Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane

by Guest Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:02 am

First topic message reminder :

Australia has foiled an Islamist-inspired "terrorist plot" to bring down an airplane with an improvised explosive, authorities said Sunday, after four people were arrested in raids across Sydney. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the plot appeared to be "elaborate" rather than planned by a lone wolf, as security was beefed up at major domestic and international airports across the nation.

"I can report last night that there has been a major joint counter-terrorism operation to disrupt a terrorist plot to bring down an airplane," Mr Turnbull told reporters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/30/australia-foils-islamist-terror-plot-bring-airplane/

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:00 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:Next point.

You do realise it is easy to see if someone is Muslim by how they dress, whether male or female. Who can easily be in pubs drinking non-alcoholic drinks.

You do realise this Tommy do you not?

How can you tell someone is Muslim by their dress? Many Muslims wear western clothes.

Many do not.

For example with women its the Hijab, with men its the thawb or thobe dishdasha.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:04 pm

The point is here. Is it impossible for Quill to have seen some Muslims mixing in a pub with non-Muslims.

No

Hence this was nothing more than the childish antics of Tommy, who can rarely win a debate, but only ever try to attempt to catch people out with cheap points.

Now if Tommy cannot disprove this, then he has no point.

His only argument is based off someone getting name places and areas mixed up, when they have only been there a couple of times in a foreign country. It seems if I asked Tommy on places he had been to other cities outside London rarely, he would likely make the same mistakes.

by Tommy Monk Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Quill... its you who has been shown as a liar and a phony on this thread for the last few days!!!

We're still waiting for you to explain your claim of being in a pub and seeing all the 'beer drinking Muslims', and to clarify which pub this all supposedly happened, as well as how you knew any of the 'pub beer drinkers' were Muslims...!?

Tommy, did you know that the 9/11 terrorists spent their time in strip bars drinking?

Are you saying they cannot be Muslims or that even lax Muslims in the UK do not drink?

Are you seriously going to try to use that as an example of London pubs having loads of 'beer drinking Muslims' in them, and an example of how they are getting on well with everyone by 'having a beer together'...!?

lol!

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:09 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

How can you tell someone is Muslim by their dress? Many Muslims wear western clothes.

Many do not.

For example with women its the Hijab, with men its the thawb or thobe dishdasha.

I think most of the Muslim men I know wear ordinary western clothes when they are going about their business.
If they are going to the Mosque or some service somewhere they wear more traditional clothes...but otherwise I don't see who could tell who was what.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:13 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Many do not.

For example with women its the Hijab, with men its the thawb or thobe dishdasha.

I think most of the Muslim men I know wear ordinary western clothes when they are going about their business.
If they are going to the Mosque or some service somewhere they wear more traditional clothes...but otherwise I don't see who could tell who was what.

But how many Muslim men do you know Syl?

10?

5?

50?

Are you the bases to see and know how Muslim men and women act daily out of 3 million?

It shows that you do not know that many wear traditional garb daily.

I guess it depends where you live

I have said before that one pub has now been turned into a Mosque and the Iman goes 20 meters up the road to get along with the other pub on the same road, with some of his fellow Muslims. They do not drink alcohol but go in their for lunch. As the food is great and the owner pitched to them they would also serve halal food. It has helped bridge the community together.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Tommy, did you know that the 9/11 terrorists spent their time in strip bars drinking?

Are you saying they cannot be Muslims or that even lax Muslims in the UK do not drink?

Are you seriously going to try to use that as an example of London pubs having loads of 'beer drinking Muslims' in them, and an example of how they are getting on well with everyone by 'having a beer together'...!?

Yes i am Tommy, can you disprove it?

How about the ones that do not drink alcohol?

Take your time?

I want you to prove this is impossible.

by Original Quill Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:15 pm

Thorin wrote:His only argument is based off someone getting name places and areas mixed up, when they have only been there a couple of times in a foreign country. It seems if I asked Tommy on places he had been to other cities outside London rarely, he would likely make the same mistakes.

