Harry and Meghan name their second child after the Queen and Diana.

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A thoughtful touch.....or maybe it's a crafty gesture to get back in favour??


"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced the birth of their baby daughter Lilibet “Lili” Diana Mountbatten-Windsor.

Harry and Meghan said Lilibet was born on Friday at 11.40am Santa Barbara, California, and is now “settling in at home”.

Lilibet is named after the Queen, her great-grandmother, and her middle name was chosen to honour Diana, Princess of Wales."


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/royal-family/harry-and-meghan-announce-birth-of-daughter-lilibet-diana/ar-AAKLhcL

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Who are these over sensitive numpties who are making these sort of decisions to sack and suspended people from their jobs just for tweeting a joke!?

Haha...and here you are, posting this on a thread venting complaints of over-sensitive numpties, over slighting of irrelevant, 18th-century royals.

What the fuk are you talking about!!!???


What you said makes no sense whatsoever!!!

Seems the couple may have told yet another big fib.

"Buckingham Palace has refused to back the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in a row with the BBC over whether the couple sought the Queen’s permission to name their daughter Lilibet.

The Duke and Duchess claimed they would not have used the name if the Queen had not been “supportive” of their choice.The Telegraph understands the Queen was “told” about the name after the baby was born last Friday, rather than her permission being sought in advance.

It suggests that if the Duke and Duchess chose the name to curry favour with the Queen and the wider Royal family, the tactic has backfired badly.

It also left the Queen, 95, in the unwelcome position of being at the centre of a row between her grandson on one side and the BBC and her own officials on the other.

The Duke and Duchess’s daughter was born in California on Friday morning, and it is understood that the couple told the Queen about their choice of name between the baby’s birth and the public announcement of it on Sunday.

It emerged on Wednesday night that the internet domain name lilidiana.com was registered on May 31, several days before the birth, raising questions about whether the couple had already settled on the baby name by that stage."










https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/palace-refuses-to-back-sussexes-in-row-over-baby-lilibet-s-name/ar-AAKSuyG?ocid=msedgdhp

The bottom line is, once more the queen has been dragged into the spotlight that this couple seem to crave....and for all the wrong reasons.

She has dedicated her life to a monarchs duties,, which she has done impeccably for almost 70 years.

Whether you are a royalist or not, or even just a loving grandma, it's so sad that in her final years she is being put through such emotional stress.

Agree with you Syl. They may have discussed names with the Queen but I doubt Lilibet was specifically mentioned, probably something like 'we are thinking of calling the baby after you granny' with granny thinking Elizabeth. Can't help wondering why any other family member hasn't honoured the Queen like this if its all so ok to use a pet name of someone.

Syl wrote:The bottom line is, once more the queen has been dragged into the spotlight that this couple seem to crave....and for all the wrong reasons.

She has dedicated her life to a monarchs duties,, which she has done impeccably for almost 70 years.

Whether you are a royalist or not,  or even just a loving grandma, it's so sad that in her final years she is being put through such emotional stress.

Fook 'em, if they can't take a joke.

Maybe we should have such concern for the real problems in the world?  The homeless?  Climate change?  Distribution of wealth?  Immigration?  How to prevent the next pandemic?  Droughts?  Hurricanes?  The list is endless.

Not that this subject isn't fun...but it's not really serious. It's a trite and frivolous plot line: how a couple of kids broke with their parents, and rejected the beautiful life their parents had purchased for them. Or, look what happens when the rebellious son marries outside of his class (or, god forbid, race). These little dramas come up every day in suburbia. Is it so important when the same thing happens to a wealthy, but otherwise irrelevant, passé family?

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:The bottom line is, once more the queen has been dragged into the spotlight that this couple seem to crave....and for all the wrong reasons.

She has dedicated her life to a monarchs duties,, which she has done impeccably for almost 70 years.

Whether you are a royalist or not,  or even just a loving grandma, it's so sad that in her final years she is being put through such emotional stress.

Fook 'em, if they can't take a joke.

Maybe we should have such concern for the real problems in the world?  The homeless?  Climate change?  Distribution of wealth?  Immigration?  How to prevent the next pandemic?  Droughts?  Hurricanes?  The list is endless.

