Ellen Page comes out as gay

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The star of the upcoming X-Men: Days of Future Past made the announcement in a moving and deeply personal speech delivered at Time to THRIVE, a conference to promote the welfare of LGBT youth held at Bally's Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"I’m here today because I am gay," Page, 26, told the audience "And because maybe I can make a difference. To help others have an easier and more hopeful time. Regardless, for me, I feel a personal obligation and a social responsibility."

"I am tired of hiding and I am tired of lying by omission," Page proudly and defiantly declared. "I suffered for years because I was scared to be out. My spirit suffered, my mental health suffered and my relationships suffered. And I’m standing here today, with all of you, on the other side of all that pain."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ellen-page-comes-as-gay-680563

Apparently some here believe this is because of her "extreme ugliness" - https://newsfix.niceboard.com/t2492-gay-is-genetic#37224 - let's have a closer look at that:







So ugly ...

Eilzel wrote:You are now saying you don't understand your own suggestion, I'll simplify:

1. HF says, 'you wouldn't choose to not be gay'
2. (By implication) you, HF, agree that I was already born gay and the choice is to change.
3. The choice to 'not be gay' does not exist for somone who is gay (you said earlier 'if' such a choice existed, it doesn't).
4. You agree people are born gay and that there exists no way to change that.

All your own points

Therefore you concede people are born gay and that there is no known way of changing that.

i have put two different points in, if you claim you were made gay i said no you are not, you chose to be gay, the fact the huge majority are made heterosexual shows gay as abnormal...

it can only leave one of two choices..

you chose to be gay in which case stop whinging about how dificult being gay is..

or gay is a genetic fault in which case it could be mended one day..

then the fact you said you would not take the cure shows you have chosen to be gay.. :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:You are now saying you don't understand your own suggestion, I'll simplify:

1. HF says, 'you wouldn't choose to not be gay'
2. (By implication) you, HF, agree that I was already born gay and the choice is to change.
3. The choice to 'not be gay' does not exist for somone who is gay (you said earlier 'if' such a choice existed, it doesn't).
4. You agree people are born gay and that there exists no way to change that.

All your own points

Therefore you concede people are born gay and that there is no known way of changing that.

i have put two different points in, if you claim you were made gay i said no you are not, you chose to be gay, the fact the huge majority are made heterosexual shows gay as abnormal...

it can only leave one of two choices..

you chose to be gay in which case stop whinging about how dificult being gay is..

or gay is a genetic fault in which case it could be mended one day..

then the fact you said you would not take the cure shows you have chosen to be gay.. :D 

No he's not Heavenly Father.  Why would Les want to change who he is and who he has become?

feelthelove wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i have put two different points in, if you claim you were made gay i said no you are not, you chose to be gay, the fact the huge majority are made heterosexual shows gay as abnormal...

it can only leave one of two choices..

you chose to be gay in which case stop whinging about how dificult being gay is..

or gay is a genetic fault in which case it could be mended one day..

then the fact you said you would not take the cure shows you have chosen to be gay.. :D 

No he's not Heavenly Father.  Why would Les want to change who he is and who he has become?

he said if he could be normal he would still chose to be gay it is that simple..

heavenly father wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

No he's not Heavenly Father.  Why would Les want to change who he is and who he has become?

he said if he could be normal he would still chose to be gay it is that simple..

Yes at this point in his life and why wouldn't he? He's healthy, happy, has a BF he loves and his whole life ahead of him.  Why would he want to give all of that up just to conform with what your idea of normal might be?!

You are twisting his words

feelthelove wrote:

heavenly father wrote:


he said if he could be normal he would still chose to be gay it is that simple..

Yes at this point in his life and why wouldn't he? He's healthy, happy, has a BF he loves and his whole life ahead of him.  Why would he want to give all of that up just to conform with what your idea of normal might be?!

You are twisting his words

the numbers show clearly what normal is not me, if gays complain about how difficult their life is and they wouldn't cure it it shows its a choice.. :D 

heavenly father wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Yes at this point in his life and why wouldn't he? He's healthy, happy, has a BF he loves and his whole life ahead of him.  Why would he want to give all of that up just to conform with what your idea of normal might be?!

