Compulsary covid jabs for care workers...or face the sack.

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Good, and it's about time.


"Covid vaccinations are to become mandatory for care home staff under plans to be announced by ministers, as they consider extending the move to all NHS staff.

The controversial measure sets up a likely battle with staff in both services and could lead to the government being sued under European human rights law or equalities legislation for breaching the freedom of people who work in caring roles to decide what they put into their bodies.

The Guardian understands that ministers will confirm they are pushing ahead with compulsory vaccination for most of the 1.5 million people working in social care in England, despite employer and staff organisations in the sector warning that it could backfire if workers quit rather than get immunised. Under the plans those working with adults will have 16 weeks to get vaccinated or face losing their jobs.

The government is also keen to make it mandatory for the 1.38 million people who are directly employed by the NHS in England to get vaccinated against Covid-19 and winter flu – proposals that have already been criticised by groups representing doctors, nurses and other staff.






https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You are wrong.  This isn't any infectious illness.  This is a pandemic that has killed, in the US, nearly three/quarters of a million people.  That's a demonstrated fact.

To go out without being vaccinated is precisely to pull the trigger on a crowd of that many people.

One big difference, it's illegal to fire a gun into a crowd of people, it's not illegal to walk around unvaccinated.  We both agree it's selfish and potentially dangerous for others, but it's still not the same as deliberately trying to kill someone..

That's the very point at which we presently find ourselves.  We're asking that very question in the US.  We've all seen enough western movies to know that one shouldn't go out and randomly shoot/kill someone.  Aren't we at that point where it is abundantly clear one shouldn't go out and randomly infect/kill people??

You talk about laws...that's exactly the question we, here in the US, are arguing over.  Southern governors (DeSantis of Florida, Abbott of Texas, and Ducey of Arizona) are arguing that it's all right to infect/kill, while they acknowledge that it's not all right to shoot/kill someone.

We need those laws!

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

One big difference, it's illegal to fire a gun into a crowd of people, it's not illegal to walk around unvaccinated.  We both agree it's selfish and potentially dangerous for others, but it's still not the same as deliberately trying to kill someone..

That's the very point at which we presently find ourselves.  We're asking that very question in the US.  We've all seen enough western movies to know that one shouldn't go out and randomly shoot/kill someone.  Aren't we at that point where it is abundantly clear one shouldn't go out and randomly infect/kill people??

You talk about laws...that's exactly the question we, here in the US, are arguing over.  Southern governors (DeSantis of Florida, Abbott of Texas, and Ducey of Arizona) are arguing that it's all right to infect/kill, while they acknowledge that it's not all right to shoot/kill someone.

We need those laws!

Using that analogy, one should have to present negative tests before they go out in public.

To prove they aren't infected.

And to be honest, Quill. Shouldn't be left out by himself at all. He's a danger to himself and everyone around him..

I think it's time for a conservatorship for that old goat.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

That's the very point at which we presently find ourselves.  We're asking that very question in the US.  We've all seen enough western movies to know that one shouldn't go out and randomly shoot/kill someone.  Aren't we at that point where it is abundantly clear one shouldn't go out and randomly infect/kill people??

You talk about laws...that's exactly the question we, here in the US, are arguing over.  Southern governors (DeSantis of Florida, Abbott of Texas, and Ducey of Arizona) are arguing that it's all right to infect/kill, while they acknowledge that it's not all right to shoot/kill someone.

We need those laws!

Using that analogy, one should have to present negative tests before they go out in public.

To prove they aren't infected.  

Well...something to prevent inflicting death on others. Testing is an imprecise diagnostic tool and can yield false negatives and false positives. Better to get vaccinations.

Maddog wrote:And to be honest, Quill. Shouldn't be left out by himself at all. He's a danger to himself and everyone around him..

I think it's time for a conservatorship for that old goat.

I take it my point is made.

