Spiderman who scaled four storeys to save a child dangling from a balcony is invited to the Elysee Palace by President Macron as Paris mayor promises to help the Malian immigrant settle in France

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[*]Child seen outside apartment on Rue Marx-Dormoy while 'father was shopping'
[*]Neighbour tried to reach child from adjacent balcony in 18th arrondissement
[*]Mamoudou Gassama, 22, then scaled the block in 30 seconds to rescue boy 
[*]He has been invited to visit President Emmanuel Macron at the Elysee Palace




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Didge... if the distance between each floor was 4.5 metres... then the 'climber' would not have been able to reach far enough to climb the floors!!!





Make your mind up which bit of this highly implausible story you think is true...!!!???

Tommy, please show me at least three credible news links that say the toddler fell from two floors above the actual balcony he was dangling from.

I was under the impression he climbed over the balcony that he was seen dangling from.

"...The little boy fell out of the window of his sixth-floor apartment but managed to grip on to the ledge of a balcony below..."


Widely reported few days ago...

I asked you for three credible links that support that claim. That’s all I did. If I were making the point that you’re making, I’d probably go off and find them.
I’m the only one listening dude, so here’s your chance, because if that child did fall two floors and managed to hang on to a passing balcony mid-flight, then I think that’s a possible question mark over the story, that’s worth looking in to.

'...Paris balcony boy family thank Mali 'Spiderman' Mamoudou Gassama ... The father lived on the sixth-floor of the building in northern Paris...'


www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44287494


'...Alfred told CNN Tuesday that the father and son lived on the sixth floor...'

http://www.google.com/url?q=https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/29/europe/paris-spiderman-rescue-pokemon-go-intl/index.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjK4Z_nirvbAhVMaFAKHQuKA6kQFggTMAY&usg=AOvVaw18Gt9hO_BAQijoVJp8HGTM


'...According to BFM TV, the boy had fallen from the balcony of his father's sixth floor...'

The telegraph


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/28/france-hails-heroism-spiderman-migrant-scaled-paris-building/

Thank you. I’ll take a look.

Even didge posted a link that confirmed the child allegedly fell from a floor above...


It has been widely reported...


And if you search google you will still find entries of such story...

Okay, then that, I do find a questionable.

But you see, if you question a story that everyone believes, which I think I still do too btw, then you bring up something that’s a bit “Ooooh, yeah, that is a bit odd!” then it makes people have to question the whole story. And people don’t like to have to revisit their opinions really.

I’m going to read some stuff that I find on my own and I’ll get back to you.

It’s not impossible I guess, for a child of that age to somehow have grabbed a balcony by fluke perhaps, but it’s not very probable.

I still need to understand the reason behind why you think it was faked, though. Because that, I don’t see.

Anyone have any explanation for a child being able to grab a balcony as he’s falling?
As far as I can see, it’s difficult.

Tumbleweeds Eddie...


Seems nobody can explain that so believable event that defies the laws of physics...!


But what about this too...?


The child allegedly fell from a window on the 6th... onto the OUTSIDE of the balcony on the 4th... see my illustration below...


I          
}     ------------- window on 6th
I     _____________ level of floor of 6th
I
}     ------------- window on 5th
I     _____________ level of floor of 5th
I
I     ------------- patio style window of 4th
I_____J  _________ level of floor on 4th and level of balcony  
I
I     ------------- 3rd floor - as of 4th
I_____J
I
I      ------------ 2nd floor etc
I_____J
I
I
I_____J
I


Surely if child fell from 6th floor above window... suggesting window at vertical level of rest of building... not from edge of balcony above... then child would have fallen straight down onto the ground on the inside of the balcony on 5th floor (if there is a balcony on 5t) or straight down to ground of balcony on 4th floor... not fallen away from building towards the outside of balcony on the 4th...!?


Also if you use the calculation of the downward speed the child would have reached from falling from the height of over 6 metres from above, to the point of impact on the balcony ground surface on 4th... he would have been going at speed of around 25mph at time of impact on 4th floor balcony...


Same impact force as being hit by a car at 25mph...!!!



Still believe the official story???

It looks odd, that’s for sure. Perhaps someone else can explain it.

The truth always stands up to scrutiny, in its entirety...!!!


Bullshit always falls apart...!!!

Yes but you do only seem to question “Muslim” threads.

See my post to you on the other Muslim thread.

eddie wrote:Anyone have any explanation for a child being able to grab a balcony as he’s falling?
As far as I can see, it’s difficult.