Not that this subject isn't fun...but it's not really serious.  It's a trite and frivolous plot line: how a couple of kids broke with their parents, and rejected the beautiful life their parents had purchased for them.  Or, look what happens when the rebellious son marries outside of his class (or, god forbid, race).  These little dramas come up every day in suburbia. Is it so important when the same thing happens to a wealthy, but otherwise irrelevant, passé family?

So stop talking about them.

You're welcome.

Maddog wrote:So stop talking about them.

You're welcome.

I didn't say the subject wasn't "fun". I just want to put things into perspective...it's a TV sitcom, or a film like Meet the Parents.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:The bottom line is, once more the queen has been dragged into the spotlight that this couple seem to crave....and for all the wrong reasons.

She has dedicated her life to a monarchs duties,, which she has done impeccably for almost 70 years.

Whether you are a royalist or not,  or even just a loving grandma, it's so sad that in her final years she is being put through such emotional stress.

Fook 'em, if they can't take a joke.

Maybe we should have such concern for the real problems in the world?  The homeless?  Climate change?  Distribution of wealth?  Immigration?  How to prevent the next pandemic?  Droughts?  Hurricanes?  The list is endless.

Not that this subject isn't fun...but it's not really serious.  It's a trite and frivolous plot line: how a couple of kids broke with their parents, and rejected the beautiful life their parents had purchased for them.  Or, look what happens when the rebellious son marries outside of his class (or, god forbid, race).  These little dramas come up every day in suburbia. Is it so important when the same thing happens to a wealthy, but otherwise irrelevant, passé family?

You are right that as world tragedies go....this isn't one of them, but it makes a change from endless talk of the pandemic, Trump, Brexit etc.

I also think human interest topics are interesting to talk about...and though some may not think so, the royal family are human.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Fook 'em, if they can't take a joke.

Maybe we should have such concern for the real problems in the world?  The homeless?  Climate change?  Distribution of wealth?  Immigration?  How to prevent the next pandemic?  Droughts?  Hurricanes?  The list is endless.

Not that this subject isn't fun...but it's not really serious.  It's a trite and frivolous plot line: how a couple of kids broke with their parents, and rejected the beautiful life their parents had purchased for them.  Or, look what happens when the rebellious son marries outside of his class (or, god forbid, race).  These little dramas come up every day in suburbia. Is it so important when the same thing happens to a wealthy, but otherwise irrelevant, passé family?

You are right that as world tragedies go....this isn't one of them, but it makes a change from endless talk of the pandemic, Trump, Brexit etc.

I also think human interest topics are interesting to talk about...and though some may not think so, the royal family are human.

I say "fun", you say "interesting to talk about..." The important point is that we agree.

But really, we are treading on the dysfunctions of this family. I don't know how Charles and Andrew got that way, but they are piss-poor parents and absolute disasters as role models.

We only know what kind of parents they were through what we read in the papers.
Charles did seem detached when his sons were young, Diana was a warm and loving mother though, so those boys were not short of affection.

Both Andrew and Anne dont seem detached from their children, and they had a similar upbringing to Prince Charles.

Syl wrote:We only know what kind of parents they were through what we read in the papers.
Charles did seem detached when his sons were young, Diana was a warm and loving mother though, so those boys were not short of affection.

Both Andrew and Anne dont seem detached from their children, and they had a similar upbringing to Prince Charles.

I believe Diana was the reason why the boys grew up with the dignity and maturity they did...no thanks to Charles. Andrew is a pervert...nuff said.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:We only know what kind of parents they were through what we read in the papers.
Charles did seem detached when his sons were young, Diana was a warm and loving mother though, so those boys were not short of affection.

Both Andrew and Anne dont seem detached from their children, and they had a similar upbringing to Prince Charles.

I believe Diana was the reason why the boys grew up with the dignity and maturity they did...no thanks to Charles.  Andrew is a pervert...nuff said.

Andrew comes across as a pompous, weak man and a proven liar....whether he is a pervert is unclear.

Diana was a warm and loving mother, maybe if she hadn't been killed at such a crucial time in a young boys life Harry wouldn't have been so easily swayed by Meghan, who really does seem to be acting in her own interests rather than his.

