WATCH: THE ANTI-MIGRANT VIDEO GOING VIRAL ACROSS EUROPE

by eddie Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:35 pm

Whatever your views, this video is going viral and YouTube have tried to ban it

I suggest it's watched

Save this link
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

YouTube trying to ban it

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:48 pm

Stopped watching after 5 minutes.
Just like i sated on the other thread, this is hate propaganda, again as stated on the other thread trying to dehumanise all people from a group with stereotes. It is playing off fear and making hate acceptable. Yes we need to tackle the problems of extremis, but yiou do not combat extremism with hateful extremism.

by eddie Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:57 pm

If you haven't watched it all the way through, you simply cannot make a proper judgement.

No disrespect, I appreciate your view, but I'd like to discuss this with someone who's watched it didge.

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:05 pm

I certainly can when from the start the emphasis is a view of fear on people cioming here which maks empahsis on humans with black faces Eddie.
I have studied the history of racism to know full well racist drivel when i see it.
Anything that attempts to dehumanise groups of people through a fear of them coming is hateful propaganda bullshit. Groups of people are being basically deemed as inferior, creating a climate of fear through the criminal acts of some.

by HoratioTarr Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:28 pm

eddie wrote:If you haven't watched it all the way through, you simply cannot make a proper judgement.

No disrespect, I appreciate your view, but I'd like to discuss this with someone who's watched it didge.

The problem with being multi cultural is that it doesn't work. It never has and never will. Any attempts at multiculturalism is a veneer, and it can crack very easily. Too, it's not just about being white or black, it's about different ethnic cultures refusing to mingle and integrate with each other. The highest levels of segregation recorded anywhere in the UK are those between Indians and Pakistanis in towns in the north of England.

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:42 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:If you haven't watched it all the way through, you simply cannot make a proper judgement.

No disrespect, I appreciate your view, but I'd like to discuss this with someone who's watched it didge.

The problem with being multi cultural is that it doesn't work. It never has and never will. Any attempts at multiculturalism is a veneer, and it can crack very easily. Too, it's not just about being white or black, it's about different ethnic cultures refusing to mingle and integrate with each other. The highest levels of segregation recorded anywhere in the UK are those between Indians and Pakistanis in towns in the north of England.

Accept that claim is an utter falsehood, being as this and many other nations are the culmination of many cultures through time. Placing a climate of fear of immigrants themselves is a very hateful view to promote. it does not centre on who is to blame for wrongs committed, those that do them and also excusees those that run nations where the security checks are inadequate. You tackle problems like this and others with workable solutions. Most videos like this play off fear and make a poor argument, which is not going to ever solve the problems like for example in regardfs to refuees. Making an asserion that groups of humans are incompatiable, when daily and through history many people are living proof that they can live peacefully together and there is thus no real reason why they cannot live peacefully togather. Is the poorest attempt to justify and ligitimise discrmination.
You do not change bad beliefs, but instilling far worse beliefs, its regrssive and not progressive. If there is problems, you look to rsolve those problems for the good of all people. As by looking to move problems away, fails to resolve anythung. You have to tackle the core problems with bad beliefs. Just as has been done by ending slavery, Apartheid, bringing about women's rights etc.

by veya_victaous Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:47 pm

I think the problem is that ISIS are against the refugees, they want to cause suffering to the refugees and to have the refugees Isolated have those children with the refugees feel the mindless hate from Europe as it will indoctrinate them and make them easy targets to recruit for future attacks.

Those Videos and the sentiment of Blaming refugees or blaming Muslims is literally doing ISIS's work.
the one about 12 mins in explains the problem (the ones staying in the castle) , even if they are housed they are not given working visas there is not programs to keep them occupied and to help assist them resettle.

It is not easy but Europe could deal with the refugees crisis better, it has been too slow.

Even with the EU, If Europe had united properly and stopped buggering around then UK Germany etc would have funded the boarder control for Greece etc and not have left them to collapse and now whinge that there is no internal control...
the free movement with in Europe obviously would require the rich western and northern nations to fund the majority of the boarder control for the Mediterranean and eastern Europe. But it seems that when coming to actually paying up the rich nations have all tried to avoid it, but willing stopped paying for the internal boarder control, so now you have the situation now.

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:56 pm

the trouble is didge is wrong, at least in his belief that there are "workable solutions"

we have two completely polarised world views

one WONT make any concessions
the other MUST NOT

islam

rejects human rights ...if it suits their "book"
are against individual freedom of any sort, demanding an even greater "hive mind" than the lefty
Demands "its rights" when it intrudes into another culture
but also demands that the host cultures rights are negated
and so on....

what chance of a workable solution is there with THAT as the "enemy"

by veya_victaous Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:58 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:If you haven't watched it all the way through, you simply cannot make a proper judgement.

No disrespect, I appreciate your view, but I'd like to discuss this with someone who's watched it didge.

