more snowflake parents

https://news.sky.com/story/child-traumatised-by-shopping-centres-reindeer-decoration-in-christmas-grotto-11141205


tell the brat to get a grip FGS.

I've already told my grandaughte that christmas is cancelled, cos I've turned rudolph etc into reindeer burgers...and sold em to Ikea....(who sell.......reindeer burgers)

Lord Foul wrote:https://news.sky.com/story/child-traumatised-by-shopping-centres-reindeer-decoration-in-christmas-grotto-11141205


tell the brat to get a grip FGS.

I've already told my grandaughte  that christmas is cancelled, cos I've turned rudolph etc into reindeer burgers...and sold em to Ikea....(who sell.......reindeer burgers)

More follows.....

"The child was so mortified, he had to be calmed down with Rudolf reindeer sausages and chips."

Seriously, what are we teaching to children here?

It was a medival theme. Could she not have explained this to the child and actually teach the child some history here? Could she not have explained it was just a model?

Seriously, some parents really are turning their children into "wet wipes"

That is horrible though - it looks like a trophy. I wouldn't want one in my house.

Raggamuffin wrote:That is horrible though - it looks like a trophy. I wouldn't want one in my house.

It was plastic..
How is it horrible to explain the reality of history in medival times to a child, that people did hunt as a normality then?

What is she really teaching the child here?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:That is horrible though - it looks like a trophy. I wouldn't want one in my house.

It was plastic..
How is it horrible to explain the reality of history in medival times to a child, that people did hunt as a normality then?

What is she really teaching the child here?

They hunted reindeer in this country?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


It was plastic..
How is it horrible to explain the reality of history in medival times to a child, that people did hunt as a normality then?

What is she really teaching the child here?

They hunted reindeer in this country?

Er yes..

I mean what next

"A boys dreams were shattered, when he came to realise his favorite football team Arsenal first syllable spelt arse on learning to read.

He was so traumatized, the doctor prescribed a course of father Ted."

What does hunting have to do with Father Christmas?

Raggamuffin wrote:What does hunting have to do with Father Christmas?

What has Santa Cluas, aka, Saint Nicholas, have to do with a pagan festival?

Do you understand the Winter festival and how the Christmas tree and presents originated from this and then Christianity hijacked this?

Hunting would have been very much a part of such festivals

Very much so...

AND...I'm taking santa hostage...and sacking the elves, and I've put his sleigh in the log burner....

Lord Foul wrote:AND...I'm taking santa hostage...and sacking the elves, and I've put his sleigh in the log burner....

Interesting point, as where do Elves figure in the bible?

Again its odd that it will come from the orginal pagan sources and folklores

Another example of modern and Christian plagerism

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:What does hunting have to do with Father Christmas?

What has Santa Cluas, aka, Saint Nicholas, have to do with a pagan festival?

Do you understand the Winter festival and how the Christmas tree and presents originated from this and then Christianity hijacked this?

Hunting would have been very much a part of such festivals

I'm not interested in your hectoring tone, and your attempt to drag religion into it. I'm pretty sure that Christmas is not supposed to be about hunting for trophies. I find it all a bit much anyway.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

What has Santa Cluas, aka, Saint Nicholas, have to do with a pagan festival?

Do you understand the Winter festival and how the Christmas tree and presents originated from this and then Christianity hijacked this?

Hunting would have been very much a part of such festivals

I'm not interested in your hectoring tone, and your attempt to drag religion into it. I'm pretty sure that Christmas is not supposed to be about hunting for trophies. I find it all a bit much anyway.

Oh dear

Lets give you some historical facts shall we.

25th Decemeber is not even the birth day of Jesus, based on the Gospels

Its the Birthday and pagan festival of Mithra

The Christians adpated this festival under the Emperor Constantine, in order to make Christianity more appealling to those who already believed in Mirthra.

Now that is just where we get the date.

