers.

What beneficiaries?  Compensation will be to families and relatives, who have no privity of contract with Malaysian Airlines.  Their claims will be in tort, I would think, as modified by treaties, laws and applicable regulations, if any. There will be serious questions of death, manner of death and perhaps place (jurisdiction).

It will be ugly.

It will. The Montreal Convention,1999 governs claims on international flights. Passengers or beneficiaries are entitled to any proven damages up to a fixed amount. The spread on payouts will limit the financial liabilities on any one given insurer but overall the bill will be hefty.

I tend to believe the CIA conspiracy. It sort of adds up to all that has been happening in the past. So I see this as Malaysia being a fatally assaulted mugged victim.

Not that we will ever know the truth but I would so like to do this to ALL those intentionally connected to loss of all these lives.  ::fishffight:: ::d&f:: 

Sassy wrote:

Bee's just a fuckwit basically Eddie...

 

  

ALL class there, I must say !!!

Showing us just what a real and genuine "lady" she is at heart..

AND letting us all know where she's basically coming from with her continuous hate-mongering on here !   

  THE Aussie Search Headquarters announced this arvo' that another two clearer "pings" were heard this morning, though some 300 kms (!) from where the Chinese ship had heard some earlier and more vague sounds a couple of days ago...

The American Navy's ship was heading into this section with their black box detection unit, as I write..


  I made a little boo-boo here yesterday, (and as rare an event as we all know that to be..).  

I wrote that the total search area was "80,000 square kilometres" ~ when I should have said 80,000 square miles ~ that's some 216,000 square kilometres !  

captainJane wrote:
I tend to believe the CIA conspiracy. It sort of adds up to all that has been happening in the past. So I see this as Malaysia being a fatally assaulted mugged victim.

Not that we will ever know the truth but I would so like to do this to ALL those intentionally connected to loss of all these lives.  ::fishffight:: ::d&f:: 

 
 

IN THAT case, you're on the wrong thread here, Cap' !!!
That other thread is to be found over there ==> "exit stage right" ! :: 

Lone Wolf wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Bee's just a fuckwit basically Eddie...

 

  

ALL class there, I must say !!!

Showing us just what a real and genuine "lady" she is at heart..

AND letting us all know where she's basically coming from with her continuous hate-mongering on here !     

Haha...she's been desperate lately. Too much goin' on, I s'pose.

Oh dear Quill, you do keep showing your true colours don't you.

Last updated: 07 Apr 2014 06:07
Signals picked up by an Australian ship searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 have been consistent with the aircraft’s flight recorders, Australian officials have said.

"Clearly, this is a most promising lead," Angus Houston, head of the Australian agency coordinating the search, told a news conference in Perth, the capital of Western Australia where search efforts have been organised.

Houston, a retired air chief marshal, said two signals had been detected by a black box detector attached to the ship off Australia's northwest coast, according to Reuters news agency.

The United States Navy "pinger locator" connected to the Australian ship Ocean Shield was trawling an area some 555 kilometres away from the site where the Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 reported seperate signals with the same frequency.

The first detection held for 2.5 hours before the ship lost contact. After turning around, the ship picked up the signal for around 13 minutes, he said.

'Confirmation might take days'

Confirmation of whether the signals were emitted from the Malaysian plane, missing since March 8 with 239 people on board, could take several days, Houston said.

The black boxes, thought be to lying on the ocean floor, are equipped with locator beacons that send pings, but the beacons' batteries are thought to be running out of charge by now, a month after the aircraft disappeared.

If the signals can be narrowed further, an unmanned underwater vehicle, Bluefin 21, will be sent to attempt to locate wreckage on the sea floor to verify the signals, said Houston, who noted that the potential search area was 4.5km deep.

"We are right on the edge of capability and we might be limited on capability if the aircraft ended up in deeper water," he said.

"In very deep oceanic water, nothing happens fast," he added.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/southasia/2014/04/signals-boost-plane-search-20144745039249777.html

Very deep there, but the best news so far.

Haha...the Easter egg hunt goes on. When we find the black boxes, I'll bet we miraculously find them detached from any discernible aircraft or debris.

