Should E cig users be allowed to vape on buses, trains and in their workplace?

gelico wrote:

my hubby used to come home after a hard days graft having been sweating during the day.....i found it a huge turn on......salty taste

am i some sort of sicko

Syl wrote:

gelico wrote:

my hubby used to come home after a hard days graft having been sweating during the day.....i found it a huge turn on......salty taste

am i some sort of sicko

No you are not Gels.....the human body (when it's someone we love) is a delight.....no matter how it smells. (farts and bad breath being the obvious exceptions)

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:


No you are not Gels.....the human body (when it's someone we love) is a delight.....no matter how it smells. (farts and bad breath being the obvious exceptions)

Well...I've heard some people like the aroma of their own farts.  

Could be they are the narcissists of the world.

Eilzel wrote:Not one person has suggested that sweat cannot be arousing.
Not one person has said they hate homeless people if they smell.

Most here would probably support finding cleaner alternatives to drivel fuel guzzling cars but like any reasonable grown up, accepts that for now many people DO need to drive cars to get to certain places.

None of the above can be compared to smoking cigarettes, which is nothing more than a dirty addiction that harms both the smoker and those around them.

Any ridiculous comparison to cars driving, homeless people or sweat is just that - ridiculous.

"A coincidence of conversation, leads to a confusion of concepts."

Original Quill wrote:There is an old alliteration that is appropriate to didge's reasoning powers:

"A coincidence of terms, leads to a confusion of concepts."

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:There is an old alliteration that is appropriate to didge's reasoning powers:

"A coincidence of conversation, leads to a confusion of concepts."

When all else fails to the left they attack the poster and not the points

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

When all else fails to the left they attack the poster and not the points

Well, it's not exactly you, but your errors in reasoning.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Well, it's not exactly you, but your errors in reasoning.

Still talking about me

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

Still talking about me

You brought it up.  Personally, I'd rather talk about your errors in reasoning.  

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You brought it up.  Personally, I'd rather talk about your errors in reasoning.  

Well I have zero interest in your delusions

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Not one person has suggested that sweat cannot be arousing.
Not one person has said they hate homeless people if they smell.

Most here would probably support finding cleaner alternatives to drivel fuel guzzling cars but like any reasonable grown up, accepts that for now many people DO need to drive cars to get to certain places.

None of the above can be compared to smoking cigarettes, which is nothing more than a dirty addiction that harms both the smoker and those around them.

Any ridiculous comparison to cars driving, homeless people or sweat is just that - ridiculous.

You and others argued off the smell when there are lots of unpleasant smells. You went off possible harm and I easily showed ars are hugely ore harmfful

Its only ridiulous to hyporites. I easily compared them ,but you still do not want to ban cars in cities a major pollutant You just want to impose your intolerant views on others.

most people do not need cars that is a copletely fallacy and why countless people are overwieght

Its my choice to smoke in public not some militant bigot demand that I should respect his intolerant views

Respect is earned

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

You and others argued off the smell when there are lots of unpleasant smells. You went off possible harm and I easily showed ars are hugely ore harmfful

Its only ridiulous to hyporites. I easily compared them ,but you still do not want to ban cars in cities a major pollutant You just want to impose your intolerant views on others.

most people do not need cars that is a copletely fallacy and why countless people are overwieght

Its my choice to smoke in public not some militant bigot demand that I should respect his intolerant views

Respect is earned

Most smokers want to stop smoking, thats the whole point of many using E cigs, they are trying to wean themselves off the more harmful tobacco but still need the sensation and ritual of putting something in their mouths and drawing in.

Is that why you are so angry sometimes Didge, do you want to pack in smoking but just cant find the willpower?

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

Most smokers want to stop smoking, thats the whole point of many using E cigs, they are trying to wean themselves off the more harmful tobacco but still need the sensation and ritual of putting something in their mouths and drawing in.

Is that why you are so angry sometimes Didge, do you want to pack in smoking but just cant find the willpower?

Still talking about me again

I have zero interest in giving up

Didge wrote:Still talking about me again

I have zero interest in giving up

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Still talking about me again

I have zero interest in giving up

Just putting a valid point into the discussion Didge.
Many people are frustrated at their lack of success when they try to give up smoking.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

Just putting a valid point into the discussion Didge.
Many people are frustrated at their lack of success when they try to give up smoking.

Its my choice over what I do with my own body

eddie wrote:I smoke, sometimes ecigs but mostly roll ups. I don’t smoke much out in public unless I’m drinking alcohol.
Strangely, I can go all day, until evening, before even having a roll up or joint.

I never understood the smoking ban - and I’d given up for a few years when that came about - yet I still thought it was stupid.

Perhaps in restaurants and places of eating, I can understand the ban (unless dining outside), but no one should be told what they can do outside in a public area in regards to smoking.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Its my choice over what I do with my own body

Of course it is, no one is denying that, but hospital wards are full of people who do things to their bodies that they wish they hadn't.
Habits are hard to break.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

Of course it is, no one is denying that, but hospital wards are full of people who do things to their bodies that they wish they hadn't.
Habits are hard to break.

Which is there choice, not yours. They still made a choice to do so.

