'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:52 pm

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Europe is "underestimating" the scale and severity of the migration crisis and "millions of Africans" will flood the continent in the next five years unless urgent action is taken, a senior European official has warned. The dire prediction from Antonio Tajani, president of the European Parliament, came as Paris evacuated almost 3,000 migrants sleeping rough from a makeshift camp near the city centre - the 34th such evacuation in two years. In an interview with Il Messagero newspaper, Mr Tajani said there would be an exodus "of biblical proportions that would be impossible to stop if we don't confront the problem now".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/07/millions-africans-will-flood-europe-unless-acts-now-warns-european/

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:34 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Have you guys still got the plans for Hadrian's Wall?

A lot cheaper than starting from scratch. Ask Trump...you won't get the Mexicans to pay for it.

Yeah, we still got 'em. Problem is, it didn't work then - and it wouldn't work now.

Actually it did work, until the Romans Left.

It contained the Picts

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:42 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Yeah, we still got 'em. Problem is, it didn't work then - and it wouldn't work now.

Actually it did work, until the Romans Left.

It contained the Picts

I know, that's why I suggest it. Fred brought up a wall... Laughing

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:46 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Actually it did work, until the Romans Left.

It contained the Picts

I know, that's why I suggest it. Fred brought up a wall...

Indeed as not long after this the Scoti colonized what we now call Scotland
So really the Scots are Irish

by Original Quill Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:51 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I know, that's why I suggest it. Fred brought up a wall...

Indeed as not long after this the Scoti colonized what we now call Scotland
So really the Scots are Irish

Yes, Dál Riata Irish. Dál Riata or Dál Riada was a Gaelic overkingdom that included parts of western Scotland and northeastern Ireland, on each side of the North Channel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_Riata

by Syl Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Love the way he sidestepped your point.

I don't need his point. I'm offering everything he needs. We in the US are the wealthiest nation on earth. I live in a state that is the 5th-largest economy in the world. We have everything we need.

If the people in Africa are poor or unhappy, let them come here. Our African-Americans are like family. We'd welcome more of them.

Magica is a 'she'.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:21 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:No... they must do things for themselves...

But the world does not function that way Tommy

How would you medically help yourself without doctors?

How do you think the global economy works?
Maintaining the poverty, conflicts etc, just ensure the problem of immigration continues. Your view of not getting involved in Syria is flawed. Yet its because we never got boots on the ground, we have now seen the worst refugee crisis in years. So your view that they look after themselves just perpetuates this problem.

Yes it does... other people in other nations have managed to build their countries up... what makes Africans so incapable of doing so for themselves...?

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to make things happen... if only they could be bothered...

Why havent they created for themselves the things they try to get to europe to have...?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

But the world does not function that way Tommy

How would you medically help yourself without doctors?

How do you think the global economy works?
Maintaining the poverty, conflicts etc, just ensure the problem of immigration continues. Your view of not getting involved in Syria is flawed. Yet its because we never got boots on the ground, we have now seen the worst refugee crisis in years. So your view that they look after themselves just perpetuates this problem.

Yes it does... other people in other nations have managed to build their countries up... what makes Africans so incapable of doing so for themselves...?

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to make things happen... if only they could be bothered...

Why havent they created for themselves the things they try to get to europe to have...?

Have they Tommy?

Who taught you mathematics?

Has this advanced through the ages

How do you think this country advanced itself?

By exploitation and war?

They have learnt how to have an elitist system and exploitation from the Europeans. Hence why they have continued to have problems. Its Europeans greatest legacy we left them we. Teach a few education, have an elitist system that exploits the rest.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Yes it does... other people in other nations have managed to build their countries up... what makes Africans so incapable of doing so for themselves...?

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to make things happen... if only they could be bothered...

Why havent they created for themselves the things they try to get to europe to have...?

Have they Tommy?

Who taught you mathematics?

Has this advanced through the ages

How do you think this country advanced itself?

By exploitation and war?

They have learnt how to have an elitist system and exploitation from the Europeans. Hence why they have continued to have problems. Its Europeans greatest legacy we left them we. Teach a few education, have an elitist system that exploits the rest.

Waffle...

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to utilise as a work force...

Why havent they built things up for themselves more...?