The trail is supposed to attenuate at this point. Follow the script, children! Everybody go home.

Teams searching for missing flight MH370 believe they may have detected the plane's black box flight recorders after a ship picked up signals in the southern Indian Ocean.

The Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield picked up signals twice, around 370 miles north of where two signals were detected by a Chinese ship on Saturday.

Crucially, there were two distinct pinger returns - suggesting transmissions from a flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder on a Boeing 777 jet.

Angus Houston, the former Australian defence chief heading the search, said the information was "the most promising lead" in the search so far.

http://news.sky.com/story/1238154/missing-plane-mh370-team-detect-two-signals

Original Quill wrote:Haha...the Easter egg hunt goes on.  When we find the black boxes, I'll bet we miraculously find them detached from any discernible aircraft or debris.

The trail is supposed to attenuate at this point.  Follow the script, children!  Everybody go home.

So the black boxes have parachutes and are jettisoned into the water from the fuselage through a specially designed black box doorway on impact with the sea bed.....

How will they retrieve them from the unbroken whole plane at such depths ?.

gerber wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Haha...the Easter egg hunt goes on.  When we find the black boxes, I'll bet we miraculously find them detached from any discernible aircraft or debris.

The trail is supposed to attenuate at this point.  Follow the script, children!  Everybody go home.

So the black boxes have parachutes and are jettisoned into the water from the fuselage through a specially designed black box doorway on impact with the sea bed.....

How will they retrieve them from the unbroken whole plane at such depths ?.

The plane won't be unbroken Gerbs, not with that impact, hitting the sea is the same as hitting a concrete wall from that height. To begin with they are going to use underwater drones and sonar to map the sea floor.

Sassy wrote:

gerber wrote:

So the black boxes have parachutes and are jettisoned into the water from the fuselage through a specially designed black box doorway on impact with the sea bed.....

How will they retrieve them from the unbroken whole plane at such depths ?.

The plane won't be unbroken Gerbs, not with that impact, hitting the sea is the same as hitting a concrete wall from that height.   To begin with they are going to use underwater drones and sonar to map the sea floor.  

Agreed but that is one thought process coming out of the experts....... And where is any debris ? the junk found so far may have floating for months if not years. But all bits of plane sunk......

gerber wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Haha...the Easter egg hunt goes on.  When we find the black boxes, I'll bet we miraculously find them detached from any discernible aircraft or debris.

The trail is supposed to attenuate at this point.  Follow the script, children!  Everybody go home.

So the black boxes have parachutes and are jettisoned into the water from the fuselage through a specially designed black box doorway on impact with the sea bed.....

How will they retrieve them from the unbroken whole plane at such depths ?.

Are you asking, or telling?

They will state that the boxes are irretrievable from such depths.

Parachutes? Right now, I'm having visions of some snickering Navy personnel throwing the boxes overboard, sans aircraft. There may be boxes down there, but I'll only believe it's an aircraft when I see it.

gerber wrote:

Sassy wrote:

The plane won't be unbroken Gerbs, not with that impact, hitting the sea is the same as hitting a concrete wall from that height.   To begin with they are going to use underwater drones and sonar to map the sea floor.  

Agreed but that is one thought process coming out of the experts.......  And where is any debris ?  the junk found so far may have floating for months if not years.  But all bits of plane sunk......

The debris would have broken up and sunk and everything would have moved quite a way by now with currents and rough seas. And I'm pretty sure that black boxes simply go down with the aircraft but are waterproof and weighted so that they stay in one position. Don't think parachutes are involved in any way.

  

 Update: ~ 19:30 hrs AEST (approx. 10:30 am GMT/UT) ~ posted the following. Internet is so slo here it could take hours to upload !!!

AFTER earlier speculation about the discovery of the black box (see below..), the PM and the search controllers seemed to take a step back later in the day, to state that they were pretty sure that they had located the black box; and had narrowed the search zone even more..

(I'VE just managed to get back on the internet a few minutes ago !)>

THE folioing was posted at ~ 13:00 hours AEST ~ that was around 4:00 am UT (GMT) ~ it's taken over 8 hours already to upload !   