The problem with being multi cultural is that it doesn't work. It never has and never will. Any attempts at multiculturalism is a veneer, and it can crack very easily. Too, it's not just about being white or black, it's about different ethnic cultures refusing to mingle and integrate with each other. The highest levels of segregation recorded anywhere in the UK are those between Indians and Pakistanis in towns in the north of England.

It works down under...

the issue is Europeans are too Nationalistic and un-accepting of immigrants.
rather than try and actively assimilate the migrants through hybridization of cultures Europeans stick to the little small minded small world where anything not from their valley is crap and not to be trusted or even tried. This 'Ghetto Culture' of Local Europeans means that any group of migrants just creates their own ghetto and as everyone just sticks to their little local community there is no integration of cultures and there is not much knowledge or understanding of each other.
This also means that those migrant ghettos retain any grievances and animosities from the lands they came from as they are still just living among those similar.

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:04 pm

No veya...they have just decided you are too unimportant to bother with at the moment

you are considered "mostly harmless"

besides why bother mounting a costly excercise against a target worth 50c ? Razz

by veya_victaous Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:06 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the trouble is didge is wrong, at least in his belief that there are "workable solutions"

we have two completely polarised world views

one WONT make any concessions
the other MUST NOT

islam

rejects human rights ...if it suits their "book"
are against individual freedom of any sort, demanding an even greater "hive mind" than the lefty
Demands "its rights" when it intrudes into another culture
but also demands that the host cultures rights are negated
and so on....

what chance of a workable solution is there with THAT as the "enemy"

there is always a workable solution with moderates,
ISIS, no there is not, but they hardly represent most Muslims, the extremists are among the smallest minority of Muslims .

IF it is US versus THEM then we must be clear about who We are
If 'we' are the civilized people of the world that deplore the sort of atrocity that occurred in Paris then WE number in the billions, easily 1 and half billion Muslims are on our side.
If 'them' consists of those that promote mindless hate and violence against innocent people for an ideology... you have to be careful that you do not join the enemy ranks.

You are either with the 'Death Cult' of ISIS or with the Life Cult of 'Civilization'

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:14 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the trouble is didge is wrong, at least in his belief that there are "workable solutions"

we have two completely polarised world views

one WONT make any concessions
the other MUST NOT

islam

rejects human rights ...if it suits their "book"
are against individual freedom of any sort, demanding an even greater "hive mind" than the lefty
Demands "its rights" when it intrudes into another culture
but also demands that the host cultures rights are negated
and so on....

what chance of a workable solution is there with THAT as the "enemy"

Actually you are in errior Victpr.
Beliefs are changeable and to play off how some act in beliefs to then condemn all within a belif system is exactly what the nazis did with the Jews. That Judiams was incompatiable with democracy, that Jews were trying to take over th world, were raping women tc etc. It is that kind of poor mentality and belief that makes such views no better than the extremists themselves and fails to solve anythinng. So such views are flawed and fail to tackle problems where instead theypromote fear. You will never help change beliefs, by forming your own extremism, which in fact then becomes compatiable with those who ar extremist.
All 3 Abrahamic faiths openly discrminate, promote the worst forms of racism and can place something they cannot prove exist of higer importance to everything that does exist. Again rhey are beliefs and beliefs can and do change.

I certainly think what is needed is that some left wing idiots need to stop making the poorest apologist arguments for terrorism and fail to be openly critical of poor beliefs, as they have this hypocritical double standard, thinking to challeng belifs is discriminating. The fact that you find the mot progressive Muslim wiithin the West further shows how beliefs and even more so believers adapt and make progressive their faiths with tiem. To claim something cannot change, when it is just beliefs, would mean you think it is impopsible for beliefs to adapt, change etc.. Hence there is always a solution to tackle poor belifs. Henc why humanity has progressed to the level it is at oday. Its th one pet hate you have, that has always been able to achieve success in solving problems and conintues to do so.
Progression.
Thus it is very important to talk and help find solutions to problems.
It is not helpful or a solution by pushing a problem away.
That solves nothing

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:15 pm

and thats demonstrable nonsense veya...

and I offer a prime example of fuzzy

I suppose HE must be considered "moderate" since he doesnt seem to want anyone blown up....

BUT

look at his cave dweller attitude to gays...

look at the attitude shown to gays around Muslim areas

same with drink

what about Human rights....

ALL muslin countries sytematically kill people,generally in the most barbaric manner, often for ridiculous crimes like apostasy or insulting "allah" or even a cleric...

many would and DO stone people for adultery

I dont know what fuzzy thinks of that.....but i am quite willing to bet that many many that are here NOW would quite happily go along with that sort of thing....

and the demand that THEY can keep their "culture" whilst we should "moderate ours" is certainly NOT a minority view point....

