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It's an invasion - I'm worried.

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

did anyone say you would never see the plans, i don't think they did, are you making stuff up again ..  

PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points

do you have access to everything the other parties are planning...  

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points

do you have access to everything the other parties are planning...  

Did you see me claim to?

Nope ha ha again poor divergence tactics, not my fault I am able to expose poor lies from posters

 

Look at the quality of Labours forward predictions on the economy - they had the country sinking without a trace.

sphinx wrote:Look at the quality of Labours forward predictions on the economy - they had the country sinking without a trace.

Dear me, a fair point but also a poor reply after your big fib on UKIP


Do not make claims you cannot back up Sphinx

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:I must remember this one, I know they are detailed plans even though I have never seen the plans.

DOH

 

did anyone say you would never see the plans, i don't think they did, are you making stuff up again ..  

PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points

Your dead right Didge in that if these detailed plans that they have right now are not relevant right now then that doesn't really fit in with what Sphinx said earlier when she said that they do have economic plans but recognize that economics are not a static state and that figures from today will be meaningless this time next year.

Activists making it up as they go along really.

sphinx wrote:Look at the quality of Labours forward predictions on the economy - they had the country sinking without a trace.

So that's the plan then?

Irn Bru wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points

Your dead right Didge in that if these detailed plans that they have right now are not relevant right now then that doesn't really fit in with what Sphinx said earlier when she said that they do have economic plans but recognize that economics are not a static state and that figures from today will be meaningless this time next year.

Activists making it up as they go along really.

To be honest I had not thought of your point until you mentioned Irn and it just proves further there is no detailed plans.
Fair enough Sphinx supports the party on their ideas alone, but should not try to fool people into thinking something which is not the case, if UKIP were to claim the same, they would lose support very quickly as this would be exposed easily as a sham

So excellent point

we have had two main parties put forward countless long and short term plans that would be instituted when they get elected, plans that were scrapped before even seeing the light of day..
parties have lied, promised, lied again and yet suddenly they expect UKIP to be perfect it is quite laughable...

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:we have had two main parties put forward countless long and short term plans that would be instituted when they get elected, plans that were scrapped before even seeing the light of day..
parties have lied, promised, lied again and yet suddenly they expect UKIP to be perfect it is quite laughable...

Never claimed for UKIP to be perfect, all I want to see is their detailed plans, which as seen they do not have any

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:we have had two main parties put forward countless long and short term plans that would be instituted when they get elected, plans that were scrapped before even seeing the light of day..
parties have lied, promised, lied again and yet suddenly they expect UKIP to be perfect it is quite laughable...

Never claimed for UKIP to be perfect, all I want to see is their detailed plans, which as seen they do not have any

Labour have managed to avoid policy statements for years. Those they have they have backtracked on. As to UKIP Didge they are touching a nerve. A lot of people have real concerns that the political classes of which I wonder whether you are one have no interest in recognising.

They have studiously avoided immigration debate by calling those expressing concerns racist. They still do. They have studiously avoided referenda and make feeble excuses why not Irns a specialist. They (the EU) seek to go for more integration by stealth towards a social union which no one signed up for and yet the main parties in the main collaborate. I accept more Tories don't than do BTW.

It seems you have joined the disseminators of dodgy figures. e.g. only 20% are concerned about the EU??? Really?? I have issues with UKIP they might just damage the Tory vote and let Labour in with a landslide. Labour and Liberals have made it clear they don't give a stuff about peoples concerns over Europe.

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:we have had two main parties put forward countless long and short term plans that would be instituted when they get elected, plans that were scrapped before even seeing the light of day..
parties have lied, promised, lied again and yet suddenly they expect UKIP to be perfect it is quite laughable...

Never claimed for UKIP to be perfect, all I want to see is their detailed plans, which as seen they do not have any

Go along to your local branch.

I do keep telling you this.

Their plans are no less detailed than those of the other parties.

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:we have had two main parties put forward countless long and short term plans that would be instituted when they get elected, plans that were scrapped before even seeing the light of day..
parties have lied, promised, lied again and yet suddenly they expect UKIP to be perfect it is quite laughable...

