Omicron variant of covid19

South African doctor who discovered the Omicron variant has suggested the UK may be panicking unnecessarily about the new Covid strain.

Dr Angelique Coetzee said that patients had been presenting with ‘extremely mild’ symptoms in her country, though the population there is significantly younger than in the UK.

The chair of the South African Medical Association suspects the variant is already widely in the UK but added she had not seen any confirmed cases admitted to hospital – adding that other colleagues had seen the ‘same picture’.


https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/28/omicron-variant-symptoms-extremely-mild-says-doctor-who-discovered-it-15677135/

The WHO and Coronavirus experts are increasingly convinced the new Omicron variant is ‘super mild’ and has, so far, not led to a jump in Covid death rates anywhere in Southern Africa.

The WHO is calling this morning for countries to drop travel restrictions and end the mass hysteria, and instead be cautiously optimistic as more and more reports out of South Africa suggest the new Omicron variant is not more lethal than the previous Delta variant.

In fact, there have been no reports of hospitalisations or deaths as a result of anyone being diagnosed with Omicron.

When is it ever going to end? The news seems hellbent on scaremongering the public. Every day there is a story that contradicts another story!

No wonder people are just running around like headless rats in a wheel.

Funny enough, I was reading about pandemics during a break at work today and a lot of experts on the topic believe that this is basically how the pandemic will end -- that in the past, viruses that cause pandemics mutate into "milder" forms which become predominant, and that the same thing will happen with Covid.

The Spanish flu, which killed about 50 million people just over a century ago, is apparently still very much with us -- it simply mutated into a form that's far less deadly.

If you look at it in terms of evolution, viruses that kill loads of people aren't the best suited for survival. If you're essentially a parasite that propogates itself by infecting a host, it's not in your survival interest to kill your host.

eddie wrote:When is it ever going to end? The news seems hellbent on scaremongering the public. Every day there is a story that contradicts another story!

No wonder people are just running around like headless rats in a wheel.

everyone's own actions contradict themselves to my mind

so tonight, as agreed, (i have no idea why) i went and watched my brother sing in some carol concert.  Saturday nights right?  you go partying and I go to a carol concert?  something fucking wrong there but anyhoos....

i got in there to buy a ticket and about 5 people in the foyer all masked up.  i got instructions  ''we are asking people to sit as far away from each other as possible and to use alternate seating rows and to wear the mask as much as possible''

i told him first two not a problem but i don't have a mask

Him: would you like one of ours?  they're free

Me:  No thank you

Him: Oh, ok, no worries
So I sat there in this rather crowded hall, being the only one not wearing a mask.  There were two mad bints sat there masked up AND wearing visors.  I would have said if only to myself that if people are seriously that shit scared of a flu virus that they need to take such drastic precautions then that's their choice, but for one thing,,,,,

After enduring enjoying over an hour of this concert, I  applauded rapturously when it was finally all over and then the dude in charge said,,

,''Thank you all for coming, we'd be delighted if you'd like to stay and enjoy mince pies and tea and coffee''

and with that every sod got up took their masks off and all flocked to one end of the hall for said refreshments and stood around yakking away in each others faces.

I walked away laughing my duck off at the sheer ludicrousness of the whole thing

Exactly Gels! I see this every day at work.

None of it makes sense, not one bit.  People will twist and turn it to make it fit though and they are the ones who are prolonging this absolute farce.  

Tests were a farce
Masks were a farce
the death count was a farce
Vaccines a farce
Remember Wuhan and all those people dropping dead in the street, what happened? how come it never happened anywhere else?  it was done to scare you as has everything since then.

When all the top people n the world are just going about their business without care while you have to follow the rules then you know it's all a farce.  
Take queenie, the most vulnerable age and who isn't in the best health  mingling with all the other 1%  without a mask  although wears one for official photos ( as do all the others)

We as a collective  make excuses for this. as in "oh but they are the rich, and not very bright, Boris is a bumbling fool who has no idea what is going on, its up to us to keep others safe and end this virus"

Just stop making excuses for what these people do, they have the greatest minds in the world working for them and with them. It's not them that are the stupid ones is those of us who haven't seen through this absolute BS yet.    
If this was as deadly as they tell you, all those rich and powerful would be nowhere to be seen they would be in bunkers and hiding away and letting us live where the danger is.