You are twisting his words

the numbers show clearly what normal is not me, if gays complain about how difficult their life is and they wouldn't cure it it shows its a choice.. :D 

Yes, the choice not to deny who they are; great isn't it

feelthelove wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

the numbers show clearly what normal is not me, if gays complain about how difficult their life is and they wouldn't cure it it shows its a choice.. :D 

Yes, the choice not to deny who they are; great isn't it

no the choice of being normal... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Yes, the choice not to deny who they are; great isn't it

no the choice of being normal... :D 

You've got some funny ideas Heavenly Father, perhaps you're not normal   Normal is overrated in any event, we should embrace individuality and the freedom to be who we are

Feelthelove Father!

feelthelove wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

no the choice of being normal... :D 

You've got some funny ideas Heavenly Father, perhaps you're not normal   Normal is overrated in any event, we should embrace individuality and the freedom to be who we are

Feelthelove Father!

normal is what it is, individuality still exists within normal, it is hard to argue with the statistics on gays compared to normal. :D 

You are just upset now I've crippled your argument; HF "oh fuck he's right! Erm erm well erm it's still not normal anyway so nah nah!" Pmsl

Eilzel wrote:You are just upset now I've crippled your argument; HF "oh fuck he's right! Erm erm well erm it's still not normal anyway so nah nah!" Pmsl

crippled my argument..lol...you've been listening to didge for his debate techniques, the art of debating without debating..lol..

Eilzel wrote:You are just upset now I've crippled your argument; HF "oh fuck he's right! Erm erm well erm it's still not normal anyway so nah nah!" Pmsl

nah nah?! I've a smiley for that Sorry Heavenly Father, couldn't resist

heavenly father wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

heavenly father wrote:


he said if he could be normal he would still chose to be gay it is that simple..

Yes at this point in his life and why wouldn't he? He's healthy, happy, has a BF he loves and his whole life ahead of him.  Why would he want to give all of that up just to conform with what your idea of normal might be?!

You are twisting his words

the numbers show clearly what normal is not me, if gays complain about how difficult their life is and they wouldn't cure it it shows its a choice.. :D 

So we're talking numbers here? Numbers determine what is normal and what is not; so big numbers are "more normal" and small numbers are "less normal." OK:

* It's not normal to be white; only one in four people in the world have white skin.

* It's not normal to have blue eyes; only eight percent of the global population have blue eyes.

* Only one to two percent of the world population has red hair.

* 80 percent of the world lives in substandard housing; it's abnormal to have a structurally sound, modern house.

* Having internet access is quite abnormal, as only eight percent of the world is online.

* Just one in three would be a Christian; being a Christian is relatively abnormal.

I hope you see how pointless it is to try to define "normal" by percentages. This whole debate should be on the effect upon society, whether positive or negative, rather than upon deciding that majorities constitute normalcy and that minorities are abnormal.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

the numbers show clearly what normal is not me, if gays complain about how difficult their life is and they wouldn't cure it it shows its a choice.. :D 

So we're talking numbers here? Numbers determine what is normal and what is not; so big numbers are "more normal" and small numbers are "less normal." OK:

* It's not normal to be white; only one in four people in the world have white skin.

* It's not normal to have blue eyes; only eight percent of the global population have blue eyes.

* Only one to two percent of the world population has red hair.

* 80 percent of the world lives in substandard housing; it's abnormal to have a structurally sound, modern house.

* Having internet access is quite abnormal, as only eight percent of the world is online.

* Just one in three would be a Christian; being a Christian is relatively abnormal.

I hope you see how pointless it is to try to define "normal" by percentages. This whole debate should be on the effect upon society, whether positive or negative, rather than upon deciding that majorities constitute normalcy and that minorities are abnormal.

don't numbers dictate the norm then.... :D 

what does.... :D 

Why don't you counter his point; rather than making throwaway comments? Or is actual debate beyond you?

Eilzel wrote:Why don't you counter his point; rather than making throwaway comments? Or is actual debate beyond you?

I just did, perhaps your to abnormal to notice... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Why don't you counter his point; rather than making throwaway comments? Or is actual debate beyond you?

I just did, perhaps your to abnormal to notice... :D 

I just showed that if you go by numbers, a white guy with a decent home, blue eyes and an internet connection -- which is a good general description of yours truly, Ben_Reilly -- would be quite abnormal. So no, you can't use numbers to demonstrate what's "normal" in any genuine sense, because where I live I'm totally "normal."

You need to come up with a better critique of homosexual behavior than saying that "it's not normal," because it's not "normal," going by the numbers, to be a lot of things that we consider perfectly "normal."

