UKIP Party Political Broadcast - Bradford

It's an invasion - I'm worried.

Why would you worry - you live nowhere near the muslim enclaves of Bradford, Leicester or West Midlands, so you can sit up there sneering at others who are worried about their children.

BigAndy9 wrote:Why would you worry - you live nowhere near the muslim enclaves of Bradford, Leicester or West Midlands, so you can sit up there sneering at others who are worried about their children.

Do you think the EU means any harm to children Andy?

So presumably Andy did not actually watch the video as it barely mentions immigration at all and Muslims not at all.

It does mention

• Lowering council tax by doing away with regional assemblies
  
• Improving education by returning to grammar schools and providing proper  vocational colleges while tightening exam standards
  
• Sorting the NHS by getting rid of layers of middle management, ring fencing funding for front line staff, and having GP surgeries open evenings
  
• Acting on crime by stopping early release, returning to local policing, and changing from powerless PCSOs back to "proper" PCs
  
• Funding all the above by stopping the haemorrhaging of money to the EU
  

Personally I think all of those are sensible worthy policies - and I am not sure why people disagree.

sphinx wrote:So presumably Andy did not actually watch the video as it barely mentions immigration at all and Muslims not at all.

It does mention

• Lowering council tax by doing away with regional assemblies
  But fails to show how this will save on council tax
  
  
• Improving education by returning to grammar schools and providing proper  vocational colleges while tightening exam standardsFails to show how this would be implimented or even work
  
  
• Sorting the NHS by getting rid of layers of middle management, ring fencing funding for front line staff, and having GP surgeries open evenings
  Fails again to show how this would work or even be implimented or who takes on the responsibility of the middle management roles
  
  
• Acting on crime by stopping early release, returning to local policing, and changing from powerless PCSOs back to "proper" PCs
  Eh? how is early release acting on crime and how they will make PC's proper again, no explanation
  
  
• Funding all the above by stopping the haemorrhaging of money to the EU
  But failing to account what loses in revenue may account for leaving the EU with loss of business and what charges the UK faces with exports within the EU itself
  

Personally I think all of those are sensible worthy policies - and I am not sure why people disagree.

Personally these are ideas with no details of if they are feasible or even workable

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:So presumably Andy did not actually watch the video as it barely mentions immigration at all and Muslims not at all.

It does mention

• Lowering council tax by doing away with regional assemblies
  But fails to show how this will save on council tax
  
  
• Improving education by returning to grammar schools and providing proper  vocational colleges while tightening exam standardsFails to show how this would be implimented or even work
  
  
• Sorting the NHS by getting rid of layers of middle management, ring fencing funding for front line staff, and having GP surgeries open evenings
  Fails again to show how this would work or even be implimented or who takes on the responsibility of the middle management roles
  
  
• Acting on crime by stopping early release, returning to local policing, and changing from powerless PCSOs back to "proper" PCs
  Eh? how is early release acting on crime and how they will make PC's proper again, no explanation
  
  
• Funding all the above by stopping the haemorrhaging of money to the EU
  But failing to account what loses in revenue may account for leaving the EU with loss of business and what charges the UK faces with exports within the EU itself
  

Personally I think all of those are sensible worthy policies - and I am not sure why people disagree.

Personally these are ideas with no details of if they are feasible or even workable

Well between you and Irn Bru if I may be so presumptuous and precis you we haven't got a hope just give in to the EU and allow Labour to ride roughshod over the views of the people. Peoples concerns are not to be taken seriously and the EUs avoidance of plebiscites is to be applauded.

Thanks a lot.

Go UKIP, it's the only way forward for this country..  

kevins58 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Personally these are ideas with no details of if they are feasible or even workable

Well between you and Irn Bru if I may be so presumptuous and precis you we haven't got a hope just give in to the EU and allow Labour to ride roughshod over the views of the people. Peoples concerns are not to be taken seriously and the EUs avoidance of plebiscites is to be applauded.