The emperor is stark b*llock naked, open your eyes and see whats swinging  


They want to keep us confused and scared they want us to feel unsteady, giving out carrots and then taking them away

lolly wrote:None of it makes sense, not one bit.  People will twist and turn it to make it fit though and they are the ones who are prolonging this absolute farce.  

Tests were a farce
Masks were a farce
the death count was a farce
Vaccines a farce
Remember Wuhan and all those people dropping dead in the street, what happened? how come it never happened anywhere else?  it was done to scare you as has everything since then.

When all the top people n the world are just going about their business without care while you have to follow the rules then you know it's all a farce.  
Take queenie, the most vulnerable age and who isn't in the best health  mingling with all the other 1%  without a mask  although wears one for official photos ( as do all the others)

We as a collective  make excuses for this. as in "oh but they are the rich, and not very bright, Boris is a bumbling fool who has no idea what is going on, its up to us to keep others safe and end this virus"

Just stop making excuses for what these people do, they have the greatest minds in the world working for them and with them. It's not them that are the stupid ones is those of us who haven't seen through this absolute BS yet.    
If this was as deadly as they tell you, all those rich and powerful would be nowhere to be seen they would be in bunkers and hiding away and letting us live where the danger is.

The emperor is stark b*llock naked, open your eyes and see whats swinging  


They want to keep us confused and scared they want us to feel unsteady, giving out carrots and then taking them away

Lolly, I want to marry you

Ben Reilly wrote:Funny enough, I was reading about pandemics during a break at work today and a lot of experts on the topic believe that this is basically how the pandemic will end -- that in the past, viruses that cause pandemics mutate into "milder" forms which become predominant, and that the same thing will happen with Covid.

The Spanish flu, which killed about 50 million people just over a century ago, is apparently still very much with us -- it simply mutated into a form that's far less deadly.

If you look at it in terms of evolution, viruses that kill loads of people aren't the best suited for survival. If you're essentially a parasite that propogates itself by infecting a host, it's not in your survival interest to kill your host.

I said this about viruses becoming less dangerous over time, it is the normal progression of a virus during mutations.


And Spanish flu killed 60 million when the population on earth was much less than today, at around 1.8 billion, so much more deadly than this covid which has an IFR of 0.0965 which is lower than flu.

Omicron Symptoms ‘Far Milder,’ South Africa Hospital Group CEO Says
Netcare Ltd., which operates the largest private health-care network in South Africa, is seeing milder Covid-19 cases even as as omicron is driving up the number of people testing positive for the virus.

The symptoms displayed by patients in Netcare’s hospitals in the epicenter of the current fourth wave, the province of Gauteng, “are far milder than anything we experienced during the first three waves,” Chief Executive Officer Richard Friedland said in a statement Wednesday.
This echos initial findings from two other local hospital groups that show most Covid patients are not needing oxygen or intensive treatment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-08/omicron-symptoms-far-milder-s-africa-hospital-group-ceo-says

Really good news.

Here’s hoping that the UK government doesn’t overreact.

I'm still reading that Omicron is extremely mold and is not reported as cause of any deaths so far... But the UK gov has already imposed travel restrictions and testing and quarantine etc, and face masks, and proposing vaccine passports be imposed too!


No to all this!!!

Yet today it is being reported that the new variant has become “worrying”

I say that we should all stop listening to the bollocks and use our common sense.

Look, I keep saying this and people may believe me or not but I'm pretty sure I've gotten this one right:

Boris & Co. have been blamed by many people of not taking the pandemic seriously enough for more than a year now. So somebody in that group saw the emergence of Omicron as an opportunity for Boris to look really on top of things and proactive.