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:24 pm

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:the trouble is didge is wrong, at least in his belief that there are "workable solutions"

we have two completely polarised world views

one WONT make any concessions
the other MUST NOT

islam

rejects human rights ...if it suits their "book"
are against individual freedom of any sort, demanding an even greater "hive mind" than the lefty
Demands "its rights" when it intrudes into another culture
but also demands that the host cultures rights are negated
and so on....

what chance of a workable solution is there with THAT as the "enemy"

Actually you are in errior Victpr.
Beliefs are changeable and to play off how some act in beliefs to then condemn all within a belif system is exactly what the nazis did with the Jews. That Judiams was incompatiable with democracy, that Jews were trying to take over th world, were raping women tc etc.

this is a repeated theme in your posts that does not stand critical scrutiny in the context of the present problem.
vis those things said about jews were clearly and demonstrably a lie, they were not "truths whipped up for propaganda"

however it IS true that the majority of Muslims are irredeemably against human rights if those rights conflict with the barbarism of their book...look at almost any Muslim nation and you can be put to death for criticising islam. and certainly in many if not all middle easter Muslim nations for, shock horror...having a bible.
There is also No Doubt about the FACT that they run around demanding this right or that right...but wish to extinguish OUR rights
as I said ... I doubt fuzzy would actually throw EIL off the top of a building but he would (just like tommy actually) marginalise him and make his life a misery and tghis is NOT the view of a deranged individual either is it?
the charges laid at the door of islam are a world away from the propaganda lies of the nazis against the Jews....One is demomnstrably true the other was pure fantasy...

It is that kind of poor mentality and belief that makes such views no better than the extremists themselves and fails to solve anythinng. So such views are flawed and fail to tackle problems where instead theypromote fear. You will never help change beliefs, by forming your own extremism, which in fact then becomes compatiable with those who ar extremist.
All 3 Abrahamic faiths openly discrminate, promote the worst forms of racism and can place something they cannot prove exist of higer importance to everything that does exist. Again rhey are beliefs and beliefs can and do change.

I certainly think what is needed is that some left wing idiots need to stop making the poorest apologist arguments for terrorism and fail to be openly critical of poor beliefs, as they have this hypocritical double standard, thinking to challeng belifs is discriminating. The fact that you find the mot progressive Muslim wiithin the West further shows how beliefs and even more so believers adapt and make progressive their faiths with tiem. To claim something cannot change, when it is just beliefs, would mean you think it is impopsible for beliefs to adapt, change etc.. Hence there is always a solution to tackle poor belifs. Henc why humanity has progressed to the level it is at oday. Its th one pet hate you have, that has always been able to achieve success in solving problems and conintues to do so.
Progression.
Thus it is very important to talk and help find solutions to problems.
It is not helpful or a solution by pushing a problem away.
That solves nothing

by Major Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:29 pm

I have posted this somewhere, might have even been here, in the wrong place knowing me. lol

by veya_victaous Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:29 pm

Lord Foul wrote:and thats demonstrable nonsense veya...

and I offer a prime example of fuzzy

I suppose HE must be considered "moderate" since he doesnt seem to want anyone blown up....

BUT

look at his cave dweller attitude to gays...

look at the attitude shown to gays around Muslim areas

same with drink

what about Human rights....

ALL muslin countries sytematically kill people,generally in the most barbaric manner, often for ridiculous crimes like apostasy or insulting "allah" or even a cleric...

many would and DO stone people for adultery

I dont know what fuzzy thinks of that.....but i am quite willing to bet that many many that are here NOW would quite happily go along with that sort of thing....

and the demand that THEY can keep their "culture" whilst we should "moderate ours" is certainly NOT a minority view point....

Except he is in the UK so doesn't live in a multicultural society he lives in one of the ethnic ghettos Europe creates/is Rolling Eyes

And what exactly is your point That some people would like crazy laws.. pretty sure you fit that too with some of your blanket statements Suspect

Tommy does he doesn't want gay marriage either do many Christians.

The point is ALL everyone needs to agree to is following the secular laws first and foremost (which i have seen him say he does) A secular religious person of any religion is of equal 'issue' and that is not much if they hold secularism first.

Maybe that is the actual key? the focus on secularism scratch

and secular ideals of freedom.

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:38 pm

Again Victor as stated in my last posts, beliefs are changeable and adpatable. As the west was once very literal in its Christian belifs. Many of these discrminating beliefs were openly and directly challened as wrong. Over time we have seen many beleifs and change with Christian believers. Which is why I say that one of the biggest factors that is driving the level of extremism today, is a fear of change. It is progrssion that some Muslims fear, that would see Islam rendered to a personal belief. We had this problem in the west too, where manny people feared the loss of religious control. What then some of these Muslims fail to understand just as literal Christians did in the past, is that change is inevitable. Progression has been the one steady constant in humanities history.