And again, you are describing tommy. He made the his mistakes about London. He's never been there. Probably a Kiwi. Razz

BTW, the original discussion was about non-whites, not strictly Muslims.

Let's forget about it. I've brought out that tommy's real point is racism. Best not to embarrass him more.

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:17 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

I think most of the Muslim men I know wear ordinary western clothes when they are going about their business.
If they are going to the Mosque or some service somewhere they wear more traditional clothes...but otherwise I don't see who could tell who was what.

But how many Muslim men do you know Syl?

10?

5?

50?

Are you the bases to see and know how Muslim men and women act daily out of 3 million?

It shows that you do not know that many wear traditional garb daily.

I guess it depends where you live

I have said before that one pub has now been turned into a Mosque and the Iman goes 20 meters up the road to get along with the other pub on the same road, with some of his fellow Muslims. They do not drink alcohol but go in their for lunch. As the food is great and the owner pitched to them they would also serve halal food. It has helped bridge the community together.

Men...Probably 50 to 100, these being neighbours or local shop owners, I don't know them all personally, but I see them on a regular basis.
The women (their wives) do wear more traditional dress....no face coverings though.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:21 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

But how many Muslim men do you know Syl?

10?

5?

50?

Are you the bases to see and know how Muslim men and women act daily out of 3 million?

It shows that you do not know that many wear traditional garb daily.

I guess it depends where you live

I have said before that one pub has now been turned into a Mosque and the Iman goes 20 meters up the road to get along with the other pub on the same road, with some of his fellow Muslims. They do not drink alcohol but go in their for lunch. As the food is great and the owner pitched to them they would also serve halal food. It has helped bridge the community together.

Men...Probably 50 to 100, these being neighbours or local shop owners, I don't know them all personally, but I see them on a regular basis.
The women (their wives) do wear more traditional dress....no face coverings though.

So no disrespect Syl, but that really is a minute amount of Muslim you know then.

If you went to Tower hamlets or Southall, you would see many in traditional dress.
Where I live in Ashford, you even have many of the Nepalese older generation dress in traditional dress and can be seen in a pub now run by someone Nepalese.

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:24 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

Men...Probably 50 to 100, these being neighbours or local shop owners, I don't know them all personally, but I see them on a regular basis.
The women (their wives) do wear more traditional dress....no face coverings though.

So no disrespect Syl, but that really is a minute amount of Muslim you know then.

If you went to Tower hamlets or Southall, you would see many in traditional dress.
Where I live in Ashford, you even have many of the Nepalese older generation dress in traditional dress and can be seen in a pub now run by someone Nepalese.

I know its only a minute number and yes it must depend on the area.
I just wondered why you presumed Muslims could be easily spotted by their dress, in this area they cant be.,,,in your area they can be.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:31 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So no disrespect Syl, but that really is a minute amount of Muslim you know then.

If you went to Tower hamlets or Southall, you would see many in traditional dress.
Where I live in Ashford, you even have many of the Nepalese older generation dress in traditional dress and can be seen in a pub now run by someone Nepalese.

I know its only a minute number and yes it must depend on the area.
I just wondered why you presumed Muslims could be easily spotted by their dress, in this area they cant be.,,,in your area they can be.

I am not being funny Syl, but how do you think hate crimes happen against Muslims?

Its generally by their dress?

Sometimes there is attacks on Sikhs and others not Muslims, based on traditional dress, that can be similar.

Or sadly that someone is a racist twat and just stereotypes someone Asian as a Muslim.

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:34 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

I know its only a minute number and yes it must depend on the area.
I just wondered why you presumed Muslims could be easily spotted by their dress, in this area they cant be.,,,in your area they can be.

I am not being funny Syl, but how do you think hate crimes happen against Muslims?

Its generally by their dress?

Sometimes there is attacks on Sikhs and others not Muslims, based on traditional dress, that can be similar.

Or sadly that someone is a racist twat and just stereotypes someone Asian as a Muslim.

