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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:58 pm

Cummings just appointed Andrew Sabisky as deputy prime minister, following a recruitment drive for 'weird' candidates.
Sabisky is certainly weird.
Claims blacks have a lower IQ than whites and pubescent girls should have compulsory contraception.
Women  athletes are similar to paralympians.
He advocates eugenics. (Look it up)
He has a bucket load more bizarre policies, awaiting Prime Minister Cummings approval.
Looks like he is a bit of beserk far right winger.
Read about it here.

No 10 refuses to comment on PM's views of racial IQ

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/17/no-10-refuses-to-comment-on-pms-views-of-racial-iq?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:12 pm



https://new-iq-test.com/all-images/Articles/iq_by_country.png

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:16 pm

Do you think black people are more stupid, then?
Simple question.

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Post by Lurker on Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:50 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

https://new-iq-test.com/all-images/Articles/iq_by_country.png

Trump must have made that chart...

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:52 pm

Lurker wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

https://new-iq-test.com/all-images/Articles/iq_by_country.png

Trump must have made that chart...

Maybe the Japanese or Chinese Did?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

https://new-iq-test.com/all-images/Articles/iq_by_country.png

What is IQ, tom?  What is it composed of, and how does it assist us? Your chart doesn't even have a title, much less any information or discussion about it.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:50 pm

What is rather telling is the Daily Mail readers, not normally renowned for criticism of things alt-right, appear very worried about Cummings, Sabisky and the apparent lurch to the far side of the right wing. Many are calling this an unelected dictatorship.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8012393/Downing-Street-refuses-condemn-controversial-new-adviser.html

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:11 pm

Now resigned.
Notably, wasn't sacked.
Apparently up to 20 different sexist, racist, insulting, homophobic and downright insane  quotes over 5 years were ALL taken out of context..

http://news.sky.com/story/number-10-adviser-andrew-sabisky-quits-after-controversial-comments-unearthed-11936738

Will Tommy Monk start a campaign to reinstate him?

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:25 pm

It appears the little gobshite has resigned............................................ before he was pushed?
and tommy IQ CANNOT be measured fairly across differnt populations since different populations have different skills predicated by the conditions underwhich they live...

I dont doubt you would be considered a "thick white man" by an amazonian tribes man, and wouldnt last 2 days if turfed out in the amazon with just a loin cloth and a pointy stick....

you dont judge the IQ of a dog by asking it to climb a tree (which would imply a dog is inferior intellectually than say a squirrel) nor do you judge the IQ of a human by asking it to fly unaided, which would imply the human is stupider than a sparrow.

IQ tests REQUIRE that they are applied to a consistant population, with similar educational, social and living conditions across ALL subjects, otherwise they prove NOTHING

ALL humans have the same capacity to learn the same things with the same faculty, even to the point that, where you somehow to bring the earliest "modern human" from 20,000 years ago (NOT homo sapiens, but homo sapiens sapiens) as a baby and rear him/her in a modern western setting he/she would perform as well as any present day human of the same type (i.e health education wealth and well being) (since of course they are gentically virtually identical with present humans), apart from some inconsequential and non intelligence related differences(such as being able to drink cows milk, and sickle cell anaemia ....which entered the human genome as a defence against malaria despite its debilitating effects....)

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:32 pm

Well said.
The paradox is that Sabisky has a high IQ, and went through Cambridge University.
But he remains a thoroughly stupid little man.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:44 pm


going through uni DOES NOT imply high IQ....

learning and IQ are poorly related.....

"common sense " is a better indicator of IQ

most uni types are "one trick pony's" with no ability outside their chosen field, and a distinct lack of ability to retrain

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:28 pm

Clearly Tommy Monk didn't attend university nor has any common sense., hence his low IQ,

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:51 pm

Try googling "IQ by country"...



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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Try googling "IQ by country"...



You just gonna ignore Vic's post then?
Too many words?

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Post by gelico on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:46 am




Too many words?


lol!

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:50 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Try googling "IQ by country"...

Rolling Eyes

More of Tommy's racist bullshit...

Countries cannot be fairly defined or categorised by "IQ" (as there is no universal means of measuring IQ -- nor any genuine way of ranking all countries)..

Making self-declared "genius" Tommy's faux internet research here yet another clear example of Tommy's neo-nazi proclivities.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:56 am

gelico wrote:


Too many words?


lol!

Cool

'Words' are redundant to a self-declared "genius" like Tommy..