The reason some religious people get more extreme the more they think their religion will cease to control. is because society is thus fundementally proving that god of that religion clearly does not exist. . That it could not be a loving God or a perfect God. It is basically stating that if that God existed, its moral and ethical views can be very much pooer than a humans. By rendering the beliefs which they take as divine as inferior and wrong, comepletly dispels that this deity could ever be perfect, just and loving.

Your argument is fundementally flawed from the start Victor

Beliefs are changeable and to claim otheriwse is pure bullshit

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:40 pm

Well then They...had better change...and quick....

because since it has escaped your notice the law of the land here IS secular
but many many of them DONT want to play nice...they want their ways.....

more over many things that are not exactly laws but matters of common decency escape them

whether written into law explicitly or not...I have the right to expect to see the face of any person who whishes to engage me in conversation or even for that matter wishes my aid...so that i may discern his/her intent...

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:55 pm

Didge wrote:Again Victor as stated in my last posts, beliefs are changeable and adpatable. As the west was once very literal in its Christian belifs. Many of these discrminating beliefs were openly and directly challened as wrong. Over time we have seen many beleifs and change with Christian believers. Which is why I say that one of the biggest factors that is driving the level of extremism today, is a fear of change. It is progrssion that some Muslims fear, that would see Islam rendered to a personal belief. We had this problem in the west too, where manny people feared the loss of religious control. What then some of these Muslims fail to understand just as literal Christians did in the past, is that change is inevitable. Progression has been the one steady constant in humanities history.

The reason some religious people get more extreme the more they think their religion will cease to control. is because society is thus fundementally proving that god of that religion clearly does not exist. . That it could not be a loving God or a perfect God. It is basically stating that if that God existed, its moral and ethical views can be very much pooer than a humans. By rendering the beliefs which they take as divine as inferior and wrong, comepletly dispels that this deity could ever be perfect, just and loving.

Your argument is fundementally flawed from the start Victor

Beliefs are changeable and to claim otheriwse is pure bullshit

I never said they couldnt be changed..but that depends on the willingness of the people involved to change....and of course on the ability of the belief itself to change

the changes wrought on christianity were changes of "expediency" since the churches were in danger of total marginalisation. due in the main to laws passed around the 1600's to the effect that you may beleive or not as you will. And many chose not to...

the same cant/wont happen to islam, since there is no one "authority" nor, unless something happens, are any of the nations involved going to change....

you also miss one little point ...despite those changes in law back then its STILL taken 400 odd years to get where we are...

I dont like to point this out...BUT...we aint GOT 400 years.........

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:58 pm

It is secularism that has brought about change and always has done. All 3 faiths in their literal belief systems are appalling as justfiy eternal punishement for an invented crime of disbelief. it shows how fundemntally flawed it is to claim such an intelligent being would be so emotive and hateful over something so insignificant and trivial.

The point is Victor, you are using a methodology, that many religions themselves fundementally play off the very same thing you are doing now.
Fear

It is fear of dying that drive people to believe. It is a fear of eternalretribution for not believing, that fundementally denies a peersonto rationally think. The fear supercedes everything, denyinhg the individual free will and to be able to decide and think for themselves. The belief system based off this fear, then does not allow for anyone to then genuinely want to openly want to believe. That is the saddest part about the major 3 faiths and the emphasis on fear. as without that fdear, there wokuld be no reason or need to believe.

We should not be endorsing our lives based off the same methodology endorsed by religion that scares people into believeing.

Fear

Have a good evening

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:00 pm

however didge...you cannot argue agaisnt the fact that secularisation took 400 years to achieve HERE

and we aint got 400 years...let alone the necessary willingness to change....

by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:05 pm

Also to claim it cannot happen with islam is complete and utter nonsense Victor, as we have now progressive Muslim. To say something can never change, fails to understand the very same conflict and violence around the literal religious Christian control once a major problem in the past.

So you are not going to be ever able to claim something cannot change, as you klnow such a claim is bollocks and is you again attempting to play off fear poor to justify being prejudiced.
Beliefs are always change, the vesy fact there is different islamic sects, shows that it can change and adapt

See you later have to go

by Victorismyhero Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:12 pm

I didnt say it CANT...ever...change....

we just havnt got the luxury of the time needed for it to change....

by veya_victaous Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:31 pm

Lord Foul wrote:

I didnt say it CANT...ever...change....

we just havnt got the luxury of the time needed for it to change....

Due to the inefficiency created by the Conservative mindset
Only by embracing progress can we humanity grow and achieve.

the current situation can be firmly planted at the feet of those that have slowed the progress of the EU by whinging about 'feeling' and generally crying that the old world they 'want' doesn't exist any more. the promotion and indeed 'the validation of these views' that belong in centuries past has created this problem, it is UKIP and the like that are too blame. If those racsit conservative cowards had been told to shut the fuck up and stop whinging about having to unite with Poles and Germans, the EU would have been at a point to have jointly funded boarders that would have prevented all this. But people like UKIP have whinged about having to put anything towards the EU and subsequent boarder controls.
if you had been united before these event is Syria the outer boarder controls would have been sufficiently funded by EU members. Conservatives have created a situation where by you have sat in limbo with insufficient outer and internal boarder control and spent the time whinging and blaming the Germans Greeks each other rather than working towards solutions.