I'd rather be in a conservatorship, than in a prison where you belong.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:


Using that analogy, one should have to present negative tests before they go out in public.

To prove they aren't infected.  

Well...something to prevent inflicting death on others.  Testing is an imprecise diagnostic tool and can yield false negatives and false positives.  Better to get vaccinations.

The vaccinated can still carry the virus amd kill people.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:And to be honest, Quill. Shouldn't be left out by himself at all. He's a danger to himself and everyone around him..

I think it's time for a conservatorship for that old goat.

I take it my point is made.

I'd rather be in a conservatorship, than in a prison where you belong.

They gotta catch me first.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Well...something to prevent inflicting death on others.  Testing is an imprecise diagnostic tool and can yield false negatives and false positives.  Better to get vaccinations.

The vaccinated can still carry the virus amd kill people.

Highly unlikely, and very rarely.  But that's why you wear masks and practice social distancing, proper hygiene etc., in addition to vaccination.  You do all you can to prevent spread.

Otherwise, you're a loaded gun just looking to kill someone.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The vaccinated can still carry the virus amd kill people.

Highly unlikely, and very rarely.  But that's why you wear masks and practice social distancing, proper hygiene etc., in addition to vaccination.  You do all you can to prevent spread.

Otherwise, you're a loaded gun just looking to kill someone.

You're a fucking half cocked gun.

Meanwhile, about 50,000 people in Cowboy Stadium for Chris Stapleton last night.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Highly unlikely, and very rarely.  But that's why you wear masks and practice social distancing, proper hygiene etc., in addition to vaccination.  You do all you can to prevent spread.

Otherwise, you're a loaded gun just looking to kill someone.

You're a fucking half cocked gun.

Not a good loser, are ya?

Maddog wrote:


Meanwhile, about 50,000 people in Cowboy Stadium for Chris Stapleton last night.

We are out and about almost as normal now, but there is NO WAY I would be happy stuck in the middle of that mass gathering.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:


Meanwhile, about 50,000 people in Cowboy Stadium for Chris Stapleton last night.

We are out and about almost as normal now, but there is NO WAY I would be happy stuck in the middle of that mass gathering.

I will not be surprised in the least to find out that Arlington, where that happened, has a massive uptick in Covid cases in the weeks to come. That's just so fucking stupid.

And what's the point of posting that photo, Maddog? Do you think that if enough people decide to throw caution to the wind, Covid is just going to give up?

Does the virus grow stronger when more people fear it, or something? Can we will it to go away by being brave?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

We are out and about almost as normal now, but there is NO WAY I would be happy stuck in the middle of that mass gathering.

I will not be surprised in the least to find out that Arlington, where that happened, has a massive uptick in Covid cases in the weeks to come. That's just so fucking stupid.

Do you realize that Jerry World has an event there about every week?

And next door the Rangers are playing several home games a week?

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

We are out and about almost as normal now, but there is NO WAY I would be happy stuck in the middle of that mass gathering.

I will not be surprised in the least to find out that Arlington, where that happened, has a massive uptick in Covid cases in the weeks to come. That's just so fucking stupid.

Do you realize that Jerry World has an event there about every week?

And next door the Rangers are playing several home games a week?

My mother sent me this earlier today:

We are right back where we started over here. **** and I wear masks when we go shopping. **** double masks when she delivers stuff. Almost every person in our very crowded hospitals is unvaccinated. I don't feel bad for them. They could have stayed safe by just getting a couple shots. Really stupid!

Ben Reilly wrote:And what's the point of posting that photo, Maddog? Do you think that if enough people decide to throw caution to the wind, Covid is just going to give up?

Does the virus grow stronger when more people fear it, or something? Can we will it to go away by being brave?

I think it shows the different ways folks deal with something dangerous.

It demonstrates how different parts of the world are changing or not changing their lives.

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:And what's the point of posting that photo, Maddog? Do you think that if enough people decide to throw caution to the wind, Covid is just going to give up?