Never claimed for UKIP to be perfect, all I want to see is their detailed plans, which as seen they do not have any

I do not think for one minute they do not have them but they will have to release something sooner or later, even if they do every election each party argues the validity of its opponents plans and argues they are impossible or cannot be met by cost, so any plans any party lays down are open to debate any way.

the fact is UKIP will claim the money saved from being in the eu will fund some or all of their plans, a point which will be countered but only time will tell..  

kevins58 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



Never claimed for UKIP to be perfect, all I want to see is their detailed plans, which as seen they do not have any

Labour have managed to avoid policy statements for years. Those they have they have backtracked on. As to UKIP Didge they are touching a nerve. A lot of people have real concerns that the political classes of which I wonder whether you are one have no interest in recognising.
What has Labour got to do with me asking for viable policies on UKIP, that is a complete copout again. Political classes, WTF, I see people as people some have different views, some sadly have extreme views, I do not though place them into a group I do not speak to or would shun, that is absurd. I understand people have concerns on immigration and many also want to negotiate with the EU over rules, which again as seen are often ignored. It is the government that implements any of these laws at the end of the day, as the EU has no police force to enact its rules. So again I am very much on the fence over the EU and hence why decent honest dialogue is required going forward, not scaremongering bullshit   

They have studiously avoided immigration debate by calling those expressing concerns racist. They still do. They have studiously avoided referenda and make feeble excuses why not Irns a specialist. They (the EU) seek to go for more integration by stealth towards a social union which no one signed up for and yet the main parties in the main collaborate. I accept more Tories don't than do BTW.
Yes that is Labour, I am a Tory, so your points have little relevance to me, and thus you are directing at the wrong person. As to your points on a Soviet Union now you are being a right wally, again who is enforcing these rules, are we being threatened with invasions, sanctions? No, so you again use poor scare tactics  

It seems you have joined the disseminators of dodgy figures. e.g. only 20% are concerned about the EU??? Really?? I have issues with UKIP they might just damage the Tory vote and let Labour in with a landslide. Labour and Liberals have made it clear they don't give a stuff about peoples concerns over Europe.

No you clearly cannot read can you, I said 20% want out of the EU, I never said only 20% have concerns over the EU, so again try reading a post before answering because you always bark up the wrong tree.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



Never claimed for UKIP to be perfect, all I want to see is their detailed plans, which as seen they do not have any

Go along to your local branch.

I do keep telling you this.

Their plans are no less detailed than those of the other parties.  

lol..he can't or won't read..lol

Dear me, now I need to go to my local branch where of course UKIP will not publish their plans online, but go to a local brach, I will then have to strip naked have hot candle wax dripped over my nipples, running around with my buttocks whipped with celery, whilst chanting the Farage is our leader song to now see these detailed plans.

Sphinx, the more you dig yourself this hole, the more you are looking silly

PhilDidge wrote:Dear me, now I need to go to my local branch where of course UKIP will not publish their plans online, but go to a local brach, I will then have to strip naked have hot candle wax dripped over my nipples, running around with my buttocks whipped with celery, whilst chanting the Farage is our leader song to now see these detailed plans.

Sphinx, the more you dig yourself this hole, the more you are looking silly

says the one stripped naked with wax on their nipples...  

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Dear me, now I need to go to my local branch where of course UKIP will not publish their plans online, but go to a local brach, I will then have to strip naked have hot candle wax dripped over my nipples, running around with my buttocks whipped with celery, whilst chanting the Farage is our leader song to now see these detailed plans.

Sphinx, the more you dig yourself this hole, the more you are looking silly

says the one stripped naked with wax on their nipples...  

PMSL, I can tell you Sphinx got my irony, but never mind ha ha

Joy Division wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:Go UKIP, it's the only way forward for this country..  

But you don't know anything about them...only what they say they will do of they came to power, and they have never governed before, I would sooner trust the Conservatives than them...if I had to make that choice.

I think that's the idea JD - everybody knows how terrible the others have done, we'd rather have a dead cat in 10 Downing Street.

Sorry - or Scotland's Leader's residence.   

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


But you don't know anything about them...only what they say they will do of they came to power, and they have never governed before, I would sooner trust the Conservatives than them...if I had to make that choice.

I think that's the idea JD - everybody knows how terrible the others have done, we'd rather have a dead cat in 10 Downing Street.