Conservatives, through the ridiculous racism that is traditional in Europe, have shot themselves in the foot. Too racist to get on with other Europeans so now Europe is unable to deal with an external issue as like a bunch of individual twigs that all snap so easily rather than being a united bundle able to take the pressure.

by Tommy Monk Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:41 pm

You are an idiot... the EU removed border controls across the whole of Europe!

How can you stop criminals. illegals and terrorists from moving about when there are no border controls between European countries now!?

Sensible people recognise the need for borders and controls...

You are obviously not that sensible...

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:01 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You are an idiot... the EU removed border controls across the whole of Europe!

How can you stop criminals. illegals and terrorists from moving about when there are no border controls between European countries now!?

Sensible people recognise the need for borders and controls...

You are obviously not that sensible...

Internal border control , Like between the states in any large nation don't need controls. Wink

We still have Outer Boarder control.. there should be control on the border of the EU. Cool

You highlight the exact issue you still think of the British border not the EU border, If you had been progressive enough to join with the other EU nations properly and become member states than you wouldn't think about controls around ever little ethic ghetto and would have just protected the outer border of Europe, the refugees would have been stopped in Greece and processed there but instead each of you is going to stand individually and like twigs each of the nations from the border to Germany has snapped.

the notion that little twigs of nations should stand individual is laughable you still go on in your post About European nations WELL THAT IS THE PROBLEM
Europeans are not powerful enough to have that many nations, you either combine or fall.
Europe has chosen to follow conservatives and fall. You literally are an individual that has promoted the inevitable destruction of Europe by the incapacity to unite with other Europeans.

Of course since the EU is not officially one nation it means that logically each nation should be contributing but instead it has placed the economic burden on the nations at the border which in cone case is Greece so just fucking stupid. Yep lets see how long the backrupt nation can pay for all the processing of refugees Rolling Eyes

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:04 am

it is literally like if Australia made the north territory pay for all the processing since almost all refugees come from that side.
Obviously All the Aussie states pay together to make it fair and easy and sufficient.

the United States of Europe should have done the same tongue

by eddie Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:04 am

Can I ask a simple question?

How many of you have had your lives affected by Muslim extremists/social immigrants/refugees?

by eddie Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:13 am

And let me just say, for those that think this will never grow any bigger than what it is today, for those who think that they can fight against a belief and men that actually believe that dying is better than living, and for those that think that Muslims won't out-breed non-Muslims (as Muslims have stated themselves)......

You're living with your head in the sand.

Even if you think this video is "over the top" or "racist" or "scaremongering"....the fact is, they are clips of real happenings and real people, and real Muslims who are telling you what they're trying to accomplish!!

And if you're not listening, then perhaps it's because you don't want to change your stance over this issue for fear of 'backing down'

If you can't see there's a real problem happening then that's because you're playing deaf and blind.

by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:46 am

Eddie you seem to wrongly think the only way to deal with an issue, is to castigate all people and close up the borders.
Even worse that is pandering to fear of which is what the terrorists want. They do no not want refugees fleeing to the west from the Middlee East and are attempting to force the hand through the means of terror.
Nobody is stating there is not an issue, which if you read points on other threads there is plenty that can be done and much of that has to come from for example with Muslim extreism, that Muslims take the lead in combating the extremism, from disassociating itself by condemning all violence. Denying th extremists Muslim status.
We certainly need to better the security checks for entry into country, but creating a policy based off a fear that makes all guilty through association is backward, racist and ignorant. All you do is make the matter worse, if doing this more and more will come to believe the bullshit that ISIS spouts and you end up having more join theree cause or turn to violence within Europe itself. The thing is Eddie, you fail to look at all possible consequences of your views and what in reality it would make the situation ten times worse. A view to ostracize all Muslims here for example is then risking the possibility of far more blood on our streets. We have to work together with Muslims and progressive ideals.
Not introduce ones that are born from the same ignorance and hate.

by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:51 am

eddie wrote:Can I ask a simple question?

How many of you have had your lives affected by Muslim extremists/social immigrants/refugees?

My life and family was certainly effected by Irish Terrorists
I also certainly felt also the effects of sterotypes and discrimination during the height of the IRA camapign
My life has never been effected by immigrants, refugees or Muslims.

by Major Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:11 pm

We are ALL having having our lives affected.

By MUZZIZ.