Why havent they built up industry and manufacturing plants to facilitate the production of stuff needed to build up the things they want...?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Have they Tommy?

Who taught you mathematics?

Has this advanced through the ages

How do you think this country advanced itself?

By exploitation and war?

They have learnt how to have an elitist system and exploitation from the Europeans. Hence why they have continued to have problems. Its Europeans greatest legacy we left them we. Teach a few education, have an elitist system that exploits the rest.

Waffle...

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to utilise as a work force...

Why havent they built things up for themselves more...?

Why havent they built up industry and manufacturing plants to facilitate the production of stuff needed to build up the things they want...?

So was the Uk for centuries and how many centuries did it take for the Uk to get to the advanced state that we see today Tommy?

They have built many things for themselves, as what on earth do you call the Pyramids?

They are building up industries and manufacturing plants, but this requires investments and money Tommy. It also more importantly requires having more facilities like schools to teach people and to have qualifications.

For example this country only got really going after it had plundered the wealth of nations like India. Hence why you saw the Industrial Revolution. We had the money to invest in business etc and even then the vast majority were in abject poverty and uneducated. It took two centuries before people were finally able to have free education and health care. Which only happened in the last century. I mean it really shows how little you understand anything Tommy.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:48 pm

More waffle...

As i said, majority of other countries and their peoples have managed to build their countries up over time... using their own resources and people etc... designing and building the stuff themselves, and being creative and innovative, and inventing and working stuff out by themselves etc...

Why havent Africans done this...?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:More waffle...

As i said, majority of other countries and their peoples have managed to build their countries up over time... using their own resources and people etc... designing and building the stuff themselves, and being creative and innovative, and inventing and working stuff out by themselves etc...

Why havent Africans done this...?

Have they managed to build their countries up?
How long did this take and where did the money come from Tommy?
Africa is building up its infrastructure but again it takes money and investment.
What do you fail to grasp with that?
The Europeans only relinquished their control of Africa in the last 60 years. Leaving many of them without stability, but tyrants that have instead caused countless wars and conflict. Maybe you would like to explain how you can build up infrastructure with conflicts?

So its not a case of Africa not doing this, as African nations have some of the fastest growing economies in the world. Showing again you have no idea what you are talking about Tommy, hence the waffle is coming from you. Sadly you think it can all be built and put in place over night.

Like I said, how long did it take European nations to get to the stage there are at today?

Answer the question

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:15 pm

Money is also 'man made'... and has been around in various forms for over 2000 years...

There was nothing stopping them making their own money either...

That is just another example of their inability of being able to do things for themselves...

I am asking why they have been so unable to do things for themselves...?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Money is also 'man made'... and has been around in various forms for over 2000 years...

There was nothing stopping them making their own money either...

That is just another example of their inability of being able to do things for themselves...

I am asking why they have been so unable to do things for themselves...?

Money is nothing more than an invented form of currency, just as Gold is and many other things are.

They do now make their own money and they are doing things for themselves but its about getting millions out of Poverty, which India and other nations world wide are having to manage.

Hence again you failed to answer my question did you not Tommy

Still waiting for one

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:34 pm

Thorin wrote:
nicko wrote:I see pictures on TV of these starving people, "Not been any rain for years" says the reporter, no rain for years, then they show pictures of starving babies. Starving they may be, so why do they keep "knocking" babies out when they know they can't feed them? Condoms and birth pills could help.

Its not a crime to bring life into this world Nicko. What is wrong is that a nation does not provide education,health care and jobs, giving them the proper chance in life they need. Part of this problem is the Catholic Church with them being anti-birth control, but are you seriously saying that people should stop expressing their love for each other by having sex? What would you say if someone said you were banned from having sex? I am sure you would tell them to fuck off. So don't blame the people for what is not their fault. You were lucky enough to be born onto a nation where you never faced any hardship that many of these people suffer. Just when I say to the likes of Sassy to try living in your shoes when you have been in combat, try attempting to live in theirs.