It's all about bolstering the government's public image, and to me at least, it's pretty transparent.

South Africa top doc stresses that Omicron brings 'mild illness'

The head of the South African Medical Association refreshed her claims that the Omicron variant is 'mild' having spent one month treating patients with it.

Dr Angelique Coetzee spoke to Tom Swarbrick a fortnight after her initial appearance on LBC where she told him that the West was overreacting to Omicron.

She echoed her initial claims that Omicron is a relatively "mild" variant of coronavirus, which sees greater transmission yet lower rates of hospitalisation.

Tom defended the UK's new rules for the sake of argument: "We don't know, and so the most cautionary thing to do is to make sure that hospitals are not overwhelmed if it's not mild, and so we put in these additional measures.

"Do you think that's a reasonable response?"

"This is now our fourth week, there's no reason you can't trust us when we say to you 'it's mild disease!'" Dr Coetzee insisted.

She said that whilst she understands the precautions the UK is taking, "there's really no need" to reenter lockdown over the Omicron variant.

"Yes, you can have a million cases, you can have even more than that, but the severity of the disease is mild", she said again


https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/tom-swarbrick/south-africa-top-doc-angelique-coetzee-stresses-omicron-mild/

2 members of my family are saying they think they have covid, probably Omicron variant... One has done a positive lateral flow and other is doing a test later...


Thing is, I was with them both on Sunday before either of them had any symptoms, so I may have it too...


Both of them have had jabs, one is double jabbed and other is treble jabbed.


I have not had any jabs.


Brother said felt rough Monday morning, achy and tired with bit of fever. But now feels fine.


Sister don't know symptoms yet or when they started as I haven't spoken to her. She just sent me a text saying tested positive.


All I've had is I felt like I had a bit of a head cold late last night and kept sneezing for about an hour. Now I feel fine.

Just done a lateral flow test and it is negative!


So... Double jabbed sister and treble jabbed brother have got covid... But 'no jabs' me has not got it, although we were all together having dinner for about 3 hours on Sunday afternoon.


Looks like the argument for vaccine passports is totally undermined!!!


I've had covid already last February and it appears to have given me stronger immunity and longer lasting protection against any other covid infection!!!


I'll do another test later today and again tomorrow just to make sure.

LOL, Tommy. I've just seen Piers Morgan on twitter saying that omicron is spreading like wildfire and we dont know how dangerous it is and it is evading the ''vaccines'' and oh no there are no restrictions in place for this and how everyone needs to be very super careful about this




anyhoos, i've posted your link on his thread,,,,

Just done another lateral flow test...















































Another negative result!!!

The Spanish flu has been resurrected in all its lethal glory, by the CDC and a few other labs, purely for research of course. There's never any human error of course.

Yes Vintage... I'm pretty sure it is believed the UK foot & mouth crisis a few years ago was down to a lab leak of the virus here...

here's a fun fact

so you remember Christmas 2020 - after the government had been teaching it's citizens the steps to a dance that has lasted ever since - when people weren't allowed to visit relatives and lockdown was important and care homes were not accessible nor to visit loved ones in hospitals and everything,,,,,

well while all this was going on, Tory aides were having a massive Christmas party for themselves, no social distancing, no masks.  Apparently, a raucous time was had by all.

I'm sure all of you who took the trouble to isolate and obey all the rules will be thrilled to bits to know that they all had a ripping time (much of the time spent laughing their collective ducks off at those very people who were isolating and obeying the rules and also congratulating themselves on their cleverness).


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

Of course once they got rumbled, Sean Bailey, who organised said party, (I bloody respected him as well ) bleated something about it being ''an error of judgement'' and resigned.  (I suspect he will simply be shunted into another position so hey ho)

and now the government have voted in vaccine passports and are making it compulsory for care workers to be jabbed.

I hope no one on here has relatives in care homes,,

Update...