EXAMPLES

TERRORISM

OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT OUR CONSENT

THEY ARE TAKING THAT WHICH IS OURS

THEY HAVE SET UP NO GO AREA GHETTOS.

Do you want me to tell you where.

They will not integrate but I do not want them to do so, I want them out, I want my island back.

I am being FORCED to eat their halal products by secrecy.

They are trying to force Sharia law, their customs, mosques everywhere upon us.

Go to Brum Bullring and stand by they escalators in Selfridges and you will be lucky to see even half white folks on it.

Try to get your kids into the school of your choice Debenhams
What will you do to get it back for us???????????????

You tell me and this forum, What good are muzziz to this country of OURS, The British Isles????????????

by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:14 pm

That is about as hateful and derisive, and as you can get HF, based on clearly a very warped imagination

by Raggamuffin Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:55 pm

Didge wrote:That is about as hateful and derisive, and as you can get HF, based on clearly a very warped imagination

HF?

by eddie Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:26 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Can I ask a simple question?

How many of you have had your lives affected by Muslim extremists/social immigrants/refugees?

My life and family was certainly effected by Irish Terrorists
I also certainly felt also the effects of sterotypes and discrimination during the height of the IRA camapign
My life has never been effected by immigrants, refugees or Muslims.

Perhaps that's why you think the way do.

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:05 pm

Veya... Europe is made up of distinctly separate countries all with their own distinct geographical territorial boundaries, and all of these countries also have their own distinctly different national identities/languages/cultures/traditions etc... so absolutely nothing at all like Australia of which you constantly try to draw comparisons to...

It is the EU which has removed the internal security of borders across Europe... it is also the EU that has orchestrated the economic weakening of the countries in the south of Europe... Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, (even France's economy has been negatively affected)

Also, I'm pretty sure that these countries would like to be doing much more to be preventing/repelling the huge swarms of illegal invaders arriving, as well as processing/holding and removing or allowing those who have arrived... but are unable to do so, partly because of their EU imposed weakened economic state, but also because the EU is refusing to help them do this, although it would be the implementation of the EU's own rules which clearly state that any illegal immigrant planning on claiming asylum must do so in the first EU country they arrive in!

Britain is in the EU and also has to abide by the EU rules on free movement of labour, which means that any national citizen from any EU country has the right to enter another EU country, to live and work and stay as long as they want... the difference between UK and other countries across Europe is that the UK still has official borders and checks on anyone trying to enter, while the most of the rest of countries in Europe have absolutely no internal borders or checkpoints between countries, meaning that it is not only the legitimate legally entitled national people of each EU country are able to move about freely, but all The illegal immigrants, criminals and terrorists are able to travel around unchecked too!!!

If national borders were retained and enforced throughout Europe as is a totally sensible and necessary requirement, then EU countries nationals would still be able to move about while the illegals/terrorists/criminals would not!!!

by HoratioTarr Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:09 pm

Didge wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

The problem with being multi cultural is that it doesn't work. It never has and never will. Any attempts at multiculturalism is a veneer, and it can crack very easily. Too, it's not just about being white or black, it's about different ethnic cultures refusing to mingle and integrate with each other. The highest levels of segregation recorded anywhere in the UK are those between Indians and Pakistanis in towns in the north of England.

Accept that claim is an utter falsehood, being as this and many other nations are the culmination of many cultures through time. Placing a climate of fear of immigrants themselves is a very hateful view to promote. it does not centre on who is to blame for wrongs committed, those that do them and also excusees those that run nations where the security checks are inadequate. You tackle problems like this and others with workable solutions. Most videos like this play off fear and make a poor argument, which is not going to ever solve the problems like for example in regardfs to refuees. Making an asserion that groups of humans are incompatiable, when daily and through history many people are living proof that they can live peacefully together and there is thus no real reason why they cannot live peacefully togather. Is the poorest attempt to justify and ligitimise discrmination.
You do not change bad beliefs, but instilling far worse beliefs, its regrssive and not progressive. If there is problems, you look to rsolve those problems for the good of all people. As by looking to move problems away, fails to resolve anythung. You have to tackle the core problems with bad beliefs. Just as has been done by ending slavery, Apartheid, bringing about women's rights etc.

It's not about being 'incompatible'. It's about human nature. I think you'll find that throughout time, 'integration' has been forced and a result of invasion, rather than a joyful spiritual sharing experience.

As for women's rights...Islam still has a very long way to go in that department. So, perhaps one day in a far off Utopian world where we all love each other and religion has finally been abolished, we can forget our inherent tribal differences and what you believe will be. If only it were that simple. If it was that easy, we'd have sorted it by now, yes?

We can't integrate fully. Why should we? I don't think any race wants that. All this crap about offending Muslims by wearing Christian symbols of religion, or banning fucking Peppa Pig? That doesn't come from the majority of Muslims. The sooner these bleeding heart white middle class PC twats leave us all alone the better. I don't mind living alongside anyone, whatever creed or colour, but I'm damned if I'm going to allow my culture to be submerged in the process.

