Should we all have to carry a Covid vaccination passport in the future?

by Syl Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

I would be all for it.

by Original Quill Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:That's discrimination and illegal.

Nonsense. There is legal discrimination all the time. You discriminate when you choose whom to marry, whom to be your best friend, or whom to be your physician. In order for it to be illegal, a type of discrimination has to be specifically made illegal, by a specific law.

Here, there is not even anything required of you. The effect of not being vaccinated may be that you are denied entry to another country. That's up to them. Sue them, if you like. Should we all have to carry a Covid vaccination passport in the future? - Page 4 2190311264

Should we all have to carry a Covid vaccination passport in the future? - Page 4 2190311264

by Maddog Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:07 pm

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Governments have all sorts of ways to force people to do things eh?

From what I can tell, the UK government isn't making any decisions yet, it's too early.
But....if entry into certain places is to be excluding people who have refused the jab, that isn't down to the government.

Who's making the requirement for the vaccine in order to move about freely?

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:29 pm

Andy wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

That's discrimination and illegal.

Even the vaccines are not 100% effective, so everyone is still a potential risk... So let's ban everyone from everywhere...

You are an abject idiot.
Go check out the law,ffs.
Private citizens do NOT have right of entry into private premises.
You are allowed in by implied invitation from the owner or store/pub manager.
They can refuse entry for all sorts of reasons, and they are perfectly within their rights to turn away anyone they think may be detrimental to the shop or pub.
And that includes anyone that cannot prove are not carrying a pandemic virus.

Think you need to educate yourself what the law actually says before you go spouting nonsense...

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services1/discrimination-in-goods-and-services-overview/

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:36 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

That's discrimination and illegal.

Even the vaccines are not 100% effective, so everyone is still a potential risk... So let's ban everyone from everywhere...

It is discrimination you are right, but in this case it's not a bad thing. It's not illegal though, and NO vaccine is 100% effective.

See my above answer to cry baby...

And, as no vaccine is a guarantee to anyone being risk free... Surely everyone should still be considered as being a possible risk/danger to others... So therefore everyone should be banned from everywhere...???

by Guest Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:05 pm

funny thing about the Law if it cant get you one way it gets you the other

The Law

The main piece of legislation that applies to infections at work is The Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations 2002 (COSHH)

Micro-organisms are covered in COSHH by the term biological agents. These are defined as any micro-organism, cell culture, prion or human endoparasite whether or not genetically modified which may cause infection, allergy, toxicity or otherwise create a hazard to human health. The general requirements of COSHH, ie risk assessment and prevention or control of exposure will apply to most workplaces. But there are also additional requirements for work with micro-organisms, in laboratories, animal rooms, and industrial processes, contained in Schedule 3 of the main regulations.

COSHH also makes reference to the Approved List of biological agents (PDF) . The list classifies biological agents into one of four hazard groups (with HG4 being the most hazardous, eg Ebola virus) according to the risk of infection to a healthy worker. This provides the basis for laboratory work with the organisms by indicating what kind of containment and control measures should be in place in the laboratory. The list may also help other non-laboratory occupations in assessing risks by indicating the severity of disease associated with a particular biological agent.

The Approved List is not exhaustive, and if a biological agent is not included it should NOT automatically be classified as hazard group 1. The appropriate classification of the agent must be determined by a local risk assessment using relevant factors as described in regulation 6 of COSHH.

There is also other health and safety legislation covering specific micro-organisms:

The Genetically Modified Organisms (Contained Use) Regulations 2000 - these are concerned with the protection of peoples health and the environment from risks associated with the contained use of genetically modified organisms.
The Notification of Cooling Towers and Evaporative Condensers Regulations 1992 - these are concerned with the control of legionella bacteria and require notification to local authorities of installations of wet cooling towers and evaporative condensers (usually part of air-conditioning systems).
The Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations 2004 - these are concerned with the protection of everyone involved (directly or indirectly) in transporting dangerous goods including infectious micro-organisms.

