Colds, flu and other nasty lurgies...have you had any yet?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

Do you actually know the figures of people that dies each year of colds?

You seriously have no idea on this, but its good, you are actually learning from me and Victor

They don't generally die of colds, they generally die of secondary infections or sepsis.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Having a cold or flu can make you more vulnerable to getting an secondary bacterial infection. This is why people should stay at home when they have a viral infection - and also to prevent them passing it to others.

That is the same with many viral infections, especially towards people that have weakned immune systems. Like peopel that are under going chemo.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They don't generally die of colds, they generally die of secondary infections or sepsis.

You have no idea and just looked up on google

Its embarressing

If you did know, you would explain the differences on ages

You simple read verbatim online

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

You have no idea and just looked up on google

Its embarressing

If you did know, you would explain the differences on ages

You simple read verbatim online

I don't need to look it up, it's common knowledge - except to you apparently.

Didge wrote:If that is what you believe Rags, then so be it.

I will however allow my posts to explain otheriwse

I simple am not going to get drawm into one of your dumb and uneducated arguments

However, you could prove me wrong and show to me you do have an understanding.

So lets help you, what is pneumonia in asthmatics?

Expplain the same with colds and flu?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:If that is what you believe Rags, then so be it.

I will however allow my posts to explain otheriwse

I simple am not going to get drawm into one of your dumb and uneducated arguments

However, you could prove me wrong and show to me you do have an understanding.

So lets help you, what is pneumonia in asthmatics?

Expplain the same with colds and flu?

Pneumonia is inflammation in the lungs, and has a variety of causes. Colds and flu are caused by a variety of viruses. The parainfluenza virus causes cold-like symptoms and can also cause lower respiratory infection.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Pneumonia is inflammation in the lungs, and has a variety of causes. Colds and flu are caused by a variety of viruses. The parainfluenza virus causes cold-like symptoms and can also cause lower respiratory infection.

So it took you 7 minutes to look that up

Now exaplin flu and colds?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

So it took you 7 minutes to look that up

Now exaplin flu and colds?

I didn't look it up, it's common knowledge - to most people anyway, but not you. I just explained - they are both caused by viruses, but not the same virus. Even colds are caused by different viruses. Colds are an upper respiratory infection.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't look it up, it's common knowledge - to most people anyway, but not you. I just explained - they are both caused by viruses, but not the same virus. Even colds are caused by different viruses. Colds are an upper respiratory infection.

Which proves you do not have a clue

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

Which proves you do not have a clue

How so? Do you disagree? If so, please explain why.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

How so? Do you disagree? If so, please explain why.

It took you nearly 10 minutes to answer my point on the differences, for you to reply with one sentence

That proves to me, you had to look this up and you did so verbatim, from the definition

Hence I know you have not got a clue

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

It took you nearly 10 minutes to answer my point on the differences, for you to reply with one sentence

That proves to me, you had to look this up and you did so verbatim, from the definition

Hence I know you have not got a clue

In other words, you don't disagree, you just want an argument. I know the difference without looking it up, and I'm pleased I was able to educate you.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

In other words, you don't disagree, you just want an argument. I know the difference without looking it up, and I'm pleased I was able to educate you.

Actually, I only want you to be honest

Still waiting, your delay, proved, you had to look up what I was talking about

Hence you lied

Now I am going to leave you to stew on that

Night Rags

eddie wrote:I got a bit of a chesty cough/cold when Ben was over in April. Before then I hadnt had a cold for about twenty years, I just don’t get them even when everyone around me has one.

Never had a flu jab, never will.

nicko wrote:Man flue is not permitted now,  the correct term is,

           Person Flue !

eddie wrote:Some people say they have the flu when they just have a cold.

The flu is debilitating and usually has one bedbound for a couple of weeks. A cold is just a cold. Makes you feel crappy but no big deal.

I don’t know why I never get colds. Or sickness bugs. I’ve literally had everyone in my house vomiting and it just bypasses me. Mind you, I’m a clumsy fucker and I’m constantly banging my hand, or leg, or bumping into something.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

The flu jab is only valuable  for the flu (or more than one flu) that the medics have judged to be the strains that are likely to hit that particular year, so I doubt HT's jab from years gone by  would still be protecting her. Different flu strains need different vacines.

Bullshit

Do you know why?

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:



Bullshit

Do you know why?