Sorry - or Scotland's Leader's residence.     

In your humble opinion the others are terrible, I happen to disagree but hey ho that is your view.
Nigel has Charisma, but as yet has not been tested on his policies Andy, which if he fails to convince i am sure you will see his support slide downhill

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


But you don't know anything about them...only what they say they will do of they came to power, and they have never governed before, I would sooner trust the Conservatives than them...if I had to make that choice.

I think that's the idea JD - everybody knows how terrible the others have done, we'd rather have a dead cat in 10 Downing Street.

Sorry - or Scotland's Leader's residence.     

I've got beyond it's better the devil you know...  

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

says the one stripped naked with wax on their nipples...  

PMSL, I can tell you Sphinx got my irony, but never mind ha ha

Actually its making me yawn as its getting boring.

You keep demanding something (information on policies) but refuse information on where you can get it (UKIP branches) by whatever method you think will work.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

I think that's the idea JD - everybody knows how terrible the others have done, we'd rather have a dead cat in 10 Downing Street.

Sorry - or Scotland's Leader's residence.     

In your humble opinion the others are terrible, I happen to disagree but hey ho that is your view.
Nigel has Charisma, but as yet has not been tested on his policies Andy, which if he fails to convince i am sure you will see his support slide downhill

The only way he could be tested is if we saw him in 10 Downing Street.

If you think a Party saying what their policies are means that's what they will be, you've been taken for a ride the past 30 years or however long you've been here didge.

Lib dems policy on student fees for example.

I am sure all those students getting neck deep in debt are so glad the party promising the end of student fees is in government.

sphinx wrote:Lib dems policy on student fees for example.

I am sure all those students getting neck deep in debt are so glad the party promising the end of student fees is in government.

But the OP wanted to talk about the invasion sphinx!

Talk about the invasion.

This is my answer to Iron Brew's invasion worries:

Why would you worry - you live nowhere near the muslim enclaves of Bradford, Leicester or West Midlands, so you can sit up there sneering at others who are worried about their children.

BigAndy9 wrote:This is my answer to Iron Brew's invasion worries:

Why would you worry - you live nowhere near the muslim enclaves of Bradford, Leicester or West Midlands, so you can sit up there sneering at others who are worried about their children.

Which I answered....

Do you think the EU means any harm to children Andy?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


But you don't know anything about them...only what they say they will do of they came to power, and they have never governed before, I would sooner trust the Conservatives than them...if I had to make that choice.

I think that's the idea JD - everybody knows how terrible the others have done, we'd rather have a dead cat in 10 Downing Street.

Sorry - or Scotland's Leader's residence.     

definitely well said Andy

Well in JD.

However let me say this. UKP are an unknown quantity in govt. Labour are already known to be the most damaging party to the economy and have been getting it wrong throughout their period of opposition. Therefore we can safely say Labour are probably worse than UKIP.

kevins58 wrote:Well in JD.

However let me say this. UKP are an unknown quantity in govt. Labour are already known to be the most damaging party to the economy and have been getting it wrong throughout their period of opposition. Therefore we can safely say Labour are probably worse than UKIP.

Labour were the most damaging thing to ever happen to this country!

And they are still a threat!

Dont worry UKIP are taking their traditional voters at a rate even though the party masters keeps trying to fool everyone with the "disgruntled tories" line in the belief that their core voters are too thick to see the truth.

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

did anyone say you would never see the plans, i don't think they did, are you making stuff up again ..  

PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points

Phil you exhibit all the qualities of a lefty these days. UKIP is not my party I want a RW tory party but they better reflect my views than Cleegy or Milliband. I take it you prefer Clegg?

kevins58 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

did anyone say you would never see the plans, i don't think they did, are you making stuff up again ..  

PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points

Phil you exhibit all the qualities of a lefty these days. UKIP is not my party I want a RW tory party but they better reflect my views than Cleegy or Milliband. I take it you prefer Clegg?

No he doesn't. Didge is just asking the type of questions you would expect from someone who wants answers from someone who is claiming that UKIP has detailed economic policies.

Where are they?

