Outrage as non-Native youth wearing #MAGA hats taunt and disrespect Native elder

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Nathan Phillips, Omaha, is a Vietnam Veteran who hosts a sacred pipe ceremony at Arlington, was taunted in D.C.

Native Twitter has gone ablaze as a Native American elder singing the AIM Song in Washington DC during the Indigenous Peoples March was ridiculed, taunted and mocked by a group of non-Native youth.

The video, which was posted by YouTube account holder KC NOLAND, was also screen captured and shared on other social media accounts with views shortly gaining tens of thousands of views.

The elder is Nathan Phillips, an Omaha elder who is also a Vietnam Veteran and former director of the Native Youth Alliance. He is also a keeper of a sacred pipe and holds an annual ceremony honoring Native American veterans in the Arlington National Cemetery.




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What a bunch of uneducated ingrate little shits.

If there was ever an example of what is wrong in the US today, it was the disrespectful actions of this vile little scumbags

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:strange how a happy expression and a smile and kids having harmless fun can suddenly turn into a menacing mob filled with hatred who were taunting and mocking and allegedly wanting to rip the native guy apart.

Don't go overboard, geli.  That was a mocking smile, meant to taunt.

The plain fact is that any expression is permissible in a demonstration, as long as it is non-violent.  (That's why Charlottesville was unacceptable.)  But whether it's sneers or drums, on-lookers will judge you and assign a meaning to your antics.

Like George Zimmerman, Mr. Sandmann will probably have a hard time getting a job or other placement as a result of his public personality assignment, what with that mocking smile.  I'll bet he grows a beard and ditches that hat when he gets to college.

Which is why I'm starting a petition to ban assault smiles and a support group for the victims of those smiles.

And my petition will include drums for all. Everyone gets a state provided drum while smiles will be heavily regulated.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Don't go overboard, geli.  That was a mocking smile, meant to taunt.

The plain fact is that any expression is permissible in a demonstration, as long as it is non-violent.  (That's why Charlottesville was unacceptable.)  But whether it's sneers or drums, on-lookers will judge you and assign a meaning to your antics.

Like George Zimmerman, Mr. Sandmann will probably have a hard time getting a job or other placement as a result of his public personality assignment, what with that mocking smile.  I'll bet he grows a beard and ditches that hat when he gets to college.

Which is why I'm starting a petition to ban assault smiles and a support group for the victims of those smiles.

Go for it Redneck. You'll only add to the spectacle Mr. Sandmann made of himself, and for which he is now permanently embarrassed.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:


Which is why I'm starting a petition to ban assault smiles and a support group for the victims of those smiles.

Go for it Redneck.  You'll only add to the spectacle Mr. Sandmann made of himself, and for which he is now permanently embarrassed.

My smile ban will stop these spectacles.  It will also include regulations on "shit  eating grins". Can't have folks running around flashing those, especially minor children.

do you feel inditimidated by smiles

has your neighbour smiled at you?

was he white?

was he a trump supporter?

did you feel threatened by this smile?

did it seem to mock you?

help is at hand - we shall fight to ban smiles in all their grotesque forms for ever

in the meantime, should your neighbour offer you a smile that you don't like, simply go and bang a drum next to his ears and chant loudly into his face

praying for your safety from the dreadful smiley things

gelico wrote:
do you feel inditimidated by smiles

has your neighbour smiled at you?

was he white?

was he a trump supporter?

did you feel threatened by this smile?

did it seem to mock you?

help is at hand - we shall fight to ban smiles in all their grotesque forms for ever

in the meantime, should your neighbour offer you a smile that you don't like, simply go and bang a drum next to his ears and chant loudly into his face

praying for your safety from the dreadful smiley things

You're a smilist.

Even Jamie Lee gets it. 

But then again, she's been known to engage in smiling so her opinion is a bit suspect.

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/22/twitter-suspends-covington-video-source


Now Twitter  has stepped in.


"None of it should have blown up into days of national news. But the symbolism was apparently too toxic to resist virality; the initial error-filled claims and their swift spread led to a need for setting the record straightand the whole thing quickly gave way to everyone's favorite sort of 2014-forward culture war battle...which it seems increasingly like we're doomed to repeat in ever-more-nauseating ways for all eternity."