If they know they're going to be bringing a baby into a world where life can't be sustained very well, then it is their fault.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Its not a crime to bring life into this world Nicko. What is wrong is that a nation does not provide education,health care and jobs, giving them the proper chance in life they need. Part of this problem is the Catholic Church with them being anti-birth control, but are you seriously saying that people should stop expressing their love for each other by having sex? What would you say if someone said you were banned from having sex? I am sure you would tell them to fuck off. So don't blame the people for what is not their fault. You were lucky enough to be born onto a nation where you never faced any hardship that many of these people suffer. Just when I say to the likes of Sassy to try living in your shoes when you have been in combat, try attempting to live in theirs.

If they know they're going to be bringing a baby into a world where life can't be sustained very well, then it is their fault.

Really based on what reasoning?

So if tomorrow their is a world drought, is then every parent culpable and at fault to not feed their children?

You see your argument is based on a premise that they cannot feed or sustain them, when the reality is the world can do so.

Your argument is a false premise, because nobody knows what the futures holds

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:38 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If they know they're going to be bringing a baby into a world where life can't be sustained very well, then it is their fault.

Really based on what reasoning?

So if tomorrow their is a world drought, is then every parent culpable and at fault to not feed their children?

You see your argument is based on a premise that they cannot feed or sustain them, when the reality is the world can do so.

Your argument is a false premise, because nobody knows what the futures holds

I said "if they know". If they can't feed them or sustain them, then they're responsible for that, not the world.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Really based on what reasoning?

So if tomorrow their is a world drought, is then every parent culpable and at fault to not feed their children?

You see your argument is based on a premise that they cannot feed or sustain them, when the reality is the world can do so.

Your argument is a false premise, because nobody knows what the futures holds

I said "if they know". If they can't feed them or sustain them, then they're responsible for that, not the world.

How can anyone know the future Rags?

Your argument is based in hindsight

They are never going to be responsible when they world can provide for them.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:43 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I said "if they know". If they can't feed them or sustain them, then they're responsible for that, not the world.

How can anyone know the future Rags?

Your argument is based in hindsight

They are never going to be responsible when they world can provide for them.

There always seems to be trouble of some sort there, so they do know the future. They are responsible for their own children.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

How can anyone know the future Rags?

Your argument is based in hindsight

They are never going to be responsible when they world can provide for them.

There always seems to be trouble of some sort there, so they do know the future. They are responsible for their own children.

Everybody is responsible for their own children, but then why do we have free schooling or health care Rags?

So your statement is not really true is it?

Again how can anyone predict the future?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:48 pm

So...

As i said, majority of other countries and their peoples have managed to build their countries up over time... using their own resources and people etc... designing and building the stuff themselves, and being creative and innovative, and inventing and working stuff out by themselves etc...

Why havent Africans done this...?

Why is it that Africans are so far behind everyone else in the world still today...?

Why is it that although 'water wells' and the 'viaduct' has been thought of and used for over 2000 years etc... that so many Africans have not been able to think of these themselves, but instead think it is better to walk 10 miles each way every day to get water from a pool where animals are standing in it and are pissing and shitting in it, rather than go another 5 mins further to get clean water from the source of the spring...?

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So...

As i said, majority of other countries and their peoples have managed to build their countries up over time... using their own resources and people etc... designing and building the stuff themselves, and being creative and innovative, and inventing and working stuff out by themselves etc...

Why havent Africans done this...?

Why is it that Africans are so far behind everyone else in the world still today...?

Why is it that although 'water wells' and the 'viaduct' has been thought of and used for over 2000 years etc... that so many Africans have not been able to think of these themselves, but instead think it is better to walk 10 miles each way every day to get water from a pool where animals are standing in it and are pissing and shitting in it, rather than go another 5 mins further to get clean water from the source of the spring...?

So again Tommy repeats himself and fails to answer my points

He then thinks all people are now born engineers and that those who built the aqueducts, (not viaducts, as they are merely bridge type structures Laughing

) were never taught this. Or that the Roman Empire that built them ruled the majority of the known world at the time. Having extreme wealth. What a failed argument as all these fail into disrepair after the Roman Empire was destroyed. Maybe Tommy can ask, why this went into ruin in the UK after the fall of the Roman Empire and it took centuries before we had proper sanitation and clean drinking water? Which helps makes my point, so thanks Tommy.

We get to the usual Tommy scenario

Circular argument

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:56 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

There always seems to be trouble of some sort there, so they do know the future. They are responsible for their own children.