Things like the Christmas tree and presents are plagerized from were Germanic people, which included Celts/Saxons/Jutes/Angles. During pagan times and the festival of the winter soltace. They would decorate their homes with Evergreen Fir Trees. Based on the principle, it made them think of the spring to come.

They would also offer gifts around this, generally offerings from hunts. Hence how we have today the concept of the Christmas tree and presents. The reality is they are aspects that have naff all to do with Christianity, but pagan traditions.

Does that help?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not interested in your hectoring tone, and your attempt to drag religion into it. I'm pretty sure that Christmas is not supposed to be about hunting for trophies. I find it all a bit much anyway.

Oh dear

Lets give you some historical facts shall we.

25th Decemeber is not even the birth day of Jesus, based on the Gospels

Its the Birthday and pagan festival of Mithra

The Christians adpated this festival under the Emperor Constantine, in order to make Christianity more appealling to those who already believed in Mirthra.

Now that is just where we get the date.

Things like the Christmas tree and presents are plagerized from were Germanic people, which included Celts/Saxons/Jutes/Angles. During pagan times and the festival of the winter soltace. They would decorate their homes with Evergreen Fir Trees. Based on the principle, it made them think of the spring to come.

They would also offer gifts around this, generally offerings from hunts. Hence how we have today the concept of the Christmas tree and presents. The reality is they are aspects that have naff all to do with Christianity, but pagan traditions.

Does that help?

I told you - I'm not interested in your hatred of Christians and Christianity. This thread is nothing to do with Christianity, so save your hatred for another thread. It's about the stupidity of the fuss about Christmas generally IMO. If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh dear

Lets give you some historical facts shall we.

25th Decemeber is not even the birth day of Jesus, based on the Gospels

Its the Birthday and pagan festival of Mithra

The Christians adpated this festival under the Emperor Constantine, in order to make Christianity more appealling to those who already believed in Mirthra.

Now that is just where we get the date.

Things like the Christmas tree and presents are plagerized from were Germanic people, which included Celts/Saxons/Jutes/Angles. During pagan times and the festival of the winter soltace. They would decorate their homes with Evergreen Fir Trees. Based on the principle, it made them think of the spring to come.

They would also offer gifts around this, generally offerings from hunts. Hence how we have today the concept of the Christmas tree and presents. The reality is they are aspects that have naff all to do with Christianity, but pagan traditions.

Does that help?

I told you - I'm not interested in your hatred of Christians and Christianity. This thread is nothing to do with Christianity, so save your hatred for another thread. It's about the stupidity of the fuss about Christmas generally IMO. If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies.

First point of call

How exactly am I being hateful to Christianity, by being factual on history?

Second point of call

We now celebrate Christmas (hardly religiously), which is based on Christianity, even though it has plagerized these original pagan traditions.

Third point of call

This representation, was an adaption of Christianity in the Middle Ages, where Reindeer were in the Uk and hunted, before the concept of some dodgy old bloke in a white beard wanting children to sit on his lap, called santa claus.

Fourth point of call

Its not down to you to dictate what Christmas should be. Being as its a hybred of many traditions. You do not get to decide how it should be. I would rather people celebrated a winter festival, how it was. A time looking forward to spring. As lets face it, people are so utterly unhappy when it comes to Jan 2nd.

Do you know why that is?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I told you - I'm not interested in your hatred of Christians and Christianity. This thread is nothing to do with Christianity, so save your hatred for another thread. It's about the stupidity of the fuss about Christmas generally IMO. If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies.

First point of call

How exactly am I being hateful to Christianity, by being factual on history?

Second point of call

We now celebrate Christmas (hardly religiously), which is based on Christianity, even though it has plagerized these original pagan traditions.

Third point of call

This representation, was an adaption of Christianity in the Middle Ages, where Reindeer were in the Uk and hunted, before the concept of some dodgy old bloke in a white beard wanting children to sit on his lap, called santa claus.