Sister said she just feels a bit tired and got a slight cough... She says that apart from that she feels fine... And she said that she has just got over a cold that lasted 3 weeks which was much worse than she feels from the current bout of covid.

gelico wrote:here's a fun fact

so you remember Christmas 2020 - after the government had been teaching it's citizens the steps to a dance that has lasted ever since - when people weren't allowed to visit relatives and lockdown was important and care homes were not accessible nor to visit loved ones in hospitals and everything,,,,,

well while all this was going on, Tory aides were having a massive Christmas party for themselves, no social distancing, no masks.  Apparently, a raucous time was had by all.

I'm sure all of you who took the trouble to isolate and obey all the rules will be thrilled to bits to know that they all had a ripping time (much of the time spent laughing their collective ducks off at those very people who were isolating and obeying the rules and also congratulating themselves on their cleverness).


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

Of course once they got rumbled, Sean Bailey, who organised said party, (I bloody respected him as well ) bleated something about it being ''an error of judgement'' and resigned.  (I suspect he will simply be shunted into another position so hey ho)

and now the government have voted in vaccine passports and are making it compulsory for care workers to be jabbed.

I hope no one on here has relatives in care homes,,

This is why I try to break the rules whenever possible.

Tommy Monk wrote:


Just done another lateral flow test...















































Another negative result!!!

Celebrate your good fortune, old chap, so was my test. For me, a positive result would almost certainly have been a case of game over.

Not game over even for vast majority of so called 'higher risk groups' Moley... And I know you are of good stock and made of stern stuff... So a dose of covid would only be a mild irritation for you!

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Just done another lateral flow test...















































Another negative result!!!

Celebrate your good fortune, old chap, so was my test. For me, a positive result would almost certainly have been a case of game over.

nah Fred, not at all. They said right from the start that even in oldies with underlying health conditions and no treatment still only had about 7-8% chance of dying from it anyway.

back in the good old days, a positive result would almost certainly have been a case of hot lemon drinks a cheeky tot of alcohol, honey, cloves, ginger and some paracetomol if needed. wrap up well and get over it and carry on.

nothing has changed

do you honestly think our leaders would have been partying all over christmas 2020 while the rest of us were isolating if it was really that dangerous?

they look after themselves first always so,,,,

I take your point, Tommy And Gels, but most oldies’ tickers are at least 100 percent homo sapien, even if a bit weakened by old age. My own works only because three years ago some damn clever chap to whom I owe a great debt of gratitude, fitted an essential spare part made out of a bit of cow.
That sort of op does have lasting effects on one’s own already “best before by date” immune system which is why I tend to take a more cautious approach to Covid infection risks than some.

And Tommy…Spanish flu was indeed a killer on a global scale, but it was fuelled by huge movements of hunger and disease weakened refugees in the immediate aftermath of WW1 and there was no such thing as an NHS, established vaccination regimes or even a ful understanding of the causes and effects of mass transmissive diseases.

gelico wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Just done another lateral flow test...

Another negative result!!!

Celebrate your good fortune, old chap, so was my test. For me, a positive result would almost certainly have been a case of game over.

nah Fred, not at all.  They said right from the start that even in oldies with underlying health conditions and no treatment still only had about 7-8% chance of dying from it anyway.

back in the good old days, a  positive result would almost certainly have been a case of hot lemon drinks a cheeky tot of alcohol, honey, cloves, ginger and some paracetomol if needed.  wrap up well and get over it and carry on.

nothing has changed

do you honestly think our leaders would have been partying all over christmas 2020 while the rest of us were isolating if it was really that dangerous?

they look after themselves first always so,,,,

I quite agree.

Am I the only person who remembers all the video of Italian Covid patients' beds in hospital hallways because they had no more rooms? Or the countless images of people fighting to breathe?

Wow. It will never cease to amaze me that the people who will utterly freak out about the possibility that one in a million immigrants might be a terrorist will be the same people who act like a disease that can kill over 2 million people in a year is no big deal.