Everybody is responsible for their own children, but then why do we have free schooling or health care Rags?

So your statement is not really true is it?

Again how can anyone predict the future?

If there isn't free schooling or health care, it is true. I don't know what the situation is there tbh, but we're always hearing about one problem after another, and about people starving all the time. I guess they're different people, but it seems to happen with dreadful regularity.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Everybody is responsible for their own children, but then why do we have free schooling or health care Rags?

So your statement is not really true is it?

Again how can anyone predict the future?

If there isn't free schooling or health care, it is true. I don't know what the situation is there tbh, but we're always hearing about one problem after another, and about people starving all the time. I guess they're different people, but it seems to happen with dreadful regularity.

To me Rags, part of the problem is beliefs like the Roman catholic church, but to me the way to solve the migration crisis, is to help resolve the core reason why many people are leaving. Help those nations become far more self reliant, have education, infrastructure etc.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:00 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If there isn't free schooling or health care, it is true. I don't know what the situation is there tbh, but we're always hearing about one problem after another, and about people starving all the time. I guess they're different people, but it seems to happen with dreadful regularity.

To me Rags, part of the problem is beliefs like the Roman catholic church, but to me the way to solve the migration crisis, is to help resolve the core reason why many people are leaving. Help those nations become far more self reliant, have education, infrastructure etc.

Are people forced to be Roman Catholics, and is it illegal to use contraception there?

I agree they should be more self reliant. It amazes me that all the money from charity and foreign aid all these years doesn't seem to have made any difference.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

To me Rags, part of the problem is beliefs like the Roman catholic church, but to me the way to solve the migration crisis, is to help resolve the core reason why many people are leaving. Help those nations become far more self reliant, have education, infrastructure etc.

Are people forced to be Roman Catholics, and is it illegal to use contraception there?

I agree they should be more self reliant. It amazes me that all the money from charity and foreign aid all these years doesn't seem to have made any difference.

I think some has been very beneficial, but much has been wasted when its not put into education and infrastructure. I know you do not like him rags, but please watch as this interesting.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Are people forced to be Roman Catholics, and is it illegal to use contraception there?

I agree they should be more self reliant. It amazes me that all the money from charity and foreign aid all these years doesn't seem to have made any difference.

I think some has been very beneficial, but much has been wasted when its not put into education and infrastructure. I know you do not like him rags, but please watch as this interesting.

I thought that many charities do exactly what he's suggesting. They don't just buy food, they pay for the means for people to produce their own. I'm always reading about that kind of thing, and yet it doesn't seem to help much.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I think some has been very beneficial, but much has been wasted when its not put into education and infrastructure. I know you do not like him rags, but please watch as this interesting.

I thought that many charities do exactly what he's suggesting. They don't just buy food, they pay for the means for people to produce their own. I'm always reading about that kind of thing, and yet it doesn't seem to help much.

I think he is right on this and that it is about empowering people, by providing them with the necessary skills and education. To me that is the key going forward

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:19 pm

Yes i meant aqueduct...

Questions remain...

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:23 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes i meant aqueduct...

Questions remain...

Yes the questions I have posed have not been answered by you Tommy.

You actually helped prove my point.

As we also had these aqueducts and they fell into disrepair, because we lost that knowledge and it had to be worked out again and it took countless centuries to do so. So why is that Tommy? I mean based on your reasoning, why were millions of English people using rivers that people pissed and shat in for centuries?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:27 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:So...

As i said, majority of other countries and their peoples have managed to build their countries up over time... using their own resources and people etc... designing and building the stuff themselves, and being creative and innovative, and inventing and working stuff out by themselves etc...

Why havent Africans done this...?

Why is it that Africans are so far behind everyone else in the world still today...?

Why is it that although 'water wells' and the 'viaduct' has been thought of and used for over 2000 years etc... that so many Africans have not been able to think of these themselves, but instead think it is better to walk 10 miles each way every day to get water from a pool where animals are standing in it and are pissing and shitting in it, rather than go another 5 mins further to get clean water from the source of the spring...?

