Omicron variant of covid19

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South African doctor who discovered the Omicron variant has suggested the UK may be panicking unnecessarily about the new Covid strain.

Dr Angelique Coetzee said that patients had been presenting with ‘extremely mild’ symptoms in her country, though the population there is significantly younger than in the UK.

The chair of the South African Medical Association suspects the variant is already widely in the UK but added she had not seen any confirmed cases admitted to hospital – adding that other colleagues had seen the ‘same picture’.


https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/28/omicron-variant-symptoms-extremely-mild-says-doctor-who-discovered-it-15677135/

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:


also, Ben - are you disputing any of the above?

if so what?

if not, could you tell me WHY it was so important for you to have this untried jab?  

You claim that eddie and the kids are most important to you yet you have compromised your own health for what?

what about the kids?  have they had it too? (completely unnecessarily)

Again, the problem of which source/media story,/official government announcement you believe in will determine your beliefs.



good point!  When I see professionals who have been practising for years in their field being shut down I have to question why?

when I know that so many have been paid for their opinion then what is that opinion really worth?  just a pay packet that's all.
just have to look at the Gates foundation website for linking them up.

WE DO NOT KNOW. WE, THE PUBLIC, DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE WHEN THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS EVERYWHERE WE LOOK.  

Anyone still believing - nearly two years later - that covid was ever any more dangerous than any other flu virus needs to question their own sanity, (imo)

So who knows? And if you don’t really KNOW use your own judgement aka common sense.

and your own judgement and common sense tells you what?,,,,,

Gels, I do not disagree with you. My common sense tells me to use my common sense.

I am trying to sit in the middle and look at everything. The trouble is, we aren’t given any true and real direction when we listen to what “we are told” and any other information is passed off as a “stupid conspiracy”... So what is true?

This is a massive test for those who aren’t used to being on the fence.

Unfortunately, the big fat pointing finger is what most people are used to responding to.

Sit on the fence and use common sense.

My own judgement is based on what I've seen, if this is a conspiracy for whatever reason - I have asked on here but no one replied - its one hell of a conspiracy, costing governments and therefore the tax payer incredible amounts of money and whoever managed to convince almost all the world's governments to play along must be a flipping genius at what they do. If they can convince everyone there's a deadly virus all over the world maybe they should have a word with the Taliban, Isis and in fact everyone and sort out this world for the better.

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:

and your own judgement and common sense tells you what?,,,,,

Gels, I do not disagree with you. My common sense tells me to use my common sense.

I am trying to sit in the middle and look at everything. The trouble is, we aren’t given any true and real direction when we listen to what “we are told” and any other information is passed off as a “stupid conspiracy”... So what is true?

This is a massive test for those who aren’t used to being on the fence.

Unfortunately, the big fat pointing finger is what most people are used to responding to.

Sit on the fence and use common sense.

have you been jabbed eddie?

i probably asked you before but can't remember what you said

Vintage wrote:My own judgement is based on what I've seen, if this is a conspiracy for whatever reason - I have asked on here but no one replied -  its one hell of a conspiracy, costing governments and therefore the tax payer incredible amounts of money and whoever managed to convince almost all the world's governments to play along must be a flipping genius at what they do. If they can convince everyone there's a deadly virus all over the world maybe they should have a word with the Taliban, Isis and in fact everyone and sort out this world for the better.

the worlds elite, the rothschilds, the Rockefellas etc of this world have trillions and trillions of dollars to play with.

and you're right it is the common tax payer who suffers. those in government haven't suffered at all have they? well spotted, vin!

and you think they might give a shit about the common tax payer because?,,,,,



''U.S. Trial Lawyer Dr. Reiner Fuellmich indicts and names Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab before a Polish Parliament Hearing as criminal conspirators of the global pandemic that has caused endless suffering and the deaths of millions of innocent victims around the world''

this was middle november, haven't got update yet. There was a video but it's on twitter and i don't think anyone on here has it

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:

and your own judgement and common sense tells you what?,,,,,

Gels, I do not disagree with you. My common sense tells me to use my common sense.