Deleted.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Music can calm people, and agitate people.

I don't expect everyone to speak English. I expect everyone who can speak English to do so, as opposed to beating a fucking drum.  

If it agitates you then the problem is wihin you and not the music

So you expect a native American Indian to speak English, even though you are completely ignorant of his traditinonal language

wow again

He was singing a traditional son, you ignorameous

Phillips does speak English, and as he was the one who approached the boys, he should have communicated with them in a way they understood - by speaking to them.

Why should they know about his music? Does he know about the music they like?

Look, Phillips assumed the boys were causing trouble, not the black guys, that's why he went up to them. He expected them to be hostile so that's what he thought they were. He got it wrong, and he should have the integrity to say so.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:

If it agitates you then the problem is wihin you and not the music

So you expect a native American Indian to speak English, even though you are completely ignorant of his traditinonal language

wow again

He was singing a traditional son, you ignorameous

Phillips does speak English, and as he was the one who approached the boys, he should have communicated with them in a way they understood - by speaking to them.  

Why should they know about his music? Does he know about the music they like?

Look, Phillips assumed the boys were causing trouble, not the black guys, that's why he went up to them. He expected them to be hostile so that's what he thought they were. He got it wrong, and he should have the integrity to say so.

Exactly. He saw black guys and white kids in red hats and made an incorrect assumption. He should man up, come forward and admit as such.

The more I read about this Phillips guy, the more unpleasant and arrogant he sounds. He demands respect for himself, but he gives none to others.

Raggamuffin wrote:The more I read about this Phillips guy, the more unpleasant and arrogant he sounds. He demands respect for himself, but he gives none to others.

The ideal result would be for the two to meet. Have a meeting brokered where they can discuss things. Actually speak to each other instead of staring at each other while one beats a fucking drum.

I see the exucses are still flowing thick and fast.

Who now think school kids should act this way, when in a public place representing their school?

Its priceless and it shows many clearly at first held the right view what they did was disrespectful and wrong and saw no problem with the traditional drum. Until the views of the Black supremacists were made public and then we see a complete volte face from the group of posters that clearly has a subconcious racial bias.

Its hilarious the double standard they aree showing on this, when nothing has changed in the video clips where they mocked and were insulting.

Priceless

Thor wrote:I see the exucses are still flowing thick and fast.

Who now think school kids should act this way, when in a public place representing their school?

Its priceless and it shows many clearly at first held the right view what they did was disrespectful and wrong and saw no problem with the traditional drum. Until the views of the Black supremacists were made public and then we see a complete volte face from the group of posters  that clearly has a subconcious racial bias.

Its hilarious the double standard they aree showing on this, when nothing has changed in the video clips where they mocked and were insulting.

Priceless

I'm not making an excuse for a grown man beating a drum in a kids face because he didn't like his hat.

Maybe Mr Phillips could give Mr Sandmann drum lessons and this will all blow over?

So... "a mocking smile", eh...!!!???


Oh dear...!

Still more excuses and this is being based off the face off one kiid out of a hundred.

You know when someone tries poorly, by using a quote based around a chapter of people being thought Police, of which everyone is guilty here, that they think they are innocent of this. It means in regards to a violation of the law, though facial expressions, through a perceived view on their thoughts

Nobody has claimed there is a violation of the law

Priceless again

Tommy Monk wrote:So... "a mocking smile", eh...!!!???


Oh dear...!

And an evil hat.

Bad hat, bad smile, bad child!!

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:I see the exucses are still flowing thick and fast.

Who now think school kids should act this way, when in a public place representing their school?

Its priceless and it shows many clearly at first held the right view what they did was disrespectful and wrong and saw no problem with the traditional drum. Until the views of the Black supremacists were made public and then we see a complete volte face from the group of posters  that clearly has a subconcious racial bias.

Its hilarious the double standard they aree showing on this, when nothing has changed in the video clips where they mocked and were insulting.

Priceless

I'm not making an excuse for a grown man beating a drum in a kids face because he didn't like his hat.

So your only defense is him playing a traditional song, and at one piont was face to face with another kid.