Other Government Departments/Bodies also deal with risks from micro-organisms. They include:

Department of Health - infectious diseases/public health/immunisation/hospital acquired infection/ACDP
Food Standards Agency - food hygiene/food poisoning (food law largely enforced by environmental health officers)
Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs - zoonoses, animal diseases.

So on a Health and safety stand point they can ban you from anywhere any time

by Guest Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:09 pm

Immunisation

In the COSHH hierarchy of control measures, immunisation as protection against infection at work is the last line of defence and other controls should be available. However, for workers potentially exposed to blood-borne viruses, such as healthcare and biomedical laboratory staff, immunisation is an appropriate additional measure.

In simple terms, this approach uses the following principles, and in the following order of consideration:

Under COSHH requirements:

If a risk assessment shows that there is a risk of exposure to biological agents, and effective vaccines exist, then provision should be made to determine whether an employee is already immunised, and immunisation should be offered to those not already immunised. The pros and cons of immunisation/non-immunisation should be explained when offering immunisation to the worker at risk.
Under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act, employers must pay for protective measures such as immunisation. Where practical, this is likely to be provided through the company occupational health provider. Alternatively, the employee could be asked to arrange immunisation through their own GP, but the employer must make alternative arrangements if this cannot be done, and reimburse any charges made to the employee for such arrangements.

As with all control measures, immunisation needs to be checked and reviewed and boosters provided where deemed necessary.
Department of Health Green Book immunisation guidance

Final decisions on immunisation should be made on the basis of a local risk assessment. In settings where the workplace task is likely to lead to significant exposures on a regular basis (eg biting), the DH Green Book indicates that it would be prudent to offer immunisation to staff even in the absence of documented HBV transmission.

A safe and effective vaccine for the prevention of hepatitis B infection is available, and any requirement for it will be determined as part of the risk assessment described previously. Further details are available from the DH Green Book.

Pre-exposure immunisation against HBV is strongly advised for all workers who may be exposed to blood, body fluids or tissues as part of their work activity. Within the Green Book, the UK Department of Health identifies those workers who are at increased risk, and recommends immunisation.

Advice on schedules for vaccine administration, assessment of response to immunisation, management of non - and sub-optimal responders to vaccine, and the requirement for booster doses is also provided in the DH Green Book.

There are currently no vaccines available against hepatitis C or HIV, although there are measures that can be taken following exposure, which may prevent the development of infection, see: Incidents in the workplace.
Employer responsibilities

The risks from exposure to BBV must be assessed under COSHH Regulations, and appropriate measures to protect workers and others from infection risks must be implemented. The provision of routine pre-exposure immunisation may be appropriate in certain cases, eg in exposure prone occupations, for those not already immune. Employers need to be able to demonstrate that an effective employee immunisation programme is in place, and they have an obligation to arrange and pay for this service. It is acknowledged that some exposure prone workers may choose not to have the immunisation.

Health and safety law requires that employees shall not be charged for vaccines offered as means of protecting them at work. In providing vaccines, employers should ensure that employees are made aware of the advantages and disadvantages of immunisation and its limitations. Occupational health records should be kept updated of any immunisation course(s) undertaken. Employees are at liberty to refuse immunisation, but any refusal should be considered as part of the risk assessment.

Additional controls may still be necessary, particularly since immunisation is currently only effective against HBV, and should therefore be considered as part of the risk assessment of work assigned to the individual. Any exposure-prone workshould only be undertaken when all work activities and their potential for BBV exposure have been assessed in this way, and the necessary controls are in place.

Under the COSHH regulations, individual workers have the right to know whether or not they have been protected by immunisation and their employers need to know if the vaccine has been effective following it. Consideration is required of how information on immunisation is communicated to managers, while maintaining medical confidentiality for the individual.