Speaking of Meghan,  she has tried to manipulate the press and public by repeating a lot of what Diana spoke about, her isolation, her thoughts of suicide whilst pregnant, the way the royal family ignored her pleas for help etc etc....
But Diana was alone, no husband by her side, no mother to turn to, no real friends by all accounts, Meghan has all of these, her situation has always been very different to Diana's.

Syl wrote: Andrew comes across as a pompous, weak man and a proven liar....whether he is a pervert is unclear.

Diana was a warm and loving mother, maybe if she hadn't been killed at such a crucial time in a young boys life Harry wouldn't have been so easily swayed by Meghan, who really does seem to be acting in her own interests rather than his.

Speaking of Meghan,  she has tried to manipulate the press and public by repeating a lot of what Diana spoke about, her isolation, her thoughts of suicide whilst pregnant, the way the royal family ignored her pleas for help etc etc....
But Diana was alone, no husband by her side, no mother to turn to, no real friends by all accounts, Meghan has all of these, her situation has always been very different to Diana's.

I don't see anything you say about Meghan in her actions or personality.  She is an average person, nothing spectacular, and nothing dull. She seems a normal person, going about her own business.

Nor do I see the weakness in Harry that certain Brits seem to seek.  Frankly, I think those people are willing to sacrifice Harry in order to make Meg out to be a manipulative villain.

But, as I say, none of it is important.  It’s just an average sitcom, and much ado about nothing.  Haha…if they were in politics, now that would be something else.  

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote: Andrew comes across as a pompous, weak man and a proven liar....whether he is a pervert is unclear.

Diana was a warm and loving mother, maybe if she hadn't been killed at such a crucial time in a young boys life Harry wouldn't have been so easily swayed by Meghan, who really does seem to be acting in her own interests rather than his.

Speaking of Meghan,  she has tried to manipulate the press and public by repeating a lot of what Diana spoke about, her isolation, her thoughts of suicide whilst pregnant, the way the royal family ignored her pleas for help etc etc....
But Diana was alone, no husband by her side, no mother to turn to, no real friends by all accounts, Meghan has all of these, her situation has always been very different to Diana's.

I don't see anything you say about Meghan in her actions or personality.  She is an average person, nothing spectacular, and nothing dull. She seems a normal person, going about her own business.

Nor do I see the weakness in Harry that certain Brits seem to seek.  Frankly, I think those people are willing to sacrifice Harry in order to make Meg out to be a manipulative villain.

But, as I say, none of it is important.  It’s just an average sitcom, and much ado about nothing.  Haha…if they were in politics, now that would be something else.  

I think we will have to agree to disagree on Meghan's motives Quill. She was very well received when she first came here with Harry, and I think millions of people were just happy that he had found the woman he wanted to marry and settle with.

Time will tell if it's a fairy tale with a happy ending, or a soap opera without the cliffhanger....let's hope so.

I think the term is "shocked", not "well received".  All the whispers were to the effect, OMG, Harry is marrying a negress!!  Outwardly the British royal family and aristocracy appeared reserved and proper, but inwardly they were fretting, what if they produce lil royal pickaninnies?

Anyway, Harry and Meghan are happy and comfortable with their family and cozy life in Santa Barbara.  Each side has turned their back on the other, and need not live with unnecessary stress.  Which is what Harry and Meghan wanted in the first place, is it not?

Original Quill wrote:I think the term is "shocked", not "well received".  All the whispers were to the effect, OMG, Harry is marrying a negress!!  Outwardly the British royal family and aristocracy appeared reserved and proper, but inwardly they were fretting, what if they produce lil royal pickaninnies?

Anyway, Harry and Meghan are happy and comfortable with their family and cozy life in Santa Barbara.  Each side has turned their back on the other, and need not live with unnecessary stress.  Which is what Harry and Meghan wanted in the first place, is it not?

That simply didn't happen.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I think the term is "shocked", not "well received".  All the whispers were to the effect, OMG, Harry is marrying a negress!!  Outwardly the British royal family and aristocracy appeared reserved and proper, but inwardly they were fretting, what if they produce lil royal pickaninnies?

Anyway, Harry and Meghan are happy and comfortable with their family and cozy life in Santa Barbara.  Each side has turned their back on the other, and need not live with unnecessary stress.  Which is what Harry and Meghan wanted in the first place, is it not?

That simply didn't happen.