Probably the bib is the most obvious answer. Twisted Evil

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:39 pm

The photos we have seen of the extremist Muslim terrorists before they blow people (and often themselves) to Kingdom come, or the recent ones tear arsing around London with Knives, they are dressed in expensive trainers and western style pants and anoraks or jackets....usually dark coloured, exactly like my own son and grandsons dress.
So if people are targeting Muslims because of how they actually dress....it would be like picking on a needle in a haystack imo.

by Tommy Monk Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:43 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Are you seriously going to try to use that as an example of London pubs having loads of 'beer drinking Muslims' in them, and an example of how they are getting on well with everyone by 'having a beer together'...!?

Yes i am Tommy, can you disprove it?

How about the ones that do not drink alcohol?

Take your time?

I want you to prove this is impossible.

You need to have a serious think about what you're saying...!!!

Laughing

A 9/11 terrorist is an example of how Muslims are getting on well with other people...!?

lol!

And why are you banging on about Nepalese now...!?

96% of Nepalese people are not Muslim!!!

So it would be a sure likelihood that any beer drinking Nepalese people you claim to have seen, were not Muslim either...!!!

Laughing

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:50 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Many do not.

For example with women its the Hijab, with men its the thawb or thobe dishdasha.

I think most of the Muslim men I know wear ordinary western clothes when they are going about their business.
If they are going to the Mosque or some service somewhere they wear more traditional clothes...but otherwise I don't see who could tell who was what.

Yes. I see ladies dressed like Muslims, but their husbands are in ordinary clothes - jeans and a shirt or something like that.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Yes i am Tommy, can you disprove it?

How about the ones that do not drink alcohol?

Take your time?

I want you to prove this is impossible.

You need to have a serious think about what you're saying...!!!

A 9/11 terrorist is an example of how Muslims are getting on well with other people...!?

And why are you banging on about Nepalese now...!?

96% of Nepalese people are not Muslim!!!

So it would be a sure likelihood that any beer drinking Nepalese people you claim to have seen, were not Muslim either...!!!

1) Yes i am serious Tommy. Are you saying they are Muslim or not?

2) Second are you saying there is no such thing as a Lax Muslim?

3) Are you saying Muslims cannot drink in pubs drinking Non Alcoholic drinks?

4) Nepalese especially the older generation wear traditional garb

You failed to answer my points

Try again

Yes i am Tommy, can you disprove it?

How about the ones that do not drink alcohol?

Take your time?

I want you to prove this is impossible.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:52 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:

I think most of the Muslim men I know wear ordinary western clothes when they are going about their business.
If they are going to the Mosque or some service somewhere they wear more traditional clothes...but otherwise I don't see who could tell who was what.

Yes. I see ladies dressed like Muslims, but their husbands are in ordinary clothes - jeans and a shirt or something like that.

Do they?

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by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:53 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. I see ladies dressed like Muslims, but their husbands are in ordinary clothes - jeans and a shirt or something like that.

Do they?

Yes. I can see you know.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Do they?

Yes. I can see you know.

So not all wear what you class as ordinary clothes do they Rags?

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:54 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. I can see you know.

So not all wear what you class as ordinary clothes do they Rags?

I just told Syl what I see. I can't help it if you don't see the same thing.

by Original Quill Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:55 pm

Aquila wrote:Either way, the fact is that many Muslims do drink. And anecdotal evidence suggests that the numbers are increasing. In most secular countries, alcohol is widely available. So Muslims, whether visiting, studying or residing there, will have easy access to it at school, friends’ houses, restaurants, bars and nightclubs. In most Islamic countries, alcohol is ostensibly banned. But insiders know how to get it, and they do. From blatantly opened bottles in swish Dubai nightclubs to glasses, wrapped in content-concealing serviettes, held in Lahore, the contents being imbibed and enjoyed are essentially the same.

Some are comfortable with their choice, as 20-year-old Abdul from Egypt argues. ‘I don’t believe that by drinking in moderation I am harming anyone. I think the essence of Islam or any other religion is about not doing things that harm you or others around you. Moderate drinking falls into that category.’