The Association of NHS Physicians (ANHOPS) has considered this issue. Their guidance on the immunisation of healthcare staff states that individual consent should be obtained from each health worker, to allow transference of their immunisation status - or protection/not protected status - to deploying managers. With such information available to them, the deploying manager can also be made aware when immunisation reviews are necessary (eg booster dose of Hepatitis B vaccine). It is important to note that, in addition to immunisation, the COSHH regulations require that other control measures are put in place to prevent and control exposure to BBV for those workers involved in exposure-prone procedures, as described previously

by Original Quill Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:01 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

From what I can tell, the UK government isn't making any decisions yet, it's too early.
But....if entry into certain places is to be excluding people who have refused the jab, that isn't down to the government.
Who's making the requirement for the vaccine in order to move about freely?

There is no question of a requirement of vaccination. As I understand the basic question of the thread, it's that there might be a requirement that passports inform if someone has been vaccinated. That's not a burden except insofar as a receiving country might refuse one entry.

It so, take it up with them.

by Syl Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

It is discrimination you are right, but in this case it's not a bad thing. It's not illegal though, and NO vaccine is 100% effective.

See my above answer to cry baby...

And, as no vaccine is a guarantee to anyone being risk free... Surely everyone should still be considered as being a possible risk/danger to others... So therefore everyone should be banned from everywhere...???

Tommy, everything has a possible risk, getting up in the morning, crossing the road, taking an asprin, having a vaccination carries a risk, but it's a lot less of a risk than catching coronavirus.
It's now proven that having the vaccination not only protects yourself, it considerably lessens spreading the infection.

Look at your own link.....it lists what is classed as 'unlawful discrimination'. Refusing entry for the unvaccinated is definately not on that list.

by Syl Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:35 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Who's making the requirement for the vaccine in order to move about freely?

There is no question of a requirement of vaccination. As I understand the basic question of the thread, it's that there might be a requirement that passports inform if someone has been vaccinated. That's not a burden except insofar as a receiving country might refuse one entry.

It so, take it up with them.

I dont think it's clear yet exactly which countries will require a vaccination passport, and till travel is more avaiable, and till vaccination programmes are completed, I dont think it will happen.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:54 am

Lots of things not on the list... Doesn't make it ok to discriminate against people for any of those either...

by Syl Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:01 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Lots of things not on the list... Doesn't make it ok to discriminate against people for any of those either...

And it doesn't make it OK to refuse a vaccination for a deadly disease that in one year has killed almost 130,000 in the UK.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:51 am

I don't need a vaccine for a virus that my immune system has already beaten over a year ago... And that has protected me from getting again since...

by Eilzel Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:00 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

That's discrimination and illegal.

Even the vaccines are not 100% effective, so everyone is still a potential risk... So let's ban everyone from everywhere...

If you declared yourself a nudist and started walking about everywhere naked, you'd be denied entry to most places. If there is a public safety/decency reason for places not to allow you to enter somewhere. Neither case is discrimination.

Vaccine requirements would be an extension of that.

by Syl Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:48 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

I don't need a vaccine for a virus that my immune system has already beaten over a year ago... And that has protected me from getting again since...

How long do you think immunity lasts even if you did have the virus?

Booster jabs are already being prepared for people to have in the late Autumn Neither the vaccination nor the fact that one has already had the virus provide long term protection, nor protection from the different variants that will inevitably happen.

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:21 pm

Syl wrote:How long do you think immunity lasts even if you did have the virus?

Booster jabs are already being prepared for people to have in the late Autumn Neither the vaccination nor the fact that one has already had the virus provide long term protection, nor protection from the different variants that will inevitably happen.

I had a really bad cold/flu last year and was in bed for a couple of days really thought i had caught it but after a few days i was fine
Testing wasn't that wide spread then but the ONS where runiing a study and for participation you received a voucher £50 for the first test blood and swabs then £25 for voucher for every test there after just swabs ,
so we signed up and where tested every week to start with then every two weeks
As it turns out i had not had covid as i had no Virus or antibody's in my system and so far (well till last week when i had the jab) i have never had the virus
i was able to buy the wife a food ninja (her request, they are great by the way) with the money we made taking part in the study and now i am saving up for a new graphics card :-)
it must be great having a medical degree and or access to a laboratory to say with certainty you have had the virus

by Maddog Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Lots of things not on the list... Doesn't make it ok to discriminate against people for any of those either...