Where are Labours Irn Bru. They studiously avoided details until recently. That is hardly unheard of. Indeed Labour has seen its predictions trashed about the UK and has been embarrassed about backing France. A double whammy methinks.

kevins58 wrote:Where are Labours Irn Bru. They studiously avoided details until recently. That is hardly unheard of. Indeed Labour has seen its predictions trashed about the UK and has been embarrassed about backing France. A double whammy methinks.

I'm not claiming that Labour have them although I'm sure they will have in time and put them in their manifesto. Sphinx is claiming UKIP already have detailed economic policies but can't say what they are - its a secret you see.

Irn Bru wrote:

kevins58 wrote:Where are Labours Irn Bru. They studiously avoided details until recently. That is hardly unheard of. Indeed Labour has seen its predictions trashed about the UK and has been embarrassed about backing France. A double whammy methinks.

I'm not claiming that Labour have them although I'm sure they will have in time and put them in their manifesto. Sphinx is claiming UKIP already have detailed economic policies but can't say what they are  - its a secret you see.

Fair enough Irn, she is unwise to believe that given that the economic circumstances are changing rapidly and I might add favourably in terms of growth etc. I am still concerned we haven't cut back the huge bloated govt nearly enough to be safe though. The deficit is still too large and it is entirely due to having a state sector which is unsustainable.

If Labour win they will find that out the hard way no doubt.

kevins58 wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

I'm not claiming that Labour have them although I'm sure they will have in time and put them in their manifesto. Sphinx is claiming UKIP already have detailed economic policies but can't say what they are  - its a secret you see.

Fair enough Irn, she is unwise to believe that given that the economic circumstances are changing rapidly and I might add favourably in terms of growth etc. I am still concerned we haven't cut back the huge bloated govt nearly enough to be safe though. The deficit is still too large and it is entirely due to having a state sector which is unsustainable.

If Labour win they will find that out the hard way no doubt.

What happened to the burning of the quango's?

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



PMSL, I can tell you Sphinx got my irony, but never mind ha ha

Actually its making me yawn as its getting boring.

You keep demanding something (information on policies) but refuse information on where you can get it (UKIP branches) by whatever method you think will work.

Well we know one thing some UKIP supporters have a sense of humour failure to still keep telling porkie pies over detailed plans that are so secretive you have to go down your local UKIP office


Do me a favour and stop being a complete muppet, you have no detailed policies, you know it and are doing what most MP's do best lie out of your arse

sphinx wrote:Dont worry UKIP are taking their traditional voters at a rate even though the party masters keeps trying to fool everyone with the "disgruntled tories" line in the belief that their core voters are too thick to see the truth.

Really?

All you UKIP are doing is taking most of the white working class male voters, many women, are not drawn to them being as they have a tag of chauvinism, little ethnic minorities and most people who have intelligence that can see past the bull, that they are very discriminating in their views. Most are drawn for the novelty, but when it comes to the crunch and people want something viable on the economy, you will have celebrated your one or two seats in Parliament, that is the reality of the situation. You see because when it comes to the economy Nigel is going to get annihilated, when already he has no idea on his own manifesto a couple of years ago, let alone being able to formulate a comprehensive economic policy, but you keep the pipe dream, you remind me of the many BNP supporters of old, thinking they would landslide the election and flopped a massive nose dive.

No matter how much people pipe on about the EU or immigrants one thing is always more important to people.

The economy.

Yes I am all for more to be done like I said on the EU as I am on the fence with it, but not daft enough to think that leaving is the only option or concerned how UKIP was also no doubt implement measures on immigrants here to the extent of discrimination, hence why I see them as nothing more than a dressed up version of the BNP, so enjoy the poll support it counts for didley in a general election

http://www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/what-we-stand-for

Much info if one reads

gerber wrote:http://www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/what-we-stand-for

Much info if one reads

Read it Gerber no detail again

What I am wondering more than anything though is what will UKIP do if people vote to stay in the EU, if by a chance they did get into power?


Will that not scupper just about 90% of their policies making their near entire manifesto redundant?

Just wondered if UKIP followers BA or Sphinx could clarify UKIP's policy on welfare?..

Apart from the..' Welfare will be a safety net for those most needy and not a bed for the lazy'..

I've strong feeling that they will make most on benefits work full time for their money, but that would surely be
Illegal to do that?...

No wonder they want us rid of the EU, so they can shaft the poor even further.

