Video shows tourists mocking Native drummer in Santa Fe

Oglala Lakota drummer John SwiftBird says he often sings traditional pow wow songs and the women were likely intoxicated

A video has surfaced on Facebook in which four women appear to be dancing in a mocking way at an Oglala Lakota street performer and traditional drummer John Swiftbird.

The video was posted to Facebook by Steve Wilkerson, a man who was visiting the Santa Fe area at the time of the incident. His posted video has received thousands of views and hundreds of comments. He also gave the video to the Santa Fe New Mexican, which posted the video to YouTube.

After initial interactions of the women -- who are wearing cowboy hats -- the man recording the video says "You should be embarrassed." The women begin to walk away and some cover their faces with their hats. He also asks the women for their names, which they do not give.

One of the women says "I'm gonna f---n kill you. Kill your mother."

The person filming asks if the women are racists, which they deny. He also films their license plate.

The plate and faces have been blocked by the Santa Fe New Mexican on the video that has been uploaded to their channel.

On the Santa Fe news channel KRQE, Swiftbird says he was singing traditional Lakota powwow songs when the women approached. "Some group of young women who were dressed in the same attire were kind of intoxicated jumping up and down to the songs I was singing, making mockery sounds."





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From Georgia, visiting Santa Fe, NM. Southerners!

The embarrassment of America.

Why is that man following those girls and harassing them?

Original Quill wrote:From Georgia, visiting Santa Fe, NM.  Southerners!  

The embarrassment of America.  

Sadly this is the case

They were drunk and being a little obnoxious, Happens when people travel to areas with people of different cultures.

It happens on Cinco de mayo and St Patricks day too.

I think people are getting way too sensitive.

I'm of German heritage and every year, we have an Oktoberfest and people get drunk and act like they are German.

I could care less. Now if they were to start calling people Nazis, then I might get bothered.

Original Quill wrote:From Georgia, visiting Santa Fe, NM.  Southerners!  

The embarrassment of America.  

Are you going to tell me white California girls don't get drunk and wear mexican sombreros in California?

You need to get out more.

Original Quill wrote:From Georgia, visiting Santa Fe, NM.  Southerners!  

The embarrassment of America.  

Are you going to tell me white California girls don't get drunk and wear mexican sombreros in California?

You need to get out more.

Maddog wrote:They were drunk and being a little obnoxious, Happens when people travel to areas with people of different cultures.  

It happens on Cinco de mayo and St Patricks day too.

I think people are getting way too sensitive.

I'm of German heritage and every year, we have an Oktoberfest and people get drunk and act like they are German.

I could care less. Now if they were to start calling people Nazis, then I might get bothered.      

The Native Indian here though was not concerned and did react to their stupidity mind

Your point does show that people do have limitations to what they will tolerate

Most people forget that many Americans of german descent fought against the Nazi's. As did Japanese Americans. The later being one of the most highly decorated American units in WW2. The 442nd Infantry Regiment.

Here though the women were clearly mocking and knew they were, by how they made a swift exit

So things like this need to be exposed in my opinion

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:They were drunk and being a little obnoxious, Happens when people travel to areas with people of different cultures.  

It happens on Cinco de mayo and St Patricks day too.

I think people are getting way too sensitive.

I'm of German heritage and every year, we have an Oktoberfest and people get drunk and act like they are German.

I could care less. Now if they were to start calling people Nazis, then I might get bothered.      

The Native Indian here though was not concerned and did react to their stupidity mind

Your point does show that people do have limitations to what they will tolerate

Most people forget that many Americans of german descent fought against the Nazi's. As did Japanese Americans. The later being one of the most highly decorated American units in WW2. The 442nd Infantry Regiment.

Here though the women were clearly mocking and knew they were, by how they made a swift exit

So things like this need to be exposed in my opinion

They were acting like fools and were drunk.

Someone shows up with a camera and they don't want their faces shown.

I'm sure it wasn't their finest moment.

Same as when girls get drunk and show their tits.

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:


The Native Indian here though was not concerned and did react to their stupidity mind

Your point does show that people do have limitations to what they will tolerate

Most people forget that many Americans of german descent fought against the Nazi's. As did Japanese Americans. The later being one of the most highly decorated American units in WW2. The 442nd Infantry Regiment.

Here though the women were clearly mocking and knew they were, by how they made a swift exit

So things like this need to be exposed in my opinion

They were acting like fools and were drunk.

Someone shows up with a camera and they don't want their faces shown.

I'm sure it wasn't their finest moment.

Same as when girls get drunk and show their tits.  

Yeah but sometimes exposure to their stupidity is what is needed as a life lesson not to act tits, no pun intended when drunk

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:

They were acting like fools and were drunk.

Someone shows up with a camera and they don't want their faces shown.