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Why don't you counter his point; rather than making throwaway comments? Or is actual debate beyond you?

I just did, perhaps your to abnormal to notice... :D 

'you're', 'too'.

I don't care much for a stupid bigot calling me abnormal; from someone of intelligence it might have an effect but not you.

However if you are going to call me abnormal then be aware it just looks silly if your spelling is like that of a child- I don't care for the whole 'grammar police' routine normally but in this case it seemed apt   

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I just did, perhaps your to abnormal to notice... :D 

'you're', 'too'.

I don't care much for a stupid bigot calling me abnormal; from someone of intelligence it might have an effect but not you.

However if you are going to call me abnormal then be aware it just looks silly if your spelling is like that of a child-  I don't care for the whole 'grammar police' routine normally but in this case it seemed apt   

people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

'you're', 'too'.

I don't care much for a stupid bigot calling me abnormal; from someone of intelligence it might have an effect but not you.

However if you are going to call me abnormal then be aware it just looks silly if your spelling is like that of a child-  I don't care for the whole 'grammar police' routine normally but in this case it seemed apt   

people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... :D 

Nope; that would be bloody.

Why did she feel the need to tell the world about her sexuality?.....Is she a pervert?

Shady wrote:Why did she feel the need to tell the world about her sexuality?.....Is she  a pervert?

lol...good point..i think its more about publicity..

heavenly father wrote:

Shady wrote:Why did she feel the need to tell the world about her sexuality?.....Is she  a pervert?

lol...good point..i think its more about publicity..

Role model.

heavenly father wrote:

Shady wrote:Why did she feel the need to tell the world about her sexuality?.....Is she  a pervert?

lol...good point..i think its more about publicity..

"I’m here today because I am gay," Page, 26, told the audience "And because maybe I can make a difference. To help others have an easier and more hopeful time. Regardless, for me, I feel a personal obligation and a social responsibility."

"I am tired of hiding and I am tired of lying by omission," Page proudly and defiantly declared. "I suffered for years because I was scared to be out. My spirit suffered, my mental health suffered and my relationships suffered. And I’m standing here today, with all of you, on the other side of all that pain."

Maybe if you two teamed up you could learn how to read? I know it seems challenging, but just take baby steps!

If HF believes gay is a lifestyle choice how does he explain gay animals?

NemsAgain wrote:If HF believes gay is a lifestyle choice how does he explain gay animals?

misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:If HF believes gay is a lifestyle choice how does he explain gay animals?

misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

So you think God is flawed?

NemsAgain wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

So you think God is flawed?

no not at all...things in creation act as they see fit, God doesn't produce robots.

heavenly father wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

So you think God is flawed?

no not at all...things in creation act as they see fit, God doesn't produce robots.

so is it misfits and anomalies or acting as they see fit?

heavenly father wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

So you think God is flawed?

no not at all...things in creation act as they see fit, God doesn't produce robots.

You miss the main point though- does an animal, let's say a penguin- also CHOOSE to be gay?   

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

no not at all...things in creation act as they see fit, God doesn't produce robots.

You miss the main point though- does an animal, let's say a penguin- also CHOOSE to be gay?   

as i said misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

You miss the main point though- does an animal, let's say a penguin- also CHOOSE to be gay?   

as i said misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

Whatever- do penguins CHOOSE to be that way?

heavenly father wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

So you think God is flawed?

no not at all...things in creation act as they see fit, God doesn't produce robots.

Yes he did!

He invented the RW and the RW press!

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

as i said misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

Whatever- do penguins CHOOSE to be that way?

i think i just said abnormalities and misfits occur in all species... :D 

of course if you are comparing gays to animals i can see your point... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Whatever- do penguins CHOOSE to be that way?

i think i just said abnormalities and misfits occur in all species... :D 

of course if you are comparing gays to animals i can see your point... :D 

No; allow me to point out the obvious here. An animal doesn't 'choose' since its brain is nowhere near as advanced as that of a human. We are all animals HF whether you like it or not. And no animal chooses its sexuality.

Nems introduced a great killer to your argument- and again you failed to explain how it doesn't destroy your argument. Today has not been good for the 'choice' view at all has it   

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

as i said misfits and abnormalities occur in all species... :D 

Whatever- do penguins CHOOSE to be that way?

i think i just said abnormalities and misfits occur in all species... :D 

of course if you are comparing gays to animals i can see your point... :D 

No, first you said that there are all kinds of misfits and abnormalities in "God's" creation; then you completely contradicted yourself by saying that "God" gave penguins the free will to choose to be gay. You're really all over the place, but I would expect nothing less from someone who hasn't figured out yet that his parents lied to him ...