Does the virus grow stronger when more people fear it, or something? Can we will it to go away by being brave?

I think it shows the different ways folks deal with something dangerous.

It demonstrates how different parts of the world are changing or not changing their lives.  

In other words, some people deal with something dangerous by doing stupid things, other people don't.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I think it shows the different ways folks deal with something dangerous.

It demonstrates how different parts of the world are changing or not changing their lives.  

In other words, some people deal with something dangerous by doing stupid things, other people don't.

Yes, free people do stupid things. They also have their own definitions for stupid.

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I think it shows the different ways folks deal with something dangerous.

It demonstrates how different parts of the world are changing or not changing their lives.  

In other words, some people deal with something dangerous by doing stupid things, other people don't.

Yes, free people do stupid things. They also have their own definitions for stupid.  

They're also free to say that Russian Roulette isn't a stupid game. I'm also free to define stupidity as risking your life to see Chris Stapleton perform live.

I get that a life without pleasures can feel like a life not worth living. I understand how easily a person can become tired of being super-cautious. I get that all the stuff that we've been doing to stop that pandemic can feel oppressive.

But surely I'm not babbling incoherently when I say that sometimes it's smarter to be careful, even if you don't feel like it, than it is to die from something you could have prevented.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yes, free people do stupid things. They also have their own definitions for stupid.  

They're also free to say that Russian Roulette isn't a stupid game. I'm also free to define stupidity as risking your life to see Chris Stapleton perform live.

I get that a life without pleasures can feel like a life not worth living. I understand how easily a person can become tired of being super-cautious. I get that all the stuff that we've been doing to stop that pandemic can feel oppressive.

But surely I'm not babbling incoherently when I say that sometimes it's smarter to be careful, even if you don't feel like it, than it is to die from something you could have prevented.

You're free to believe that.

Wanna bet Jerry has 100K in attendance opening day showing you that there are huge numbers of people that think differently than you?.

Don't forget, you're reaction is going to be based on conditioning. You have weathered most of this in the UK. How you feel about events like this are going to be impacted on where you live now.

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

In other words, some people deal with something dangerous by doing stupid things, other people don't.

Yes, free people do stupid things. They also have their own definitions for stupid.  

Hahaha...that's southern logic.  There is no other definition for stupid. We can watch stupid people do stupid things on Ridiculousness.  Never thought it could be considered a southern virtue, but that makes sense.  

I just think...those are the people who went to the polls and elected Greg Abbott for governor, and they could be unable to vote at any minute...and I smile quietly.  God has strange ways of bestowing blessings.  

New research has found that the vaccine protection starts to wear off after 6 months, so boosters will be necessary for the foreseeable.

This is disappointing but not unexpected news. I hope people will just get the top ups as and when.


https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-covid-news-live-protection-061259870.html

Isn't this interesting that this coincides with the availability of booster shots?

Oh well...if you got the first shots, it's little trouble getting the booster.

Syl wrote:New research has found that the vaccine protection starts to wear off after 6 months, so boosters will be necessary for the foreseeable.

This is disappointing but not unexpected news. I hope people will just get the top ups as and when.


https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-covid-news-live-protection-061259870.html

Already doing them here for people with preexisting conditions.

No one's arms or other appendages have fallen off to my knowledge.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:New research has found that the vaccine protection starts to wear off after 6 months, so boosters will be necessary for the foreseeable.

This is disappointing but not unexpected news. I hope people will just get the top ups as and when.


https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-covid-news-live-protection-061259870.html

Already doing them here for people with preexisting conditions.

No one's arms or other appendages have fallen off to my knowledge.  

Governor Abbott must be apoplectic. He, of the individual right to spread the virus to family and friends, must be preparing legislation to dissolve the Texas Supreme Court...which has said he can't interfere with school district precautions.

Disappointing to hear that, especially seeing as I read another article that said the mRNA versions might very well confer lifetime immunity.