I'm sure it wasn't their finest moment.

Same as when girls get drunk and show their tits.  

Yeah but sometimes exposure to their stupidity is what is needed as a life lesson not to act tits, no pun intended when drunk

I think a word to the young ladies would have sufficed.

I think the guy with the camera was being a bit of a virtue signaler myself.

Ciao!.

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

Yeah but sometimes exposure to their stupidity is what is needed as a life lesson not to act tits, no pun intended when drunk

I think a word to the young ladies would have sufficed.

I think the guy with the camera was being a bit of a virtue signaler myself.

Ciao!.

To me they are lucky their boses did not see who they were

I agree on the later though

Cheers

Maddog wrote:Yeah but sometimes exposure to their stupidity is what is needed as a life lesson not to act tits, no pun intended when drunk

It's cultural. One can be drunk, and not behave like a ya-hoo at a klan rally. America is two countries... memo to the bottom half: we don't behave like that.

And...

What's the odds those four drunks more likely voted for Donald Trump, than not..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:            

And...

What's the odds those four drunks more likely voted for Donald Trump,  than not..

I see drunk chicks of every political stripe acting like fools, so I wouldn't want to speculate.

Maddog wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:            

And...

What's the odds those four drunks more likely voted for Donald Trump,  than not..

I see drunk chicks of every political stripe acting like fools, so I wouldn't want to speculate.

First of all, sloppy drunkenness is a southern thing, along with guns and racism. Second, alcohol only exaggerates what one has already internalized. Sure, everyone imbibes, but not everyone ridicules hallowed traditions or shows disrespect for another's religion/culture.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:
I see drunk chicks of every political stripe acting like fools, so I wouldn't want to speculate.

First of all, sloppy drunkenness is a southern thing, along with guns and racism.  Second, alcohol only exaggerates what one has already internalized.  Sure, everyone imbibes, but not everyone ridicules hallowed traditions or shows disrespect for another's religion/culture.

Drunkenness is a human thing.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

First of all, sloppy drunkenness is a southern thing, along with guns and racism.  Second, alcohol only exaggerates what one has already internalized.  Sure, everyone imbibes, but not everyone ridicules hallowed traditions or shows disrespect for another's religion/culture.

Drunkenness is a human thing.

No doubt. But drunkenness with racial/cultural/religious abuse is decidedly a southern thing.

I didn't see what the girls were doing, but I did see a guy follow them, harass them, and be a bit abusive. He demanded their names, and he even followed them to their car and hung around until they drove off. I don't think his behaviour was anything to be proud of. He's lucky he didn't get arrested.

Raggamuffin wrote:I didn't see what the girls were doing, but I did see a guy follow them, harass them, and be a bit abusive. He demanded their names, and he even followed them to their car and hung around until they drove off. I don't think his behaviour was anything to be proud of. He's lucky he didn't get arrested.  

By your own admission, you didn't see it. What the young man was doing was to simply challenge the Georgians: if you're proud of what you are doing, identify yourselves and proudly proclaim your cause.

If they don't, their own shame is their judgment.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I didn't see what the girls were doing, but I did see a guy follow them, harass them, and be a bit abusive. He demanded their names, and he even followed them to their car and hung around until they drove off. I don't think his behaviour was anything to be proud of. He's lucky he didn't get arrested.  

By your own admission, you didn't see it.  What the young man was doing was to simply challenge the Georgians: if you're proud of what you are doing, identify yourselves and proudly proclaim your cause.

If they don't, their own shame is their judgment.

I didn't see it because he didn't film it. It's not OK for a man to follow women and pester them. He's a jerk.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

By your own admission, you didn't see it.  What the young man was doing was to simply challenge the Georgians: if you're proud of what you are doing, identify yourselves and proudly proclaim your cause.

If they don't, their own shame is their judgment.

I didn't see it because he didn't film it. It's not OK for a man to follow women and pester them. He's a jerk.

Cops pursue women (and men) all the time, if they are breaking the law. The young man was doing the same, except the code broken was a civic and moral one, the remedy to speak out.

It's a free country, and you are allowed to express your moral opinion anytime, anywhere lawfully appropriate. I think he was performing a service to the common weal...good on him.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't see it because he didn't film it. It's not OK for a man to follow women and pester them. He's a jerk.

Cops pursue women (and men) all the time, if they are breaking the law.  The young man was doing the same, except the code broken was a civic and moral one, the remedy to speak out.

It's a free country, and you are allowed to express your moral opinion anytime, anywhere lawfully appropriate.  I think he was performing a service to the common weal...good on him.

No he wasn't. He had no proof they did anything wrong, he just harassed them for no good reason.

At least one of the girls was nowhere near the singing bloke anyway. Why should she have to put up with some random bloke following her, asking for her name, and generally being a pest?