Its very easy to answer Eddie

Is it impossible for the child to grab hold, when falling?

The answer is no

You could do this 10 times and out of ten all it would take is one time holding for the child to hold

Maybe it would take a hundred times or a thousand, but the reality is the child could be able to grab hold

That is all it takes. So yes it would be difficult, but not impossible. The natural instinct for anyone is to reach out with arms to grab hold. He managed this and he was injured doing so. Tommy incorrectly says the child is holding onto the floor. He is not, he is holding onto the barrier of that floor. Which is higher than the floor. He is second guessing also how the child fell, never witnessing this and again trying to make his paranoia fit

He added: 'The boy was very brave as he had fallen from the floor above, before catching the balcony just below

‘The little lad was bleeding from the toes, and had lost a nail,’ the neighbour told Le Parisien newspaper.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5781689/Boy-4-saved-Spider-Man-hero-Paris-fallen-15ft-floor-ABOVE.html

All it shows is Tommy's extreme paranoia

Where does he keep getting this 6 meters distance he fell from, which he has invented out of thin air also?

He went from claiming reflection disparities, which I easily refuted. To now news disparities in the number of floors, which his own links like the telegrath agree with me he fell one floor

As seen, Tommy is the one inventing things as he goes along

According to BFM TV, the boy had fallen from the balcony of his father’s sixth floor flat to the floor below and had somehow managed to cling on until Mr Gassama came to his rescue.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/28/france-hails-heroism-spiderman-migrant-scaled-paris-building/

What you do not see in most video's is the ground or what is the first floor. That maybe where the confusion is. On how the on whether the ground floor is being counted as the first floor. You like I say do not see the ground/flirst floor in most of the videos. You do in this video briefly



I mean even Tommy diflects further around me saying 4.5 meters between the floors, being as the hero has to climb up on each balcony barrier to then grab hold up onto the next ledge. Its more desperation from Tommy. I may even be wrong on the distance, but this is all he desperately clings too. Trying to find a disparity to make his paranoia fit. We can see the hero has to climb each barried and then reach up to grab the floor ledge, swing up and pull himself up. Climb that barrier and the process is repeated

The neighbour says the child fell from the floor above

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5781689/Boy-4-saved-Spider-Man-hero-Paris-fallen-15ft-floor-ABOVE.html

So there is only one disparity with the BBC link, which comes from the concierge, which the could be inaccurate, or the BBC got it wrong

That is it, but again is basically irrelevant

What Tommy has to prove, is that it would be impossible for the child to grab hold

He has failed to do that

I mean as you can see here a child fell from two floors up and guess what survived

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3401978/Horrifying-moment-14-month-old-Brazilian-toddler-falls-second-floor-window-immediately-gets-walks-away-just-scrapes-bruises.html

Or this great fall by a child

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3574118/Autistic-girl-7-survives-falling-four-stories.html

Or this one

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-survives-7-story-fall-boston-massachusetts/

Or this one



So it proves Tommy's claim on speed, which is again inaccurate, does not hold up to scrutiny. As these children fell further and faster. Than the child that fell one floor in the OP story

Of which again does not matter. What matters, is whether it would be impossible for the child to grab on to a barrier on the balcony ledge

He has failed to prove that. All he did qas question if this could happen and as seen it can happen

So I ask him again, show me scientifically whether it would be impossible for the child to hold on to the barrier of the floor below on its balcony?

I have asked this many times, and he has failed to provide a scientific answer. As he is making the claim its impossible. Hence the onus is on him to scientifically prove its impossible

Hence why Tommy has consistantly avoided this question and he knows he cannot disprove it. He wants to instill the same paranoia that he has, into others. In the hope they will buy his paranoia

So far nobody has bought it


Sent you a PM eddie

Tommy's bullshit has nothing to do with how far the kid fell or whether he was able to hang on.
But all to do with discrediting the black guy who rescued him in an act of bravery and heroism.
Things that Tommy cannot bring himself to recognise.
Now if the rescuer had been white...........

Fuckbrain Tommy claims "4.5 metres.." between floors...

More fucking bullshit from the peanut gallery..

From videos and photos it appears to only be around 9 feet or so between floors -- that's less than 3 metres.

The more rubbish Tommy keeps on parroting, the more ridiculous he looks...

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Fuckbrain Tommy claims "4.5 metres.." between floors...

More fucking bullshit from the peanut gallery..