I am trying to sit in the middle and look at everything. The trouble is, we aren’t given any true and real direction when we listen to what “we are told” and any other information is passed off as a “stupid conspiracy”... So what is true?

This is a massive test for those who aren’t used to being on the fence.

Unfortunately, the big fat pointing finger is what most people are used to responding to.

Sit on the fence and use common sense.

have you been jabbed eddie?

i probably asked you before but can't remember what you said

No. Not been vaccinated. Never will.

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:


have you been jabbed eddie?

i probably asked you before but can't remember what you said

No. Not been vaccinated. Never will.

do you mind if I ask why?

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:


have you been jabbed eddie?

i probably asked you before but can't remember what you said

No. Not been vaccinated. Never will.

That isn't being on the fence though, eddie. You sound very firm with that one

on the fence would be

''No. Not been vaccinated,,,,,yet

I'll see how things go''

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:


have you been jabbed eddie?

i probably asked you before but can't remember what you said

No. Not been vaccinated. Never will.

do you mind if I ask why?

Because the only people that died were the vulnerable - they told us this over and over.
So why would I be vaccinated? Why would anyone who wasn’t “vulnerable”?

Can’t say it any simpler than that.

Now the unvaccinated, non vulnerable are dying.
You being vaccinated just might save someone else.
You being vaccinated might keep even those catching it out of hospital and able to return to work fairly quickly.
You being vaccinated might stop medical staff in hospitals burning out.

Vintage wrote:Now the unvaccinated, non vulnerable are dying.
You being vaccinated just might save someone else.
You being vaccinated might keep even those catching it out of hospital and able to return to work fairly quickly.
You being vaccinated might stop medical staff in hospitals burning out.

This is fake news


The CEO of Pfeizer has now said that the first two jabs to little or nothing to protect you from covid!!!!

so now you are only considered ''vaccinated'' if you have had at least one booster

You only have to check www.vigiaccess.org to see what is happening and WHY people are in hospital


The unvaccinated cannot possibly pose a threat to someone who is vaccinated.......simple science dating back since ''real'' vaccines were first invented

This covid-19 muck people are jabbing into themselves is in no way a vaccine.

Please stop spreading fake news

gelico wrote:

Vintage wrote:Now the unvaccinated, non vulnerable are dying.
You being vaccinated just might save someone else.
You being vaccinated might keep even those catching it out of hospital and able to return to work fairly quickly.
You being vaccinated might stop medical staff in hospitals burning out.

This is fake news


The CEO of Pfeizer has now said that the first two jabs to little or nothing to protect you from covid!!!!

so now you are only considered ''vaccinated'' if you have had at least one booster

You only have to check www.vigiaccess.org to see what is happening and WHY people are in hospital


The unvaccinated cannot possibly pose a threat to someone who is vaccinated.......simple science dating back since ''real'' vaccines were first invented

This covid-19 muck people are jabbing into themselves is in no way a vaccine.

Please stop spreading fake news

What exactly is it then? Please explain what it is, why its being administered, what is the required outcome - Waiting.

Vintage wrote:

gelico wrote:


This is fake news


The CEO of Pfeizer has now said that the first two jabs to little or nothing to protect you from covid!!!!

so now you are only considered ''vaccinated'' if you have had at least one booster

You only have to check www.vigiaccess.org to see what is happening and WHY people are in hospital


The unvaccinated cannot possibly pose a threat to someone who is vaccinated.......simple science dating back since ''real'' vaccines were first invented

This covid-19 muck people are jabbing into themselves is in no way a vaccine.

Please stop spreading fake news

What exactly is it then? Please explain what it is, why its being administered, what is the required outcome -  Waiting.

did you check those horrifying ADR stats on the monitoring site?

Just saying this again because it's important for me to speak out and say what I think about this:

The virus will continue to mutate if it's allowed to continue infecting people, and one or more of those mutations could be far worse than anything we've seen thus far.

The only way to prevent this from happening is to get enough people vaccinated against it, so that it doesn't have anywhere to replicate and mutate.

If people would go on and get vaccinated, so long as it's medically safe to do so, the pandemic would be over by the end of the year.