Who are we mere mortals to argue against Tommy's claimed "I.Q." score of  723,564,127.432  ???

Poor li'l Tommykins --  brain bigger than a planet, but does anybody care..

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:13 am

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

https://new-iq-test.com/all-images/Articles/iq_by_country.png

What is IQ, tom?  What is it composed of, and how does it assist us?  Your chart doesn't even have a title, much less any information or discussion about it.

This was my question, which tommy ignored.  But Vic picked it up with a brilliant expose of the issue of IQ's:

Victor wrote:IQ CANNOT be measured fairly across differnt populations since different populations have different skills predicated by the conditions underwhich they live...

I dont doubt you would be considered a "thick white man" by an amazonian tribes man, and wouldnt last 2 days if turfed out in the amazon with just a loin cloth and a pointy stick....

you dont judge the IQ of a dog by asking it to climb a tree (which would imply a dog is inferior intellectually than say a squirrel) nor do you judge the IQ of a human by asking it to fly unaided, which would imply the human is stupider than a sparrow.

I spent years on the Rutgers University Admissions Committee, and as chairman of the Admission Standards Subcommittee.  I received all the studies, all the findings, from all the testers and all the researchers, and what Vic says about squirrels doing well on a squirrel IQ test, and sparrows doing well on a sparrow IQ test, is absolutely true.

An IQ test is no more than a self-fulfilling prophecy...those who are a part of the culture, will do well on measures about the culture.  IQ tests are a measure of how WASP the WASP's can be.

Tommy publishes a chart with no title, and no explanation, precisely because he does not want to explain that he stands behind a conclusion that has no foundation.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:33 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Try googling "IQ by country"...



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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:26 am

As a newbie here, I could be completely wrong, but my early impressions are that Tommy Monk is ever so slightly racist, careless with facts and seems to try to spin black people as inferior and less intelligent.
Am I correct or not?

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:49 am

Brutus wrote:As a newbie here, I could be completely wrong, but my early impressions are that Tommy Monk is (1) ever so slightly racist, (2) careless with facts and seems to try to spin black people as inferior and less intelligent.
Am I correct or not?

1. almost certainly, in my opinion, though not usually overtly.
2. my word yes.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:23 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Try googling "IQ by country"...



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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:39 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Try googling "IQ by country"...



You haven't answered a direct question by Brutus.
You haven't answered any of Quill's points.
You haven't answered Vic's post, and he went to the effort of giving you a detailed response.

It is pure, shameless arrogance to think repeatedly throwing up your link as if it answers any of those people.
Use your brain, use your own words.

This is why people stop debating you.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:11 am

I'm not here to be interrogated by people who can't be bothered to do a little bit of googling to look at the facts...



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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:10 pm

If you cannot answer very simple yes or no questions, then why should anyone engage on a Google search in the attempt to prove your non corroborated claim and statistics are true?
With Google, ANYTHING can be proven, from flat earth, Elvis lives, moon landing are fake, Diana is alive and even black people are more stupid.
If I searched hard enough, or even visited Newsfix, I would certainly find evidence that some, if not all people who used a forum name of Tommy Monk are racist.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Cool

Try crawling back into the sewer you slithered out of...

You disgusting little racist nazi turd..

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm not here to be interrogated by people who can't be bothered to do a little bit of googling to look at the facts...



The problem with you is you think ALL knowledge can be obtained by just a quick google Rolling Eyes

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:54 pm

The answers to all your questions on this thread can be found by simply looking... Then once you have had a look... Then you can decide what you want to believe...

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:11 pm

The 3rd post on this thread, by me, asked a simple , binary question, which you have failed to answer.
Instead, you have pontificate, linked unverfiable graphs and asked us to search the internet to prove a position you haven't told us you have!.
I asked the question first.
By not answering, we can all take it that you agree that ALL black people are more stupid.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The answers to all your questions on this thread can be found by simply looking... Then once you have had a look... Then you can decide what you want to believe...

Tom, they are your questions. In a debate, if someone raises a point, s/he has the obligation of carrying forward and representing that point, providing the evidence.

"All of [our] questions on this thread" have been to challenge your point. We don't carry your water for you. Some have provided substantiation for their side, and some have provided hypotheses. What stands out in this dialectic, is you and your unnamed, unsourced, and unsubstantiated chart of relative IQ's.