A "BLACK BOX" has been found in the Indian Ocean earlier today, it has been been reported on radio bulletins down here over the last couple of hours...

STILL to be confirmed where exactly it is from..

THE PM as set to make an announcement with the next hour..

FOR latest reports. check out the Oz media sites :

Fairfax media
News Ltd

ABC Australia

Channel Nine
Channel Ten
Channel Seven

 

The search control centre announced this arvo' (i.e. several hours ago, reported on the 6 p.m. news here..), that they will begin using the US Navy's "submersible autonomous vehicle" robotic submarine thingy tomorrow...

For the past few days they have been employing a black box detector towed behind a naval ship, to narrow down the search area even further..
The fun for them of trawling water that that can be over 4.5 kms deep.   

Mini-Sub To Join MH370 Search As Slick Found
Teams searching for flight MH370 find an oil slick in the area where "pings" possibly from a black box were detected.

Search teams are preparing to use a mini-submarine to scan the sea bed for wreckage from flight MH370 "as soon as possible".

Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, leading the search, told a news conference an oil slick had been found within the current search zone of the southern Indian Ocean.

Speaking at a press conference in Perth, he said: "We haven't had a single detection in six days so I guess it's time to go underwater."

Mr Houston cautioned that the use of unmanned submarine, Bluefin-21, should not raise hopes that debris from the aircraft will be found.

"Again, I emphasise that this will be a slow process," he said.

He said two litres of oil were found by Australian vessel Ocean Shield in the area where four "pings" possibly from a black box recorder were detected last week.

The oil is being examined to see if it is aviation fuel, but that process could take several days.

The slick was found 5,500 metres from where the possible signals were detected.

Updated: 7:34am UK, Monday 14 April 2014
By Nick Martin, Sky News Correspondent, in Perth
http://news.sky.com/story/1241978/mini-sub-to-join-mh370-search-as-slick-found

If it is aviation fuel it will lend credance, if it's not, who knows.

another smokescreen no doubt

VOD(original) wrote:another smokescreen no doubt

Yep.
Ever noticed that "true" stories just have minimal facts and keep being repeated, whereas false stories have many leads, twists and turns and nothing is very clear?

I no longer believe the thing is in the south Indian Ocean. But I'll let them play. If they turn up anything, then I'm wrong.

But I want to see some identifiable wreckage. Anyone can plant a black box. This whole thing stinks.

Original Quill wrote:I no longer believe the thing is in the south Indian Ocean.  But I'll let them play.  If they turn up anything, then I'm wrong.

But I  want to see some identifiable wreckage.  Anyone can plant a black box.  This whole thing stinks.

Big whole planes do not sink without leaving a trace behind.
It stinks big time.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I no longer believe the thing is in the south Indian Ocean.  But I'll let them play.  If they turn up anything, then I'm wrong.

But I  want to see some identifiable wreckage.  Anyone can plant a black box.  This whole thing stinks.

Big whole planes do not sink without leaving a trace behind.
It stinks big time.

Guys time to wave the white flag, surrender the better beings. They have found an oil slick of several litres........ No pings for six days so they must be now looking for the pongs........

I am truly amazed at the oil slick find. The negligence of the crews that had been flying overhead for days and the ships in the area, must have so busy concentrating on the pings they forgot about all else.

Heard tonight they doubt the sub will be able to find the plane as the seabed is very silty ( Not salty though it is any way ! ) and 370 might now be under the silt.

Next excuse................ or is it just me ?

In conclusion, oil found, not alot but a drizzle, no pings and no plane on bottom due to being covered...... And we are supposed to listen, bow and turn over ready for tomorrow.......

gerber wrote:

eddie wrote:

Big whole planes do not sink without leaving a trace behind.
It stinks big time.

Guys time to wave the white flag, surrender the better beings.  They have found an oil slick of several litres........  No pings for six days so they must be now looking for the pongs........

I am truly amazed at the oil slick find.  The negligence of the crews that had been flying overhead for days and the ships in the area, must have so busy concentrating on the pings they forgot about all else.

Heard tonight they doubt the sub will be able to find the plane as the seabed is very silty ( Not salty though it is any way ! ) and 370 might now be under the silt.