It won't be, though, because of the hundreds of millions of people around the world who refuse to be vaccinated. It literally won't end for a long, long time simply because the unvaccinated will allow the virus to survive and mutate.

No offense intended to anyone.

It’s one of those things that you either buy into or you don’t.

Is covid dangerous? Yes for vulnerable people, like the flu is, or C-dif.

Should we have panicked? No.

And one question remains: how many vaccines are needed to “stop the spread”? Many, many, people got covid after their vaccines and it was reported that “these vaccinated people were far less affected because they had the vaccine” Were they? How do we know?

One thing remains...we will never really know. We can only go by reports (many were contradicting) and we can only go by the amount of people who got covid and lived (more than who died)

So. Draw your own conclusions without watching TV

That page won't come up by the way.
In every disease there are some people who get it and recover, others never get it, the majority get it to varying degrees and if serious enough they die depending on the disease.
Studies of covid has found some people never catch it, some people manage it themselves, a lot don't and need intervention, maybe you have been lucky, maybe others who caught and weren't very ill are lucky too.
Do you believe there is such a thing as Covid? Do you believe it can kill? Maybe only the vulnerable well they'd probably die soon anyway I suppose.

gelico wrote:

Vintage wrote:Now the unvaccinated, non vulnerable are dying.
You being vaccinated just might save someone else.
You being vaccinated might keep even those catching it out of hospital and able to return to work fairly quickly.
You being vaccinated might stop medical staff in hospitals burning out.

This is fake news


The CEO of Pfeizer has now said that the first two jabs to little or nothing to protect you from covid!!!!

so now you are only considered ''vaccinated'' if you have had at least one booster

You only have to check www.vigiaccess.org to see what is happening and WHY people are in hospital


The unvaccinated cannot possibly pose a threat to someone who is vaccinated.......simple science dating back since ''real'' vaccines were first invented

This covid-19 muck people are jabbing into themselves is in no way a vaccine.

Please stop spreading fake news

Spreading fake news, that's rich.

eddie wrote:It’s one of those things that you either buy into or you don’t.

Is covid dangerous? Yes for vulnerable people, like the flu is, or C-dif.

Should we have panicked? No.

And one question remains: how many vaccines are needed to “stop the spread”? Many, many, people got covid after their vaccines and it was reported that “these vaccinated people were far less affected because they had the vaccine” Were they? How do we know?

One thing remains...we will never really know. We can only go by reports (many were contradicting) and we can only go by the amount of people who got covid and lived (more than who died)

So. Draw your own conclusions without watching TV

Well considering young apparently healthy unvaccinated people are occupying ICU beds - I would say Covid is dangerous.

Did we panic? If we did so did the world. Did you see the graves in S. America for instance?

Covid is new to human beings, I doubt anyone knows for sure what the possibilities are yet isn't it better to be safe than sorry?.

As Ben said it could mutate to nothing it could mutate to something worse, especially if its left to roam around and potentially mix with something else.

Sorry the death rate doesn't seen high enough for some people to believe its dangerous. (The fact we have a good health service and drugs to help deal with it might have something to do with that though)

Vintage wrote:That page won't come up by the way.
In every disease there are some people who get it and recover, others never get it, the majority get it to varying degrees and if serious enough they die depending on the disease.
Studies of covid has found some people never catch it, some people manage it themselves, a lot don't and need intervention, maybe you have been lucky, maybe others who caught and weren't very ill are lucky too.  
Do you believe there is such a thing as Covid? Do you believe it can kill? Maybe only the vulnerable well they'd probably die soon anyway I suppose.  

www.vigiaccess.org

it worked before, maybe try it again

the stats are from the WHO

you were right vintage


i tried this from the link i gave you but it didn't work

but if you just go direct to your own searchbar on your own computer and type it in it definitely works

Vintage wrote:

gelico wrote:


This is fake news


The CEO of Pfeizer has now said that the first two jabs to little or nothing to protect you from covid!!!!

so now you are only considered ''vaccinated'' if you have had at least one booster

You only have to check www.vigiaccess.org to see what is happening and WHY people are in hospital


The unvaccinated cannot possibly pose a threat to someone who is vaccinated.......simple science dating back since ''real'' vaccines were first invented

This covid-19 muck people are jabbing into themselves is in no way a vaccine.