However, boosters won't be necessary forever. Eventually the disease will be eradicated and nobody will have to be vaccinated.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Already doing them here for people with preexisting conditions.

No one's arms or other appendages have fallen off to my knowledge.  

Governor Abbott must be apoplectic.  He, of the individual right to spread the virus to family and friends, must be preparing legislation to dissolve the Texas Supreme Court...which has said he can't interfere with school district precautions.

He's not opposed to vaccines and has had his.

He has no problems with booster shots.

Ben Reilly wrote:Disappointing to hear that, especially seeing as I read another article that said the mRNA versions might very well confer lifetime immunity.

However, boosters won't be necessary forever. Eventually the disease will be eradicated and nobody will have to be vaccinated.

Will it?

Will it be like smallpox or more like the flu?

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Governor Abbott must be apoplectic.  He, of the individual right to spread the virus to family and friends, must be preparing legislation to dissolve the Texas Supreme Court...which has said he can't interfere with school district precautions.

He's not opposed to vaccines and has had his.

He has no problems with booster shots.

Governor Abbott's a Trumpster.  He's for whatever Trump favors.

Two-three days ago, Trump said in a speech that he had switched, and was now for vaccinations.  So, permission was given by Trump to Governors Abbott, DeSantis and Ducey to switch as well.  That, and the fact that he got creamed by the Texas Supreme Court, was what changed Abbott's mind about vaccines.

I think Trump realized that all he was doing was killing off Republican voters.  Abbott, DeSantis and Ducey are too dumb to figure that out on their own, or collectively.  Truth be told...I think Putin finally tipped to the fact that they were killing off Republican voters, and he sent out his orders to Trump to switch. Because, even Trump couldn't figure it out.

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I'm talking to more medics willing to contradict the Narrative. Several have told me vaxing kids doesn't make sense. But, we live in such times, that they can't risk going public. They fear, with good reason, that they'll lose jobs & lose their licence to practice. #LIBERTYNOT

It's better for kids to be exposed to the actual virus and to develop natural antibodies and resistance to it.

Tommy Monk wrote:It's better for kids to be exposed to the actual virus and to develop natural antibodies and resistance to it.

Is it better for kids to kill? How about their parents and relatives, whom the kids infect? Right now the State of Florida, governed by Trumpster Ron DeSantis, tops the US killing fields.

It is extremely unlikely to kill their parents and grandparents either... Especially if they are themselves vaccinated.

And yet 600 to 700 people are still dying of Covid related deaths every week in the UK.
Figures are predicted to rise as schools go back and Autumn approaches.

Tommy. you have lived in cloud-cuckoo-land since this pandemic began.

Syl, you still seem to misunderstand the difference between 'dying from covid' and 'dying from other things after coincidentally having tested positive for covid'...


"The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19."

Tommy Monk wrote:Syl, you still seem to misunderstand the difference between 'dying from covid' and 'dying from other things after coincidentally having tested positive for covid'...

"The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19."

Too much bullshite.

Tommy Monk wrote:



"The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19."

Actually, I checked this out a couple of days ago.
There is conflicting evidence on whether the immune system is made stronger by catching the virus or being vaccinated against it.
The overall opinion,  so far, seems to be that the vaccine gives stronger protection, but for a shorter time, but I dont think anything is conclusive as yet.

You can find a report that claims that natural infection is more powerful than vaccination....I can find you one that says the opposite.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

You definately won't find any report that says NOT having the vaccination gives you more protection from catching and spreading Covid.

The article I posted goes on to say that those who have had the virus and then had one vaccine shot, have the strongest resistance to getting covid again...


But having that jab could kill you or cause a load of other problems... While just getting covid again without any jab (after already having it without any issues as is the case with almost all people), is already unlikely, but also won't cause you any problems at all.