It happened in his mind. That's all that matters.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I think the term is "shocked", not "well received".  All the whispers were to the effect, OMG, Harry is marrying a negress!!  Outwardly the British royal family and aristocracy appeared reserved and proper, but inwardly they were fretting, what if they produce lil royal pickaninnies?

Anyway, Harry and Meghan are happy and comfortable with their family and cozy life in Santa Barbara.  Each side has turned their back on the other, and need not live with unnecessary stress.  Which is what Harry and Meghan wanted in the first place, is it not?

That simply didn't happen.

It didn't happen...OUTLOUD! People in high powered positions develop two forms of language...one that they speak to the outside world, and another that expresses their interior thoughts, but they speak only to close family and associates. (EG: Trump, speaking of "grabbing pussy".)

We know that Harry was questioned about the pigmentation of his expected child's skin...in a what if?? fashion. We don't know who the questioner was, but we do know that it was part of the conversation. Imagine if you were in that conversation, and it was said to you, about your child, who will forever be inextricably your own flesh and blood...wouldn't you want to disassociate from that company?

It bespeaks a group, or family that thinks in those ways...ways that are ugly and cruel. My wife was from south of New Orleans, and I heard that kind of ugly-speak from certain relatives all the time and it disgusted me. And I am not even black...Harry is married to his wife for life, and his child will be his child for life...and this is the way his family/associates think of him. I would be like...Good-bye!

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

That simply didn't happen.

It didn't happen...OUTLOUD!  People in high powered positions develop two forms of language...one that they speak to the outside world, and another that expresses their interior thoughts, but they speak only to close family and associates.  (EG: Trump, speaking of "grabbing pussy".)

We know that Harry was questioned about the pigmentation of his expected child's skin...in a what if?? fashion.  We don't know who the questioner was, but we do know that it was part of the conversation.  Imagine if you were in that conversation, and it was said to you, about your child, who will forever be inextricably your own flesh and blood...wouldn't you want to disassociate from that company?

It bespeaks a group, or family that thinks in those ways...ways that are ugly and cruel.  My wife was from south of New Orleans, and I heard that kind of ugly-speak from certain relatives all the time and it disgusted me.  And I am not even black...Harry is married to his wife for life, and his child will be his child for life...and this is the way his family/associates think of him.  I would be like...Good-bye!  

It happened in you mind, like so many things you confuse with facts.

Quill you are obsessed, everything is about race according to you, what a strange world you live in..

Vintage wrote:Quill you are obsessed, everything is about race according to you, what a strange world you live in..

Isn't he?

One minute he's fine, the next thing you know and he's sliding into his special place where he can create an alternate reality.

He is creative though, I'll give him that.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

That simply didn't happen.

It didn't happen...OUTLOUD!  People in high powered positions develop two forms of language...one that they speak to the outside world, and another that expresses their interior thoughts, but they speak only to close family and associates.  (EG: Trump, speaking of "grabbing pussy".)

We know that Harry was questioned about the pigmentation of his expected child's skin...in a what if?? fashion.  We don't know who the questioner was, but we do know that it was part of the conversation.  Imagine if you were in that conversation, and it was said to you, about your child, who will forever be inextricably your own flesh and blood...wouldn't you want to disassociate from that company?

It bespeaks a group, or family that thinks in those ways...ways that are ugly and cruel.  My wife was from south of New Orleans, and I heard that kind of ugly-speak from certain relatives all the time and it disgusted me.  And I am not even black...Harry is married to his wife for life, and his child will be his child for life...and this is the way his family/associates think of him.  I would be like...Good-bye!  

She was well recieved by the majority of the public, the royal family, especially the queen welcomed her, and she received a lot of good press.

They said on Oprah, that ONE member of the royal family had wondered how dark the baby would be.
This was a coversation Harry apparently hàd with this 'unnamed' person.....which makes me wonder,
Surely if that was said to Harry not her, could a husband not deal with the remark himself without involving his wife...especially as at this time she said she felt suicidal.

Syl wrote:They said on Oprah, that ONE member of the royal family had wondered how dark the baby would be.

This was a coversation Harry apparently hàd with this 'unnamed' person.....which makes me wonder,
Surely if that was said to Harry not her, could a husband not deal with the remark himself without involving his wife...especially  as at this time she said she  felt suicidal.