In Jakarta, 38-year-old Mely finds solace in the fact that society largely accepts it. ‘Society approves of me drinking, so I don’t feel guilty, even though it is a sin according to the Qur’an. I know hijab-wearing women who go as far as removing their headscarves and wearing wigs to go clubbing and drinking. They still want to be part of the in-crowd.’

Despite the acceptance of their choices, some retain the sentiment that drinking alcohol is a sin or shameful. ‘I’m fine with it, even though I know my society does not approve,’ confides Zara, a 26-year-old Muslim studying in Australia. ‘I would do it openly, except in small circles where this may cause shame to my parents.’

Rahman, 30, in Malaysia says simply, ‘I feel that it is a sin that I have chosen to commit.’

The larger question for Muslim communities regarding alcohol use is whether the issue can be discussed without further widening the divide between those who drink and those who don’t. All societies – Muslim or not – have to grapple with the issue of alcohol use. Aside from religious teachings, societies must educate drinkers to manage alcohol use responsibly. Alcohol is a substance that, if not properly managed, can cause serious harm — directly, by health problems, and indirectly, such as by drink-driving collisions. But in societies where the taboo of admitting to alcohol use is high, the opportunities for education, discussion and guidance around drinking are low. This may make Muslims who drink – particularly the young – more vulnerable to the negative effects of alcohol use compared with others who are able to have a frank discussion about drinking with their parents or community leaders.

Interesting.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So not all wear what you class as ordinary clothes do they Rags?

I just told Syl what I see. I can't help it if you don't see the same thing.

So you see hundreds of thousands of different Muslim Men daily?

Really?

So you admit your view is completely subjective and that it will depend where you are would it not?

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:59 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I just told Syl what I see. I can't help it if you don't see the same thing.

So you see hundreds of thousands of different Muslim Men daily?

Really?

So you admit your view is completely subjective and that it will depend where you are would it not?

Do you see hundreds of thousands of different Muslim men daily? All your photos are from the internet. If you see something different yourself, feel free to say so, but don't go on photos.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So you see hundreds of thousands of different Muslim Men daily?

Really?

So you admit your view is completely subjective and that it will depend where you are would it not?

Do you see hundreds of thousands of different Muslim men daily? All your photos are from the internet. If you see something different yourself, feel free to say so, but don't go on photos.

I see Muslims yes Rags, but the point here is being able to disprove Muslim men in the Uk do not wear traditional garbs.

You claimed off your own subjective views they only wore western clothes when not out going to a Mosque.

I proved this was off course bollocks

That you have to show that when only out Muslim men only wear western clothes.

In your own time

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So not all wear what you class as ordinary clothes do they Rags?

I just told Syl what I see. I can't help it if you don't see the same thing.

We live near a Mosque.....and a very large house which houses several Muslim families that sometimes holds meetings of some sort, when this happens they do wear traditional garb.

Other times they don't.....they wear the same as everyone else.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do you see hundreds of thousands of different Muslim men daily? All your photos are from the internet. If you see something different yourself, feel free to say so, but don't go on photos.

I see Muslims yes Rags, but the point here is being able to disprove Muslim men in the Uk do not wear traditional garbs.

You claimed off your own subjective views they only wore western clothes when not out going to a Mosque.

I proved this was off course bollocks

That you have to show that when only out Muslim men only wear western clothes.

In your own time

I said that I see Muslim men dressed in jeans and shirts. Perhaps they're not Muslims, they're just married to Muslim woman, but I don't think so. You have proved nothing, except that you want to start yet another argument and get abusive.

by HoratioTarr Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:09 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I just told Syl what I see. I can't help it if you don't see the same thing.

We live near a Mosque.....and a very large house which houses several Muslim families that sometimes holds meetings of some sort, when this happens they do wear traditional garb.

Other times they don't.....they wear the same as everyone else.

We have a mosque two minutes walk away. They wear a variety of clothing, some traditional most not. Who gives a shit?

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:11 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:

We live near a Mosque.....and a very large house which houses several Muslim families that sometimes holds meetings of some sort, when this happens they do wear traditional garb.

Other times they don't.....they wear the same as everyone else.

We have a mosque two minutes walk away. They wear a variety of clothing, some traditional most not. Who gives a shit?