From videos and photos it appears to only be around 9 feet or so between floors --   that's less than 3 metres.

The more rubbish Tommy keeps on parroting, the more ridiculous he looks...

Try reading wolfboy... it was didge who claimed 4.5 metres... I have always said 3 metres between floors...

Look at the still image on the vid above that didge posted of child dangling and people leaning over... why does the rail on the right go all strange looking where the people leaning over are?


Follow the line of rail from right to left...

I don't know if i'v got this right, the child fell 3mtrs and grabbed a rail on the way down ? Some one put me right please because if that's what's being said it's not possible.

nicko wrote:I don't know if i'v got this right,    the child fell 3mtrs and grabbed a rail on the way down ? Some one put me right please because if that's what's being said it's not possible.

Okay, prove its not scientifically possible?

When this very case, proves it is possible 

The alternative, based on a paranoid conspiracy. Would mean is that whilst this child's father left him unattended. Someone broke into the flat (or possible the father) and abducted the child. Then broke into the flat below and placed him hanging off the balcony barrier, placing his life at risk.

In order that another person risks their neck climbing up a building to save them and you want to talk about what is possible?

Hence to claim its impossible for the boy to grab the railing, based on an opinion, does not cut it Nicko

You need to prove its impossible.

The onus is on you and Tommy

OK here's why it's not possible, Weight of child, distance falling, velocity reached. Hands would smack rail with no chance of them gripping, they would bounce off before grip established. If you doubt it try it yourself

nicko wrote:OK here's why it's not possible,  Weight of child,   distance falling, velocity reached.   Hands would smack rail with no chance of them gripping,  they would bounce off before grip established.   If you doubt it try it yourself

That is not scientific, but an opinion

You need to test your hypothesis multiple times, to see, that it would be impossible.

Have you done that?

Try again

IF that distance between floors is supposedly "4.5 metres", as Tommy now claims...

Then that climber must be around 3 metres tall..

That's nearly TEN feet  !!!   Someone call the record books..

***************************************************

As for that new claim (re: nicko's post above..) --  that the toddler supposedly "fell 3 metres" from the balcony above --  where is all of this new racist-conspiracy inspired crap-talikng coming from  ???

For these rumour/gossip conspiracies to be in any way feasible, everyone involved must be in on that conspiracy !!!

The father, his neighbours, those filming the event, the climber himself, police and firies, all the witnesses on the street, the politicians, and the news services..

In Tommy and nicko's paranoid xenophobic universe, that would run into hundreds of people eventually being involved  !        

I,m not saying the child was NOT in danger of falling, I'm saying it did not fall from above,I think it climbed onto something and over balanced !

Yes, perhaps the story was muddled and the child fell over the balcony he was on and not from one/two floors above.

I really don’t think a child of that size would be able to grip a balcony rail in a split second and hang on to it instead of falling.


It is really questionable to be honest.

Have a green Eddie, that's what I'v been trying to get across !

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

IF that distance between floors is supposedly "4.5 metres", as Tommy now claims...

Then that climber must be around 3 metres tall..

That's nearly TEN feet  !!!   Someone call the record books..

***************************************************

As for that new claim (re: nicko's post above..) --  that the toddler supposedly "fell 3 metres" from the balcony above --  where is all of this new racist-conspiracy inspired crap-talikng coming from  ???

For these rumour/gossip conspiracies to be in any way feasible, everyone involved must be in on that conspiracy !!!

The father, his neighbours, those filming the event, the climber himself, police and firies, all the witnesses on the street, the politicians, and the news services..

In Tommy and nicko's paranoid xenophobic universe, that would run into hundreds of people eventually being involved  !        

Wolf boy... please try to keep up... it was didge who tried claiming the 4.5 metres between floors... not me...!!!


I have said 3 metres per floor and child was widely reported to have fallen from 6th floor onto 4th floor balcony... ie 6 metres fall in total...!!!


And I have already said to didge that if the floors were 4.5 metres between them, then the climber wouldn't have been ablle to climb them...!!!



It all looks CGI fake to me... and whole story sounds total bullshit...!!!

So nobody has been able to actually prove its impossible

All we have is a feeling by some, that this cannot be done, even though it can be done, as it has been done by this kid

wow

We know children can be very strong

Need further proof?

It never happened...!!!

Didge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:6th floor window... to outside of 4th floor balcony dodge...


And the average weight of a 4 year old boy is much more than 12 kg...


