Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain, as Madrid approves direct rule over region

The Catalan parliament declared independence from Spain on Friday, even as Madrid's senate passed a motion to place the region under direct role, plunging the divided country into political turmoil.

The vote in Barcelona was a secret ballot backed 70-10 and boycotted by opposition MPs. Secessionists hold a slim majority in the parliament.

Minutes after the vote, Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy appealed for calm and vowed to restore legal order to the rogue region, which he will now seek to govern directly from Madrid.

As Madrid's senate approved his motion to take special powers, including direct rule over Catalonia, he also announced that a cabinet meeting would be held at 5pm BST.

Meanwhile, thousands of pro-independence activists cheered in Barcelona as the Catalan parliament result was announced.

Watching proceedings in parliament on two large screens, they clapped and shouted "independence" in Catalan before singing the regional hymn, many raising their fists.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/27/spanish-government-demands-special-powers-could-remove-catalan/

Should do wonders for the Spanish and European football/soccer competitions  ???

So how can they be independent when in the heart of Spain

Well actually, looking down the Iberian peninsula, they're over there on the left.

Original Quill wrote:Well actually, looking down the Iberian peninsula, they're over there on the left.

Indeed Quill

Everyone backs the right of the self determination of the Palestinians.

Including me, even though they are a recent invented people

The Catalonians have a long history and even more so the Kurdish people and how many people back their self determination?

I back all 3 groups to have this.

So why is the world not supporting the Kurds or the people of Catalonia?

[quote="Original Quill"]Well actually, looking down the Iberian peninsula, they're over there on the left.[/quot

I know, but Barcelona is near Catalonia isn't it, so not an island, or have I got that wrong

magica wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Well actually, looking down the Iberian peninsula, they're over there on the left.

I know, but Barcelona is near Catalonia isn't it, so not an island, or have I got that wrong

Barcelona is on the northeastern coast of Spain, on the Mediterranean Sea.  It is the capital and largest city of Catalonia, with a population of approximately 1.6-million.  It is the second largest city, after Madrid.

IF Spain wants to dig in their heels,  Catalonia could become another Chechnya...

Russia doesn't want to lose one of it's republics because they fear that could trigger a "domino effect", with other 'autonomous' republics putting their hand up for independence, as well..

In Catalonia's case, Spain wouldn't want to lose maybe 16% of their population, and 20% (or more ?) of their GDP --  and a couple of their leading football clubs.

It took years for East Timor to gain independence from Indonesia..

Let's hope this turns ugly

A nice little insurgent civil war right in the heart of the EU would do nicely

smelly-bandit wrote:Let's hope this turns ugly

A nice little insurgent civil war right in the heart of the EU would do nicely

Lets hope you end up sorely disappointed.

Didge wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:Let's hope this turns ugly

A nice little insurgent civil war right in the heart of the EU would do nicely

Lets hope you end up sorely disappointed.

You wish to see the catalonian push for self determination fail??

You love the Palestinian but hate the catalonian

smelly-bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Lets hope you end up sorely disappointed.

You wish to see the catalonian push for self determination fail??

You love the Palestinian but hate the catalonian

No I back their right to self determination.

Which the Spanish Governement should respect

You clearly never read my earlier post did you?

You though want pain and suffering to happen from this. 

So its your views driven by selishness and hate dear boy

Didge wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You wish to see the catalonian push for self determination fail??

You love the Palestinian but hate the catalonian

No I back their right to self determination.

Which the spanish should respect

You clearly never read my earlier post did you?

You though want pain and suffering to happen from this.

So its your vuews driven by selishness and hater dear boy

You would have them crushed under the EU jack boot. That's why you're a remainer


You're an EU fanatic who would see any threat to your beloved dictatorship crushed

smelly-bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


No I back their right to self determination.

Which the spanish should respect

You clearly never read my earlier post did you?

You though want pain and suffering to happen from this.

So its your vuews driven by selishness and hater dear boy

You would have them crushed under the EU jack boot. That's why you're a remainer


You're an EU fanatic who would see any threat to your beloved dictatorship crushed

Oh dear, seems smelly is broken and is getting over excited again. Making up loads of bullshit.

I just proved your view wrong smelly and thus you then further invoke utter rubbish.

I do back remain, but I respect the vote to leave

Its you that is the fanatic that wants to see a war, pain, suffereing and death in order to achieve your selfish aims here

Hence the hilarity of your overly emotive reply.

Now be a good little boy and sit in the courner until you understand why you are so stupid.

Didge wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You would have them crushed under the EU jack boot. That's why you're a remainer


You're an EU fanatic who would see any threat to your beloved dictatorship crushed

Oh dear, seems smelly is broken and is getting over excited again. Making up loads of bullshit.

I just proved your view wrong smelly and thus you then further invoke utter rubbish.

I do back remain, but I respect the vote to leave

Its you that is the fanatic that wants to see a war, pain, suffereing and death in order to achieve your selfish aims here

Hence the hilarity of your overly emotive reply.

Now be a good little boy and sit in the courner until you understand why you are so stupid.

You back remain

You back the EU and all it stands for

You're a quisling No more needs to be known about you.