It isn't bullshit. The flu virus mutates quickly. A vacine that may work on one strain wont necessarily work on another strain, which is why the flu jab doesnt always prevent one catching flu, and which is why people at risk are advised to have a flu jab every year.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

Actually, I only want you to be honest

Still waiting, your delay, proved, you had to look up what I was talking about

Hence you lied

Now I am going to leave you to stew on that

Night Rags

I didn't lie, you're lying. I'm not sitting here waiting on your every word you know. You should have just admitted you know nothing about colds, flu, and pneumonia, and then you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself.

eddie wrote:Some people say they have the flu when they just have a cold.

The flu is debilitating and usually has one bedbound for a couple of weeks. A cold is just a cold. Makes you feel crappy but no big deal.

I don’t know why I never get colds. Or sickness bugs. I’ve literally had everyone in my house vomiting and it just bypasses me. Mind you, I’m a clumsy fucker and I’m constantly banging my hand, or leg, or bumping into something.

Vintage wrote:Didge, yo have a nasty habit of calling me a liar, which to be honest I very much resent and wish you would cease and desist, I am not a liar, I don't see the need to be, anything I put on here is because I have experienced it or because I firmly believe it is so or it is my considered opinion. I am always open to be corrected given the evidence for the last two.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccination/

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

It isn't bullshit. The flu virus mutates quickly. A vacine that may work on one strain wont necessarily work on another strain, which is why the flu jab doesnt always prevent one catching flu, and which is why people at risk are advised to have a flu jab every year.

I was talking about having consistant jabs and again, I have not suffered one for years

Is that not showing how this also helps my immune system to adpat to different strains?

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:Didge, yo have a nasty habit of calling me a liar, which to be honest I very much resent and wish you would cease and desist, I am not a liar, I don't see the need to be, anything I put on here is because I have experienced it or because I firmly believe it is so or it is my considered opinion. I am always open to be corrected given the evidence for the last two.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccination/

No, I have a good habit of questioning people, when they make poor claims. Hence that in no way means I am calling you a liar. It means I am questioning the validity of your claim, being as you may think this is the case, but do not actually know if that is the case. You have no way to confirm your conclusion. Hence people questioning something you cannot confirm, is in no way casting you as a liar. So stop being silly Vintage.  To be honest I was not aware of the baterial pnuemonia jab, but that is irrelevant to my point

As seen in your own link, there is 90 strains and only protects againt 23 of them. So is not very protective at all at 50%, worse case scenario, considering it does not protect against 67 of them, like I stated already. What I questioned is your diagnoses.

If you take offense to that, then seriously, you need to toughen up

So you need to stop and poorly doing so, playing the victim card, Vintage, when questioned on your claims

That is being like a pathetic lefty snowflake. Of which you are northing like, so stop acting like one

Thank you

For a start, you associated your illness, as being flu, which may not be the case, basd on zero evidence, but a perception you formed yourself and not by any medical personel or tests

That is not calling you a liar, but being critical of your reasoning on how you come to such a conclusion

It means, you could easily be mistaken and to be honest, I think you are

So that is not me calling you a liar, but questioning, how on earth you come to a conclusion, without any tests , qualifications, to such a poor conclusion? Even a gp will second guess without tests. What you have done is what many people do poorly all the time. Self diagnosed themselves, when in general they have not got the first clue what is wrong and have come to this poor conclusion by what they have read online. One thing medical professionals will do is advised people to not self diagnosed. It does not mean they are always right, but they will be 99.9 times more right on what is wrong with you, than you your yourself.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:Some people say they have the flu when they just have a cold.

The flu is debilitating and usually has one bedbound for a couple of weeks. A cold is just a cold. Makes you feel crappy but no big deal.

I don’t know why I never get colds. Or sickness bugs. I’ve literally had everyone in my house vomiting and it just bypasses me. Mind you, I’m a clumsy fucker and I’m constantly banging my hand, or leg, or bumping into something.

That is because ,many mothers are able to build up immunities, from when they get this from their children

So in reality, and is why mothers tend to cope better than whimpy men when they contract such viruses.