So again Tommy repeats himself and fails to answer my points

He then thinks all people are now born engineers and that those who built the aqueducts, (not viaducts, as they are merely bridge type structures ) were never taught this. Or that the Roman Empire that built them ruled the majority of the known world at the time. Having extreme wealth. What a failed argument as all these fail into disrepair after the Roman Empire was destroyed. Maybe Tommy can ask, why this went into ruin in the UK after the fall of the Roman Empire and it took centuries before we had proper sanitation and clean drinking water? Which helps makes my point, so thanks Tommy.

We get to the usual Tommy scenario

Circular argument

I wasnt talking about the uk...

And there are countless examples other than aqueduct...

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So again Tommy repeats himself and fails to answer my points

He then thinks all people are now born engineers and that those who built the aqueducts, (not viaducts, as they are merely bridge type structures ) were never taught this. Or that the Roman Empire that built them ruled the majority of the known world at the time. Having extreme wealth. What a failed argument as all these fail into disrepair after the Roman Empire was destroyed. Maybe Tommy can ask, why this went into ruin in the UK after the fall of the Roman Empire and it took centuries before we had proper sanitation and clean drinking water? Which helps makes my point, so thanks Tommy.

We get to the usual Tommy scenario

Circular argument

I wasnt talking about the uk...

And there are countless examples other than aqueduct...

Love it. Talk about running away from your own failed point when it works against you.

There are countless examples of lost knowledge throughout human history and it could easily happen again. If their was a global disaster and this is what you fail to grasp Tommy. That we are not born with this knowledge. That we have to learn this and we only have this knowledge due to a very few innovative unselfish people that passed on their wisdom.

Now let me know when you are going to answer my points which you have continually failed to do so.

This will only continue, when you do so.

All the best

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:35 pm

I think that the first important thing is that people want to improve things in their own country rather than leave.

by Guest Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that the first important thing is that people want to improve things in their own country rather than leave.

I agree and think that is very important, but they need to have empowerment.

Anyway, all the best Rags

Night

by HoratioTarr Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

How can anyone know the future Rags?

Your argument is based in hindsight

They are never going to be responsible when they world can provide for them.

There always seems to be trouble of some sort there, so they do know the future. They are responsible for their own children.

I suspect they have children because they represent care for the future when the adults are old. The family unit is more able to survive if there are several people who can potentially earn for the future. With child mortality being what it is in third world countries, the more they have the better. The irony of this, of course, is that they also stand a higher risk of starving when times are bad. It's a tradition so deeply rooted. Also, I don't doubt that the men call the shots when it comes to sex.

by Guest Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:07 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

There always seems to be trouble of some sort there, so they do know the future. They are responsible for their own children.

I suspect they have children because they represent care for the future when the adults are old. The family unit is more able to survive if there are several people who can potentially earn for the future. With child mortality being what it is in third world countries, the more they have the better. The irony of this, of course, is that they also stand a higher risk of starving when times are bad. It's a tradition so deeply rooted. Also, I don't doubt that the men call the shots when it comes to sex.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:03 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So again Tommy repeats himself and fails to answer my points

He then thinks all people are now born engineers and that those who built the aqueducts, (not viaducts, as they are merely bridge type structures ) were never taught this. Or that the Roman Empire that built them ruled the majority of the known world at the time. Having extreme wealth. What a failed argument as all these fail into disrepair after the Roman Empire was destroyed. Maybe Tommy can ask, why this went into ruin in the UK after the fall of the Roman Empire and it took centuries before we had proper sanitation and clean drinking water? Which helps makes my point, so thanks Tommy.

We get to the usual Tommy scenario

Circular argument

I wasnt talking about the uk...

And there are countless examples other than aqueduct...

History degree...?

But you dont know that aqueducts were being built by people nearly 2000 years before the Romans...!!!???

lol!

But Africans still havnt thought of it 4000 years later... or maybe just cant be bothered to put in the extra work needed... or dont want to do the work and have others benefiting from having a new water delivery system if they have done nothing towards building it...

by Guest Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:16 am

So Tommy states that Aqueducts have been used for 2,000 years and changes this to say. They were used for 2,000 years before the Romans. Which would make that 4,500 years.

lol!

So is that they were used for 2,000 years Tommy or 4,500?

lol!

As you do realise that aqueducts are still used today?

lol!