Child would have landed ON the INSIDE FLOOR of balcony at a speed of well over 20mph!!!

So you again just keep inventing things

The boy actually fell 15 feet, around 4.5 meters. Again he fell from the floor above

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5781689/Boy-4-saved-Spider-Man-hero-Paris-fallen-15ft-floor-ABOVE.html

So now you claim to understand phsyics and now say a vertical drop. Is now not possible and he should have fell at a diagonal. To then drop inside and fall onto the next balcony?

Sorry, come again?



Again show me the science that would make it impossible for the child to fall and be unable to grab onto the lower ledge?

I see you keep avoiding this, as you know it easily destroys your pathetic argument.

Just as your reflection argument was based on delusions

Tommy is lying again

I said he fell around 4.5 meters, which is 15 feet as claimed by the mail.

Then Tommy twisted, hence wolf was correct to pull him up

Tommy claimed he fell 6 meters, which his only evidence for this comes from the BBC

All others say he fell from the floor above

I am I still waiting for you to prove this is impossible.

I mean, again what is the alternative and does he have any evidence for his crackpot theory?

No. All he does like most conspiracy loons, is attempt to look for a discrepancy

The kid fell and he caught the railings of the balcony

Its possible

Plain and simple

No didge... I have provided plenty of evidence that child reportedly fell from window on 6th to 4th floor balcony... and I have said all along that floors are about 3 metres between each level...!!!

And didge... I said the child WOULD NOT FALL DIAGONALLY...!!!


It is you who is claiming that the child fell from a window above, which would be in a vertical line with the outside wall of the building, but then landed on the outside of the balcony, which is sticking out a few feet away from the verticle line of the outside wall of the building...!!!


So it is you who is claiming the child fell diagonally... although you earlier ridiculed the possibility of diagonal travel in the fall...!!!

Okay I have a question. Every video I’ve seen has started from the climber scaling the building. Is there any video footage of just before that, so we can see the child dangling?
I am wondering why all the videos at the same point in time...I’d like to see the child before the clombing began.

It all looks like CGI to me...!!!

eddie wrote:Okay I have a question. Every video I’ve seen has started from the climber scaling the building. Is there any video footage of just before that, so we can see the child dangling?
I am wondering why all the videos at the same point in time...I’d like to see the child before the clombing began.

Not that I know of, most footage started when he had already started climbing

So there is no footage before he started from the botton, only by the first floor, which clearly caught people's attention to film. That is most likely why, it was him scalling up the building that garned people to start filiming this.

Maybe there ie footage before, but you would have to research more, as most people are interested in the heroics that we see happen.

Its unlikely anyone would have captured the child falling. People clearly gathered seeing the child hanging onto the ledge.

Anyway, what does it really matter?

I mean think about the alternative here, with people claiming its staged, which makes very little sense, just to make one person look a hero.

I mean they would have to place a child in danger and then this hero places their life in danger.

Hence I fail to see what is driving the paranoia here

Tommy Monk wrote:6th floor window... to outside of 4th floor balcony dodge...


And the average weight of a 4 year old boy is much more than 12 kg...


Child would have landed ON the INSIDE FLOOR of balcony at a speed of well over 20mph!!!

Proving Tommy is very much suggesting the child fell diagonally

As how else could he have landed on the inside floor of the balcony, falling over the balcony barrier on the floor above

Now what neither of you explain is why both his feet were bleeding an d lost a toenail.

There is a very simple explanation which adds weight to the fact he did fall and grab on to the barrier.

Clearly the force of him landing into the barrier, with his legs, cut both feet, digging his feet into the barrier to holg on. Which means he had to have grabbed and held on, from falling.

Didge... the reports say he fell from a WINDOW ABOVE...!!!


NOT FROM A BALCONY...!!!


And the reports clearly say that the child & family lived on the 6th floor... and that he fell from 6th floor WINDOW...!!!


And I seem to remember that there may well have been another balcony showing on 5th floor in the vid...?


If so... how does a child fall from a window on 6th, which would be vertically level with the patio doors of the balcony flats, but then falls around the outside of balcony on 5th, in a direction away from the building and away from the balcony on 5th... but then changes direction to start falling back in towards the balcony on 4th...!!!???


And then manages to grab on to rail while travelling at a speed of 25mph...!!!???


The story gets more ludicrous by the minute!!!!!

I’m only questioning something that is clearly odd: it’s very, very difficult to grab a small ledge when falling and it’s really difficult to hold your own body weight for at least 25 seconds, even for an adult.