It.is a form of discrimination, but we already do that for a lot of things and it's perfectly legal.

A better word to describe it would be authoritarian.

by Original Quill Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I don't need a vaccine for a virus that my immune system has already beaten over a year ago... And that has protected me from getting again since...

And mutations? Each year we go and get a vaccination for a new variant of the flu. Not to compare the covid virus with a lightweight infection like the flu, but it follows the same genetic pattern.

Mutations occur with annual frequency, sufficiently different to require a new inoculation. Natural selection shapes viruses. Though viruses aren’t technically living—they need a host organism in order to reproduce—they are subject to evolutionary pressures. Their habitat, we humans, poses hostilities that threaten them. One of the factors that makes the habitat hostile for viruses is our expertise in developing vaccines.

The human immune system uses a number of tactics to fight pathogens. The pathogen’s job is to evade the immune system, create more copies of itself, and spread to other hosts. Characteristics that help a virus do its job tend to be kept from one generation to another. Characteristics that make it difficult for the virus to spread to another host tend to be lost. The development of vaccines enhances, and speeds up the immune system in its job.

Along comes tommy, who refuses to keep up with this vicious cycle. Tommy, you constitute a habitat that the virus loves. Without using your natural defense system—our brains, and the science surrounding our knowledge of viruses—you become fertile soil for the virus to grow, and pass on to other habitats (human beings) of the virus.

You, and all humans who refuse to combat this virus—whether by refusing face masks, social distancing and/or rejecting vaccinations—constitute the Mata Hari’s amongst us. You help the enemy.

by Andy Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:44 pm

Tommy has mutuated and evolved backwards from Homo Sapien.
His a candidate for succumbing to a severe variant of the virus, which are being discovered almost on a daily basis, and some are proving to be particularly hostile.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:26 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I don't need a vaccine for a virus that my immune system has already beaten over a year ago... And that has protected me from getting again since...

How long do you think immunity lasts even if you did have the virus?

Booster jabs are already being prepared for people to have in the late Autumn Neither the vaccination nor the fact that one has already had the virus provide long term protection, nor protection from the different variants that will inevitably happen.

The booster jabs to be rolled out in the autumn, are for vulnerable groups and designed to try to protect from variants that they may not already have good protection from...

But, as I've said before, my immune system has already fought off this new virus... Now it's seen it, it is better prepared if it sees it again...

And, not everybody gets antibodies by fighting off the virus... The body's T cells can do the job thus no antibodies.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:33 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I don't need a vaccine for a virus that my immune system has already beaten over a year ago... And that has protected me from getting again since...

And mutations? Each year we go and get a vaccination for a new variant of the flu. Not to compare the covid virus with a lightweight infection like the flu, but it follows the same genetic pattern.

Mutations occur with annual frequency, sufficiently different to require a new inoculation. Natural selection shapes viruses. Though viruses aren’t technically living—they need a host organism in order to reproduce—they are subject to evolutionary pressures. Their habitat, we humans, poses hostilities that threaten them. One of the factors that makes the habitat hostile for viruses is our expertise in developing vaccines.

The human immune system uses a number of tactics to fight pathogens. The pathogen’s job is to evade the immune system, create more copies of itself, and spread to other hosts. Characteristics that help a virus do its job tend to be kept from one generation to another. Characteristics that make it difficult for the virus to spread to another host tend to be lost. The development of vaccines enhances, and speeds up the immune system in its job.

Along comes tommy, who refuses to keep up with this vicious cycle. Tommy, you constitute a habitat that the virus loves. Without using your natural defense system—our brains, and the science surrounding our knowledge of viruses—you become fertile soil for the virus to grow, and pass on to other habitats (human beings) of the virus.

You, and all humans who refuse to combat this virus—whether by refusing face masks, social distancing and/or rejecting vaccinations—constitute the Mata Hari’s amongst us. You help the enemy.

Wrong... Lots of people in vulnerable groups get a flu vaccine but many of them don't, and everybody else doesn't get it either... And it is designed every year to only offer some protection against one or two of the strains that the scientists/developers think are going to be prevalent each year... There are dozens of strains of flu that could be going around every year.