No one really....I'm not sure why we are talking about what they wear. Razz

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:12 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I just told Syl what I see. I can't help it if you don't see the same thing.

We live near a Mosque.....and a very large house which houses several Muslim families that sometimes holds meetings of some sort, when this happens they do wear traditional garb.

Other times they don't.....they wear the same as everyone else.

So does that disprove that Muslim men do not wear traditional garb when not going to the Mosque?

You see how your argument is based only on what you have seen and more importantly on what you do not see Syl? That you base this on a small minute of Muslim you do see and not the mass majority?

The point is here, many of you have taken the opportunity to jump on Tommy's bandwagon to take the piss out of an American who would have to have an eidetic memory the way he has been grilled on the few occasions he has visited the UK. That is the reality of the situation here. Where Tommy had no interest in the debate, but to do as he always does and attempt to deligitimize a poster, because he cannot debate the points.

Now its up to people whether they believe Quill or not. That is up to them, but the arguments here and as you and Rags are doing to back your confirmation bias to discredit Quill. Attempting to deny some Muslims do not wear traditional garb out, let alone be in a pub. Shows you are complicit in the attempt to deligitimize him.

When he has done this to you Syl, I have jumped all over him, for doing the exact same.

There is no way anyone here can disprove his story. You can reason your points and be critical, but the reality is this has been nothing more than a few to ridicule Quill, based off him not remembering correctly places he has been too.

I mean this thread was about a terrorist attempt in Australia and since it has been about Quill for the last few pages.

wow

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:15 pm

I'm not taking the piss out of anyone....I skimmed over the thread when he and Tommy were arguing about pubs and who drinks in them.

I just pointed out in the later stages of this thread that you cant always spot a Muslim man by the clothes he wears...which is FACT. Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:His only argument is based off someone getting name places and areas mixed up, when they have only been there a couple of times in a foreign country. It seems if I asked Tommy on places he had been to other cities outside London rarely, he would likely make the same mistakes.

And again, you are describing tommy. He made the his mistakes about London. He's never been there. Probably a Kiwi.

BTW, the original discussion was about non-whites, not strictly Muslims.

Let's forget about it. I've brought out that tommy's real point is racism. Best not to embarrass him more.

Didge... I wouldn't be making mistakes about any places I had actually really been to... and I wouldn't be trying to make up stories about places and events that I had not been to and seen...!

Quill... for the last time... I have lived in London for all (the nearly 46 years) of my life... and have worked and gone out socialising all over London for near on 30 years...!!!

This thread is about an islamist terrorist plot in Australia... and you tried to make a point of how in London you have seen a mix of all races/religions in a pub happily having a beer together, specifically including Muslims in your claim...

I have been asking you to explain your claim for a few days now... but all you have given me is spurious waffle, twisting and spin...!

You say you saw 'beer drinking Muslims' in a pub, in among the mix of people all getting on and having a beer together... all I'm asking you is to clarify what pub this was, and to tell us how you could tell that they were Muslim...!?

Been waiting days for you to answer these two simple questions...!

Well...?

Laughing

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:22 pm

The only think I find odd about Tommys post is he just said he was 46....I thought he was in his 60's. Shocked

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:23 pm

Syl wrote:I'm not taking the piss out of anyone....I skimmed over the thread when he and Tommy were arguing about pubs and who drinks in them.

I just pointed out in the later stages of this thread that you cant always spot a Muslim man by the clothes he wears...which is FACT.

I think you were Syl, as you joined in on the bandwagon here and you know very well Tommy was out to target Quill, trying to make out he was lying.

As Quill and Wolf has done the same to you, and as seen I defend against poor accusations.

And on your last point, you can sometimes point out a Muslim by their dress, the point made here. Its not about how many that do but that you can distinguish Muslims who do where traditional garb.

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge... I wouldn't be making mistakes about any places I had actually really been to... and I wouldn't be trying to make up stories about places and events that I had not been to and seen...