Thanks a lot.

Really, so now it is our fault that people are so absurd to think we are bound by EU laws, when we ignore many all the time, like for example no benefits being introduced to any new EU migrant that comes here.
Sorry UKIP plays on fears and is not the biggest concern in the country, it ranks fifth and first as always is the economy, which UKIP has no viable policies on.

We need to try to sort out the current situation with the EU and do this with gaining other nations on our side, we also need honest dialogue as to what it would constitute leaving the EU for Britain so people are well aware of any consequences for doing so.

At present 20% of the nation are against the EU, of this many are UKIP supporters, but are they being told the truth by their own party, because in many debates, this is clearly not the case and they play off fears from the EU.

The reality is we need to take a tougher stand with the EU, there is little they can do, but plenty they will be able to do though if we leave and that to me is the more concerning matter. We may gain 100% CONTROL AGAIN OVER OUR LAWS, BUT AT WHAT PRICE?

so do you think Britain actually wants all these immigrants coming here...  

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:so do you think Britain actually wants all these immigrants coming here...  

Britain or you?

kevins58 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Personally these are ideas with no details of if they are feasible or even workable

Well between you and Irn Bru if I may be so presumptuous and precis you we haven't got a hope just give in to the EU and allow Labour to ride roughshod over the views of the people. Peoples concerns are not to be taken seriously and the EUs avoidance of plebiscites is to be applauded.

Thanks a lot.

Didge is on his doom-mongering the EU will punish us for leaving track again. As I keep pointing out to him anything the EU attempts to do an independent UK and independent UK can do back and in all cases the EU will, in such an exchange, loose more that the UK.

If the EU slap charges on UK exports the money it costs us and more will be made up of the charges the UK puts on the EU exports.

As for businesses leaving - did they leave Hong Kong?

The UK will be 20 miles from the EU door offering production without the red tape, bureaucracy, and green charges meaning that even if the EU put the maximum charges they can without the international regulators getting involved it will be cheaper and more profitable for companies to build here. They will stop outsourcing to India and the sub continent and start out sourcing the UK.

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:Go UKIP, it's the only way forward for this country..  

But you don't know anything about them...only what they say they will do of they came to power, and they have never governed before, I would sooner trust the Conservatives than them...if I had to make that choice.

sphinx wrote:

kevins58 wrote:

Well between you and Irn Bru if I may be so presumptuous and precis you we haven't got a hope just give in to the EU and allow Labour to ride roughshod over the views of the people. Peoples concerns are not to be taken seriously and the EUs avoidance of plebiscites is to be applauded.

Thanks a lot.

Didge is on his doom-mongering the EU will punish us for leaving track again.  As I keep pointing out to him anything the EU attempts to do an independent UK and independent UK can do back and in all cases the EU will, in such an exchange, loose more that the UK.
No Didge is trying to have some honest discussion and forthcoming details from UKIP as to how they will run the country and what affects leaving the EU will bring which clearly is true as all you can do is badly divert about talking about me, showing how desperate your counter is

If the EU slap charges on UK exports the money it costs us and more will be made up of the charges the UK puts on the EU exports.
Oh my that will place many out of business, how absurd, because it will also increase the prices for the consumer here, or did you not think of that?

As for businesses leaving - did they leave Hong Kong?
Is Hong Kong in the EU, absurd again

The UK will be 20 miles from the EU door offering production without the red tape, bureaucracy, and green charges meaning that even if the EU put the maximum charges they can without the international regulators getting involved it will be cheaper and more profitable for companies to build here.  They will stop outsourcing to India and the sub continent and start out sourcing the UK.