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:16 pm

In their study of blood drawn from 285 people hospitalized with severe COVID-19, researchers in China, led by Ai-Long Huang, Chongqing Medical University, found that all had developed SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies within two to three weeks of their first symptoms. Although more follow-up work is needed to determine just how protective these antibodies are and for how long, these findings suggest that the immune systems of people who survive COVID-19 have been be primed to recognize SARS-CoV-2 and possibly thwart a second infection.

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/05/07/study-finds-nearly-everyone-who-recovers-from-covid-19-makes-coronavirus-antibodies/

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:20 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I don't need a vaccine for a virus that my immune system has already beaten over a year ago... And that has protected me from getting again since...

And mutations? Each year we go and get a vaccination for a new variant of the flu. Not to compare the covid virus with a lightweight infection like the flu, but it follows the same genetic pattern.

Mutations occur with annual frequency, sufficiently different to require a new inoculation. Natural selection shapes viruses. Though viruses aren’t technically living—they need a host organism in order to reproduce—they are subject to evolutionary pressures. Their habitat, we humans, poses hostilities that threaten them. One of the factors that makes the habitat hostile for viruses is our expertise in developing vaccines.

The human immune system uses a number of tactics to fight pathogens. The pathogen’s job is to evade the immune system, create more copies of itself, and spread to other hosts. Characteristics that help a virus do its job tend to be kept from one generation to another. Characteristics that make it difficult for the virus to spread to another host tend to be lost. The development of vaccines enhances, and speeds up the immune system in its job.

Along comes tommy, who refuses to keep up with this vicious cycle. Tommy, you constitute a habitat that the virus loves. Without using your natural defense system—our brains, and the science surrounding our knowledge of viruses—you become fertile soil for the virus to grow, and pass on to other habitats (human beings) of the virus.

You, and all humans who refuse to combat this virus—whether by refusing face masks, social distancing and/or rejecting vaccinations—constitute the Mata Hari’s amongst us. You help the enemy.

Stupidity and Dr fucking googly strikes again...pity they is no known vaccine for that

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:37 pm

https://www.immunology.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-immunology-literature-reviews/robust-t-cell-immunity-in-convalescent-individuals-with-asymptomatic-or-mild-covid-19

T cells detected but no antibodies after covid infection.

by Andy Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:53 pm

Korben, you are forgetting that Monkey is the most highly qualified scientist in the world, let alone in the UK or this little forum.
He knows more about man made climate change than every world renowned Professor of Climatology.
He also knows more about Covid-19 and it variant strains than every world leading Professors of Virology.
He is so great that he even diagnosed that he had the virus without having Covid test.
Professor Brian Cox, and the WHO , I bet you are very jealous of our very own mastermind.
Tom is also the world leader in the science of Bovine defacation and excrement.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

https://www.immunology.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-immunology-literature-reviews/robust-t-cell-immunity-in-convalescent-individuals-with-asymptomatic-or-mild-covid-19

T cells detected but no antibodies after covid infection.

Posted again for the cry baby who has nothing better to do than make stupid posts about me... And then run crying to Uncle Benny when I post something about him in retaliation...

by Syl Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:01 pm

Andy wrote:Korben, you are forgetting that Monkey is the most highly qualified scientist in the world, let alone in the UK or this little forum.
He knows more about man made climate change than every world renowned Professor of Climatology.
He also knows more about Covid-19 and it variant strains than every world leading Professors of Virology.
He is so great that he even diagnosed that he had the virus without having Covid test.
Professor Brian Cox, and the WHO , I bet you are very jealous of our very own mastermind.
Tom is also the world leader in the science of Bovine defacation and excrement.

Can't you keep the thread about the topic instead of about another poster...for once?