That is your defense one individual here.

What about the rest, who mocked here even before he was faced to face with this kid?

Take your time

Maddog wrote:Maybe Mr Phillips could give Mr Sandmann drum lessons and this will all blow over?

Or the kids and you could learn some respect for the culture of Native Indians, who were on a peace march

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:Maybe Mr Phillips could give Mr Sandmann drum lessons and this will all blow over?

Or the kids and you could learn some respect for the culture of Native Indians, who were on a peace march

Respect is a two way street Chief.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I'm not making an excuse for a grown man beating a drum in a kids face because he didn't like his hat.

So your only defense is him playing a traditional song, and at one piont was face to face with another kid.

That is your defense one individual here.

What about the rest, who mocked here even before he was faced to face with this kid?

Take your time

Who asked him to get in in someone's face and play the fucking song?

It was an act of aggression, and the kids didn't appreciate it.

Nor would I.

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

Or the kids and you could learn some respect for the culture of Native Indians, who were on a peace march

Respect is a two way street Chief.  

When have you shown any respect towards him?

He did show respect

In your ignorance you did not understand what he song was

Nor did you clearly watched the other videos I posted this morining showing him calling out to everyone as relatives

Nor did you watch the kids clearly being antagonistic back to the Black extremists

Hey ho, your only defense is for one kid, the one smirking. Because he had the song played next to him

Even if I was to discount this kid as being innocent, which in the other vids he certainly does not join in with the rest when they are sticking their fingers up to the Blacks and shouting and singing back to them, with a mock version of the haka

How again do you clearly avoid and ignore the rest of kids behaviour, when representing a school. Who were not part of the Native Indian march and yet many mocked Nathan Phillips

Those are the facts

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

So your only defense is him playing a traditional song, and at one piont was face to face with another kid.

That is your defense one individual here.

What about the rest, who mocked here even before he was faced to face with this kid?

Take your time

Who asked him to get in in someone's face and play the fucking song?

It was an act of aggression, and the kids didn't appreciate it.


Nor would I.

He was never in anyones face for most of the song and yet suffered countless mockery and laughter at him

Hence going off the stand off between him and the one boy later on, does not excuse any of the others behaviour

Nor would any school tolerate that behaviour from their kids, and you continually look to excuse

Its both hilarious and pathetic the way you now claim Nathan is the aggresor

So to claim its an act of aggresion proves again not only your ignorance of native Indian culture, but that now a peace song is aggressive to you.

One moment

You think that is aggressive, not a hundred 17 year olds surrounding and mocking a pensioner singing

I would love for you to put such a defense on the court of law.

I have no doubt you would be sent to back like this

Maddog wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The more I read about this Phillips guy, the more unpleasant and arrogant he sounds. He demands respect for himself, but he gives none to others.

The ideal result would be for the two to meet. Have a meeting brokered where they can discuss things. Actually speak to each other instead of staring at each other while one beats a fucking drum.  

Yes. Phillips is offended that Nick Sandmann didn't apologise, and he accused him of falsehoods. He's a fine one to talk.

Apparently, Phillips has said he would like to go to the school.

He’s offering to travel as a delegate representing the international coalition behind the Indigenous Peoples March to Covington Catholic High School in and have a dialogue about cultural appropriation, racism and the importance of listening to and respecting diverse cultures, he said in a Tuesday news release.

Does that mean he'll listen to them talk about their culture and admit that he's not perfect just because he's descended from indigenous people?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/22/nathan-phillips-nick-sandman-covington-catholic/2642855002/

Phillips is also offended that the boys didn't respect the views of the black guys who were spouting hatred and abuse all over the place.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:Maybe Mr Phillips could give Mr Sandmann drum lessons and this will all blow over?

Or the kids and you could learn some respect for the culture of Native Indians, who were on a peace march

He should have stuck to his own march and not interfered with anyone else's. Where was his respect for them?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The ideal result would be for the two to meet. Have a meeting brokered where they can discuss things. Actually speak to each other instead of staring at each other while one beats a fucking drum.  

Yes. Phillips is offended that Nick Sandmann didn't apologise, and he accused him of falsehoods. He's a fine one to talk.