Next excuse................  or is it just me ?

In conclusion, oil found, not alot but a drizzle, no pings and no plane on bottom due to being covered...... And we are supposed to listen, bow and turn over ready for tomorrow.......

Precisely. All wrapped up, nice and neat, for Easter.

Well it says in that Sky news report they found 2 litres of oil, which is hardly an 'oil slick'. If they can that small amount in an ocean that big they shouldnt have any problems finding a fecking big plane should they.

And anyway. Surely that 'oil slick' would have broken up by now what with the 19 foot waves and all.

Lone Wolf wrote: 

The search control centre announced this arvo' (i.e. several hours ago, reported on the 6 p.m. news here..), that they will begin using the US Navy's "submersible autonomous vehicle" robotic submarine thingy tomorrow...

For the past few days they have been employing a black box detector towed behind a naval ship, to narrow down the search area even further..
The fun for them of trawling water that that can be over 4.5 kms deep.   

  

THE search mob sneaked in and launched the robot submarine at 20:15 hours AEST last night (17:45 or 16:45 around that Indian Ocean site ?).

SO it's already done one pass :

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/04/15/mh370-robot-submersible-dives-too-deep-comes-back-early/

http://www.theage.com.au/national/search-for-mh370-underwater-vehicle-bluefin21-deployed-to-find-planes-wreckage-20140414-36n2k.html

  

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AS FOR you lot's growing conspiracy plots :

IT still seems too much of a stretch to have over twenty countries conspiring together to murder over 200 innocent civilians and then steal and hide an airliner, simply to kidnap a handful of questionable "electronics experts" !!!

WOULD have been a lot easier, cheaper, quicker and cleaner to simply snatch them on the ground somewhere, surely..   

harvesmom wrote:Well it says in that Sky news report they found 2 litres of oil, which is hardly an 'oil slick'. If they can that small amount in an ocean that big they shouldnt have any problems finding a fecking big plane should they.

And anyway. Surely that 'oil slick' would have broken up by now what with the 19 foot waves and all.

WHAT "19 foot waves " would that be, then ~ that was simply one bulldust post from one British newspaper two weeks ago...

THE truth is that the sea over there at this time has a swell up to 5 metres on a sea of up to 5 metres, meaning that the waves actually have a range of 16 to 33 feet in height !

THAT is what happens when education systems (Britain, the USA) refuse to properly teach metrication systems as part of their Maths syllabus..  

Lone Wolf wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote: 

The search control centre announced this arvo' (i.e. several hours ago, reported on the 6 p.m. news here..), that they will begin using the US Navy's "submersible autonomous vehicle" robotic submarine thingy tomorrow...

For the past few days they have been employing a black box detector towed behind a naval ship, to narrow down the search area even further..
The fun for them of trawling water that that can be over 4.5 kms deep.   

  

THE search mob sneaked in and launched the robot submarine at 20:15 hours AEST last night (17:45 or 16:45 around that Indian Ocean site ?).

SO it's already done one pass :

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/04/15/mh370-robot-submersible-dives-too-deep-comes-back-early/

http://www.theage.com.au/national/search-for-mh370-underwater-vehicle-bluefin21-deployed-to-find-planes-wreckage-20140414-36n2k.html

  

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AS FOR you lot's growing conspiracy plots :

IT still seems too much of a stretch to have over twenty countries conspiring together to murder over 200 innocent civilians and then steal and hide an airliner, simply to kidnap a handful of questionable "electronics experts" !!!

WOULD have been a lot easier, cheaper, quicker and cleaner to simply snatch them on the ground somewhere, surely..     

Your dose of bracing logic is quite appreciated! Yes, if there was a conspiracy to abduct/kill the passengers, it would be far less suspicious if they were picked off one at a time rather than abducted/killed in the middle of the Biggest Story in the World

On an only tangentially related note -- in Cuba, it's customary to name boys after the biggest, baddest thing you can see.

Of course, the U.S. Navy has a base there, with big, bad ships coming in and out all the time.

So "Usnavy" (oos-NAH-vee) is now a fairly common given name for Cuban males. Go ahead, do a google for "Usnavy Rodriguez," etc.