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:19 pm

Andy wrote:Korben, you are forgetting that Monkey is the most highly qualified scientist in the world, let alone in the UK or this little forum.
He knows more about man made climate change than every world renowned Professor of Climatology.
He also knows more about Covid-19 and it variant strains than every world leading Professors of Virology.
He is so great that he even diagnosed that he had the virus without having Covid test.
Professor Brian Cox, and the WHO , I bet you are very jealous of our very own mastermind.
Tom is also the world leader in the science of Bovine defacation and excrement.

I don't like him,i don't like him one bit he knows that he doesn't like me ether . his views on climate change are bullshit his views on immigration and refugees are hatefull and myopic

But that said his link is quite clear and accurate i read it twice to see if he had left something out or drawn the wrong conclusion or misrepresented a key fact

But he hasn't

some people do not seem to develop antibodys but have T cell "immunity" after infection

whether on not he did have the virus and not some other similar infection and has falsely attributed one with the other i can not know (i dont think he can truly ether without a test

But his facts are solid based on reputable research to date

when he is wrong i will says so repetitively and with passion
but when i think he is right i will say so as well
because i want to be fair even though i don't like him at all

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:09 pm

Very 'fair' of you korben... But I can't think of anything that I've posted that you have ever proved to be wrong...

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Very 'fair' of you korben... But I can't think of anything that I've posted that you have ever proved to be wrong...

See that's the difference between me and you, when i am wrong I will admit it when you are wrong you wont ever admit it
its pathological with you and i refer perhaps mostly to global warming
i have and many many others posted many facts and conclusions of experts in the field,screeds of data that say you are wrong
from the little ice age and the medieval warming period to co2 levels as i said you have two strings in your bow and that comment lead to you insulting me and my intelligence,because that's what you do, respond with aggression and insults to everybody that disagrees with you on basically any subject
thats why it is not worth discussing that subject with you because you will look up any kook opinion that seems to agree with you regardless of the overwhelming evidence human acceleration or global warming is a fact that 100% of actual scientists in the field agree with that and all the data supports it
i spent 2 years of study with the OU on this very subject and while i am in no way a expert, compared to your denial-ism including misrepresenting evidence, false equivalence, half-truths, and outright fabrication i am way above your understanding of a very complicated subject
So when you say " I can't think of anything that I've posted that you have ever proved to be wrong" you are simply not thinking hard enough and ignoring every thing that says you are wrong
i would also ad putting Fair in quotes supports the above assessment you cant help it

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:15 pm

I would also add you are still on ignore but as i see you comments when other reply ignoring you is hard ....but i will try harder

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:39 pm

I don't deny climate change... The climate is always changing, fluctuating, over 100s 1000s and 10s of 1000s of years...

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I don't deny climate change... The climate is always changing, fluctuating, over 100s 1000s and 10s of 1000s of years...

The human caused acceleration or global warming.... you do. That its a real and present danger ...you do

re your above reply see false equivalence

by Guest Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:05 pm

you live in the uk do you have sky ? they are starting a whole segement on this.....oh wait let me guess sky are bullshit as well

I bet am like nostradamus when it comes to your reply

Ether way thanks for playing

i find answering you some what icky so of for a shower and i don't feel i need to respond further on this subject

even a broken clock is right once a day

by Maddog Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:03 pm

https://babylonbee.com/news/for-convenience-vaccine-passport-can-now-be-tattooed-on-your-hand-or-forehead

by Syl Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:31 pm

I actually wouldn't mind a small confirmation tattoo on the wrist to prove I had had the vaccination.
It would transport me back to my clubbing days when the bouncer would stamp your hand if you wanted to leave for a break and re-enter later. Twisted Evil

by Maddog Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:32 pm

Syl wrote:I actually wouldn't mind a small confirmation tattoo on the wrist to prove I had had the vaccination.
It would transport me back to my clubbing days when the bouncer would stamp your hand if you wanted to leave for a break and re-enter later.

Could be one for VD and aids too.

by Tommy Monk Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:32 pm

Korben wrote:you live in the uk do you have sky ? they are starting a whole segement on this.....oh wait let me guess sky are bullshit as well

I bet am like nostradamus when it comes to your reply

Ether way thanks for playing

i find answering you some what icky so of for a shower and i don't feel i need to respond further on this subject

even a broken clock is right once a day

Goebbels's description If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.