And yet no idea of what will happen with foreign companies here, not being able to trade as they did within EU boundaries, which could see them leave because of new restrictions on the businesses here trading from the country. Again you miss points like this at every turn. I am all for a referendum on the EU if all else fails, but there is no transparency and honesty from UKIP on if we do leave.
You are going off a script sheet handed to you from the UKIP Mothers tea and cake social group, not anything viable about how any of their ideas will work, showing you have not the foresight to even look if they would work or where any money will come to make them workable

PhilDidge wrote:

kevins58 wrote:

Well between you and Irn Bru if I may be so presumptuous and precis you we haven't got a hope just give in to the EU and allow Labour to ride roughshod over the views of the people. Peoples concerns are not to be taken seriously and the EUs avoidance of plebiscites is to be applauded.

Thanks a lot.

Really, so now it is our fault that people are so absurd to think we are bound by EU laws, when we ignore many all the time, like for example no benefits being introduced to any new EU migrant that comes here.
Sorry UKIP plays on fears and is not the biggest concern in the country, it ranks fifth and first as always is the economy, which UKIP has no viable policies on.

We need to try to sort out the current situation with the EU and do this with gaining other nations on our side, we also need honest dialogue as to what it would constitute leaving the EU for Britain so people are well aware of any consequences for doing so.

At present 20% of the nation are against the EU, of this many are UKIP supporters, but are they being told the truth by their own party, because in many debates, this is clearly not the case and they play off fears from the EU.

The reality is we need to take a tougher stand with the EU, there is little they can do, but plenty they will be able to do though if we leave and that to me is the more concerning matter. We may gain 100% CONTROL AGAIN OVER OUR LAWS, BUT AT WHAT PRICE?

Nonsense Didge there are rather more than 20% with serious concerns about the EU. I see you get your crib sheets from Ken Clarke.

I know that the EU is very anti democratic and anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that. We joined a Common Trading area and ended up with a De Facto Socialist agenda covering so many areas outside those which relate to trade. I don't ever recall having a say in that. When we were told we would get a say over Lisbon they reneged. Shame on you Didge I'm sure you a lefty at heart.

Joy Division wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:Go UKIP, it's the only way forward for this country..  

But you don't know anything about them...only what they say they will do of they came to power, and they have never governed before, I would sooner trust the Conservatives than them...if I had to make that choice.

why trust the conservatives they promised a referendum when they got in this time and where is it??

The eu is bleeding this country dry and running it from brussels, we are connected to a huge ship with a huge whole in it, if we cut lose we may not sink with it.

kevins58 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



Really, so now it is our fault that people are so absurd to think we are bound by EU laws, when we ignore many all the time, like for example no benefits being introduced to any new EU migrant that comes here.
Sorry UKIP plays on fears and is not the biggest concern in the country, it ranks fifth and first as always is the economy, which UKIP has no viable policies on.

We need to try to sort out the current situation with the EU and do this with gaining other nations on our side, we also need honest dialogue as to what it would constitute leaving the EU for Britain so people are well aware of any consequences for doing so.

At present 20% of the nation are against the EU, of this many are UKIP supporters, but are they being told the truth by their own party, because in many debates, this is clearly not the case and they play off fears from the EU.

The reality is we need to take a tougher stand with the EU, there is little they can do, but plenty they will be able to do though if we leave and that to me is the more concerning matter. We may gain 100% CONTROL AGAIN OVER OUR LAWS, BUT AT WHAT PRICE?

Nonsense Didge there are rather more than 20% with serious concerns about the EU. I see you get your crib sheets from Ken Clarke.
No it is not nonsense Drinky, this is off the latest study on the EU, it is around 20% ardent wanting out of EU, many want to negotiate


I know that the EU is very anti democratic and anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that. We joined a Common Trading area and ended up with a De Facto Socialist agenda covering so many areas outside those which relate to trade. I don't ever recall having a say in that. When we were told we would get a say over Lisbon they reneged. Shame on you Didge I'm sure you a lefty at heart.