I love smoking pot, I know the risks but would rather live a life enjoyed, shortened. Than one boring and longer

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Which is there choice, not yours. They still made a choice to do so.

I love smoking pot, I know the risks but would rather live a life enjoyed, shortened. Than one boring and longer

Well pot is less harmful that normal cigs so they say.

And I agree its your choice, but odd that you would think the life of a pot smoker would be more enjoyable and less boring  than someone who doesnt smoke pot.
Thats about as judgmental as anything I have read in this thread.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

Well pot is less harmful that normal cigs so they say.

And I agree its your choice, but odd that you would think the life of a pot smoker would be more enjoyable and less boring  than someone who doesnt smoke pot.
Thats about as judgmental as anything I have read in this thread.

Its no less harmful

Well have you ever smoked pot?

You said no, so how would you possible know if it could be enjoyable or not for you?

Again I smoke away from people anyway. To place designated areas in public, is to me intolerance

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Its no less harmful

Well have you ever smoked pot?

You said no, so how would you possible know if it could be enjoyable or not for you?

Again I smoke away from people anyway. To place designated areas in public, is to me intolerance

I have never smoked it, I used to smoke cigarettes in a previous life and they were bad enough.

My life is anything but boring, I doubt smoking anything would enhance it.....but if people enjoy smoking pot (and I know plenty who do) good for them.

gelico wrote:i smoke and i vape

if i am at a bus stop i will move away in the same direction as the wind is blowing in order not to evelope people in second hand smoke.  to me it would be utterly disrespectful to stand in a crowd of people and vape.  i do not support it being allowed in public places, such as restaurants etc, mostly because of the lack of research into the effects of them. first hand or second hand,  it is so unfair on those who dont smoke.

just a matter of common courtesy

Syl wrote:

gelico wrote:i smoke and i vape

if i am at a bus stop i will move away in the same direction as the wind is blowing in order not to evelope people in second hand smoke.  to me it would be utterly disrespectful to stand in a crowd of people and vape.  i do not support it being allowed in public places, such as restaurants etc, mostly because of the lack of research into the effects of them. first hand or second hand,  it is so unfair on those who dont smoke.

just a matter of common courtesy

I agree, have a .
Its just common sense, there is room for everyone in this world, as long as people dont try to thrust their habits onto someone  else and consider others as well as themselves, there would be no dispute. …(and this thread would have been a lot shorter too)

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

I agree, have a .
Its just common sense, there is room for everyone in this world, as long as people dont try to thrust their habits onto someone  else and consider others as well as themselves, there would be no dispute. …(and this thread would have been a lot shorter too)

I agree, but you want to stop people smoking outside at cafes and restaurants, which I think is unreasonable. If they were there first, why should they stop because of you? If they go there regularly and you only go once or twice, why should they stop smoking for you? You tend to find that smokers go to regular places and have done for ages, and they avoid other places because they don't feel comfortable smoking there, even outside. You need to find one of those places if you don't like people smoking outside.

gelico wrote:i smoke and i vape

if i am at a bus stop i will move away in the same direction as the wind is blowing in order not to evelope people in second hand smoke.  to me it would be utterly disrespectful to stand in a crowd of people and vape.  i do not support it being allowed in public places, such as restaurants etc, mostly because of the lack of research into the effects of them. first hand or second hand,  it is so unfair on those who dont smoke.

just a matter of common courtesy

Raggamuffin wrote:If they were there first, why should they stop because of you?

Australia Government banned smoking in the workplace (though not in hospitality workplaces) in 1997, in enclosed public places in 1999, and in indoor restaurants, bars, and clubs in 2006. September 2010 saw the prohibition of smoking in outdoor eating and drinking areas come into effect.

eddie wrote:I think if something makes you happy you’re gonna keep doing it.  I’ve been a sometime smoker, a social smoker, a heavy smoker and a non-smoker.

I smoke because I like it, simple, and I’ll stop if and when I want to.

Eating crap is the most harm you can do your body and we all do that. Every single day.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

eddie wrote:I think if something makes you happy you’re gonna keep doing it.  I’ve been a sometime smoker, a social smoker, a heavy smoker and a non-smoker.

I smoke because I like it, simple, and I’ll stop if and when I want to.

Eating crap is the most harm you can do your body and we all do that. Every single day.

You might like eaating "crap" every day,  eddie  --  but many of us prefer to eat proper and relatively healthy food...

I've seen a grandmother, an aunty, and an uncle or two die as a direct result of cigarette smoking..

I have yet to see anybody die from a simple and healthy diet.