Fourth point of call

Its not down to you to dictate what Christmas should be. Being as its a hybred of many traditions. You not get to decide how it should be. I would rather people celebrated a winter festival, how it was. A time looking forward to spring. As lets face it, people are so utterly unhappy when it comes to Jan 2nd.

Do you know why that is?

So you can have your opinion about Christmas but I can't have mine. Typical Didge - sitting there lecturing others and then telling everyone how they feel. Who says everyone is unhappy when it comes to Jan 2nd? Anyway, 25th December is too far away from Spring.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


First point of call

How exactly am I being hateful to Christianity, by being factual on history?

Second point of call

We now celebrate Christmas (hardly religiously), which is based on Christianity, even though it has plagerized these original pagan traditions.

Third point of call

This representation, was an adaption of Christianity in the Middle Ages, where Reindeer were in the Uk and hunted, before the concept of some dodgy old bloke in a white beard wanting children to sit on his lap, called santa claus.

Fourth point of call

Its not down to you to dictate what Christmas should be. Being as its a hybred of many traditions. You not get to decide how it should be. I would rather people celebrated a winter festival, how it was. A time looking forward to spring. As lets face it, people are so utterly unhappy when it comes to Jan 2nd.

Do you know why that is?

So you can have your opinion about Christmas but I can't have mine. Typical Didge - sitting there lecturing others and then telling everyone how they feel. Who says everyone is unhappy when it comes to Jan 2nd? Anyway, 25th December is too far away from Spring.

So not only did you fail to answer all my 4 points, you now make a further false accusation, that claims i am denying you how you want to celebrate Christmas

Can you show me where I did?

Many people are unhappy come the 2nd January, which is odd, when there is 12 days of Christmas.

That is your first clue

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So you can have your opinion about Christmas but I can't have mine. Typical Didge - sitting there lecturing others and then telling everyone how they feel. Who says everyone is unhappy when it comes to Jan 2nd? Anyway, 25th December is too far away from Spring.

So not only did you fail to answer all my 4 points, you now make a further false accusation, that claims i am denying you how you want to celebrate Christmas

Can you show me where I did?

Many people are unhappy come the 2nd January, which is odd, when there is 12 days of Christmas.

That is your first clue

I didn't answer your "points" because I'm not interested in them. You're lecturing again, and I don't pander to that.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


So not only did you fail to answer all my 4 points, you now make a further false accusation, that claims i am denying you how you want to celebrate Christmas

Can you show me where I did?

Many people are unhappy come the 2nd January, which is odd, when there is 12 days of Christmas.

That is your first clue

I didn't answer your "points" because I'm not interested in them. You're lecturing again, and I don't pander to that.

It seems you are interested by continually replying

It really shows, that you jumped in. Had not a clue what you were talking about. Then made poor unfounded accusations you could not back up. To then now use a poor get out clause card. Claiming you are not interested. When I kept you spell bound interested to reply for many posts.

If you think education is a bad thing and its pandering. Would you like me to send you a box of kleenex?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not interested in your hectoring tone, and your attempt to drag religion into it. I'm pretty sure that Christmas is not supposed to be about hunting for trophies. I find it all a bit much anyway.

Oh dear

Lets give you some historical facts shall we.

25th Decemeber is not even the birth day of Jesus, based on the Gospels

Its the Birthday and pagan festival of Mithra

The Christians adpated this festival under the Emperor Constantine, in order to make Christianity more appealling to those who already believed in Mirthra.

Now that is just where we get the date.

Things like the Christmas tree and presents are plagerized from were Germanic people, which included Celts/Saxons/Jutes/Angles. During pagan times and the festival of the winter soltace. They would decorate their homes with Evergreen Fir Trees. Based on the principle, it made them think of the spring to come.

They would also offer gifts around this, generally offerings from hunts. Hence how we have today the concept of the Christmas tree and presents. The reality is they are aspects that have naff all to do with Christianity, but pagan traditions.

Does that help?