I guess maths is not one of Tommy's strong points nor his history as i guess he had to look up that the earliest known basic Aqueducts and I mean very basic were found in Minoan societies, which the earliest was 1,500 years before the Romans. Which would mean 4,000 years.

lol!

So 2,000 years before the Romans is 4,500 years and not 4,000.

lol!

So based on this knowledge that Tommy is passing, why is it Tommy that the English never thought of this either and never have?

lol!

I guess Tommy does not think Africa has any water infrastructure supplies. Maybe he can tell what the Usuma Dam does? One of the many water infrastructures that Africa has.

You know when Tommy is desperate as he continues to get all his points wrong

lol!

I guess this is how Tommy must look at the moment

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp - Page 2 Egg+on+your+face

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp - Page 2 Egg+on+your+face

You see when people do not know history as clearly Tommy does not, then it makes for great entertainment

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp - Page 2 1716015268

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp - Page 2 1716015268

by Tommy Monk Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:20 am

I said thought of and used over 2000 years ago...

Then you started banging on about the Romans starting to build the aqueducts, and about the uk...

I said i wasnt talking about the uk... and that aqueducts were being built nearly 2000 years before that...

But in all this time... Africans still havnt sorted out the basics...!

Why is that...?

by Guest Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:35 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I said thought of and used over 2000 years ago...

Then you started banging on about the Romans starting to build the aqueducts, and about the uk...

I said i wasnt talking about the uk... and that aqueducts were being built nearly 2000 years before that...

But in all this time... Africans still havnt sorted out the basics...!

Why is that...?

Well there is a huge difference between 2,000 years and 4,000 years is there not Tommy?

The reality is here you tried to look smart and looked up google on this failing to understand I actually do know history without google, you muppet. Hence how i was so easily able to ridicule you.

lol!

Then you go on about basics in regards to a continent and not African nations, showing how again you know next to nothing on each nations infrastructure.

Do you know what the funniest thing here is Tommy?

Is how further you prove my point. That you never knew any of this, without reading about this for yourself. That you yourself could not hope or even know how to build an aqueduct, without being taught. Where again this could only be possible. By a few innovative unselfish people passing on their wisdom.

Now you have failed to address so many of my points. Where you do as you always do and try poorly to avoid them. That is not going to happen here.

I only posted more here as it was hilarious to see you make a wally of yourself here mate lol!

Now go back and address my points, or you are done here.

Please feel free to have the last word if you must, but only if it actually counters my points, will you have a reply. Otherwise you are done here.

Enjoy and goodnight pirat

by Original Quill Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:39 am

Raggamuffin wrote:It amazes me that all the money from charity and foreign aid all these years doesn't seem to have made any difference.

I agree. That's why I say the best education for them is to have them come live in Europe or America. They learn...and it is not artificial, like these half-baked programs put up by the UN or WHO, or charities, etc.

The best way to give them western advantages, is to give then the advantage of experiencing the west.

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:45 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Have they Tommy?

Who taught you mathematics?

Has this advanced through the ages

How do you think this country advanced itself?

By exploitation and war?

They have learnt how to have an elitist system and exploitation from the Europeans. Hence why they have continued to have problems. Its Europeans greatest legacy we left them we. Teach a few education, have an elitist system that exploits the rest.

Waffle...

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to utilise as a work force...

Why havent they built things up for themselves more...?

Why havent they built up industry and manufacturing plants to facilitate the production of stuff needed to build up the things they want...?

Tommy does go on with a useless load of bullshit, doesn't he ???

There is a whopping great desert sitting smack bang there in the north of Africa, that is bigger than Australia (or at least it looks that way...). And dumbfuck Tommy also ignores how much of the remainder is still controlled by foreign corporations and countries.

Tommy also seems to believe that England actually invented industrialisation..

If it wasn't for the Romans, Celts, Saxons and Normans, the English would still be living in stone huts, hunting and gathering, and dying young...

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:07 am

Lord Foul wrote:
there are it seems only two choices

Either we build walls and watch towers armed with 50 cal.

OR

we go in armed to the teeth , on a multinational level with literally 10 million men and gear , and remove the various ineffective/corrupt dictators that run these countries and then give the peoples of those lands the leg up they need to drag themselves into the 21st century in their own lands.

The Dictators and Military regimes must be removed...