PhilDidge wrote:

gerber wrote:http://www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/what-we-stand-for

Much info if one reads

Read it Gerber no detail again

That's it Didge, there is very little explanation , no real plan, only ideas and words ...yet people expect us to believe they will do so much good by this country ?

Pffftt....I would sooner vote Conservative than this bunch of racist appeasers.

Joy Division wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:




Read it Gerber no detail again

That's it Didge, there is very little explanation , no real plan, only ideas and words ...yet people expect us to believe they will do so much good by this country ?

Pffftt....I would sooner vote Conservative than this bunch of racist appeasers.

The problem is what will UKIP do if people vote to stay in, that would be democratic and thus most of their policies would become redundant.


Oh you will love this NHS policy they proposed, that people pay to jump the A&E que

  

PhilDidge wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

That's it Didge, there is very little explanation , no real plan, only ideas and words ...yet people expect us to believe they will do so much good by this country ?

Pffftt....I would sooner vote Conservative than this bunch of racist appeasers.

The problem is what will UKIP do if people vote to stay in, that would be democratic and thus most of their policies would become redundant.


Oh you will love this NHS policy they proposed, that people pay to jump the A&E que

  

And there you have it. If they voted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can't get a vote Labour Liberals and the Tory leadership to a point are making sure they don't get a vote.

The question isn't whether the EU is good or bad its whether it is democratic enough to allow ratification of its transition from Common market to Pan European govt.

kevins58 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


The problem is what will UKIP do if people vote to stay in, that would be democratic and thus most of their policies would become redundant.


Oh you will love this NHS policy they proposed, that people pay to jump the A&E que

  

And there you have it. If they voted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can't get a vote Labour Liberals and the Tory leadership to a point are making sure they don't get a vote.

The question isn't whether the EU is good or bad its whether it is democratic enough to allow ratification of its transition from Common market to Pan European govt.

Bull, the Tories have promised if they get back in to have a vote, so to say they will not is bull, untill it does not happen drinky.

As to the EU being democratic it has no real power of which you keep missing, as where is the EU Police force, the EU army to enforce EU rulings? There is none showing you play off fear.

Again I am on the fence with the EU because I want an honest view and debate to show what will be the pro's and cons, I back the view of the PM to negotiate, which you fail to understand many others do, again it is only around 20% who want to get out now, others like me have concerns over the EY, but I also see they have little power

PhilDidge wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

That's it Didge, there is very little explanation , no real plan, only ideas and words ...yet people expect us to believe they will do so much good by this country ?

Pffftt....I would sooner vote Conservative than this bunch of racist appeasers.

The problem is what will UKIP do if people vote to stay in, that would be democratic and thus most of their policies would become redundant.


Oh you will love this NHS policy they proposed, that people pay to jump the A&E que

  

...oh that's just charming, the rich will be ok , but the poor May bleed to death eh...

What a load of cobblers from a bunch of clowns, Farage is hell bent on taking us out of the EU and then UKIP would be free to do as they wish to the poorer of Britain, who would have less rights amongst other things.

Just a pity those who spread the word of UKIP forget to tell us things you have mentioned.

Joy Division wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


The problem is what will UKIP do if people vote to stay in, that would be democratic and thus most of their policies would become redundant.


Oh you will love this NHS policy they proposed, that people pay to jump the A&E que

  

...oh that's just charming, the rich will be ok , but the poor May bleed to death eh...

What a load of cobblers from a bunch of clowns, Farage is hell bent on taking us out of the EU and then UKIP would be free to do as they wish to the poorer of Britain, who would have less rights amongst other things.

Just a pity those who spread the word of UKIP forget to tell us things you have mentioned.

So it's the EU who take care of our poor?

I already jump the NHS queue - got a problem with that?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...oh that's just charming, the rich will be ok , but the poor May bleed to death eh...

What a load of cobblers from a bunch of clowns, Farage is hell bent on taking us out of the EU and then UKIP would be free to do as they wish to the poorer of Britain, who would have less rights amongst other things.

Just a pity those who spread the word of UKIP forget to tell us things you have mentioned.

So it's the EU who take care of our poor?

I already jump the NHS queue - got a problem with that?

How do you manage that Andy, by BUPA maybe, private health care?

We are though Andy talking about A&E a huge difference which you would not jump