I told you - I'm not interested in your hatred of Christians and Christianity. This thread is nothing to do with Christianity, so save your hatred for another thread. It's about the stupidity of the fuss about Christmas generally IMO. If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies.

Triggered....

And no it shouldnt...of necessity

most have got this wrong anyhow

the day to celebrate is the 21st, when the wheel of the year turns once more to longer days and shorter nights

THATS whats important and significant, not some imported nonsense about a semi mythical figure who was born not in december but much later in the year in anycase (though I suppose if Qeenie can have an "official birthday so can he )

you are right Didge , it is all down to theological hijacking

and as for didge imposing ...what about YOU prescribing your commercialised christianised tommy rot?

"If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies."
How about some cultural sensitivity here, and some consideration for us pagans ??? Who DO consider the hunt and the feast to be part of that celebration of the wheel of the year?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't answer your "points" because I'm not interested in them. You're lecturing again, and I don't pander to that.

It seems you are interested by continually replying

It really shows, that you jumped in. Had not a clue what you were talking about. Then made poor unfounded accusations you could not back up. To then now use a poor get out clause card. Claiming you are not interested. When I kept you spell bound interested to reply for many posts.

If you think education is a bad thing and its pandering. Would you like me to send you a box of kleenex?

I haven't made any unfounded accusations. You're just jumping into this thread in order to troll again. I made one comment at the start which you just had to criticise for no apparent reason, and then you started lecturing me yet again when I hadn't asked you to. Go and hassle someone else.

oh and beer...lots of beer .........and mulled mead...

Lord Foul wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I told you - I'm not interested in your hatred of Christians and Christianity. This thread is nothing to do with Christianity, so save your hatred for another thread. It's about the stupidity of the fuss about Christmas generally IMO. If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies.

Triggered....

And no it shouldnt...of necessity

most have got this wrong anyhow

the day to celebrate is the 21st, when the wheel of the year turns once more to longer days and shorter nights

THATS whats important and significant, not some imported nonsense about a semi mythical figure who was born not in december but much later in the year in anycase (though I suppose if Qeenie can have an "official birthday so can he )

you are right Didge , it is all down to theological hijacking

and as for didge imposing ...what about YOU prescribing your commercialised christianised tommy rot?

"If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies."
How about some cultural sensitivity here, and some consideration for us pagans ??? Who DO consider the hunt and the feast to be part of that celebration of the wheel of the year?

Oh dear, it seems that you don't recognise sarcasm when you see it.

You're also bleating on about Christianity when I didn't even mention that aspect of it. You and Didge are as bad as each other.

and yet you are the one who chewed didge for mentioning it....sensitive much

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


It seems you are interested by continually replying

It really shows, that you jumped in. Had not a clue what you were talking about. Then made poor unfounded accusations you could not back up. To then now use a poor get out clause card. Claiming you are not interested. When I kept you spell bound interested to reply for many posts.

If you think education is a bad thing and its pandering. Would you like me to send you a box of kleenex?

I haven't made any unfounded accusations. You're just jumping into this thread in order to troll again. I made one comment at the start which you just had to criticise for no apparent reason, and then you started lecturing me yet again when I hadn't asked you to. Go and hassle someone else.

You accused me of hating Christinanity and Christians.

My whole family are Catholics, which would mean, by your reasoning, I hate my whole family.

Is that what you are claiming?

I know Gelico and Nems are Christians and love them to bits.

How do you explain that?

You made many errors in this thread, which I only corrected, which you seem to take offense at.

Why is that?

I then proceeded to correct you on errors

You had no clue, that we had reindeers in this country

I informed you, that you were incorrect.

How is that such a bad thing to correct you on?

Now, if you do not like people correcting you, when you are wrong. Is it not you that is the issue here?

If you as seen get annoyed?

Now if you think I am trolling, then please report me and lets see what the mods decide on your claims, shall we?

