Coronovirus could "realistically" evolve into far deadlier variant, says UK scientific advisory panel

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:45 pm

The emergence of a new COVID variant with a similar death rate to MERS, which kills one in three infected people, is a "realistic possibility", the government's scientific advisers have warned.

However the experts also say the virus could result in "much less severe disease" in older people and those who are clinically vulnerable in the long term.

In a paper published on Friday, the scientists outline the chances that a new variant will evade current vaccines, saying one of the causes is "almost certain" to happen.

The document written by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) looked at the "long term evolution of SARS-CoV-2", the virus that causes COVID-19.

It said the eradication of the virus "will be unlikely" and the scientists have "high confidence in stating that there will always be variants".

They considered a scenario where a variant causes severe disease in a greater proportion of the population than has previously occurred, with similar death rates to other coronaviruses SARS (10%) or MERS (35%).

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-deadlier-coronavirus-variant-a-realistic-possibility-sage-warns-12368798?fbclid=IwAR2O7fxxIZctRvkakV-Wn9X8r-uw_-Qi9zxKzIny-39zFF4UDeZKyvepcEA

Every time someone is infected with a virus, there's an opportunity for the virus to mutate into a deadlier version. That's why we must do everything to prevent infections from happening in the first place.

by HoratioTarr Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:56 pm

Stopping being dirty bastards in public might help. You see people coughing and sneezing, picking their noses, picking up the goods and putting it back. I really hope the sanitising stations remain permanently in supermarkets.

by eddie Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:52 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:Stopping being dirty bastards in public might help. You see people coughing and sneezing, picking their noses, picking up the goods and putting it back. I really hope the sanitising stations remain permanently in supermarkets.

Yeah really. Just wash your hands and be clean!

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:09 pm

And get vaccinated.

by HoratioTarr Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:21 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:And get vaccinated.

42 year old man died this week because he refused the vaccine. Died from sepsis and organ failure. When the hell are people going to realise that COVID is not the killer, but our own body's immune response? This guy was in the peak of fitness, had just done a run up a mountain 4 weeks before he died. On his deathbed, he regretted not having the vaccine. Not to have it, to expose yourself to this, is so selfish. Think of those you love and their utter devastation if you died. It's not about you. It's about others.

by Tommy Monk Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:42 am

It's far more likely, just as is seen in other viruses, that any mutation makes the virus much less harmful.

by Syl Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:19 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

It's far more likely, just as is seen in other viruses, that any mutation makes the virus much less harmful.

Obviously that hasn't happened with this virus, though you are so far in denial , and have been from the start, you can't see straight.

The Kent variant which started late last year, soon became the dominant infection globally, it was deadlier, not less harmful, because it was more infectious than the previous variants.
The Delta variant, is more deadly and more infectious....had the vaccination programme not began when it did, millions more would be dead.

Incidentally, latest statistics show that now one in every five people in hospital with the virus is between 18 and 35 years old....
So much for your belief that it only affects the old and vulnerable.

https://www.thehealthsite.com/news/covid-19-new-symptoms-delta-variant-deadlier-than-original-warn-us-doctors-check-new-symptoms-828167/

by Tommy Monk Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:38 pm

Put it into context...

Recently there has been in excess of 40,000 positive tests a day... Gov say that the real number of actual cases will be around 5 times that figure per day... So in just 4 weeks of this, there would have been somewhere in the region of around 6 million actual cases among the public... And a large proportion of these will most likely have been among the younger age group that you mention... While only being a fifth of the number currently in hospital with it... And of whom, the overwhelming vast majority (almost all of them) will respond well to treatment and be back out of hospital very quickly and with no lasting problems...

by Original Quill Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:37 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:And get vaccinated.

Within reason.

I have to say, I note the course that Republican Governors DeSantis (Florida), Abbott (Texas) and Doug Ducey (Arizona) are taking. Trump adulators all, they are subtly urging their followers not to get vaccinated. Their followers are all Republican, a huge portion of them seniors...do the math.

God forbid that anyone would wish this; but we are mere bystanders and are helpless to prevent it. These men view it as their political mission to discourage vaccination. Coronovirus could "realistically" evolve into far deadlier variant, says UK scientific advisory panel 2190311264

Coronovirus could "realistically" evolve into far deadlier variant, says UK scientific advisory panel 2190311264

The Delta variant may well surpass immigration/attrition as the vehicle for turning those states purple, and eventually blue.

Florida and Texas, along with Arizona – what with Phoenix, the 5th largest city in the US - would be quite a coup for the Democrats in the next election.

cheers

by Ben Reilly Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:14 pm

There was a family in Florida, they were pro-Trump people who are against the vaccine, and they had to watch their 16-year-old son die of covid as they watched through a window. He had no underlying health issues and was unvaccinated: https://eu.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/08/06/teen-dies-covid-19-jacksonvilles-wolfson-childrens-hospital/5510553001/

There are people dying in hospitals, recording videos urging people to get vaccinated before it's too late. Because with all the talk of how few people who catch the virus actually die from it, a lot of people have died and are still dying, and all it takes is a little bad luck.

by Original Quill Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:02 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:There was a family in Florida, they were pro-Trump people who are against the vaccine, and they had to watch their 16-year-old son die of covid as they watched through a window. He had no underlying health issues and was unvaccinated: https://eu.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/08/06/teen-dies-covid-19-jacksonvilles-wolfson-childrens-hospital/5510553001/

There are people dying in hospitals, recording videos urging people to get vaccinated before it's too late. Because with all the talk of how few people who catch the virus actually die from it, a lot of people have died and are still dying, and all it takes is a little bad luck.

Everyone will encounter the Covid-19 virus...bank on it. The question is: how prepared will your body be when it comes? If you have received the vaccine, your body's chances are 99%. If you have not, we don't know how severe it will be in anyone's unique body, but you will catch it.

Returning to the point stated above, Governor's DeSantis, Abbott and Ducey are agents against the steps that would prepare the body. They stand in favor of stripping the body's defenses, including defenses such as vaccines, social distancing, avoiding large gatherings, and even facemasks. As such, they are encouraging large portions of their following to die - and that will amount to less votes their cause will receive. You might as well be encouraging your followers to take potassium cyanide.

Jim Jones for governor, anyone??

by eddie Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:10 pm

Maybe everyone will catch it but it’s not deadly for the vast majority of people. Most people who get it are unwell, like they are with the flu.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:17 pm

eddie wrote:Maybe everyone will catch it but it’s not deadly for the vast majority of people. Most people who get it are unwell, like they are with the flu.

But there are so many reasons besides dying to avoid getting infected. Every time this virus infects someone, for example, it creates many thousands of copies of itself (if not more) but they're not always perfect copies -- some of them are mutants, the ancestors of all these variants that are causing so much trouble.

The only way to keep this or any other virus from mutating into a potentially far more infectious, or deadly, variant is to keep people from getting infected in the first place. There can be no mutation without infection and replication.

by Original Quill Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:40 pm

The way to kill off a species for certain is to take away its habitat. Think small. Vaccines take away habitat for this tiny virus, by making the hosts inhospitable, and ruining the habitat for the microbe. The same with other protections, such as PPE and social distancing. The more humans that are vaccinated, wear masks or socially distance, the more inhabitable the terrain is for the bug.

Politicians, by opposing such defenses, are allies of the virus. While they shout about their ‘rights’, and try to preserve their ‘freedoms’, they are actually working to keep the terrain fertile for the bug.

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