Such an unsubstantiated graphic begs for some kind of support. If you cannot, or are unwilling to support it, the vacuum left behind by you is your statement.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:42 pm

study

"Google" is not a reference...

Google! is a search engine..

Tommy has failed to give us one clear and verifiable reference source for his persistent racist drivel.

Tommy is not only a neo-nazi fool,   but obviously a lazy and stupid racist nazi fool, to boot..

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:05 pm

By his own reckoningTommy Monk must be black skinned.

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Post by Lurker on Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:02 pm

"IQ" has nothing to do with race....

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Post by Fluffyx on Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:18 pm

Brutus wrote:Do you think black people are more stupid, then?
Simple question.

Wow, I don't know the forum history of the folk involved but the answer surely from a biological point of view is er no.
Race is irrelevant when it comes to intelligence. Any aesthetic qualities are. The colour of a person's skin, eye contact, hair color, height..none of these things equate to higher or lower intelligence levels.

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(Bloomberg) -- An adviser to Boris Johnson quit the British government just a few days into the job after a storm over his claims that white Americans are more intelligent than their black compatriots.

Andrew Sabisky, who was hired to work in Johnson’s Downing Street office last week, said he had joined the government to do “real work” but found himself “in the middle of a giant character assassination.”

“The media hysteria about my old stuff online is mad but I wanted to help HMG (Her Majesty’s Government) not be a distraction,” Sabisky wrote on Twitter. “Accordingly I’ve decided to resign as a contractor.”

A spokeswoman for the prime minister’s office confirmed Sabisky had resigned but declined to comment further.

Sabisky became the focus of intense criticism on Monday, with calls for Johnson to fire him. The row came after a posting on an academic blog in 2014 came to light, in which he said: “You will see a far greater percentage of blacks than whites in the range of IQs 75 or below, at which point we are close to the typical boundary for mild mental retardation.”

Sabisky decided to resign even though Johnson’s spokesman earlier on Monday had refused to condemn his views.

As well as the comments about black Americans, the aide, 27, also posted on Twitter that women’s sport is “more comparable to the Paralympics than it is to men’s,” the Mail on Sunday reported, and in a 2016 interview with Schools Week magazine advocated eugenics - the practice of selective breeding.

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How do such ignorant, bad ideas survive? I remember how I used to think that these ideas were dying out, and here we find a 27-year-old espousing them when he was only around 21.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:14 pm

Already being debated on the Cummings government thread.
Tommy Monk is supporting Sabisky's view on black people having a lower IQ.
He even invented a graph to 'prove'it.

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 pm

Brutus wrote:Already being debated on the Cummings government thread.
Tommy Monk is supporting Sabisky's view on black people having a lower IQ.
He even invented a graph to 'prove'it.

Thank you Brutus. Topics merged.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:57 pm



I didn't "invent" any graph... or any statistics...


The data on average IQ by country is well documented and easy to find...


And what the data shows... Is that East Asian and southeast Asian (Oriental) countries populations score significantly higher (on average) than white European countries populations...


So... does that make me an anti white racist for saying that...!?


Does that make me an Oriental supremacist...!!!???


What if I also tell the truth that they score even higher when compared to black countries populations...!?


Does that make me an Oriental supremacist and and anti black racist...!!!???



Or is the truth just the truth... and you just have to accept it is what it is...!!!???




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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

I didn't "invent" any graph... or any statistics...

Your whole claim is pure unadulterated bullshit..

The data on average IQ by country is well documented and easy to find...

Fabricated bullshit "data" doesn't equate to actual facts -- there simply isn't any genuine reliable way of measuring and comparing a country's IQ..

And what the data shows... Is that East Asian and southeast Asian (Oriental) countries populations score significantly higher (on average) than white European countries populations...

Fabricated "data" is worthless, amd beyond useless in forming any genuine comparisons.

So... does that make me an anti white racist for saying that...!?

Does that make me an Oriental supremacist...!!!???

What if I also tell the truth that they score even higher when compared to black countries populations...!?

Does that make me an Oriental supremacist and and anti black racist...!!!???

You are a racist scumbag..
You wouldn't know the 'truth' if it bit you on your arse;
Your ongoing lies only expose you as a bigger nazi turd, day by day.


Or is the truth just the truth... and you just have to accept it is what it is...!!!???

Your idiotic lies, and cherry-picked internet bullshit, are the polar opposite of any geuine 'truths'..