Dear me another poor attack on me, again avoiding all the points I raised, how on earth do you think we are truely democratic or again ignoring the fact we ignore many EU points as do other countries do, ignoring the fact again you play off fear.
Again I am all for negotiation and then a referendum, but honesty is required to state what will happen to this country if will pull out, making idiotic statements claiming if I am left shows you have lost the ability to debate let alone think for yourself, because you fail to understand what could or may happen, all you want to do, is run head down not watching where you are going and bash right through and then worry about the consequences after .
If you want to be a childish pratt calling me left then I will call you a fascist, as this seems the limited intellect you possess

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Didge is on his doom-mongering the EU will punish us for leaving track again.  As I keep pointing out to him anything the EU attempts to do an independent UK and independent UK can do back and in all cases the EU will, in such an exchange, loose more that the UK.
No Didge is trying to have some honest discussion and forthcoming details from UKIP as to how they will run the country and what affects leaving the EU will bring which clearly is true as all you can do is badly divert about talking about me, showing how desperate your counter is

If the EU slap charges on UK exports the money it costs us and more will be made up of the charges the UK puts on the EU exports.
Oh my that will place many out of business, how absurd, because it will also increase the prices for the consumer here, or did you not think of that?

As for businesses leaving - did they leave Hong Kong?
Is Hong Kong in the EU, absurd again

The UK will be 20 miles from the EU door offering production without the red tape, bureaucracy, and green charges meaning that even if the EU put the maximum charges they can without the international regulators getting involved it will be cheaper and more profitable for companies to build here.  They will stop outsourcing to India and the sub continent and start out sourcing the UK.

And yet no idea of what will happen with foreign companies here, not being able to trade as they did within EU boundaries, which could see them leave because of new restrictions on the businesses here trading from the country. Again you miss points like this at every turn. I am all for a referendum on the EU if all else fails, but there is no transparency and honesty from UKIP on if we do leave.
You are going off a script sheet handed to you from the UKIP Mothers tea and cake social group, not anything viable about how any of their ideas will work, showing you have not the foresight to even look if they would work or where any money will come to make them workable  

You just dont get it do you?

Hong Kong is an incredible business centre because it is right next to China but independent from it - it is a geographical equivalent and demonstrated clearly what happens in an independent state bang next to a regimented one.

As for prices and restrictions and all the horrible horrible (spoilt brat childish immature) punishments the EU is going to dish out to us and any businesses with us for daring to leaving - in every single case we can do exactly the same back and the EU will take more hurt than we do - if prices here go up 50% the EU ones will go up 60% giving us a net gain of 10%. We will be comparatively better off.

Look back at what happened with the ECM - people were screaming we would be sunk if we left that - then when we were forced out wonder of wonder we did massively better than we had in it and much better than those still in it.

What state would we be in if we had gone into the Euro?

You as always work from theory of what you think should happen and refuse to take into consideration what actually is happening.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

And yet no idea of what will happen with foreign companies here, not being able to trade as they did within EU boundaries, which could see them leave because of new restrictions on the businesses here trading from the country. Again you miss points like this at every turn. I am all for a referendum on the EU if all else fails, but there is no transparency and honesty from UKIP on if we do leave.
You are going off a script sheet handed to you from the UKIP Mothers tea and cake social group, not anything viable about how any of their ideas will work, showing you have not the foresight to even look if they would work or where any money will come to make them workable  

You just dont get it do you?

Hong Kong is an incredible business centre because it is right next to China but independent from it - it is a geographical equivalent and demonstrated clearly what happens in an independent state bang next to a regimented one.
That does not mean anything and is nothing like the EU set up at all, showing again you clutch at something with no relevance, it is daft to say the least

As for prices and restrictions and all the horrible horrible (spoilt brat childish immature) punishments the EU is going to dish out to us and any businesses with us for daring to leaving - in every single case we can do exactly the same back and the EU will take more hurt than we do - if prices here go up 50% the EU ones will go up 60% giving us a net gain of 10%.  We will be comparatively better off.
Dear me, you think imports are going to come cheap here now because we pull oyt of the EU, that shows you have not the first clue about commerce, mainly because you are sat all day long behind a PC and do not work in the real world. Prices would go up for consumers, because we do not have the same [protection we once had as a unified EU. So if they go up in the EU, what will they do, go elsewhere to where it is cheaper, will the UK have that luxury with companies tied to the EU? No, and these companies will leave or go bust because they are reliant on business within the EU, showing again you have no idea what you are talking about