Eilzel wrote:

gelico wrote:i smoke and i vape

if i am at a bus stop i will move away in the same direction as the wind is blowing in order not to evelope people in second hand smoke.  to me it would be utterly disrespectful to stand in a crowd of people and vape.  i do not support it being allowed in public places, such as restaurants etc, mostly because of the lack of research into the effects of them. first hand or second hand,  it is so unfair on those who dont smoke.

just a matter of common courtesy

If only all smokers were as considerate as you

gelico wrote:

maybe take away food should be banned on buses

recently i got on a bus and someone was chowing down kfc or some such, about halfway down there was a mcdonalds fest going on and at the back some woman was chowing down on some chinese noodle type dish.

eeeh Gads!  i was heaving all the way home

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

gelico wrote:i smoke and i vape

if i am at a bus stop i will move away in the same direction as the wind is blowing in order not to evelope people in second hand smoke.  to me it would be utterly disrespectful to stand in a crowd of people and vape.  i do not support it being allowed in public places, such as restaurants etc, mostly because of the lack of research into the effects of them. first hand or second hand,  it is so unfair on those who dont smoke.

just a matter of common courtesy

If only all smokers were as considerate as you

Honestly, and I know it’s not the same thing, but I wish people would stop driving short distances in their big, guzzling cars. I wish people would wash before getting on my bus. I wish people didn’t choke me with their perfume (seriously!). I wish people who worked in cafes realised that milk is vile and I don’t want to drink it so offer me an alternative.

Blah blah.

Jesus, you know how stuffy and unrelenting and spoiled some of you sound?

And you know that people that have that spoiled and unrelenting way about them will always find something that “upsets” them?


I was a non-smoker for years. I didn’t like smoke around me - I still don’t if I’m not smoking - but I just sinpky accepted that we aren’t all the same and the world doesn’t turn because I say so.  

And btw, this thread was about Ecigs.
STEAM EVAPORATES LEAVING NO TRACE.

bunch of sensitive little babies.

eddie wrote:Honestly, and I know it’s not the same thing, but I wish people would stop driving short distances in their big, guzzling cars. I wish people would wash before getting on my bus. I wish people didn’t choke me with their perfume (seriously!). I wish people who worked in cafes realised that milk is vile and I don’t want to drink it so offer me an alternative.

Blah blah.

Jesus, you know how stuffy and unrelenting and spoiled some of you sound?

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

If only all smokers were as considerate as you

Honestly, and I know it’s not the same thing, but I wish people would stop driving short distances in their big, guzzling cars. I wish people would wash before getting on my bus. I wish people didn’t choke me with their perfume (seriously!). I wish people who worked in cafes realised that milk is vile and I don’t want to drink it so offer me an alternative.

Blah blah.

Jesus, you know how stuffy and unrelenting and spoiled some of you sound?

And you know that people that have that spoiled and unrelenting way about them will always find something that “upsets” them?


I was a non-smoker for years. I didn’t like smoke around me - I still don’t if I’m not smoking - but I just sinpky accepted that we aren’t all the same and the world doesn’t turn because I say so.  

And btw, this thread was about Ecigs.
STEAM EVAPORATES LEAVING NO TRACE.

bunch of sensitive little babies.

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Honestly, and I know it’s not the same thing, but I wish people would stop driving short distances in their big, guzzling cars. I wish people would wash before getting on my bus. I wish people didn’t choke me with their perfume (seriously!). I wish people who worked in cafes realised that milk is vile and I don’t want to drink it so offer me an alternative.

Blah blah.

Jesus, you know how stuffy and unrelenting and spoiled some of you sound?

And you know that people that have that spoiled and unrelenting way about them will always find something that “upsets” them?


I was a non-smoker for years. I didn’t like smoke around me - I still don’t if I’m not smoking - but I just sinpky accepted that we aren’t all the same and the world doesn’t turn because I say so.  

And btw, this thread was about Ecigs.
STEAM EVAPORATES LEAVING NO TRACE.

bunch of sensitive little babies.

As bad as those things you mention are, none of them are actually harmful.

Smoking is, and not just for the smoker.

Ecigs are just disgusting even if not harmful (so far as we know). They still set a bad example though. And sorry but smoking them around people is inconsiderate.

If you think objecting to it makes people sensitive babies then so be it. I do recall you make a thing of people spitting once, about how disgusting it is. And I agree. But I'd rather be out in public around someone who spits now and then to someone who smokes around people.

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Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

Honestly, and I know it’s not the same thing, but I wish people would stop driving short distances in their big, guzzling cars. I wish people would wash before getting on my bus. I wish people didn’t choke me with their perfume (seriously!). I wish people who worked in cafes realised that milk is vile and I don’t want to drink it so offer me an alternative.

Blah blah.

Jesus, you know how stuffy and unrelenting and spoiled some of you sound?

And you know that people that have that spoiled and unrelenting way about them will always find something that “upsets” them?


I was a non-smoker for years. I didn’t like smoke around me - I still don’t if I’m not smoking - but I just sinpky accepted that we aren’t all the same and the world doesn’t turn because I say so.  

And btw, this thread was about Ecigs.
STEAM EVAPORATES LEAVING NO TRACE.

bunch of sensitive little babies.

+1

You are dealing with hyporites

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:
+1

You are dealing with hyporites

You smokers always stick together.

Didge wrote:Anyway Syl, you are an ex-smoker who tend to be the most anti-smokers...

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Anyway Syl, you are an ex-smoker who tend to be the most anti-smokers...

This isn't about Syl...

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

You smokers always stick together.

Gelico has been very neutral here..

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Anyway Syl, you are an ex-smoker who tend to be the most anti-smokers...

This isn't about Syl...