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Tommy Monk wrote:I didn't "invent" any graph... or any statistics...

Of course not, but by posting it, you endorsed it. That is the same thing.

It's still your position. Can't you justify it? I thought not.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:34 am

Oh dear...

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Post by nicko on Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:46 am

Just because you post something doesn't mean you endorse It !
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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:05 am

Tommy has been given plenty of opportunities to deny endorsing it. He refuses.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:40 pm

nicko wrote: Just because you post something doesn't mean you endorse It !

I agree.  There are a million reasons why you re-post someone else's creation.  That's the importance of explaining it.

But the default of posting something without explanation, is that you endorse it: to re-post is to proclaim and publicize the message.  Unless you have some other reason for re-posting--say, you oppose it--then it is paramount that you state your intention.

Tommy has done none of that.  He hasn't even titled, sourced or framed his re-post.  In the wake of that, we must conclude he is perpetuating the message.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm



https://new-iq-test.com/iq-by-country/


People all over the world do IQ tests...


So it is pretty easy for some IQ test company to collate results by country and work out the averages...



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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

https://new-iq-test.com/iq-by-country/

People all over the world do IQ tests...

So it is pretty easy for some IQ test company to collate results by country and work out the averages...

It is useful, if you want to determine how WASPish a person is for purposes of fitting into a WASP world. To use Vic's analogy, if you want to see how well an individual can fly, give him the sparrow test.

The problem is, people take it for more than that. And that's exactly what you are doing, tommy...you want to make generalizations beyond the WASP world.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:01 pm

But we're all humans

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:But we're all humans

Exactly.  But IQ tests don't measure how human we are.  That is left for physicians or anthropologists to determine.

At best, IQ tests determine how you might achieve within a culture.  A culture might be a linguistic group, a continent, a country, a state, a county, a city or a town.  There are distinctive characteristics associated with regions, no matter how small.

Apropos of this, there was an interesting discussion on TV about this, regarding comparing Trump to Bloomberg.  Bloomberg's critic was pointing out that Bloomberg was from New York City, just like Trump.  His assumption was that the same culture produced both of them, so Trump's sins could be expected to be found in Bloomberg.

The response was quite interesting, especially to a one-time New Yorker like myself.  The opponent said, yes, but Trump was a “borough” New Yorker (Queens), not a Manhattanite like Bloomberg.  New York consists of five boroughs, Manhattan, the Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island.  Implicit in his comment was that a person from Queens could be of an entirely different character and culture as compared to a person from Manhattan.

Back to the point: IQ tests measure how much a person conforms to a prototype culture, and thus how successful s/he will do within that culture.  That's all it does.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:34 pm




No... The IQ test is not about conforming to any culture... It is a test of cognitive abilities... reasoning, logic, problem solving, and a lot more...


"The IQ test consists of a number of tasks measuring various measures of intelligence including short-term memory, analytical thinking, mathematical ability and spatial recognition. Like all IQ tests it does not attempt to measure the amount of information you have learned but rather your capacity to learn."



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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No... The IQ test is not about conforming to any culture... It is a test of cognitive abilities... reasoning, logic, problem solving, and a lot more...

And these are not timeless abilities.  They are not even the same level of human ability.  Problem solving', for example, does not express the same level as 'reasoning'; it is practical, and not descriptive.  Some say that 'defining' is a limiting factor, that prevents us from using our whole mind.  The Native American supposedly has cognitive abilities that extend far beyond our poor power to add or detract.

These are cultural characteristics.

Tommy Monk wrote:"The IQ test consists of a number of tasks measuring various measures of intelligence including short-term memory, analytical thinking, mathematical ability and spatial recognition. Like all IQ tests it does not attempt to measure the amount of information you have learned but rather your capacity to learn."

Again, they are culture-bound abilities.  Take Einstein, for example...for reasons known only to him, he did not speak until about 4-years of age.  Some psychologists argue that this 'shut-out' of the external world allowed him to develop a greater capacity to imagine different concepts, as well as different modes of reasoning, which led to his phenomenal revision of Newtonian physics.

Face it, tom.  IQ only looks into the cultural aspects of cognitive ability.  How could it do otherwise?  You need a culture first, in order to develop the tools employed in IQ tests.

What you want to do is a cross-comparison between races, using a culturally infected IQ test. That test would give an unfair advantage to WASP's, as it asks about the briar patch...and as Br're Rabbit said: I's born and raised in the briar patch!

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