Look back at what happened with the ECM - people were screaming we would be sunk if we left that - then when we were forced out wonder of wonder we did massively better than we had in it and much better than those still in it.
Again not even close to relevant

What state would we be in if we had gone into the Euro?
Who knows, as that is hypothetical, and again irrelevant poor divert tactics away from the many points I have raised

You as always work from theory of what you think should happen and refuse to take into consideration what actually is happening.

No it is you that work from ideas and no solid viable plans ass to what the country will do if in a world outside the EU showing the reality is you have no idea and fail to have any contingency plans as to what to do, showing you will make it up as you go along, playing with the lives of millions just because of some people acting like spoilt brats wanting their own way, not thinking for the whole nation.
That is the reality of your poor argument

I would like to hear anything that any other party has already done wrong, claimed to do and not done it etc, that would make you think that UKIP could do any worse that what we have tried so many times before...  

I do not claim any party is without fault.

Again if we leave the EU and the people decide so be it, but what is not being transparent, is any honesty to what if and are the consequences of doing so. All that is being stated by UKIP is if we are under occupation by foreign troops in this country and they control us, which is not the case. We actually within the EU are better able to trade because of being part of this.

Now if UKIP can show me viable plans and policies to avoid any issues then I am willing to listen, but at present all I have seen is a lot of hot air

PhilDidge wrote:I do not claim any party is without fault.

Again if we leave the EU and the people decide so be it, but what is not being transparent, is any honesty to what if and are the consequences of doing so. All that is being stated by UKIP is if we are under occupation by foreign troops in this country and they control us, which is not the case. We actually within the EU are better able to trade because of being part of this.

Now if UKIP can show me viable plans and policies to avoid any issues then I am willing to listen, but at present all I have seen is a lot of hot air

viable plans and policies the other parties do that and have screwed up the country, time and time again..

the other parties have promised a referendum to get out the EU but don't have the balls to see it through..UKIP will...

Oh my, that was a well though out counter, not, I think I will await something intelligent from either Kevin or Sphinx, because again this country is not in a mess but recovering. Yes we need to control immigration levels, we need to also sort out issues within the EU.


UKIP only has ideas, not viable plans, even they admit they do not have any economic detailed plans as yet

PhilDidge wrote:Oh my, that was a well though out counter, not, I think I will await something intelligent from either Kevin or Sphinx, because again this country is not in a mess but recovering. Yes we need to control immigration levels, we need to also sort out issues within the EU.


UKIP only has ideas, not viable plans, even they admit they do not have any economic detailed plans as yet

recovering, really!!!

so the plans of the other parties over the years have not got us to where we are??

all parties have claimed to give a referendum to get out the eu and now because UKIP will finally give the people that choice it is a bad idea..  

Try listening better didge - they do have economic plans but recognize that economics are not a static state and that figures from today will be meaningless this time next year.

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Oh my, that was a well though out counter, not, I think I will await something intelligent from either Kevin or Sphinx, because again this country is not in a mess but recovering. Yes we need to control immigration levels, we need to also sort out issues within the EU.


UKIP only has ideas, not viable plans, even they admit they do not have any economic detailed plans as yet

recovering, really!!!

so the plans of the other parties over the years have not got us to where we are??

all parties have claimed to give a referendum to get out the eu and now because UKIP will finally give the people that choice it is a bad idea..  

Yes the economy is recovering and all you are doing is sounding like you did before when you supported the BNP, saying vote for them, neglecting the fact they had no viable policies except in their case to discriminate.
Nobody has said the referendum is a bad thing, again only at present 20% are ardent to get out, many have concerns about the EU and want to negotiate.