Apparently, Phillips has said he would like to go to the school.

He’s offering to travel as a delegate representing the international coalition behind the Indigenous Peoples March to Covington Catholic High School in and have a dialogue about cultural appropriation, racism and the importance of listening to and respecting diverse cultures, he said in a Tuesday news release.

Does that mean he'll listen to them talk about their culture and admit that he's not perfect just because he's descended from indigenous people?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/22/nathan-phillips-nick-sandman-covington-catholic/2642855002/

Phillips is also offended that the boys didn't respect the views of the black guys who were spouting hatred and abuse all over the place.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

Cathy newman alert

Show where he claimed that?

I already posted that link this morning and you are again  being caught out lying Rags

Opps

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:

Or the kids and you could learn some respect for the culture of Native Indians, who were on a peace march

He should have stuck to his own march and not interfered with anyone else's. Where was his respect for them?

His march was at the lincoln Memorial

The Kids march was not there

Hence the kids should have stayed well out of the way

You keep calling him a pensioner Didge. He's not that old you know.

Raggamuffin wrote:You keep calling him a pensioner Didge. He's not that old you know.

He is a pensioner Rags

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He should have stuck to his own march and not interfered with anyone else's. Where was his respect for them?

His march was at the lincoln Memorial

The Kids march was not there

Hence the kids should have stayed well out of the way

Are you now suggesting that he was planning on marching up those steps before he saw the kids?

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:You keep calling him a pensioner Didge. He's not that old you know.

He is a pensioner Rags

They get a state pension earlier over there?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


His march was at the lincoln Memorial

The Kids march was not there

Hence the kids should have stayed well out of the way

Are you now suggesting that he was planning on marching up those steps before he saw the kids?

The native Americans again were there for a march, they were there before the kids turned up

In fact the Black supreamcists were abusing the native indians, calling the savages

The kids turned up after

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


He is a pensioner Rags

They get a state pension earlier over there?

What has that got to do with the fact he is a pensioner

Does he look young to you Rags?

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. Phillips is offended that Nick Sandmann didn't apologise, and he accused him of falsehoods. He's a fine one to talk.

Apparently, Phillips has said he would like to go to the school.



Does that mean he'll listen to them talk about their culture and admit that he's not perfect just because he's descended from indigenous people?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/22/nathan-phillips-nick-sandman-covington-catholic/2642855002/

Phillips is also offended that the boys didn't respect the views of the black guys who were spouting hatred and abuse all over the place.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

Cathy newman alert

Show where he claimed that?

I already posted that link this morning and you are again  being caught out lying Rags

Opps

He said that some of their views were "educational" and the "truth, and that the kids wouldn't listen - ie, they didn't respect the views of the racist bigots, whereas Phillips clearly did.

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They get a state pension earlier over there?

What has that got to do with the fact he is a pensioner

Does he look young to you Rags?

A pensioner usually gets a pension. Do you class anyone over 60 as a pensioner?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


Cathy newman alert

Show where he claimed that?

I already posted that link this morning and you are again  being caught out lying Rags

Opps

He said that some of their views were "educational" and the "truth, and that the kids wouldn't listen - ie, they didn't respect the views of the racist bigots, whereas Phillips clearly did.

So like I said, you made that up and lied

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you now suggesting that he was planning on marching up those steps before he saw the kids?

The native Americans again were there for a march, they were there before the kids turned up

In fact the Black supreamcists were abusing the native indians, calling the savages

The kids turned up after

The black guys also abused the school kids for being white - you saw them do it didn't you?

The kids turned up because that's where their buses were going from. Where is the route map of the native march? The kids were also there for a march you know, which they had every right to be.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


What has that got to do with the fact he is a pensioner

Does he look young to you Rags?

A pensioner usually gets a pension. Do you class anyone over 60 as a pensioner?

Again what does that matter when he is a pensioner?

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He said that some of their views were "educational" and the "truth, and that the kids wouldn't listen - ie, they didn't respect the views of the racist bigots, whereas Phillips clearly did.

So like I said, you made that up and lied

No I didn't. You and Phillips are the liars. You're very alike - no wonder you admire him so much. He just sounds arrogant and unpleasant to me - much like you.