Fraser Nelson (from the Spectator)
My Twitter conversation with the chairman of the Sage Covid modelling committee












https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

Ben Reilly wrote:Am I the only person who remembers all the video of Italian Covid patients' beds in hospital hallways because they had no more rooms? Or the countless images of people fighting to breathe?

Wow. It will never cease to amaze me that the people who will utterly freak out about the possibility that one in a million immigrants might be a terrorist will be the same people who act like a disease that can kill over 2 million people in a year is no big deal.

do you mean the crisis actors that have been seen dying multiple times in different scenarios?

people die of flu each and every year and they always have done

we also know that coroners were told to put death down as covid when they didn't even see the corpse (majority of care home deaths were recorded as such)

this has been staged from the start to be seen as super serious but i ask you again

if it were that bad, why would the government take so many dreadful risks unto themselves by partying when they were telling all of us how deadly it was and to stay at home?

give it a little thought

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Kwame A
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BREAKING NEWS

1600 deaths reported in the UK today. 1 person out of 1600 may have died with Omicron.
As a result the UK Govt has declared a 'major incident' raising the threat level to 'critical' & warned everyone to stay home and not talk to anyone 'in order to stop Omicron.'''

Rinse and Repeat

gelico wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Am I the only person who remembers all the video of Italian Covid patients' beds in hospital hallways because they had no more rooms? Or the countless images of people fighting to breathe?

Wow. It will never cease to amaze me that the people who will utterly freak out about the possibility that one in a million immigrants might be a terrorist will be the same people who act like a disease that can kill over 2 million people in a year is no big deal.

do you mean the crisis actors that have been seen dying multiple times in different scenarios?

people die of flu each and every year and they always have done

we also know that coroners were told to put death down as covid when they didn't even see the corpse (majority of care home deaths were recorded as such)

this has been staged from the start to be seen as super serious but i ask you again

if it were that bad, why would the government take so many dreadful risks unto themselves by partying when they were telling all of us how deadly it was and to stay at home?

give it a little thought

So this is a world wide elaborate con - for what reason exactly, how has the entire world governments and the majority of scientists been drawn into this
I'd love to know the reason.
What do you reckon the people in care homes died of (not seeing the corpse of course) Coroners don't put the cause of death down, doctors dealing with the patient decide the cause of death and put down their reasons for that conclusion. When a coroner is involved case notes made out by the attending doctor are passed to them, a pathologist then draws the conclusion for the coroner. A coroner is not always a medic so cannot by themselves decide on a cause of death.

Look at the graph on this web site...


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-admissions



Look how low hospitalisations have been for Scotland, Wales and NI throughout!!!


Hardly any at all.


And still hardly any... So why are they bringing in such harsh restrictions when there are hardly any hospitalisations!!!???


And look at England figure... Staying about the same over last few weeks even though we are being told that Omicron is ripping through the population and we are being told how bad things are...!!!???

so did everyone else on here die?

what happened to everyone?

According to government there are 45 patients with covid in Maidstone hospital. Half have been 'vaccinated' and half not but some consultant surgeon there in Maidstone hospital has said that's wrong because

only the patients who have had the booster are considered vaccinated

the other half have only had the first and second jab and not the booster and are therefore put down as unvaccinated

see how it works

Oh yes gelico... They have been fudging the figures from the start!

You people know how right you are. Nobody can tell you anything.

Ben Reilly wrote:You people know how right you are. Nobody can tell you anything.

Some people look for the truth on the TV or from government stats, others look around them and at their extended friends and family. I will always believe my own eyes and ears over anything else. I will always believe what governments do rather than what they say. They are all saying one thing while doing another.

People triple jabbed still testing, still too scared to spend Christmas with their loved ones, while others go about their day without a care in the world I know what reality I'm living in, no point in living in the other one.

How many people these last two Christmases didnt see loved ones and those loved ones are no longer around and nothing to do with covid. so many young and old alike have died from other things this last two years, how many of their loved ones wishing they had done things differently?