But I digress. I'm intrigued to know what your ideas for solving what is going on at the moment might be?

by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:17 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Didge wrote:

Accept that claim is an utter falsehood, being as this and many other nations are the culmination of many cultures through time. Placing a climate of fear of immigrants themselves is a very hateful view to promote. it does not centre on who is to blame for wrongs committed, those that do them and also excusees those that run nations where the security checks are inadequate. You tackle problems like this and others with workable solutions. Most videos like this play off fear and make a poor argument, which is not going to ever solve the problems like for example in regardfs to refuees. Making an asserion that groups of humans are incompatiable, when daily and through history many people are living proof that they can live peacefully together and there is thus no real reason why they cannot live peacefully togather. Is the poorest attempt to justify and ligitimise discrmination.
You do not change bad beliefs, but instilling far worse beliefs, its regrssive and not progressive. If there is problems, you look to rsolve those problems for the good of all people. As by looking to move problems away, fails to resolve anythung. You have to tackle the core problems with bad beliefs. Just as has been done by ending slavery, Apartheid, bringing about women's rights etc.

It's not about being 'incompatible'. It's about human nature. I think you'll find that throughout time, 'integration' has been forced and a result of invasion, rather than a joyful spiritual sharing experience.

As for women's rights...Islam still has a very long way to go in that department. So, perhaps one day in a far off Utopian world where we all love each other and religion has finally been abolished, we can forget our inherent tribal differences and what you believe will be. If only it were that simple. If it was that easy, we'd have sorted it by now, yes?

We can't integrate fully. Why should we? I don't think any race wants that. All this crap about offending Muslims by wearing Christian symbols of religion, or banning fucking Peppa Pig? That doesn't come from the majority of Muslims. The sooner these bleeding heart white middle class PC twats leave us all alone the better. I don't mind living alongside anyone, whatever creed or colour, but I'm damned if I'm going to allow my culture to be submerged in the process.

But I digress. I'm intrigued to know what your ideas for solving what is going on at the moment might be?

Integration forced?
How on earth exactly has that happened?
Did someone hold a gun to your head?
Integration is a two way street so to say you are being forced when you do not have to integrate yourself is pure nonsense.You are on the wrong thread if you want to know my ideas.
Try the one where I have expressed many points on the Paris thread.
If people do already integrate and can integrate and have integrated, there is no reason for people to not integrate. They would only be doing it for prejudiced reasons. Which they only have then themselves to blame for.

by Syl Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:29 pm

eddie wrote:Whatever your views, this video is going viral and YouTube have tried to ban it

I suggest it's watched

Save this link
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

YouTube trying to ban it

No doubt it's a scare mongering video, but there is also no doubt that all this has happened.

Whats undeniable is the vast number of refugee have been young fit men....where are the women and children?

Whats undeniable is that Pakistani gangs have been allowed to groom, rape and pass round to their own community young white girls for decades in this country, seemingly ignored by the authorities who were afraid to be seen as discriminating against minority groups......though those groups were free to discriminate here.

I actually fear for genuine Muslims and refugees who are trying to rebuild their lives in Europe. I see the possibility of a backlash against them, which in turn will create more and more tension.......I have no idea what the answer is.

by HoratioTarr Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:33 pm

Of course, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists or sympathetic to terrorists. Equating all Muslims with terrorism is stupid and wrong. But acknowledging that there is a link between Islam and terror is appropriate and necessary.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:23 pm

eddie wrote:Can I ask a simple question?

How many of you have had your lives affected by Muslim extremists/social immigrants/refugees?

I have had dated with a Muslim (Lebanese). she was born here but here parents were refugees.
My brother dated a Muslim immigrant(Fijian Indian) for 7 years so basically like a sister in law.

by Victorismyhero Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:26 pm

ahhh...so you have been thouroughly brainwashed then

(and all it took was a thimble of water and a pinhead of soap..)

Twisted Evil

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya... Europe is made up of distinctly separate countries all with their own distinct geographical territorial boundaries, and all of these countries also have their own distinctly different national identities/languages/cultures/traditions etc... so absolutely nothing at all like Australia of which you constantly try to draw comparisons to...
YOU MEAN
exactly LIKE Australia Until the British forced the 200 aboriginal nations to adapt and we evolved into a single united continental governance same thing in the USA/Canada. this is evolution in process a larger social unit is stronger.

It is the EU which has removed the internal security of borders across Europe... it is also the EU that has orchestrated the economic weakening of the countries in the south of Europe... Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, (even France's economy has been negatively affected)

Also, I'm pretty sure that these countries would like to be doing much more to be preventing/repelling the huge swarms of illegal invaders arriving, as well as processing/holding and removing or allowing those who have arrived... but are unable to do so, partly because of their EU imposed weakened economic state, but also because the EU is refusing to help them do this, although it would be the implementation of the EU's own rules which clearly state that any illegal immigrant planning on claiming asylum must do so in the first EU country they arrive in!