I've already had covid... As have most the UK population, without anything more than feeling like a bit of flu for a few days, or in even more cases having absolutely no symtoms at all... I'm not scared of getting covid again, as I most likely won't get it again as I have an immune system that is already wise to the virus that will either prevent infection or quickly fight off infection... Why would I have an experimental vaccine that not only won't really do anything my immune system is already doing, and that might actually kill me...!?


It's not me who is in cloud cookoo land... I am being realistic and rational about things... Not whipped up into a frenzy by all the media hyperbole and claptrap.

Syl said...

You definately won't find any report that says NOT having the vaccination gives you more protection from catching and spreading Covid.



Did you not read this bit of the article I posted...?


"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl said...

You definately won't find any report that says NOT having the vaccination gives you more protection from catching and spreading Covid.



Did you not read this bit of the article I posted...?


"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."

Did you not read my link...

"If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. “This study shows you are twice as likely to get infected again if you are unvaccinated. Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious Delta variant spreads around the country.”

Whether you have had the infection or not, whether you have been double jabbed or not, how long the antibodies protect you is just not known as yet. Scientists are finding new info all the time.

And good for you and your 'I'm all right Jack' attitude. So you caught the virus and wasn't really ill, and  are not bothered if you catch it again.
One in three people are asymptomatic, you and they are lucky.

Not so lucky are the people you come into contact with who may catch your virus and be seriously ill or worse.

The vaccines are experimental and do kill some people, and they can cause serious problems for others.


I don't pay much attention to what the CDC (or any other American gov departments) say...



However...

"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."


Why would I take a vaccine that might kill or injure me...!?


And if vaccinated people can still get the virus, spread the virus, and be hospitalised and die from the virus... Then they are no less risky to others than I am... But just a lot more self righteous and sanctimonious...

Tommy Monk wrote:The vaccines are experimental and do kill some people, and they can cause serious problems for others.

I don't pay much attention to what the CDC (or any other American gov departments) say...

...because they are science, and you believe in voodoo?  What BULLSHIT!

Tommy Monk wrote:However...

"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."

Why would I take a vaccine that might kill or injure me...!?

And if vaccinated people can still get the virus, spread the virus, and be hospitalised and die from the virus... Then they are no less risky to others than I am... But just a lot more self righteous and sanctimonious...

You could talk yourself into buying cosmetics from Mary Kaye...gawd almighty!

The vaccines work just fine and are not a threat to you or anyone.  What they are finding is that vaccinated people can still carry the Delta virus.  They don't get sick, but their breathing passages do provide an effective habitat for the bug.  As such, they are effective spreaders to the idiots who have not gotten vaccinated.  Hence, the return to the masks.

It all could be eliminated if people (the idiots that are left) would get vaccinated.

Tommy was off colour for a couple of days 18 months ago, he is convinced he had Covid even though it was never confirmed.

Even if it was, his immune system may not prevent him from catching and spreading it again.

Millions of lives have been saved thanks to the vaccine...if a booster is needed, so what?

There is endless proof out there that catching Covid is far more deadly to millions (over four and a half million so far) than the vaccine, which has affected a minute amount of people.

Syl wrote:Tommy was off colour for a couple of days 18 months ago, he is convinced he had Covid even though it was never confirmed.

Even if it was, his immune system may not prevent him from catching and spreading it again.


Not according to every immunologist professional out there, but what do they know eh? silly buggers!

Millions of lives have been saved thanks to the vaccine...if a booster is needed, so what?

utter BS, sy, no offence. the first vaccine was never needed, much less any booster

There is endless proof out there that catching Covid is far more deadly to millions (over four and a half million so far) than the vaccine, which has affected a minute amount of people.

There is endless propaganda out there that catching Covid is far more deadly to millions (over four and a half million so far) than the vaccine, which has affected a minute amount of people.



I corrected your last sentence for you

you're welcome

Syl wrote:Tommy was off colour for a couple of days 18 months ago, he is convinced he had Covid even though it was never confirmed.