Do you think what the black guys were saying was the truth and was educational? Perhaps you think it's educational for someone to stand there and scream about "faggots".

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

A pensioner usually gets a pension. Do you class anyone over 60 as a pensioner?

Again what does that matter when he is a pensioner?

Define what you mean by pensioner. You see, you're also painting him as a victim because of his age. He's only in his 60s, not even mid or late 60s. His age does not guarantee that others will respect him, and it's not an excuse for his behaviour after the incident.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


The native Americans again were there for a march, they were there before the kids turned up

In fact the Black supreamcists were abusing the native indians, calling the savages

The kids turned up after

The black guys also abused the school kids for being white - you saw them do it didn't you?

The kids turned up because that's where their buses were going from. Where is the route map of the native march? The kids were also there for a march you know, which they had every right to be.

Yes that came later.  You need to watch the whole video through rags, from start to finsih the whole two hours, as your timelines are all mixed up

What their bus was going to pick them up in a place where buses cannot go?

Did you also notice when they went, it was way away from where they were standing?

In other words they did not need to be there at all waiting for the buses, as the buses would not be able to pick them up from there. Its clear they were drawn there by either the native march or as seen in the video, they start to get drawn near to the racist black supremacists.

Yes the lids were on a march for pro life, which was not at the Lincoln memorial

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


So like I said, you made that up and lied

No I didn't. You and Phillips are the liars. You're very alike - no wonder you admire him so much. He just sounds arrogant and unpleasant to me - much like you.

Do you think what the black guys were saying was the truth and was educational? Perhaps you think it's educational for someone to stand there and scream about "faggots".

You made a claim that was inherantly false

And the simple reason you made it up is again a subconcious racial bias against Native Indians

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:


Again what does that matter when he is a pensioner?

Define what you mean by pensioner. You see, you're also painting him as a victim because of his age. He's only in his 60s, not even mid or late 60s. His age does not guarantee that others will respect him, and it's not an excuse for his behaviour after the incident.

Why do I need to define it when he is a pensioner.

Is that what you do when you meet pensioners?

It looked like these young men were going to attack these guys. They were going to hurt them. They were going to hurt them because they didn't like the color of their skin.

I mean, that was a big fat lie. It was the black guys who were abusing the boys because of the colour of their skin.

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No I didn't. You and Phillips are the liars. You're very alike - no wonder you admire him so much. He just sounds arrogant and unpleasant to me - much like you.

Do you think what the black guys were saying was the truth and was educational? Perhaps you think it's educational for someone to stand there and scream about "faggots".

You made a claim that was inherantly false

And the simple reason you made it up is again a subconcious racial bias against Native Indians

It wasn't false at all. You're just making that up and lying.

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The black guys also abused the school kids for being white - you saw them do it didn't you?

The kids turned up because that's where their buses were going from. Where is the route map of the native march? The kids were also there for a march you know, which they had every right to be.

Yes that came later.  You need to watch the whole video through rags, from start to finsih the whole two hours, as your timelines are all mixed up

What their bus was going to pick them up in a place where buses cannot go?

Did you also notice when they went, it was way away from where they were standing?

In other words they did not need to be there at all waiting for the buses, as the buses would not be able to pick them up from there. Its clear they were drawn there by either the native march or as seen in the video, they start to get drawn near to the racist black supremacists.

Yes the lids were on a march for pro life, which was not at the Lincoln memorial

They were told to congregate there.

Raggamuffin wrote:

It looked like these young men were going to attack these guys. They were going to hurt them. They were going to hurt them because they didn't like the color of their skin.

I mean, that was a big fat lie. It was the black guys who were abusing the boys because of the colour of their skin.

Actually, once you see some other vids, you could easily, whether right or wrongly inetrept that things could get  very messy

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/the-whole-story-before-and-after-video-of-nathan-phillips-magayouth-and-more-_O6lTVo8M0muOgi6Foug-w/

Watch the first video

So again how can you claim he is lying when this is how he felt

Again its you thinking he should have felt how you feel, in hindsight watching some videos

You were not there Rags, hence how he felt may be very different to you

That does not mean he is lying