Thorin wrote:Really? Based on what exactly? Your word Tommy? You see you have already decided he is making this up because you already hold a confirmation bias against him. So it is possible he because of years lapsing that he could possible get places mixed up?
Yes or no?
Or are you claiming this is impossible and that everyone has an Eidectic memory?

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:28 pm

Quill and Tommy have been backwards and forwards with this between them. I'm sure Quill can cope - he doesn't need anyone to hold his hand.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:29 pm

Syl wrote:I'm not taking the piss out of anyone....I skimmed over the thread when he and Tommy were arguing about pubs and who drinks in them.

I just pointed out in the later stages of this thread that you cant always spot a Muslim man by the clothes he wears...which is FACT.

Exactly.

by Original Quill Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:29 pm

Thorin wrote:That is the reality of the situation here. Where Tommy had no interest in the debate, but to do as he always does and attempt to deligitimize a poster, because he cannot debate the points.

Tommy really doesn't even care about another poster. His real concern is to discredit Muslims, because he is a racist. His digs at me are negligible. They were prompted because I said various races got along well in London, Englishmen included. I pointed to how well they got along in pubs and restaurants.

Tommy couldn't let that stand, so he started these side-bars about how Muslims (I was talking about mixed groups, but tommy turned it into Muslims) couldn't have hung around with the English because Muslims don't drink. Convoluted...but it fits tommy's proclivity to discredit Muslims wherever he can.

I was finally able to nail tommy down to clarifying his point: racism. Mission accomplished. The rest was all tommy-obfuscation.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:30 pm

Oh, maybe Quill does need someone to hold his hand.

Look, Tommy is from London, and the stuff about Earl's court was just a misunderstanding.

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:32 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:I'm not taking the piss out of anyone....I skimmed over the thread when he and Tommy were arguing about pubs and who drinks in them.

I just pointed out in the later stages of this thread that you cant always spot a Muslim man by the clothes he wears...which is FACT.

I think you were Syl, as you joined in on the bandwagon here and you know very well Tommy was out to target Quill, trying to make out he was lying.

As Quill and Wolf has done the same to you, and as seen I defend against poor accusations.

And on your last point, you can sometimes point out a Muslim by their dress, the point made here. Its not about how many that do but that you can distinguish Muslims who do where traditional garb.

I was actually originally addressing YOUR point about dress....not Quills or Tommy's....so you are wrong.

What you often overlook when someone puts a point across that differs from yours Thor is we ALL have our own experiences and they may be at odds with yours.
I already said that areas are different....in MY area many of the Muslim men I know don't wear traditional garb in their day to day lives....in YOUR area you say they do.
If I can accept you are speaking from your own experience why cant you accept that others are?

Pointing this out is in no way agreeing with Tommy or taking the piss out of Quill....its MY experience. Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane - Page 5 2190311264

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by Original Quill Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, maybe Quill does need someone to hold his hand.

Look, Tommy is from London, and the stuff about Earl's court was just a misunderstanding.

Ehhh...I don't think tommy is from London. He doesn't know the place.

But that's all side-talk. He's a racist, and now he's admitted it.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:34 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, maybe Quill does need someone to hold his hand.

Look, Tommy is from London, and the stuff about Earl's court was just a misunderstanding.

Ehhh...I don't think tommy is from London. He doesn't know the place.

But that's all side-talk. He's a racist, and now he's admitted it.

He does know it. I told you before that he was being sarcastic, but you didn't listen. You're being silly towards him.

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, maybe Quill does need someone to hold his hand.

Look, Tommy is from London, and the stuff about Earl's court was just a misunderstanding.

The men on this forum can argue over anything cant they....why cant they be more like the ladies?? grin angel

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, maybe Quill does need someone to hold his hand.

Look, Tommy is from London, and the stuff about Earl's court was just a misunderstanding.

I am from South London and worked most of my working Life all over London

So you agree Tommy based on his minimal knowledge of London places he knows tried to mock an American who would unlikely have the same knowledge. Talk about trying to score a cheap point. The reality is I know my way around central and south East London like the back of my hand. Yet I know other Londoner mates who still get lost in London out of their comfort zone, where they live.