You want secrets to be withheld by a husband from his wife? That's a little sketchy...not conducive to a solid marriage. Sounds like Charles, runnin' around on the back streets.

I mean, if what you say is true, this is pretty catastrophic. This is the message to Harry: someone in the family thinks that he married a lesser human being, a negress, and a descendant from a former slave. Now, you can either turn on your wife, or you can confide completely in her. Tough question.

Harry knew of Meg's black heritage. He married her anyway. If his family wants him to realize the mistake of his ways, well that would be a pretty piss-poor example of a man. Makes me wonder all the more about the morals of that family...and Germans in general. They spawned Hitler, and now this.

Maddog wrote:

That vid isn't available here Maddog.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:They said on Oprah, that ONE member of the royal family had wondered how dark the baby would be.

This was a coversation Harry apparently hàd with this 'unnamed' person.....which makes me wonder,
Surely if that was said to Harry not her, could a husband not deal with the remark himself without involving his wife...especially  as at this time she said she  felt suicidal.

You want secrets to be withheld by a husband from his wife?  That's a little sketchy...not conducive to a solid marriage.  Sounds like Charles, runnin' around on the back streets.

I mean, if what you say is true, this is pretty catastrophic.  This is the message to Harry: someone in the family thinks that he married a lesser human being, a negress, and a descendant from a former slave.  Now, you can either turn on your wife, or you can confide completely in her.  Tough question.

Harry knew of Meg's black heritage.  He married her anyway.  If his family wants him to realize the mistake of his ways, well that would be a pretty piss-poor example of a man.  Makes me wonder all the more about the morals of that family...and Germans in general.  They spawned Hitler, and now this.  

It would not have been withholding a secret, it would have meant he dealt with the matter there and then without worrying his wife, who by her own admission felt suicidal....protecting a loved one is not the same as keeping secrets.

Give it a rest Quill you are just baiting.

Just as an afterthought, if someone called a dear member of your family a'fat old cow' or similar, would you run back and tell them, especially if that person had a weight problem....why hurt them because one person was nasty?

Meghan obviously has a problem with thinking everything is about 'her colour....surely most people with a brain would simply deal with the matter, not run back home repeating the conversation.

Vintage wrote:Give it a rest Quill you are just baiting.

He obviously is, but I have 10 minutes to spare so don't mind replying.

It gets a bit much when a denizen of a country that got their knickers in a twist about someone disrespecting the core of their political way of life and culture but feels free to denigrate another's, especially when neither seem to actually know what they are talking about, although one did admit that, the other pretends to know more than people actually living with the system.

Vintage wrote:Give it a rest Quill you are just baiting.

I don't mean to be. Perhaps the Hitler comment is a bit over the top, but I've never been fond of German monarchs/leaders anyway. I don't see why you Brits fall in line with that mentality, just because of an accidental union of Stuart and Hanover dynasties. Y'all are better than that.

I believe the antipathy toward Harry and Meg is born of a desire to be loyal the royals, and a bit of otherism toward tainting the royal line with an African princess. Here in America we've lived through that, and I've no patience for it. If I can play dynastic engineer for a moment, I think y'all made a much greater mistake mixing the royal line with Germans...which is where y'all got that extreme nativism in the first place.

But it all doesn't matter. See, Harry and Meg have already pulled off the separation, and any participation in royal doings for them is gratuitous. If you've got problems with that, don't invite them...they are fully accepted, and they've got great friends in Santa Barbara.

So then why are they both publicly spilling their guts out about how badly they have been treated every chance they get?

She hardly an African Princess she has so called black and white in her ethnicity and uses which ever gets the most advantage for her. They could have had such an impact on events. People were welcoming, the family was welcoming then the games started people don't like to be taken for fools, they see through it, Harry and Meghan were called out on it and they didn't like it so left and now have almost continuous tantrums.

Syl wrote:So then why are they both publicly spilling their guts out about how badly they have been treated every chance they get?

As I've said above, it's the British thirst for gossip, not the couple's desire to offer anything gratuitously. An aggressive press will print anything, unless the subject takes control. Even then, the press presents each bit of information in a frame that sensationalizes an item, in the hopes of maximizing profits.