Please stop spreading fake news

Spreading fake news, that's rich.

where did I put fake news?

I've given you the government website to check for yourself

Ben Reilly wrote:Just saying this again because it's important for me to speak out and say what I think about this:

The virus will continue to mutate if it's allowed to continue infecting people, and one or more of those mutations could be far worse than anything we've seen thus far.

The only way to prevent this from happening is to get enough people vaccinated against it, so that it doesn't have anywhere to replicate and mutate.


Sorry, Ben but this is completely wrong. The Dr who invented and designed the original mRNA has said (as have many many other doctors) that this sequence will only protect you from the current variation only.

Covid turns up, people get jabbed for the original virus. Then the virus mutates and those same people are NOT protected against the variant so will need a booster to cope with that Then it mutates again and the same thing happens, over and over again. And every time a person has an up-to-date- jab they are destroying their own natural immunity a little bit more every time. Furthermore a virus never stops mutating. You are right about one of those mutations being far worse than anything we've seen thus far but it will be the so called vaccinated who will succumb to it first because they have no immunity left to fight anything.


If people would go on and get vaccinated, so long as it's medically safe to do so, the pandemic would be over by the end of the year.

and if you check the stats available you will see that it isn't safe at all.

It won't be, though, because of the hundreds of millions of people around the world who refuse to be vaccinated. It literally won't end for a long, long time simply because the unvaccinated will allow the virus to survive and mutate.

hundreds of millions of people around the world may decide they prefer a bad cold for a week or so to having blood clots or heart attack.

No offense intended to anyone.

Not sure it's even possible for you to offend anyone, Ben.

Compare how many people died who got covid with how many people didn’t who got covid.

eddie wrote:Compare how many people died who got covid with how many people didn’t who got covid.

but edds, it's not about how many people died who got covid

shitloads of people died who got covid but they didn't die because they got covid, they died of a multitude of different reasons ''with covid in their system'' so it was marked down as covid.

those figures have been skewed from the start

Gels, I know. I know.

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:Compare how many people died who got covid with how many people didn’t who got covid.

but edds, it's not about how many people died who got covid

shitloads of people died who got covid but they didn't die because they got covid, they died of a multitude of different reasons ''with covid in their system''  so it was marked down as covid.

those figures have been skewed from the start

Don't think so:

Certificates state:

Died of ' whatever finished you off' with one cause of death or 1,2, or three contributing factors.
Died of 'Whatever finished you off plus contributory if there are any, in a Covid atmosphere ie you may have Covid or been with people who did, so its more likely you had it but that wasn't the primary cause of your death.
Died of Covid with contributory factors due to Covid infection - organ failure/stroke/heart attack.
Died of Covid ie the disease has completely destroyed your capacity to exchange enough oxygen to keep your body functioning, therefore your organs cease to function as secondary cause. Your lungs fill with fluid, your aveoli are ruptured and destroyed - seems like a cause of death to me.

vintage

what do you think of the who stats

I wonder if figures are looked at and compared with previous few years... We find that while there are a high number listed as dying from covid over last 2 years... There is a sharp decline in deaths listed as other causes over the same last 2 years, that are normally commonly seen to finish people off in old age...?

To be honest I haven't managed to have a look at those stats I will try again.
I can only go on what I see with my 'customers'
Its interesting though to see if people with medical weaknesses would have lasted longer without Covid but we are never going to know that of course, its probable though. It appeared the virus made a health issue worse. We'd need a population of very healthy people to be exposed to Covid to see if it killed them discriminately, can't see many up for that. The fact that it can kill seemingly healthy people but hastens the death of those with health problems is the way of all diseases. People rarely die of one health problem because one health problem can cause so many secondary problems which exacerbate the main problem.

Tommy Monk wrote:

I wonder if figures are looked at and compared with previous few years... We find that while there are a high number listed as dying from covid over last 2 years... There is a sharp decline in deaths listed as other causes over the same last 2 years, that are normally commonly seen to finish people off in old age...?