Lord Foul wrote:and yet you are the one who chewed didge for mentioning it....sensitive much

Why shouldn't I? He's always banging on about the evils of Christianity - there's no need to do it in a thread about a plastic deer head. He just wants to have a go at me - if you can't see that, you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

Christmas is about commerce these days - everyone over the age of ten knows that. It's when retailers make their biggest profits.

Lord Foul wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I told you - I'm not interested in your hatred of Christians and Christianity. This thread is nothing to do with Christianity, so save your hatred for another thread. It's about the stupidity of the fuss about Christmas generally IMO. If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies.

Triggered....

And no it shouldnt...of necessity

most have got this wrong anyhow

the day to celebrate is the 21st, when the wheel of the year turns once more to longer days and shorter nights

THATS whats important and significant, not some imported nonsense about a semi mythical figure who was born not in december but much later in the year in anycase (though I suppose if Qeenie can have an "official birthday so can he )

you are right Didge , it is all down to theological hijacking

and as for didge imposing ...what about YOU prescribing your commercialised christianised tommy rot?

"If we must have Christmas, it should be about little elves, singing toys, tinsel, and awful Christmas music, and it shouldn't include items which look like hunting trophies."
How about some cultural sensitivity here, and some consideration for us pagans ??? Who DO consider the hunt and the feast to be part of that celebration of the wheel of the year?

Indeed mate

At no point did I impose anything

Rags stated what it should be

Priceless

Oh look - Didge attempting to tag team with Lord Foul. How predictable was that?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:and yet you are the one who chewed didge for mentioning it....sensitive much

Why shouldn't I? He's always banging on about the evils of Christianity - there's no need to do it in a thread about a plastic deer head. He just wants to have a go at me - if you can't see that, you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

Where did i say about the evils of Christianity in this thread?

I mean i can give you another history lesson on how Christianity has been practised over many centuries?

It seems, its you engineering these views, when i never have.

Oh here we go, play the victim card

When all i did was correct wrong claims you made.

Wanna tissue?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Why shouldn't I? He's always banging on about the evils of Christianity - there's no need to do it in a thread about a plastic deer head. He just wants to have a go at me - if you can't see that, you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

Where did i say about the evils of Christianity in this thread?

I mean i can give you another history lesson on how Christianity has been practised over many centuries?

It seems, its you engineering these views, when i never have.

Oh here we go, play the victim card

When all i did was correct wrong claims you made.

Wanna tissue?

I didn't make any wrong claims. I merely said that I wouldn't want that head in my house. That is the truth, unless you can prove I'm lying about that ...

'tis the season to be jolly fa la la la la la la la la
deck your cock and balls with holly fa la la la la la la la la

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Where did i say about the evils of Christianity in this thread?

I mean i can give you another history lesson on how Christianity has been practised over many centuries?

It seems, its you engineering these views, when i never have.

Oh here we go, play the victim card

When all i did was correct wrong claims you made.

Wanna tissue?

I didn't make any wrong claims. I merely said that I wouldn't want that head in my house. That is the truth, unless you can prove I'm lying about that ...

Oh you made many

You do not want head in your house?

Okay, each to their own

What is there to prove...

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't make any wrong claims. I merely said that I wouldn't want that head in my house. That is the truth, unless you can prove I'm lying about that ...

Oh you made many

You do not want head in your house?

Okay, each to their own

What is there to prove...

Which wrong claims did I make?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh you made many

You do not want head in your house?

Okay, each to their own

What is there to prove...

Which wrong claims did I make?

The many claims I stated already, which you ignored backing up

Please read back and reply to each and every one.

Starting with how you claim I hate Christianity and Christians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um4tbyPWzMo

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Which wrong claims did I make?

The many claims I stated already, which you ignored backing up

Please read back and reply to each and every one.

Starting with how you claim I hate Christianity and Christians

That one's easy. Every time you have an opportunity to slag off Christians and Christianity, you take it, even in a thread about a deer's head.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


The many claims I stated already, which you ignored backing up

Please read back and reply to each and every one.