Britain is in the EU and also has to abide by the EU rules on free movement of labour, which means that any national citizen from any EU country has the right to enter another EU country, to live and work and stay as long as they want... the difference between UK and other countries across Europe is that the UK still has official borders and checks on anyone trying to enter, while the most of the rest of countries in Europe have absolutely no internal borders or checkpoints between countries, meaning that it is not only the legitimate legally entitled national people of each EU country are able to move about freely, but all The illegal immigrants, criminals and terrorists are able to travel around unchecked too!!!

If national borders were retained and enforced throughout Europe as is a totally sensible and necessary requirement, then EU countries nationals would still be able to move about while the illegals/terrorists/criminals would not!!!

So basically that one points answers the rest.
Rolling Eyes

200 nations combined by force.... you guys in Europe were lucky enough to do it via votes but seem to have failed, so fate is now employing force.
Europe is the target because it is the weakest link in the western empire because it is basically the 'southern states' of the western empire, racist old world hillbillies. besides geographic location you make it easy to recruit anti-westerners by this notion that your little ethnic ghettos should act like self dependent nations instead of vassal states, or unites states.

each twig now breaks because you could not form a bundle

as a bundle each twig would have continued to exist, just with some new twine to bind them as a bundle,
now they snap each taking the full force of fate alone.
Neutral

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:49 pm

Lord Foul wrote:ahhh...so you have been thouroughly brainwashed then

(and all it took was a thimble of water and a pinhead of soap..)

LOL
see if you knew Muslim girls you'd know they don't date white Aussie guys to convert them.

the attraction is we aren't going to even try to control them, (since trying to control an Aussie 'sheila' is asking to be stabbed Wink

)
essentially dating an Aussie is a very direct way to show her family her rights as a western female.

like i have said before we are a generation further into multiculturalism so we have more mixed couples, and it is hard to be racsit when you are trying to get in each others pants Razz

by Victorismyhero Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:04 pm

pfft...
firstly YOUR Muslims are...in the main non arabic are they not?

secondly any white guy here dating a Muslim woman puts himself and especially the woman in deadly danger
she WILL be judged by a "sharia court" (the existance of which is in no doubt, even if it IS "underground" ) and likely be slated for "honour killing"

strangely the lefties here condone the sharia courts

which supposition flows from the fact that they are always on about how "they" should have "their culture" and sharia is indisputibly part of and supported by all Muslims..since it is a prime tenet of islam...

put quite simply ..if you support "their" culture you support sharia....and all that involves

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:16 pm

Lord Foul wrote:pfft...
firstly YOUR Muslims are...in the main non arabic are they not?

secondly any white guy here dating a Muslim woman puts himself and especially the woman in deadly danger
she WILL be judged by a "sharia court" (the existance of which is in no doubt, even if it IS "underground" ) and likely be slated for "honour killing"

strangely the lefties here condone the sharia courts

which supposition flows from the fact that they are always on about how "they" should have "their culture" and sharia is indisputibly part of and supported by all Muslims..since it is a prime tenet of islam...

put quite simply ..if you support "their" culture you support sharia....and all that involves

That is the exact sort of bull that they made up decades ago down here,
Although maybe the Brits are too soft, Is there actually honor killings and if so why don't all involved go to jail?

Our Muslims are all/mixed. Turks, Afghans and Lebanese are the main ones from the middle east, but Paki/Indian make the majority. there are also South east Asian and pacific ones.

And it is NOT support by ALL Muslim any more than ALL Christians support stoning people for eating shellfish. Plenty are SECULAR religious meaning that accept and support he separation of church/mosque and state.
Another issue is maybe that secularism is not strongly embraced enough in the UK by locals so you make too much issue out of things that should not be an issue.

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:34 pm

Veya... a handful of Aussie abbo dingleberry pickers is no comparison to 500 million modern civilized European people and their respective countries...

by veya_victaous Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya... a handful of Aussie abbo dingleberry pickers is no comparison to 500 million modern civilized European people and their respective countries...

And that is why they were so much more than you Rolling Eyes

because they are every bit the equal comparison

Face it the west no longer need the uncivilized hillbillies of Europe.
the world no longer needs them because by comparison to Asia they are now the Dingle berry pickers.
Glad to see you have come to your senses and accept your fate as a dingle berry picker is to be replaced by are more evolved culture. Wink

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:59 pm

And which 'more evolved culture' exactly would that be then...!?

by veya_victaous Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:20 am

Tommy Monk wrote:And which 'more evolved culture' exactly would that be then...!?

Multiculturalism/hybridcultralism Wink

the Civilized westerner that has skin of any colour.

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