Those WOMEN (not girls,  huge sturdy-looking women) were extremely illmannered & disrespectful to the native indian singer.  They could have simply walked on by. 

Not the worst crime in the world but then the man trying to shame them wasn't committing the worst crime in the world either. Basically he was pulling them up

Raggamuffin wrote:At least one of the girls was nowhere near the singing bloke anyway. Why should she have to put up with some random bloke following her, asking for her name, and generally being a pest?

She should hang out with a better class of people, I guess.

Or, she could back-up and join the young man in condemning the Georgian girls.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Cops pursue women (and men) all the time, if they are breaking the law.  The young man was doing the same, except the code broken was a civic and moral one, the remedy to speak out.

It's a free country, and you are allowed to express your moral opinion anytime, anywhere lawfully appropriate.  I think he was performing a service to the common weal...good on him.

No he wasn't. He had no proof they did anything wrong, he just harassed them for no good reason.

Oh shut up Raggs.
You LIED that you had not seen the women do anything wrong. Stop lying.

Jules wrote:Those WOMEN (not girls,  huge sturdy-looking women) were extremely illmannered & disrespectful to the native indian singer.  They could have simply walked on by. 

Not the worst crime in the world but then the man trying to shame them wasn't committing the worst crime in the world either. Basically he was pulling them up

Can you see what they did then? I can't.

Pulling them up would be having a word as he passed by. It's not following them, demanding their names, harassing them, filming their car, and then putting it all on the internet. No doubt he thinks he's famous now.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No he wasn't. He had no proof they did anything wrong, he just harassed them for no good reason.

Oh shut up Raggs.
You LIED that you had not seen the women do anything wrong. Stop lying.

What did you see then? I'm not lying. I can't see what they were doing because he's too far away and he didn't film what they did.

Oh, and don't tell me to shut up. You might get away with that behaviour on Dogs, but it doesn't work with me.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No he wasn't. He had no proof they did anything wrong, he just harassed them for no good reason.

Oh shut up Raggs.
You LIED that you had not seen the women do anything wrong. Stop lying.

Indeed, anyone can see they are taking the piss out of him

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:

Oh shut up Raggs.
You LIED that you had not seen the women do anything wrong. Stop lying.

What did you see then? I'm not lying. I can't see what they were doing because he's too far away and he didn't film what they did.

Oh, and don't tell me to shut up. You might get away with that behaviour on Dogs, but it doesn't work with me.

You were lying. You could clearly see them behaving obnoxiously.
It ill behoves you to resort to big fat porkies and making bogus points.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What did you see then? I'm not lying. I can't see what they were doing because he's too far away and he didn't film what they did.

Oh, and don't tell me to shut up. You might get away with that behaviour on Dogs, but it doesn't work with me.

You were lying. You could clearly see them behaving  obnoxiously.
It ill behoves you to resort to big fat porkies and making bogus points.

No I can't. I had to look at it on You Tube because Didge's video doesn't work for me. Maybe there's more on that one.

I told you already - don't speak to me like that, you nasty harridan.

If some bloke followed me around filming me, I wouldn't be too pleased. He might end up with his phone/camera shoved down his throat.

Jules wrote:Those WOMEN (not girls,  huge sturdy-looking women) were extremely illmannered & disrespectful to the native indian singer.  They could have simply walked on by. 

Not the worst crime in the world but then the man trying to shame them wasn't committing the worst crime in the world either. Basically he was pulling them up

It was sort a stalkerish if you ask me. I guess I'm from a different generation and would have just simply had a word with them.

Really, a man following women like he did is a no no.

Raggamuffin wrote:If some bloke followed me around filming me, I wouldn't be too pleased. He might end up with his phone/camera shoved down his throat.

Raggs you are trying to make this into a harassment of women thing, which it decidedly was not. The issue is respect for culture and religion.

The women, typical of southerners, were demeaning and ridiculing the Native American's culture and religion. They got called up for it. As I said, good on him that did it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:
You were lying. You could clearly see them behaving  obnoxiously.
It ill behoves you to resort to big fat porkies and making bogus points.

No I can't. I had to look at it on You Tube because Didge's video doesn't work for me. Maybe there's more on that one.

I told you already - don't speak to me like that,



you nasty harridan.

I will never be nasty enough to defend racists. You defend the indefensible as a matter of routine, get a grip.

You reserved all your vitriol for the guy who simply pulled them up. You even said he should be arrested.
You either lied or you rushed to pass your usual bigoted judgement before you knew the full story. Take you pick.

Maddog wrote:

Jules wrote:Those WOMEN (not girls,  huge sturdy-looking women) were extremely illmannered & disrespectful to the native indian singer.  They could have simply walked on by. 