But, so must all of those foreign corporations and former-colonial masters who keep on propping up those couple of dozen corrupt government, as well -- all of those British, Dutch, French, German, Swiss, Russian, Chinese, American and Australian mining and oil companies who have basically stolen so many of the resources out from underneath so many disenfranchised African people..

And then there's all of those foreign farming families in places like Zimbabwe, Uganda, Kenya and South Africa whose forbears had those lands handed to them under military force, and where the former owners were forced to work as slaves at the barrel end of a gun..

Only when the indigenous African populace have their sovereignty, national resource bases, and self governance, returned to the rightful hands, will the ideal of a democratic and self-supporting Africa without petty dictators and foreign "robber barons" be recognised...

by 'Wolfie Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:17 am

Thorin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I suspect they have children because they represent care for the future when the adults are old. The family unit is more able to survive if there are several people who can potentially earn for the future. With child mortality being what it is in third world countries, the more they have the better. The irony of this, of course, is that they also stand a higher risk of starving when times are bad. It's a tradition so deeply rooted. Also, I don't doubt that the men call the shots when it comes to sex.

Trust a couple of selfish white-supremacist nongs like Raggs and Horatio to go blaming those 'orrible and ungrateful forunuz for these current problems, totally ignoring the long-term effects of raping and pillaging by endless hoardes of foreign interests...

From the barbarians, Mongols and Romans sweeping across the north of their continent, then those various Muslim groups from the 5th through to the 15th century, followed by European colonists chasing diamonds and gold and cheap farmlands, to those multinational oil and mining concerns who have been propping up corrupt regimes over the last 100+ years...

If people like Raggs, H/T and Tommy aren't part of the solution, then they must be part of the problem..

by Guest Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:24 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Trust a couple of selfish white-supremacist nongs like Raggs and Horatio to go blaming those 'orrible and ungrateful forunuz for these current problems, totally ignoring the long-term effects of raping and pillaging by endless hoardes of foreign interests -- from the barbarians, Mongols and Romans sweeping across the north of their continent, then those various Muslim groups from the 5th through to the 15th century, followed by European colonists chasing diamonds and gold and cheap farmlands, to those multinational oil and mining concerns who have been propping up corrupt regimes over the last 100+ years...

If people like Raggs, H/T and Tommy aren't part of the solution, then they must be part of the problem..

Neither Horatio or Rags blamed them, but rightly pointed out the fact that there is sexual discrimination within African societies. You want to understand rape, try South Africa where they think by raping girls it will cure aids and I am not joking. Horatio was spot on with how men are part of many of the problems in Africans.

So I rally have no time for your poor accusations calling them white supremacists, as its simple pathetic

by Raggamuffin Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:33 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It amazes me that all the money from charity and foreign aid all these years doesn't seem to have made any difference.

I agree. That's why I say the best education for them is to have them come live in Europe or America. They learn...and it is not artificial, like these half-baked programs put up by the UN or WHO, or charities, etc.

The best way to give them western advantages, is to give then the advantage of experiencing the west.

I wasn't talking about western advantages though. Do they need them? Sure, they appear to make life easier, but they can complicate it too. They can improve things in Africa without going OTT and becoming "westernised". Razz

by Raggamuffin Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:35 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Waffle...

Africa is a vast continent with the vast majority of that being lush green vegetation and full of natural resources... and plenty of people to utilise as a work force...

Why havent they built things up for themselves more...?

Why havent they built up industry and manufacturing plants to facilitate the production of stuff needed to build up the things they want...?

Tommy does go on with a useless load of bullshit, doesn't he ???

There is a whopping great desert sitting smack bang there in the north of Africa, that is bigger than Australia (or at least it looks that way...). And dumbfuck Tommy also ignores how much of the remainder is still controlled by foreign corporations and countries.

Tommy also seems to believe that England actually invented industrialisation..

If it wasn't for the Romans, Celts, Saxons and Normans, the English would still be living in stone huts, hunting and gathering, and dying young...

So are you suggesting that the English, Italians, and French should now go over to Africa and take over Africa in order to improve it? That didn't work too well before.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:38 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Trust a couple of selfish white-supremacist nongs like Raggs and Horatio to go blaming those 'orrible and ungrateful forunuz for these current problems, totally ignoring the long-term effects of raping and pillaging by endless hoardes of foreign interests...