The reality is that Tommy cannot disprove Quills experiences.

He either believes them or does not. Now he can reason how unlikely it may be, but to try and catch someone out who has hardly been to London on a confusion over place names. Sums up how badly Tommy debates. As he looks to find a possible mistake. Not actually be able to reason points.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:40 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, maybe Quill does need someone to hold his hand.

Look, Tommy is from London, and the stuff about Earl's court was just a misunderstanding.

The men on this forum can argue over anything cant they....why cant they be more like the ladies??

Cos they're men and their dads are bigger than other dads. Laughing

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:42 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I think you were Syl, as you joined in on the bandwagon here and you know very well Tommy was out to target Quill, trying to make out he was lying.

As Quill and Wolf has done the same to you, and as seen I defend against poor accusations.

And on your last point, you can sometimes point out a Muslim by their dress, the point made here. Its not about how many that do but that you can distinguish Muslims who do where traditional garb.

I was actually originally addressing YOUR point about dress....not Quills or Tommy's....so you are wrong.

What you often overlook when someone puts a point across that differs from yours Thor is we ALL have our own experiences and they may be at odds with yours.
I already said that areas are different....in MY area many of the Muslim men I know don't wear traditional garb in their day to day lives....in YOUR area you say they do.
If I can accept you are speaking from your own experience why cant you accept that others are?

Pointing this out is in no way agreeing with Tommy or taking the piss out of Quill....its MY experience.

I have not discounted your experiences but merely pointed out that they would amount to very little of you seeing or experiencing the vast majority of the Muslim community in the UK. So to expect your point on what you see, is trying to claim Muslim men do not wear garb when out based off the minimal amount you see. Hence its a very poor argument that does not hold up. You are then playing off this to then back up the arguments to discredit Quill. So yes you are backing Tommy by arguing that Muslim men wear western dress based off what you have seen. Never admitting that this is limited and it could well be probable that in other areas that they do.

So what purpose was it or you to point out what you saw Syl, if in many areas you would have no idea what Muslim men wore?

As there would only be one purpose if you did not factor in your experiences would not paint a realistic picture.

by Original Quill Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Ehhh...I don't think tommy is from London. He doesn't know the place.

But that's all side-talk. He's a racist, and now he's admitted it.

He does know it. I told you before that he was being sarcastic, but you didn't listen. You're being silly towards him.

I was maneuvering him to bring down his real point, which I was finally able to do. In the meanwhile, I was amazed at how little he knows about London. But really, I was busy negating this point and that, leading him to bringing down his real point: his racism.

Pubs and Muslims/alcohol were all diversions tommy raised to avoid my inevitable checkmate. He's a squirrely sort. Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:43 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

He does know it. I told you before that he was being sarcastic, but you didn't listen. You're being silly towards him.

I was maneuvering him to bring down his real point, which I was finally able to do. In the meanwhile, I was amazed at how little he knows about London. But really, I was busy negating this point and that, leading him to bringing down his real point: his racism.

Pubs and Muslims/alcohol were all diversions tommy raised to avoid my inevitable checkmate. He's a squirrely sort.

You should stop this nonsense about him not knowing London - it's making you look silly, and you're creating a diversion too.

by Syl Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:

The men on this forum can argue over anything cant they....why cant they be more like the ladies??

Cos they're men and their dads are bigger than other dads.

Thank goodness you said 'dads'. Razz

by Guest Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I was maneuvering him to bring down his real point, which I was finally able to do. In the meanwhile, I was amazed at how little he knows about London. But really, I was busy negating this point and that, leading him to bringing down his real point: his racism.

Pubs and Muslims/alcohol were all diversions tommy raised to avoid my inevitable checkmate. He's a squirrely sort.

You should stop this nonsense about him not knowing London - it's making you look silly, and you're creating a diversion too.

Well what parts of London does Tommy know very well?

He may well some parts very well, even I do not know all of London very well, but do know a substantial part well.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:46 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Cos they're men and their dads are bigger than other dads.

Thank goodness you said 'Dads'.

I nearly said something else but thought better of it. Laughing

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