I’m merely saying this: if that guy is hailed as a hero then that’s fine, but I’d be writing about that kid’s strength if I were the media - he is stronger than most any other ordinary child who is NOT a body builder.

eddie wrote:I’m only questioning something that is clearly odd: it’s very, very difficult to grab a small ledge when falling and it’s really difficult to hold your own body weight for at least 25 seconds, even for an adult.

I’m merely saying this: if that guy is hailed as a hero then that’s fine, but I’d be writing about that kid’s strength if I were the media - he is stronger than most any other ordinary child who is NOT a body builder.

Like I said earlier in my long reply to you Eddie

It may well be difficult, but its not impossible.

You could replay this 20 times and only once would the kid be able to grab, maybe twice, who knows, but the fact is, that it is possible.

Is the child stronger on average for holding on?

Again you just keep making unsubstanciated statements

Kids can climb up ropes and trees

All that has happened here, is that you have created a mental picture and its stopping you from just seeing this as it is. A very lucky child, with great determination to grab hold and hold on, (ahero also). To then being rescued by another hero.

Why does it have to be anything else?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge... the reports say he fell from a WINDOW ABOVE...!!!


NOT FROM A BALCONY...!!!

No they say he climbed up over the balcony



You show me the window in the video, on which floor and where he fell from your imaginary window



The four-year-old clambered over the front of the first balcony and then dropped some 15ft on to another ledge below, an investigating source said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5781689/Boy-4-saved-Spider-Man-hero-Paris-fallen-15ft-floor-ABOVE.html

He climbed on to something on the balcony, put his legs over the rail, started to slip and held onto the ledge/rail. no way did he grab hold of ledge/rail while falling 2/3 mtrs. he is to young to think of this,
If he did, his weight would have caused his hands to bounce off! But Kudo's to the man who rescued him.

nicko wrote:He climbed on to something on the balcony, put his legs over the rail,  started to slip and held onto the ledge/rail.   no way did he grab hold of ledge/rail while falling 2/3 mtrs.  he is to young to think of this,
If he did, his weight would have caused his hands to bounce off!  But Kudo's to the man who rescued him.

No way, because you are telling us so?

I would love to hear that as evidence in court

Again all this unsubstanciated claims being made are not born from any understanding but beliefs

The reality is, this child did fall and managed to hold on

I showed 4 stories earlier of kids falling more than 2 floors and getting up afterwards

Its there on video for people to see, yet many will still doubt how they managed to survive. People find it difficult to believe something that is an extraordinary event. I get that, but the answers coming are not anything scientific, they are simnple opinions.

Anyway, I am shattered, night all

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:I’m only questioning something that is clearly odd: it’s very, very difficult to grab a small ledge when falling and it’s really difficult to hold your own body weight for at least 25 seconds, even for an adult.

I’m merely saying this: if that guy is hailed as a hero then that’s fine, but I’d be writing about that kid’s strength if I were the media - he is stronger than most any other ordinary child who is NOT a body builder.

Like I said earlier in my long reply to you Eddie

It may well be difficult, but its not impossible.

You could replay this 20 times and only once would the kid be able to grab, maybe twice, who knows, but the fact is, that it is possible.

Is the child stronger on average for holding on?

Again you just keep making unsubstanciated statements

Kids can climb up ropes and trees

All that has happened here, is that you have created a mental picture and its stopping you from just seeing this as it is. A very lucky child, with great determination to grab hold and hold on, (ahero also). To then being rescued by another hero.

Why does it have to be anything else?

I’m only thinking aloud. I just do find it incredible that he fluked that fall like that and really, that should’ve been a huge part of the story too...don’t you think?

It was hardly mentioned yet it’s an incredible fluke.

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge... the reports say he fell from a WINDOW ABOVE...!!!


NOT FROM A BALCONY...!!!


And the reports clearly say that the child & family lived on the 6th floor... and that he fell from 6th floor WINDOW...!!!


And I seem to remember that there may well have been another balcony showing on 5th floor in the vid...?


If so... how does a child fall from a window on 6th, which would be vertically level with the patio doors of the balcony flats, but then falls around the outside of balcony on 5th, in a direction away from the building and away from the balcony on 5th... but then changes direction to start falling back in towards the balcony on 4th...!!!???


And then manages to grab on to rail while travelling at a speed of 25mph...!!!???


The story gets more ludicrous by the minute!!!!!

Bumped cos I added a bit to post.