Catman wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

lol...good point..i think its more about publicity..

Role model.

What...a role model because she's a pervert?

Shady wrote:

Catman wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

lol...good point..i think its more about publicity..

Role model.

What...a role model because she's a pervert?

No, a role model because she doesn't let fear of troglodytes like you define who she is.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

What...a role model because she's a pervert?

No, a role model because she doesn't let fear of troglodytes like you define who she is.

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

Shady you will never ever understand how for young gay people seeing someone famous 'come out' emboldens them to be themselves to those they love in a society which at times remains stubbornly reluctant to fully embrace gay people- especially in certain parts of America but also Europe too including the UK.

As I say you will never understand- just make the same noises you always do at stories like this.

Shady wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

What...a role model because she's a pervert?

No, a role model because she doesn't let fear of troglodytes like you define who she is.

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

Order!

Order!

  

Catman wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

Order!

Order!

  

Continue   

Eilzel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Order!

Order!

  

Continue   

You are the speaker, so i concur, not to carry on!

 

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

I love it when you speak dirty Benny Hill.But you kind of shot yourself in the foot & contradicted your own message........She told the world her business by revealing that she's gay........so people stuck their noses into her life.

Or do you think that in this day & age no one will comment about her revelation? Ever heard of Twitter have you Benny?

Dear me,I just don't know how long I can hold this sucker of a site up for.

Eilzel wrote:Shady you will never ever understand how for young gay people seeing someone famous 'come out' emboldens them to be themselves to those they love in a society which at times remains stubbornly reluctant to fully embrace gay people- especially in certain parts of America but also Europe too including the UK.

As I say you will never understand- just make the same noises you always do at stories like this.

Oh I understand Eilzel but they don't all need role models to embolden themselves.Many people uncluding homosexuals have enough metal to live their lives without following role models.It's called self motivation Eilzel.It's called self discipline Eilzel.It's called self belief Eilzel.

As a straight guy,I've never needed to follow a straight role model as I just got on with my life & never looked for excuses to moan about sweet FA.

You ought to try it someday......as you'd probably be surprised at how strong a person you are.

Shady wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

I love it when you speak dirty Benny Hill.But you kind of shot yourself in the foot & contradicted your own message........She told the world her business by revealing that she's gay........so people stuck their noses into her life.

Or do you think that in this day & age no one will comment about her revelation? Ever heard of Twitter have you Benny?

Dear me,I just don't know how long I can hold this sucker of a site up for.

Sure, she never experienced fear of what people like you do to gay people before coming out because she had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how people like you treat gay people until she herself came out.

How can you live being that much of a moron!

Shady wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Shady you will never ever understand how for young gay people seeing someone famous 'come out' emboldens them to be themselves to those they love in a society which at times remains stubbornly reluctant to fully embrace gay people- especially in certain parts of America but also Europe too including the UK.

As I say you will never understand- just make the same noises you always do at stories like this.

Oh I understand Eilzel but they don't all need role models to embolden themselves.Many people uncluding homosexuals have enough metal to live their lives without following role models.It's called self motivation Eilzel.It's called self discipline Eilzel.It's called self belief Eilzel.

As a straight guy,I've never needed to follow a straight role model as I just got on with my life & never looked for excuses to moan about sweet FA.

You ought to try it someday......as you'd probably be surprised at how strong a person you are.

Reason being, you are a straight white male, so haven't been discriminated against, on the basis of you being a straight, white male you fucking racist and homophobic idiot.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

having trouble sticking to our own rules are we... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Oh I see what you mean....So she's told the world that she is gay & you feel the automatic need to worship her.

Ahhhhhhh.Marvellous.....So like the rest,you are mindless auto-mata?Yes?

No, you idiotic piece of shit, she told the world she was gay and thus opened herself up to the hatred of idiotic pieces of shit such as yourself, and such courage could provide other people inspiration to stand up to the hateful idiotic pieces of shit in their own lives who keep sticking their noses into that which isn't their business.

having trouble sticking to our own rules are we... :D 

No, dumbass. There is no rule against calling someone a dumbass, an idiotic piece of shit, a troglodyte bastard, a waste of oxygen, etc. You'd know that if you were smarter :D