Starting with how you claim I hate Christianity and Christians

That one's easy. Every time you have an opportunity to slag off Christians and Christianity, you take it, even in a thread about a deer's head.

So you think criticism is slagging off them?

So how is it wrong to criticise?

Should it be banned?

well, the weather outside is frightful
but I am so delightful
and since I've no place to go
I'm just gonna do a big po

Lord Foul wrote:oh and beer...lots of beer .........and mulled mead...

well can i have some? seems i'm partying on my own over here.

i'm feeling like a knees up and folks is just banging on about deers heads and christianity

Bum'oles!

gelico wrote:well, the weather outside is frightful
but I am so delightful
and since I've no place to go
I'm just gonna do a big po

How about this Gelico?

So what if Christian festivals have surplanted/overlaid Pagan festivals, it worked pretty well to change pagans into Christians, what better way to do it, unless you are a Jehovah's Witness, its probably happened previously to other religions over and over since time began. No doubt people didn't want to loose their festivals where they could have some fun and eat a lot between the hard work of planting, gathering, harvesting and storing.

Vintage wrote:So what if Christian festivals have surplanted/overlaid Pagan festivals, it worked pretty well to change pagans into Christians, what better way to do it, unless you are a Jehovah's Witness, its probably happened previously to other religions over and over since time began. No doubt people didn't want to loose their festivals where they could have some fun and eat a lot between the hard work of planting, gathering, harvesting and storing.

Sorry, let me get this straight. 
You claimed it worked very well turning pagans into Christians?
Was that by force?
Shall we talk about the forced conversion of Jews and the murder of them under Christianity?
How about how many Vikings in this country were slaughtered for their pagan beliefs?
How about women, burned at the stake, simple for believing in fortune telling and being classed as witches?

Do you really need me to continue how poorly contrived the above was?

Now let me change your words slightly and see if you agree

Vintage wrote:So what if Islamic festivals have surplanted/overlaid Christian festivals, it worked pretty well to change Christians into Muslims, what better way to do it, unless you are a Jew, its probably happened previously to other religions over and over since time began. No doubt people didn't want to loose their festivals where they could have some fun and eat a lot between the hard work of planting, gathering, harvesting and storing.

Come on Vintage, we both know that view was poor. I respect you better than that

The reality here. I do not care what people celebrate, when it does not effecte the well being and equality of others and neither should you, but please do not tell me what harm did it do. As tell that to the victims of the Holocaust, the Inquisition, the Crusades ect

And again for Gelico

She has heard this before, but know she will love it

gelico wrote:
'tis the season to be jolly fa la la la la la la la la
deck your cock and balls with holly fa la la la la la la la la

Didge wrote:And again for Gelico

She has heard this before, but know she will love it

Oh wow that's beautiful. Never heard this version.

magica wrote:

Didge wrote:And again for Gelico

She has heard this before, but know she will love it

Oh wow that's beautiful.  Never heard this version.

Glad you enjoyed it magica

gelico wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:oh and beer...lots of beer .........and mulled mead...

well can i have some?  seems i'm partying on my own over here.

i'm feeling like a knees up and folks is just banging on about deers heads and christianity

Bum'oles!

Are you pissed

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:So what if Christian festivals have surplanted/overlaid Pagan festivals, it worked pretty well to change pagans into Christians, what better way to do it, unless you are a Jehovah's Witness, its probably happened previously to other religions over and over since time began. No doubt people didn't want to loose their festivals where they could have some fun and eat a lot between the hard work of planting, gathering, harvesting and storing.

Sorry, let me get this straight. 
You claimed it worked very well turning pagans into Christians?
Was that by force?
Shall we talk about the forced conversion of Jews and the murder of them under Christianity?
How about how many Vikings in this country were slaughtered for their pagan beliefs?
How about women, burned at the stake, simple for believing in fortune telling and being classed as witches?