Also... didge posted...


"...The four-year-old clambered over the front of the first balcony and then dropped some 15ft on to another ledge below, an investigating source said..."



Firstly... the floor above is 3 metres... not 4.5 metres (15 ft)... and I think the vid shows balcony above, and same distance between 4th & 5th balcony as all the other balconys below...


Secondly... 'an investigating source said' is pretty spurious...


Thirdly... it has been widely reported that child fell from 6th floor window, where he lived with his family...

Although this is from the OP story/link... also 'daily mail'...


Child seen outside apartment on Rue Marx-Dormoy while 'father was shopping'

Neighbour tried to reach child from adjacent balcony in 18th arrondissement



Suggesting child was dangling from his own balcony...


Then...


'...Tracked down by reporters 24 hours after the heroic rescue, Gassama said he had acted without thinking.

'I saw all these people shouting, and cars sounding their horns. I climbed up like that and, thank God, I saved the child,' he said.

'I felt afraid when I saved the child... (when) we went into the living room, I started to shake, I could hardly stand up, I had to sit down,' he added.

According to initial inquiries by the authorities, the child's parents were not at home at the time...'


Also suggesting that the child lived at the flat of the balcony he was dangling off...


And...

'...The only injury sustained by the child was a torn nail...'


Doesn't say anything about it being a 'toe nail'... or anything about 'cut feet'...!!!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5777403/Paris-hero-climbs-four-storey-apartment-block-rescue-boy.html#ixzz5GmBdXloo 



And no mention of any falling from any other window/balcony of any floor...


Although there were plenty of other reports of child/family living on 6th floor and child fell from window of 6th...!!!


And daily mail and didge are claiming child fell from 5th... and it was 15 ft above... although vid shows 5th balcony at same distance of other floors balconys... and if it was 15ft between floors then climbing between balconys would be impossible...!!!



This whole story smells of bullshit and the vid looks completely faked too...!!!

You see how Tommy continually invents his own view and interpretation to the events to make his paranoia fit?

Now initial stories change, when people learn more information as time goes on. So stories will be conflicting  and why Tommy is poorly trying to exploit this again make his crack pot conspiracies fit. Stories always conflict in the media on just about any event

I mean I asked him about the injuries, and he ignores this damning evidence. He then lies and claims only one injury, when it says the child is bleeding from the Toes and lost a toenail. That is plural, meaning more than one toe. You see how again Tommy continually twists something to fit his own narrative?

When you see this picture, its clear why his toes were bleeding as he held also on with his feet



As you can see its a grill and place of purchase also for the child to hold onto. Again explain why his feet were bleeding and also debunks Tommy's also warped view that he was attached to a harness. As clearly the child was hanging on for dear life.

He claimed the child fell from a window and i asked him to point on which window and on which floor. He again failed to answer and now claims based off again stories, that the flat in question was the flat the child was found clinging onto. I mean read his words and ask yourself how he comes to that conclusion?

He again ignored this, as again he made a huge error and he knows it.

Now most of the sources come from French media sources, the main being the Le Parisien Where they answer many of the questions

http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/exploit-de-mamoudou-gassama-une-video-et-des-intox-28-05-2018-7740252.php

Use google translate to read

Also Tommy is just one in a line of other Far right crack pots claiming consopiracies and no doubt plagerizing them

At the end of the day most British media agree, the child fell one floor. Which like any event there is conflicting accounts. That does not mean there is a concpiracy. Like I showed earlier you only see the ground floor in one video



So confusion maybe over what is first/ground floor

There is nothingh here, but only that invented in the mind of those  paranoid, most motivated by hostility to immigrants



So it really does not matter. If Tommy wants to believe its staged, to fit his delusions and paranoia, that fuel his bigotry and hostility to immigrants. Then there is little anyone can do about that. He will always be that way, until he learns to grow up. That may sadly take years

Now what he never answers also is the alternative. How if staged this would have happened and how many people would then have to be involved, including the father, who could then end up in jail. He wont tackle this, because its so far fetched

The reality is this man was a hero and the neighbour was and the child

Simple as that

Tommy isn't necessarily paranoid...

Maybe the whole world really is out to get him..

(Damn those lefty foreign communist snowflake immigrant conspiracist gangs  !)

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Tommy isn't necessarily paranoid...

Maybe the whole world really is out to get him..

(Damn those lefty foreign communist snowflake immigrant conspiracist gangs  !)

You forgot the Muslims, Wolfie!