Not the worst crime in the world but then the man trying to shame them wasn't committing the worst crime in the world either. Basically he was pulling them up

It was sort a stalkerish if you ask me.  I guess I'm from a different generation and would have just simply had a word with them.

Really, a man following women like he did is a no no.  

I agree. I think one of them said to give the singing man something - money I suppose. Then this random guy started stalking them. They walked away but he followed them shouting and screaming at them. He even circled their car when they got in it. I really don't know what's to admire about that. He sounds like an idiot.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No I can't. I had to look at it on You Tube because Didge's video doesn't work for me. Maybe there's more on that one.

I told you already - don't speak to me like that,



you nasty harridan.

I will never be nasty enough to defend racists. You defend the indefensible as a matter of routine, get a grip.

You reserved all your vitriol for the guy who simply pulled them up. You even said he should be arrested.  
You either lied or you rushed to pass your usual bigoted judgement before you knew the full story. Take you pick.

I didn't know you admired stalkers Jules.

What's up? Nobody to screech at on Dogs? Just do one, and stop condoning stalking.

Your stance in this thread made me very, very angry. Even RW posters have respect for American Indians.
Why are you lurching so far to the right these days? It's disgusting.

Jules wrote:Your stance in this thread made me very, very angry. Even RW posters have respect for American Indians.
Why are you lurching so far to the right these days? It's disgusting.

Why are you so bigoted against women who aren't American Indians? I doubt you even watched it before you made up your mind they must be racist because someone else said so. Your extreme views are an embarrassment.

Now take your bigoted arse away from me.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:Your stance in this thread made me very, very angry. Even RW posters have respect for American Indians.
Why are you lurching so far to the right these days? It's disgusting.

Why are you so bigoted against women who aren't American Indians? I doubt you even watched it before you made up your mind they must be racist because someone else said so. Your extreme views are an embarrassment.

Now take your bigoted arse away from me.

People innocent do not suddenlly turn tail and attempt to hide their faces, when clearly caught in the act, of mocking this native Indian

Why are you not condemning the women for how they acted?

I have said the man should not have followed and have condemned that.
So why do you continue to excuse the actions of the women?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:Your stance in this thread made me very, very angry. Even RW posters have respect for American Indians.
Why are you lurching so far to the right these days? It's disgusting.

Why are you so bigoted against women who aren't American Indians?

Excuse me. The bigoted southerners started this by picking on the inoffensive Native American, who was minding his own business. You support them and hence you have worked your way into this position.

You are projecting your own bigoted stance onto others.

I've also seen a lot of bigotry against people who are from Georgia in this thread. How come lefties accuse others of being bigoted when they're like that themselves?

Also, why do some people get so histrionic about native Americans? It's like the Nathan Phillips nonsense all over again. Oh, we must respect him because he's a native American. Well no - he didn't tell the truth about Vietnam, and he didn't tell the truth about what happened.

Raggamuffin wrote:I've also seen a lot of bigotry against people who are from Georgia in this thread. How come lefties accuse others of being bigoted when they're like that themselves?

Also, why do some people get so histrionic about native Americans? It's like the Nathan Phillips nonsense all over again. Oh, we must respect him because he's a native American. Well no - he didn't tell the truth about Vietnam, and he didn't tell the truth about what happened.

Again

People innocent do not suddenlly turn tail and attempt to hide their faces, when clearly caught in the act, of mocking this native Indian

Why are you not condemning the women for how they acted?

I have said the man should not have followed and have condemned that.

So why do you continue to excuse the actions of the women?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Why are you so bigoted against women who aren't American Indians?  

Excuse me.  The bigoted southerners started this by picking on the inoffensive Native American, who was minding his own business.  You support them and hence you have worked your way into this position.

You are projecting your own bigoted stance onto others.  

You're supporting a man who harassed four women, so what does that make you? A woman-hater?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Excuse me.  The bigoted southerners started this by picking on the inoffensive Native American, who was minding his own business.  You support them and hence you have worked your way into this position.

You are projecting your own bigoted stance onto others.  

You're supporting a man who harassed four women, so what does that make you?  A woman-hater?

Again

People innocent do not suddenlly turn tail and attempt to hide their faces, when clearly caught in the act, of mocking this native Indian

Why are you not condemning the women for how they acted?

I have said the man should not have followed and have condemned that.

So why do you continue to excuse the actions of the women?

I see that Didge is now behaving like that man did.

So one can only draw one conclusion, as to Rags avoiding ny questions and failing to codemn

That she is inherantly racist towards Native Indians

Can anyone tell me what they saw these women doing?

We should all mellow with age, Raggs.
Especially people of Christian faith.

Turning into a nasty ultra RW witch is not a good look.

As you were ….