Even if it was, his immune system may not prevent him from catching and spreading it again.

Millions of lives have been saved thanks to the vaccine...if a booster is needed, so what?

There is endless proof out there that catching Covid is far more deadly to millions (over four and a half million so far) than the vaccine, which has affected a minute amount of people.

I checked out Tommy's link, and its well documented.

Based on that, I believe anyone that can prove a positive case of covid should be treated the same as the vaccinated as they are better protected...

US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on
Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint,
“All Cause Severe Morbidity”


https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific--1811.pdf

''Based on this data it is all but a certainty that mass COVID-19 immunization is hurting the health of the population in general. Scientific principles dictate that the mass immunization with COVID-19 vaccines must be halted immediately because we face a looming vaccine induced public health catastrophe''.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The vaccines are experimental and do kill some people, and they can cause serious problems for others.

I don't pay much attention to what the CDC (or any other American gov departments) say...

...because they are science, and you believe in voodoo?  What BULLSHIT!

Tommy Monk wrote:However...

"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."

Why would I take a vaccine that might kill or injure me...!?

And if vaccinated people can still get the virus, spread the virus, and be hospitalised and die from the virus... Then they are no less risky to others than I am... But just a lot more self righteous and sanctimonious...

The vaccines work just fine and are not a threat to you or anyone.  (Not true, has killed lots of people and caused serious problems for others. Plus there may be long term negative effects that are not yet known.)


What they are finding is that vaccinated people can still carry the Delta virus. (Yes that is true, and I've already said this, and there is unanimous evidence for this )


 They don't get sick. (That is a complete lie. They can get really sick, hospitalised, and even die still.)

Quill... Please try reading..


"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."



I am in the former group... However the latter group of 'not had covid before, but been double jabbed' people are more likely to catch the virus from someone other than me, and likely be more contagious to me and others, than I am to catch it elsewhere and be contagious to them and others... so I find their preachy self righteousness a little tiresome...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

...because they are science, and you believe in voodoo?  What BULLSHIT!





The vaccines work just fine and are not a threat to you or anyone.  (Not true, has killed lots of people and caused serious problems for others. Plus there may be long term negative effects that are not yet known.)


What they are finding is that vaccinated people can still carry the Delta virus. (Yes that is true, and I've already said this, and there is unanimous evidence for this )


 They don't get sick. (That is a complete lie. They can get really sick, hospitalised, and even die still.)

Quill... Please try reading..

"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."

I am in the former group... However the latter group of 'not had covid before, but been double jabbed' people are more likely to catch the virus from someone other than me, and likely be more contagious to me and others, than I am to catch it elsewhere and be contagious to them and others... so I find their preachy self righteousness a little tiresome...

First, we don't know that you had it; you've never been tested.

Second, I've already said that's Bullshit. The vaccinated people don't get the virus - their immune systems reject it - but they are carriers and can show positives when tested because of the presence of the virus in airways. Researchers believe they can carry the virus in their breathing passages, and so they are transmitters. You confuse the two.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

...because they are science, and you believe in voodoo?  What BULLSHIT!





The vaccines work just fine and are not a threat to you or anyone.  (Not true, has killed lots of people and caused serious problems for others. Plus there may be long term negative effects that are not yet known.)


What they are finding is that vaccinated people can still carry the Delta virus. (Yes that is true, and I've already said this, and there is unanimous evidence for this )


 They don't get sick. (That is a complete lie. They can get really sick, hospitalised, and even die still.)

Quill... Please try reading..  


"...The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19..."



I am in the former group... However the latter group of 'not had covid before, but been double jabbed' people are more likely to catch the virus from someone other than me, and likely be more contagious to me and others, than I am to catch it elsewhere and be contagious to them and others... so I find their preachy self righteousness a little tiresome...

Yeah, he doesn't need to, or can't.

Still not sure.