Are you just going to repeat the same things are actually offer anything valid that UKIP will do, because you miss the point that honest transparency is needed over pulling from the EU, something you seem to have nmissed

sphinx wrote:Try listening better didge - they do have economic plans but recognize that economics are not a static state and that figures from today will be meaningless this time next year.

Oh please do not even try to patronise me Sphinx, PMSL, they admit they themselves do not have as yet any viable thought out detailed economic plans, I suggest you discuss that over your tea and cakes mothers UKIP meeting this afternoon.
You offer poor excuses to now stating they will be meaningless next year, well this year would be good as if they would be in power to what they would do, so that is as stated a poor copout

sphinx wrote:Try listening better didge - they do have economic plans but recognize that economics are not a static state and that figures from today will be meaningless this time next year.

of course they do but for some reason didge prefers the ones that have been tried and tested and have failed this country for decades...

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

sphinx wrote:Try listening better didge - they do have economic plans but recognize that economics are not a static state and that figures from today will be meaningless this time next year.

of course they do but for some reason didge prefers the ones that have been tried and tested and have failed this country for decades...

Er Sphinx just admitted they do not have detailed plans and gave a poor excuse about figures being meaningless for next year when we are not talking about next year but now


DOH

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

of course they do but for some reason didge prefers the ones that have been tried and tested and have failed this country for decades...

Er Sphinx just admitted they do not have detailed plans and gave a poor excuse about figures being meaningless for next year when we are not talking about next year but now


DOH

ERRRM read again no she didn't..lol

so have the other parties come up with master plans that did not materialise, why would you demand UKIP must be perfect then??

Errrm read again she did not offer anything but excuses


Bless

PhilDidge wrote:Errrm read again she did not offer anything but excuses


Bless

sounds like the tories and labour then, you don't seem to mind them screwing up..lol

again why do you think UKIP must be perfect...??  

Again where did I say that?

Again I recognise where they have made mistakes, but that is not what is being debated, nice try and diverting again, as your usual poor tactic in debate

Bless, unless you have anything viable, which is rare, then pointless discussing further really

PhilDidge wrote:Again where did I say that?

Again I recognise where they have made mistakes, but that is not what is being debated, nice try and diverting again, as your usual poor tactic in debate

Bless, unless you have anything viable, which is rare, then pointless discussing further really

lol by viable you mean something you agree with..lol

so you have agreed the other parties have made mistakes, they have made claims they have not kept etc...

again what makes you think UKIP could do any worse than what we have had before...

again the other parties have made claims to giving a referendum about leaving the eu, what makes you think it's such a bad idea that UKIP will actually give the people that choice..?  

More waffle and nothing viable, that was easy to predict

PhilDidge wrote:More waffle and nothing viable, that was easy to predict

it's fine if you can't answer don't worry about it...   

Answer what? Going around in circles over the same thing?


Like i say let me know if you have anything viable about UKIP policies

Thanks

PhilDidge wrote:Answer what? Going around in circles over the same thing?


Like i say let me know if you have anything viable about UKIP policies

Thanks

    

Very easy

 

 

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

of course they do but for some reason didge prefers the ones that have been tried and tested and have failed this country for decades...

Er Sphinx just admitted they do not have detailed plans and gave a poor excuse about figures being meaningless for next year when we are not talking about next year but now


DOH

No sphinx didnt - I will repeat they do have detailed plans - they just are not public right now because they are irrelevant right now.

They have full monitoring and plans being done by an independent agency - the fact is we do not know what the markets, interest rates, etc will be doing this time next year yet alone what the EU will be doing fiscally.