How many died of the Black death because they had real underlying health problems or because they weren't strong enough to fight off an infection due to lack of food and warmth during their childhood and in their adult life?. If the population had been better fed and housed since infancy thereby having a good immune system, would we have seen such mortality?

I've already posted monthly death figures over last 5 years somewhere on one of these recent covid threads which showed little difference overall apart from about 3-4 months that showed slightly higher comparative numbers.


So we haven't really seen that many "extra" deaths.. just a load listed as covid deaths instead of the usual numbers of other regular causes for elderly people!


So I bet figures for the regular causes for these elderly will miraculously be significantly lower than usual!!!

Maybe because people were staying away from each other and not travelling or going to work, getting stressed in work or in traffic jams and doing all those things we normally do that can result in disease, accidents, cardiac arrests, strokes etc.

The over 70's were the group in question... And they were the vast majority of so called 'covid deaths'... While not being any of the factors you listed in your above post!


So it will be interesting to see how these high covid death rates compare with lower death rates for what are usually seen as causes in this old age group...


I bet there is a miraculous low rate of deaths listed for the regular causes that are usually seen for this age group!!!


All down to the marvelous breakthroughs in medical treatments no doubt...!?


Or... Loads of regular deaths from regular causes, for the older generation, misrepresented as covid deaths instead of being listed as the regular causes...!?


And, as I've already said, I've listed monthly death figures over last 5 years, and apart from about 3-4 months, which are only slightly higher than what is roughly within the norm, all other months are well within normal sort of figures!


Many pre covid months are higher than the last 2 years where covid was being claimed to be such a high level killer of folks...


So why not let's look at the listed death causes and see if there is a drastic unexplainable reduction in regular causes of deaths in the over 70's group...?


Which would clearly show that covid has been falsely claimed as being cause of death in almost all instances!!!

You seem to be suggesting falsifying of death certs and figures and if so you are suggesting doctors are doing this with the rest of the profession, coroners, registrars and the funeral industry turning a blind eye and all over the UK?

Vintage wrote:You seem to be suggesting falsifying of death certs and figures and if so you are  suggesting doctors are doing this with the rest of the profession, coroners, registrars and the funeral industry turning a blind eye and all over the UK?

no, vin they are not turning a blind eye

many are speaking out

i have posted some of it on here only to have it ridiculed, dismissed, ignored or claims that it's from a dodgy site or whatever

you won't see those who are speaking out of course because the MSM that everyone relies on so much won't allow it

Doctors? You mean, are they being pressurised to falsify certificates?

Vintage wrote:Doctors? You mean, are they being pressurised to falsify certificates?

I don't know about being pressurised. I put up a post about this before but said coroner by mistake when I should have said doctor. Either you or syl corrected me at the time on that one.

I do remember an explosion of social media posts by so many people saying that their loved one had died but it was put on the death certificate as covid. These loved ones either in care homes or hospital but had such a range of serious issues that covid was a cover

eg ''my niece was stage 4 cancer and had only approx 3 weeks left'' - covid
''my dad 93 had severe dementia and a failing liver'' '- covid


on and on and on it went. This was in the summer of 2020 when I was looking after my dad.

and yes, I have seen at least one funeral director talk of this online (and the wife of another). he also said that being obviously in touch with doctors in charge of said patients have said they have been ordered/instructed to put down covid. The didn't actually attend the premises. That little gimmick may have been disguised as a ''safety precaution'' but whatever. And anyone in hospital at the time no matter what the issue, if they had covid in their system, then they died of covid

They didn't attend the premises ? Seriously. Who gave the instructions?
Not true about the last statement, we've had certificates with various causes, the usual ones and some with Covid as a contributory or secondary causeor an addition to the usual cause of death with 'in a Covid atmosphere' and of course only with Covid as the cause of death.
Anyway I'll read that stuff on the link and get back later.

Also... PCR tests are highly sensitive and have given high number of false positive results... meaning, PCR test can show a positive result in someone up to 3 months after they have had covid and are clear from it.


Which is something else that has been ignored while counting up the positive test result totals here.