Just how long are you going to do this for? How many jabs are you going to have? when will you say "enough" because those who have already said "enough" are waiting for you to join us.

Ben Reilly wrote:You people know how right you are. Nobody can tell you anything.

Well, here's what I do know for a fact

Various vaccines in the past have worked and worked well, I am not anti vax. Polio, rabies, Typhus, small pox, and various other illnesses have been combatted by vaccines. It generally takes ONE vaccine to work for a lifetime. Tetnus ad others may need a booster later on in life but that's all. I know that because of history and track records

I know that having contracted a virus the body's own immunity is way stronger than anything else manufactured. I know that because that's the way natural immunity has always worked

I know that during all the time the government told us it was very dangerous and banned people from seeing loved ones, they were doing there own thing. I know that because they have admitted it.

I know that paid actors have been paid to pretend all sorts of things. I know that because their pictures come up in various scenarios and you can track them on instagram etc.

I know that the inventor of this latest mRNA has specifically said it should NOT be tested on humans (the animal test subjects all died) He himself has said so.

I know that the MPs, sage scientists, voices like Dr Hilary Jones, Tony Blair, have been paid massive amounts of money by Bill Gates Foundation. I know that by looking on the foundation website.

I know that the pharmaceutical industry is a business like any other, out to make as much profit as possible and the only way they remain in profit is to supply medicine for sick people, therefore it makes no sense for them to cure anyone as it would destroy the business.

I know that covid didn't kill anymore people than any other virus because all the stats say so.

I know that this jab they are giving out has caused more injuries and deaths in the last year than ALL other vaccines throughout the last 50 years or more.

i know lots more than that but it will do for now.

But you, Ben. You went rushing off to get jabbed did you? so you must know something, I don't, if you somehow felt the need to do that.

Do tell me what you know,

Ben, you never answered my question on WHY you actually took this jab but whatever your reasons, please don't get any more


or at least look at stuff thoroughly before you do


Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

gelico wrote:


Ben, you never answered my question on WHY you actually took this jab but whatever your reasons, please don't get any more


or at least look at stuff  thoroughly before you do


Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

Look who's talking!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/amp/

Ben Reilly wrote:

gelico wrote:


Ben, you never answered my question on WHY you actually took this jab but whatever your reasons, please don't get any more


or at least look at stuff  thoroughly before you do


Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

Look who's talking!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/amp/

so you ignore genuine pathology reports because a bike riding tech guy says it's wrong?

ok, Ben

gelico wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:You people know how right you are. Nobody can tell you anything.

Well, here's what I do know for a fact

Various vaccines in the past have worked and worked well, I am not anti vax.  Polio, rabies, Typhus, small pox, and various other illnesses have been combatted by vaccines.  It generally takes ONE vaccine to work for a lifetime.  Tetnus ad others may need a booster later on in life but that's all.  I know that because of history and track records

I know that having contracted a virus the body's own immunity is way stronger than anything else manufactured.  I know that because that's the way natural immunity has always worked

I know that during all the time the government told us it was very dangerous and banned people from seeing loved ones, they were doing there own thing.  I know that because they have admitted it.

I know that paid actors have been paid to pretend all sorts of things.  I know that because their pictures come up in various scenarios and you can track them on instagram etc.

I know that the inventor of this latest mRNA has specifically said it should NOT be tested on humans (the animal test subjects all died)  He himself has said so.

I know that the MPs, sage scientists, voices like Dr Hilary Jones, Tony Blair, have been paid massive amounts of money by Bill Gates Foundation.  I know that by looking on the foundation website.

I know that the pharmaceutical industry is a business like any other, out to make as much profit as possible and the only way they remain in profit is to supply medicine for sick people, therefore it makes no sense for them to cure anyone as it would destroy the business.

I know that covid didn't kill anymore people than any other virus because all the stats say so.

I know that this jab they are giving out has caused more injuries and deaths in the last year than ALL other vaccines throughout the last 50 years or more.

i know lots more than that but it will do for now.