That said, personally I still stand by a free press. The way to counter lies and missteps of perception, is to speak up, and counter all falsehoods with truth. The process is self-correcting. The listening public, after hearing both/all sides, makes the final decision. That is the way of democracy.

Vintage wrote:She hardly an African Princess she has so called black and white in her ethnicity and uses which ever gets the most advantage for her. They could have had such an impact on events. People were welcoming, the family was welcoming then the games started people don't like to be taken for fools, they see through it, Harry and Meghan were called out on it and they didn't like it so left and now have almost continuous tantrums.

I'm paraphrasing the German/royal viewpoint, not the viewpoint as I see it. I speak of "negress" and "African princess" as the royal family might use the terms - as Harry might confront them - not as I would use them.

As to your other point, the English are welcoming; the German's not so much. It was from the German/royal side that Harry heard the concern for the child's skin color, and perhaps other aspersions.

The British people are wonderful and welcoming, as you say. Diana was wonderful; the Queen Mum was wonderful. The difficulty is within a narrow pocket, right where poor Harry lives and must hear such racial epithets/viewpoints.

Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

Original Quill wrote:

Vintage wrote:She hardly an African Princess she has so called black and white in her ethnicity and uses which ever gets the most advantage for her. They could have had such an impact on events. People were welcoming, the family was welcoming then the games started people don't like to be taken for fools, they see through it, Harry and Meghan were called out on it and they didn't like it so  left and now have almost continuous tantrums.  

I'm paraphrasing the German/royal viewpoint, not the viewpoint as I see it.  I speak of "negress" and "African princess" as the royal family might use the terms - as Harry might confront them - not as I would use them.

As to your other point, the English are welcoming; the German's not so much.  It was from the German/royal side that Harry heard the concern for the child's skin color, and perhaps other aspersions.

The British people are wonderful and welcoming, as you say.  Diana was wonderful; the Queen Mum was wonderful.  The difficulty is within a narrow pocket, right where poor Harry lives and must hear such racial epithets/viewpoints.

I didn't know you knew the Royal Family so intimately.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote: Andrew comes across as a pompous, weak man and a proven liar....whether he is a pervert is unclear.

Diana was a warm and loving mother, maybe if she hadn't been killed at such a crucial time in a young boys life Harry wouldn't have been so easily swayed by Meghan, who really does seem to be acting in her own interests rather than his.

Speaking of Meghan,  she has tried to manipulate the press and public by repeating a lot of what Diana spoke about, her isolation, her thoughts of suicide whilst pregnant, the way the royal family ignored her pleas for help etc etc....
But Diana was alone, no husband by her side, no mother to turn to, no real friends by all accounts, Meghan has all of these, her situation has always been very different to Diana's.

I don't see anything you say about Meghan in her actions or personality.  She is an average person, nothing spectacular, and nothing dull. She seems a normal person, going about her own business.

Nor do I see the weakness in Harry that certain Brits seem to seek.  Frankly, I think those people are willing to sacrifice Harry in order to make Meg out to be a manipulative villain.

But, as I say, none of it is important.  It’s just an average sitcom, and much ado about nothing.  Haha…if they were in politics, now that would be something else.  

Harry's done his share of racist carryings on. The kind of thing most people would get the sack for these days. What 36 year old man bleats in public about being cut off from the bank of dad while sitting on millions from his mother's estate? What grown man would sink to publicly blackguarding his grandmother and father days after his grandfather died? If that isn't acting like a weak, snivelling coward, and Harry really is the man who excelled as an army officer, set up a leading charity and always had his big brother's back, then who else is feeding him the bullets to fire?

Meghan has already led the way in cutting her father out of her life. He's clearly an embarrassment and has served his purpose. So it's sans fait rien.
She sent her first husband the wedding and engagement ring she no longer wanted back to him in the post rather than having the compassion and integrity to tell him to his face. He was broken. She claimed the split 'empowered' her. I've met people like her...they move through life using people up, taking what they want regardless of how they get it and end up being very successful. It wouldn't surprise me at all if ten years' down the line, she gets bored with Haz, chews him up, spits him out and moves onto the next main chance. The King is dead, long live the King.

eddie wrote:Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

I would never, ever demean my family in public like he has no matter how aggrieved I felt. I've got more fucking class

Original Quill wrote:

Vintage wrote:She hardly an African Princess she has so called black and white in her ethnicity and uses which ever gets the most advantage for her. They could have had such an impact on events. People were welcoming, the family was welcoming then the games started people don't like to be taken for fools, they see through it, Harry and Meghan were called out on it and they didn't like it so  left and now have almost continuous tantrums.  