The truth is that the climate is always changing... the data from Vostok ice core goes back hundreds of thousands of years and shows warmer periods and cooler periods... It also shows regular ice ages occurring every 100,000 years or so... And that we're due for the start of another one soon if this cycle carries on...

And...

"...People might be surprised to see how today's frigid Greenland looked during the last two interglacial periods. Today, northwest Greenland hovers in the 30s and low 40s Fahrenheit and weathers snowstorms in summer. But average summer temperatures in the early Holocene (8,000 to 11,000 years ago) and Last Interglacial (116,000 to 130,000 years ago) climbed well into the 50s..."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180604151150.htm

But don't let the truth get in the way of a repeated lie...

by Tommy Monk Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:34 pm

Maddog wrote:https://babylonbee.com/news/for-convenience-vaccine-passport-can-now-be-tattooed-on-your-hand-or-forehead

by Syl Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:40 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:I actually wouldn't mind a small confirmation tattoo on the wrist to prove I had had the vaccination.
It would transport me back to my clubbing days when the bouncer would stamp your hand if you wanted to leave for a break and re-enter later.

Could be one for VD and aids too.

Why, do some countries ban entry for people who have STD's? Shocked

by Tommy Monk Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:48 pm

If we had a testing system to stop immigrants coming here with HIV AIDS and other diseases like sickle cell and TB etc, then it would save our NHS a fortune that could be spent on improving the system for the British people here... And would have protected the UK people from catching things too... (yes I know sickle cell is not contagious)...

"...The lifetime cost for treating one HIV infection in the UK is almost £380,000, ..."

by Syl Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

If we had a testing system to stop immigrants coming here with HIV AIDS and other diseases like sickle cell and TB etc, then it would save our NHS a fortune that could be spent on improving the system for the British people here... And would have protected the UK people from catching things too... (yes I know sickle cell is not contagious)...

"...The lifetime cost for treating one HIV infection in the UK is almost £380,000, ..."

Hmmm, at the moment the Kent (that's Kent in England) variant of Covid is causing havoc in other countries Tommy.....so it's not all one sided.

by Maddog Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:00 pm

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Could be one for VD and aids too.

Why, do some countries ban entry for people who have STD's?

Beats me?

by Syl Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:07 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

Why, do some countries ban entry for people who have STD's?

Beats me?

The difference between a deadly infectious disease like Covid19 and an STD is....I dont catch an STD just from standing next to someone who is infected....so I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place. Rolling Eyes

by Maddog Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:11 pm

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Beats me?

The difference between a deadly infectious disease like Covid19 and an STD is....I dont catch an STD just from standing next to someone who is infected....so I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place.

Because it would save lives if the diseased were stamped with a mark.

You trying to get folks killed?

by Syl Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:36 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

The difference between a deadly infectious disease like Covid19 and an STD is....I dont catch an STD just from standing next to someone who is infected....so I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place.

Because it would save lives if the diseased were stamped with a mark.

You trying to get folks killed?

I think you are being too rigid in your views now...the ringing of a bell would suffice surely.

by Tommy Monk Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:43 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

If we had a testing system to stop immigrants coming here with HIV AIDS and other diseases like sickle cell and TB etc, then it would save our NHS a fortune that could be spent on improving the system for the British people here... And would have protected the UK people from catching things too... (yes I know sickle cell is not contagious)...

"...The lifetime cost for treating one HIV infection in the UK is almost £380,000, ..."

Hmmm, at the moment the Kent (that's Kent in England) variant of Covid is causing havoc in other countries Tommy.....so it's not all one sided.

A variant that was probably brought into the country by a foreigner, probably lorry driver or something, and this virus that is from China anyway...

by Syl Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

Hmmm, at the moment the Kent (that's Kent in England) variant of Covid is causing havoc in other countries Tommy.....so it's not all one sided.

A variant that was probably brought into the country by a foreigner, probably lorry driver or something, and this virus that is from China anyway...

Apparently the Kent strain did actually start....in Kent.

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