But you, Ben.  You went rushing off to get jabbed did you?  so you must know something, I don't, if you somehow felt the need to do that.

Do tell me what you know,

also, Ben - are you disputing any of the above?

if so what?

if not, could you tell me WHY it was so important for you to have this untried jab?

You claim that eddie and the kids are most important to you yet you have compromised your own health for what?

what about the kids? have they had it too? (completely unnecessarily)

I've read that some common haygever tablets (antihistamines) are thought to be effective against covid, but not publicised at all.

As of Aug 8th, 991 people had died in Japan after receiving shots of Pfizer Inc's vaccine and 11 after receiving Moderna's, but no causality between the injections and the deaths has been established, according to the health ministry.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-die-japan-after-shots-suspended-moderna-vaccines-japan-govt-2021-08-28/

gelico wrote:

gelico wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:You people know how right you are. Nobody can tell you anything.

Well, here's what I do know for a fact

Various vaccines in the past have worked and worked well, I am not anti vax.  Polio, rabies, Typhus, small pox, and various other illnesses have been combatted by vaccines.  It generally takes ONE vaccine to work for a lifetime.  Tetnus ad others may need a booster later on in life but that's all.  I know that because of history and track records

I know that having contracted a virus the body's own immunity is way stronger than anything else manufactured.  I know that because that's the way natural immunity has always worked

I know that during all the time the government told us it was very dangerous and banned people from seeing loved ones, they were doing there own thing.  I know that because they have admitted it.

I know that paid actors have been paid to pretend all sorts of things.  I know that because their pictures come up in various scenarios and you can track them on instagram etc.

I know that the inventor of this latest mRNA has specifically said it should NOT be tested on humans (the animal test subjects all died)  He himself has said so.

I know that the MPs, sage scientists, voices like Dr Hilary Jones, Tony Blair, have been paid massive amounts of money by Bill Gates Foundation.  I know that by looking on the foundation website.

I know that the pharmaceutical industry is a business like any other, out to make as much profit as possible and the only way they remain in profit is to supply medicine for sick people, therefore it makes no sense for them to cure anyone as it would destroy the business.

I know that covid didn't kill anymore people than any other virus because all the stats say so.

I know that this jab they are giving out has caused more injuries and deaths in the last year than ALL other vaccines throughout the last 50 years or more.

i know lots more than that but it will do for now.

But you, Ben.  You went rushing off to get jabbed did you?  so you must know something, I don't, if you somehow felt the need to do that.

Do tell me what you know,

also, Ben - are you disputing any of the above?

if so what?

if not, could you tell me WHY it was so important for you to have this untried jab?  

You claim that eddie and the kids are most important to you yet you have compromised your own health for what?

what about the kids?  have they had it too? (completely unnecessarily)

Again, the problem of which source/media story,/official government announcement you believe in will determine your beliefs.

WE DO NOT KNOW. WE, THE PUBLIC, DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE WHEN THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS EVERYWHERE WE LOOK.

So who knows? And if you don’t really KNOW use your own judgement aka common sense.

eddie wrote:

gelico wrote:


also, Ben - are you disputing any of the above?

if so what?

if not, could you tell me WHY it was so important for you to have this untried jab?  

You claim that eddie and the kids are most important to you yet you have compromised your own health for what?

what about the kids?  have they had it too? (completely unnecessarily)

Again, the problem of which source/media story,/official government announcement you believe in will determine your beliefs.



good point! When I see professionals who have been practising for years in their field being shut down I have to question why?

when I know that so many have been paid for their opinion then what is that opinion really worth? just a pay packet that's all.
just have to look at the Gates foundation website for linking them up.

WE DO NOT KNOW. WE, THE PUBLIC, DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE WHEN THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS EVERYWHERE WE LOOK.  

Anyone still believing - nearly two years later - that covid was ever any more dangerous than any other flu virus needs to question their own sanity, (imo)

So who knows? And if you don’t really KNOW use your own judgement aka common sense.

and your own judgement and common sense tells you what?,,,,,