I'm paraphrasing the German/royal viewpoint, not the viewpoint as I see it.  I speak of "negress" and "African princess" as the royal family might use the terms - as Harry might confront them - not as I would use them.

As to your other point, the English are welcoming; the German's not so much.  It was from the German/royal side that Harry heard the concern for the child's skin color, and perhaps other aspersions.

The British people are wonderful and welcoming, as you say.  Diana was wonderful; the Queen Mum was wonderful.  The difficulty is within a narrow pocket, right where poor Harry lives and must hear such racial epithets/viewpoints.

You don't half talk some shite.

eddie wrote:Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

Its hardly just whinging though is it, do you talk to all and sundry about problems in your family?
If they wanted out they had chances before the marriage, if they thought they could do it but then decided not, fine, people would admire them if they went out and did their own thing. The problem is they want the support - money - without doing the job and want to use their connections. Many Royals work, they are self supporting and don't use their titles. People they work with and for may know who they are and it may have some kudos for their employers in those circles. The lies, omissions and fancy footwork with the truth hasn't helped either.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

I would never, ever demean my family in public like he has no matter how aggrieved I felt.  I've got more fucking class

Well I wouldn’t say it’s about class, necessarily. I’m just finding it a little hard to judge two people that I don’t know at all. Just because some people are open about their grievances doesn’t mean they should be thought of as less. Perhaps it’s refreshing to some of us that people choose to bluntly speak out. I don’t know whether Harry is making much ado about nothing or if he really does feel hurt, angry and aggrieved. None of us do.
I do know this much, there’s got to be some truth in what he says, he didn’t just make it all up.

Its his 'truth' it isn't always the truth, you may feel hard done by but that's in your head doesn't mean you have been hard done by and why is his story changing all the time.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

I would never, ever demean my family in public like he has no matter how aggrieved I felt.  I've got more fucking class

Your family isn't the royal family. The press hounds the Mountbatten-Windsor's.

Vintage wrote:Its his 'truth' it isn't always the truth, you may feel hard done by but that's in your head doesn't mean you have been hard done by and why is his story changing all the time.

That is very true. But when it’s our own personal topic we only have our own truths, don’t we?

Vintage wrote:Its his 'truth' it isn't always the truth, you may feel hard done by but that's in your head doesn't mean you have been hard done by and why is his story changing all the time.

Proof?

I believe Harry because that sort of abuse runs in the family. While I'm sure the Queen was always tactful and right-thinking, Phillip, Charles and Andrew have a history of gaffs over the years, sufficient to convince me of Harry's side this time around.

I'm not adamant that my interpretation of a situation is always 100& accurate. People make mistakes when people say something to them they misinterpret if they don't make sure of what's said or happening in family situations. For instance, not one person I know who is in a 'mixed' marriage thinks questioning what a child will look like is strange or racist neither, do the same ethnicity families, everybody wonders and asks what a child may look like, dad's family, mam's family or a bit of both. Harry obviously has issues with things but I don't think they were so large in his life before Meghan. He was quoted as saying his time in the military were the best years, now suddenly those same years age wise were his most traumatic, someone needs to take notes with the stories.

Vintage wrote:Harry obviously has issues with things...

I have never seen, nor heard of issues with Harry's character. He has always been a fine boy, raised by a magnificent, well-mannered English mother.

The Mountbatten's are another matter.

eddie wrote:Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

Yes everyone likes a whinge now and again, but going on TV, whinging in front of millions, stabbing your own family in the back....that's more than a whinge.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:Has anyone really, actually considered the fact that they are just doing what they want to do and are happy? So they whinge! Doesn’t everyone? They are human beings and perhaps a little spoiled, but why are we hating them for just doing what they want?

Yes everyone likes a whinge now and again, but going on TV, whinging in front of millions, stabbing your own family in the back....that's more than a whinge.

But that’s my point though, why is that so wrong? Is it because they’re royals or the fact that a man whinged about his family in front of millions?