Do you really need me to continue how poorly contrived the above was?

Now let me change your words slightly and see if you agree

Vintage wrote:So what if Islamic festivals have surplanted/overlaid Christian festivals, it worked pretty well to change Christians into Muslims, what better way to do it, unless you are a Jew, its probably happened previously to other religions over and over since time began. No doubt people didn't want to loose their festivals where they could have some fun and eat a lot between the hard work of planting, gathering, harvesting and storing.

Come on Vintage, we both know that view was poor. I respect you better than that

The reality here. I do not care what people celebrate, when it does not effecte the well being and equality of others and neither should you, but please do not tell me what harm did it do. As tell that to the victims of the Holocaust, the Inquisition, the Crusades ect

Well, you would be mainly speaking of the actions of the Roman Church - which due to being mainly formulated in the Roman version of how things should work, was indeed violent, misogynistic, tunnel visioned in many ways and centrally orientated. The 'Celtic' version was a bit more laid back and appeared earlier in Britain than the Roman version. They had women on equal footing in leading mixed religious houses and there were some very educated abbesses until the Roman version was universally accepted. Any religion who cares about the people and their real spiritual well being should not to be too ideologically rigid about the peripheral things and should be more fluid in its attitude, not enforcing dress, gender and rites so much as a understanding people and their behaviour. If there is a god he/she/it is surely going to be above things like covering your hair, or wearing a biker jacket to a service, I would think he/she/it should be more worried about what is in hearts and minds.

Vintage wrote:

Didge wrote:


Sorry, let me get this straight. 
You claimed it worked very well turning pagans into Christians?
Was that by force?
Shall we talk about the forced conversion of Jews and the murder of them under Christianity?
How about how many Vikings in this country were slaughtered for their pagan beliefs?
How about women, burned at the stake, simple for believing in fortune telling and being classed as witches?

Do you really need me to continue how poorly contrived the above was?

Now let me change your words slightly and see if you agree



Come on Vintage, we both know that view was poor. I respect you better than that

The reality here. I do not care what people celebrate, when it does not effecte the well being and equality of others and neither should you, but please do not tell me what harm did it do. As tell that to the victims of the Holocaust, the Inquisition, the Crusades ect

Well, you would be mainly speaking of the actions of the Roman Church - which due to being mainly formulated in the Roman version of how things should work, was indeed violent, misogynistic, tunnel visioned in many ways and centrally orientated. The 'Celtic' version was a bit more laid back and appeared earlier in Britain than the Roman version. They had women on equal footing in leading mixed religious houses and there were some very educated abbesses until the Roman version was universally accepted. Any religion who cares about the people and their real spiritual well being should not to be too ideologically rigid about the peripheral things and should be more fluid in its attitude, not enforcing dress, gender and rites so much as a understanding people and their behaviour. If there is a god he/she/it is surely going to be above things like covering your hair, or wearing a biker jacket to a service, I would think he/she/it should be more worried about what is in hearts and minds.  

Which means they were following the Pauline version of Christianity, which is what many thousand denomiations of Christianity follow today. It did not stop with with the Roman Catholic Church. It was at the fore front of Prodestant and Lutheran teaching. Which we saw enable the worst forms of racism, that we see today. The later that formed the first racial foundations of antisemitism. So no it is not mainly the actions of the Catholic Church

I mean do I really need to go into the foundations of how slavery was backed up by Christians and Christin beliefs at the time?

Celtic Christianity that had more equality for women, was not based on Christianity, but actually how Celtic women had always been treated within society. As equals. That they could own homes, become rulers. It was catholicism, that changed all that.

You then say that any religion should not be so rigid the peripheral things. No, they should have naff all say in how people live their lives, because these views they have are formed from fairy tales and not form reason. It was secularism, enlightenment and equality that changed the world, through reason and for the better.

I have no issue with your last points, but why even believe in the first place. When in reality what would you have to believe in?