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I had quinces when i was 18 , and ever since i get a really bad throat when i get a cold , i hate colds as i know i will suffer

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

No, I have a good habit of questioning people, when they make poor claims. Hence that in no way means I am calling you a liar. It means I am questioning the validity of your claim, being as you may think this is the case, but do not actually know if that is the case. You have no way to confirm your conclusion. Hence people questioning something you cannot confirm, is in no way casting you as a liar. So stop being silly Vintage.  To be honest I was not aware of the baterial pnuemonia jab, but that is irrelevant to my point

As seen in your own link, there is 90 strains and only protects againt 23 of them. So is not very protective at all at 50%, worse case scenario, considering it does not protect against 67 of them, like I stated already. What I questioned is your diagnoses.

If you take offense to that, then seriously, you need to toughen up

So you need to stop and poorly doing so, playing the victim card, Vintage, when questioned on your claims

That is being like a pathetic lefty snowflake. Of which you are northing like, so stop acting like one

Thank you

For a start, you associated your illness, as being flu, which may not be the case, basd on zero evidence, but a perception you formed yourself and not by any medical personel or tests

That is not calling you a liar, but being critical of your reasoning on how you come to such a conclusion

It means, you could easily be mistaken and to be honest, I think you are

So that is not me calling you a liar, but questioning, how on earth you come to a conclusion, without any tests , qualifications, to such a poor conclusion? Even a gp will second guess without tests. What you have done is what many people do poorly all the time. Self diagnosed themselves, when in general they have not got the first clue what is wrong and have come to this poor conclusion by what they have read online. One thing medical professionals will do is advised people to not self diagnosed. It does not mean they are always right, but they will be 99.9 times more right on what is wrong with you, than you your yourself.

You could have just apologised for being nasty to Vintage instead of giving her another lecture.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

I was talking about having consistant jabs and again, I have not suffered one for years

Is that not showing how this also helps my immune system to adpat to different strains?

No, it shows that you have a jab for whatever strain is prevalent that year. Syl is right.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I had quinces when i was 18 , and ever since i get a really bad throat when i get a cold , i hate colds as i know i will suffer

I hate colds as well. Just because they're common doesn't mean they're mild. Some people have worse symptom than others - probably because of the way their immune system reacts to the infection.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

That is because ,many mothers are able to build up immunities, from when they get this from their children

So in reality, and is why mothers tend to cope better than whimpy men when they contract such viruses.

Do you have any evidence that mothers are less likely to get flu than anyone else?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

I was talking about having consistant jabs and again, I have not suffered one for years

Is that not showing how this also helps my immune system to adpat to different strains?

No, it shows that you have a jab for whatever strain is prevalent that year. Syl is right.

magica wrote:We went on holiday recently  and all of us came back with a virus. It's like a cold but worse. It goes then comes back constantly. My hub had the flu jab and that hasn't helped him.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:We went on holiday recently  and all of us came back with a virus. It's like a cold but worse. It goes then comes back constantly. My hub had the flu jab and that hasn't helped him.

I think planes are a breeding ground for germs...you probably all caught the virus either going (or preferably) returning.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:


I think planes are a breeding ground for germs...you probably all caught the virus either going (or preferably) returning.

Yet more bull

https://www.insidescience.org/news/studying-how-germs-spread-plane-0

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Yet more bull

https://www.insidescience.org/news/studying-how-germs-spread-plane-0

https://www.businessinsider.com/airplanes-breeding-germs-2011-12?IR=T

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/airplanes-breeding-germs-2011-12?IR=T

I give you a science study and you show me a media article from 7 years ago

Priceless

You get dummy of the year award for that

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:



I give you a science study and you show me a media article from 7 years ago

Priceless

You get dummy of the year award for that

I think your link backs my argument up more than it does yours......

"In addition to breathing in infectious droplets, passengers could be getting sick from touching seat backs, tray tables or faucets in the bathroom. Experts agree that the dirtiest part of an airliner is the tray table, which is why many passengers bring disinfecting tissues and wipe them off. Lavatories are next. Gerba’s studies showed fecal matter on the door handles."

(Inside Science) -- It’s flu season and the passenger four rows behind you is coughing. How likely is that you or other people on the plane will catch the flu?

The answer is: not very.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You could have just apologised for being nasty to Vintage instead of giving her another lecture.

You could of course keep your big nose out of this, when there is nothing to apologise over, but then, you clearly get off on shit stirring rags

You are one person I simple laugh at all the time  

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No, it shows that you have a jab for whatever strain is prevalent that year. Syl is right.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No, it shows that you have a jab for whatever strain is prevalent that year. Syl is right.

So if I have had many jabs and not had flu, what does that tell you?