I back the catalonians and their push for independence and separation

You back the EU and it's "unity"

You cannot cherry pick or have your cake and eat it

smelly-bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh dear, seems smelly is broken and is getting over excited again. Making up loads of bullshit.

I just proved your view wrong smelly and thus you then further invoke utter rubbish.

I do back remain, but I respect the vote to leave

Its you that is the fanatic that wants to see a war, pain, suffereing and death in order to achieve your selfish aims here

Hence the hilarity of your overly emotive reply.

Now be a good little boy and sit in the courner until you understand why you are so stupid.

You back remain

You back the EU and all it stands for

You're a quisling No more needs to be known about you.

I back the catalonians and their push for independence and separation

You back the EU and it's "unity"

You cannot cherry pick or have your cake and eat it

A quisling?

Says the man who ran away from his own country

PMSL

If that is what you think of me, no problem.

You are just proving again what an emotive child you are.

You forget I am half Irish and Half Maltese/Scillian, which are are part of the EU.

They are also indendent and also part of a coalition of EU nations.

So how does that make me a quisling?

Again I back self determination

I have always respected that.

I think we should have a world governemnt if I am being honest with local self determination for nations also.

So anything else?

You're an EU lackey didge, you would support military occupation in catalonia if your EU masters decreed it

smelly-bandit wrote:You're an EU lackey didge, you would support military occupation in catalonia if your EU masters decreed it

Would I?

That is news to me when I back their independence.

What if they also want to remain in the EU smelly?

Did you not think of that?

I guess you are not up to speed on what they do want, are you?

I just continue to laugh at how easily emotive you are.

Like i say, refer back to my first written post and then you will see why you are acting like a toddler having a tantrum.

Didge wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:You're an EU lackey didge, you would support military occupation in catalonia if your EU masters decreed it

Would I?

That is news to me when I back their independence.

What if they also want to remain in the EU smelly?

Did you not think of that?

I guess you are not up to speed on what they do want, are you?

I just continue to laugh at how easily emotive you are.

Like i say, refer back to my first written post and then you will see why you are acting like a toddler having a tantrum.

Get your jack boots on, pin those yellow stars to your chest, salute your new chancellor junker and get yourself over to crush some catalonians

smelly-bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

Would I?

That is news to me when I back their independence.

What if they also want to remain in the EU smelly?

Did you not think of that?

I guess you are not up to speed on what they do want, are you?

I just continue to laugh at how easily emotive you are.

Like i say, refer back to my first written post and then you will see why you are acting like a toddler having a tantrum.

Get your jack boots on, pin those yellow stars to your chest, salute your new chancellor junker and get yourself over to crush some catalonians

Well clearly the Catlonians want to do so smelly, by being a part of the EU.

Like I said, you always end up puting both your feet squarley in your own mouth.

Original Quill wrote:

magica wrote:

I know, but Barcelona is near Catalonia isn't it, so not an island, or have I got that wrong

Barcelona is on the northeastern coast of Spain, on the Mediterranean Sea.  It is the capital and largest city of Catalonia, with a population of approximately 1.6-million.  It is the second largest city, after Madrid.

Ahh thanks Quill. I've been to Barcelona, so thought it was all in one Spain. Now I get it

Didge wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Get your jack boots on, pin those yellow stars to your chest, salute your new chancellor junker and get yourself over to crush some catalonians

Well clearly the Catlonians want to do so smelly, by being a part of the EU.

Like I said, you always end up puting both your feet squarley in your own mouth.

The catalonians want to crush themselves??

smelly-bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

Well clearly the Catlonians want to do so smelly, by being a part of the EU.

Like I said, you always end up puting both your feet squarley in your own mouth.

The catalonians want to crush themselves??

Who says they want to crush themselves?

That was your idiotic claim.

Their leader though has stated they will be a part of the EU

Now dont you look the right wally

magica wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Barcelona is on the northeastern coast of Spain, on the Mediterranean Sea.  It is the capital and largest city of Catalonia, with a population of approximately 1.6-million.  It is the second largest city, after Madrid.

Ahh thanks Quill. I've been to Barcelona, so thought it was all in one Spain. Now I get it

Catalonia is a "region" of Spain...I hesitate to call it a province or a state because that is precisely what is in controversy right now. Wiki describes it as:

Wiki wrote:Catalonia (Catalan: Catalunya, Occitan: Catalonha, Spanish: Cataluña)[b][c] is a region in the northeastern extremity of the Iberian Peninsula. Its constitutional status is the subject of a dispute between the Kingdom of Spain, which views it as an autonomous community within Spain, and the Generalitat de Catalunya, which views it as an independent republic following a unilateral declaration of independence from Spain on 27 October 2017.[4]

Under the Spanish constitution, it is an autonomous community with the designation of a nationality by its Statute of Autonomy.

As Wolf points out, it's not just "another" region, as it is probably the most modern and advanced region and city of Spain. It's rather like San Francisco is to the US: it's got all of the technology and intelligence, and more than a disproportionate share of money and productive capacity.

Thanx again Quill, I understand now.