From the barbarians, Mongols and Romans sweeping across the north of their continent, then those various Muslim groups from the 5th through to the 15th century, followed by European colonists chasing diamonds and gold and cheap farmlands, to those multinational oil and mining concerns who have been propping up corrupt regimes over the last 100+ years...

If people like Raggs, H/T and Tommy aren't part of the solution, then they must be part of the problem..

And yet you appear to be suggesting that the English benefited by being invaded by Romans and other groups, so you must think that Africa benefited too, or are you going to contradict yourself again?

by HoratioTarr Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:38 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Trust a couple of selfish white-supremacist nongs like Raggs and Horatio to go blaming those 'orrible and ungrateful forunuz for these current problems, totally ignoring the long-term effects of raping and pillaging by endless hoardes of foreign interests...

From the barbarians, Mongols and Romans sweeping across the north of their continent, then those various Muslim groups from the 5th through to the 15th century, followed by European colonists chasing diamonds and gold and cheap farmlands, to those multinational oil and mining concerns who have been propping up corrupt regimes over the last 100+ years...

If people like Raggs, H/T and Tommy aren't part of the solution, then they must be part of the problem..

Are you saying that women in these countries shouldn't have control over how many children they have? Are you saying that all babies born in Africa are the product of rape?

by HoratioTarr Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:25 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It amazes me that all the money from charity and foreign aid all these years doesn't seem to have made any difference.

I agree. That's why I say the best education for them is to have them come live in Europe or America. They learn...and it is not artificial, like these half-baked programs put up by the UN or WHO, or charities, etc.

The best way to give them western advantages, is to give then the advantage of experiencing the west.

And yet when the West came to them and colonised them it was an outrage. It was a case of take take take. When independence came, it was take take take. Corruption in Africa is rife and that's from their own people and Government. Plus, you have a lot of tribal wars going on. And why does the West always presume that people in third world countries are better off in their world? Don't you think they'd be better off in their own environment being helped that way? Encouraging people to leave their country is like cutting off the head to cure the disease.

Africa is actually a very rich country in resources. Why do you think it got colonised in the first place? Southern Sudan is a huge fertile country with lots of rainfall and reserves of minerals and oil. And yet it's torn apart with tribal warfare. War creates destitution.

Ghana was the richest country in Africa when it obtained independence. A few years later, it had no foreign reserves of any consequence. The money was spent on projects that turned out to be a waste of resources. Take the construction of the Aswan Dam - the block of the natural flow of the Nile River meant that the Nile's natural supply of nitrate fertilizer and organic material was blocked. Now, about one-third of the dam's electric output goes directly into fertilizer production for what was previously the most fertile area on the planet. Moreover, the dam is silting up and may cease to serve any useful purpose within the next few centuries. In addition, the Mediterranean Sea is slowly becoming more saline as the Nile River previously provided it with most of its new fresh water influx.

Perhaps something needs to be done about the affluent white landowners who own 82 percent of arable land in South Africa? Give some back to the indigenous people might be a start. But that won't help the whole continent. It's not that simple.

"On the surface we are blessed with infinite beauty and abundance of flora and fauna. Producing the most exquisite harvest of coffee, cocoa, fruits, vegetables... and culture. You name it, we've got it.

We also have diverse wildlife and vast marine resources. [...] A true paradise. They also had the first modern university in Africa and prior to that the first university in the world was founded in the kingdom of Timbuktu.

At a deeper level we are blessed with the real treasures that the kings and queens of this world desire. Diamonds and gold are commonly found in people's backyards. You'll also find about 20 precious minerals and recently huge oil reserves have also been discovered.

‍Platinum
Iron ore (the largest in Africa)
Zinc
Chrome
Phosphate
Potassium
Nickel
Exquisite timber like mahogany and teak
... all the stuff that goes straight into your computers, laptops and mobile devices.

https://www.poverties.org/blog/poverty-in-africa

So, encouraging the people to leave will probably fall right into the hands of those wishing to continue to exploit Africa and her resources.

Africa is not poor. Africa is just poorly managed
Architect Mumo Museva

by Raggamuffin Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:34 am

Anyway, what good will it do if they go and live in Europe? That's not going to help Africa is it?

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