If you want to know what those plans are (in general) - where they are getting the figures they are working with now etc then you will have to go along to your local branch and get involved. If you dont want to do that then sorry buy you will have to wait like the rest of the electorate until the General Election campaign.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Er Sphinx just admitted they do not have detailed plans and gave a poor excuse about figures being meaningless for next year when we are not talking about next year but now


DOH

No sphinx didnt - I will repeat they do have detailed plans - they just are not public right now because they are irrelevant right now.
Hilarious, so they are not public and you claim they are detailed? Seriously that is your proof that they are detailed when you have not seen them, behave, that is utterly pathetic 

They have full monitoring and plans being done by an independent agency - the fact is we do not know what the markets, interest rates, etc will be doing this time next year yet alone what the EU will be doing fiscally.  
Bull, how is it others are able to forecast ahead based on fiscal years? You are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of someone who knows what they are talking about showing you have not a scooby doo and are making the most absurd excuses 

If you want to know what those plans are (in general) - where they are getting the figures they are working with now etc then you will have to go along to your local branch and get involved.  If you dont want to do that then sorry buy you will have to wait like the rest of the electorate until the General Election campaign.

I will show you why you are talking bull, because a party would be able to show estimate costs of implementing plans and what sort of costs they expect to save by any cut backs or pulling out of something. On any of these this is not present, so you are again talking balderdash. The reality is they have no contingency plans and they have no viable economic plans, which you again omit from admitting they admit themselves they do not, so stop telling porkies

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Er Sphinx just admitted they do not have detailed plans and gave a poor excuse about figures being meaningless for next year when we are not talking about next year but now


DOH

No sphinx didnt - I will repeat they do have detailed plans - they just are not public right now because they are irrelevant right now.

They have full monitoring and plans being done by an independent agency - the fact is we do not know what the markets, interest rates, etc will be doing this time next year yet alone what the EU will be doing fiscally.  

If you want to know what those plans are (in general) - where they are getting the figures they are working with now etc then you will have to go along to your local branch and get involved.  If you dont want to do that then sorry buy you will have to wait like the rest of the electorate until the General Election campaign.

I did try to tell didge that but as you know he sees what he wants to see..  

lol you tried to tell me that sphinx has no access to any of their plans and yet claims they are detailed because they claim they are?

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I think sphinx answered that didge

PhilDidge wrote:lol you tried to tell me that sphinx has no access to any of their plans and yet claims they are detailed because they claim they are?

One moment

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do you mind being your only fan....  

i told you to reread what was posted...  

VOD(original) wrote:I think sphinx answered that didge

That is news to me she did VOD

How can she claim something is detailed if she does not have access to it?

That means either she is party of the UKIP elite and thus to afraid to even prove they have any detailed [plans, which I doubt or she does not have access to the plans  and can thus not claim in any shape or form they are detailed.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

of course they do but for some reason didge prefers the ones that have been tried and tested and have failed this country for decades...

Er Sphinx just admitted they do not have detailed plans and gave a poor excuse about figures being meaningless for next year when we are not talking about next year but now


DOH

No sphinx didnt - I will repeat they do have detailed plans - they just are not public right now because they are irrelevant right now.

They have full monitoring and plans being done by an independent agency - the fact is we do not know what the markets, interest rates, etc will be doing this time next year yet alone what the EU will be doing fiscally.  

If you want to know what those plans are (in general) - where they are getting the figures they are working with now etc then you will have to go along to your local branch and get involved.  If you dont want to do that then sorry buy you will have to wait like the rest of the electorate until the General Election campaign.

So to what period of time will they be relevant then?

I must remember this one, I know they are detailed plans even though I have never seen the plans.

DOH

 

PhilDidge wrote:I must remember this one, I know they are detailed plans even though I have never seen the plans.

DOH

 

did anyone say you would never see the plans, i don't think they did, are you making stuff up again ..  

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:I must remember this one, I know they are detailed plans even though I have never seen the plans.

DOH

 

did anyone say you would never see the plans, i don't think they did, are you making stuff up again ..  

PMSL again how do you know an economic plan claimed by a party is detailed if you have never had access to see them?

take your time, that means you would have to take their word on this, thus that person would not know if it was detailed at all.

In other words Sphinx was trying to bullshit


Irn raised a great point also, which I wonder if you can understand the implications of, good luck on both points