Grenfell Tower Investigators To Consider Manslaughter Charges

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Police will consider manslaughter charges as part of the investigation into the Grenfell Tower blaze, which left at least 79 people dead. Scotland Yard said on Friday that the fire started in a faulty fridge and that insulation and tiles on the block failed safety tests. Nine out of the 79 dead or presumed dead have been formally identified, police said.

Metropolitan Police Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said: “I know there is a fear that that number is a lot higher and I do not want any hidden victims of this tragedy.”

Police said they are still trying to establish who was in the 24-storey tower block the night the fire broke out last Wednesday. DSI McCormack confirmed that neither the police, nor the Home Office, will use the tragedy to check the immigration status of anybody in the block and urged friends and relatives of those feared missing to come forward.

The search of the Lancaster West Estate high-rise could take until the end of the year.

Police said there are currently more than 250 specialist investigators working on “all aspects” of the investigation.

“The terrible reality is we may not find or identify all those who died in the fire,” DSI McCormack added.


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HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Ageism...old people are the next Negros.  Just like we have preconceived notions about blacks--good dancers, xlnt at sports, but unintelligent and uncivilized--we have preconceived notions about old people.  

One is, we can't imagine them in intimate situations.  They are all dried up, and useless.  We'd rather they just went off and died, of course leaving us their house and money.  Lol.

Stop behaving like an arse and twisting stuff to suit your own agenda.

If opposing ageism is an agenda item, good.  Having started off as a civil rights lawyer, I simply recognize the fact of implicit discrimination when it arises...and I see the trend going along with age.  No fool like an old fool is simply a saying about life. You're not calling all old people all fools, but saying something about life...like, practice makes perfect or wise old men.

Age is an inevitable part of life, agreed, but when you generalize about it being sexually (or otherwise) undesirable, you are being insulting to someone.

George Galloway's actions were so toe curlingly embarrassing and ridiculous when he pretended to be a purring pussy cat, I think his age would be the least of his worries.

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Stop behaving like an arse and twisting stuff to suit your own agenda.

If opposing ageism is an agenda item, good.  Having started off as a civil rights lawyer, I simply recognize the fact of implicit discrimination when it arises...and I see the trend going along with age.  No fool like an old fool is simply a saying about life.  You're not calling all old people all fools, but saying something about life...like, practice makes perfect or wise old men.

Age is an inevitable part of life, agreed, but when you generalize about it being sexually (or otherwise) undesirable, you are being insulting to someone.

What you need to remember is that most of us on here are over a 'certain age'.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

If opposing ageism is an agenda item, good.  Having started off as a civil rights lawyer, I simply recognize the fact of implicit discrimination when it arises...and I see the trend going along with age.  No fool like an old fool is simply a saying about life.  You're not calling all old people all fools, but saying something about life...like, practice makes perfect or wise old men.

Age is an inevitable part of life, agreed, but when you generalize about it being sexually (or otherwise) undesirable, you are being insulting to someone.

What you need to remember is that most of us on here are over a 'certain age'.  

Yep...you have probably just insulted 95% of NF posters with your remarks,

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

What you need to remember is that most of us on here are over a 'certain age'.  

Yep...you have probably just insulted 95% of NF posters with your remarks,

But I AM that 95 percent!

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

Yep...you have probably just insulted 95% of NF posters with your remarks,

But I AM that 95 percent!

Me too, but we wear it well.

20 years ago it was trice weekly.
10 tears ago it was tries weekly.
Nowadays it is tries weakly.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

magica wrote:
Why are you so nasty Wolfie, you dig Syl out all the time. Horrible to read the spite you write.

I'M  not the "nasty" one on here...

There is no "spite" behind my attacks on Sly, nor the other Floptards

Why is Sly lying about me?   I have never"trolled", on here or elsewhere..
Why is Sly too gutless to own up to her own xenophobic and racist leanings?

Why hasn't anyone called out Sly, Tommy and Raggs over their deliberate deflections over these tragedies, their attempted scapegoating on here, and Sly's  subsequent attempts at derailing this thread ?

Sly has always been Stormee's #1 fan, and Deano's faithful little handmaiden, hasn't she..

No surprise then, to see her bringing their brand of crap over here...

Probably because it hasn't happened, except in your imagination.

Let's stop with the gang activity.

Original Quill wrote:Let's stop with the gang activity.

Where? Wolfboy slated me in his post, so I replied. Get your beak out if you don't like it.

Change the subject. Simple.

Original Quill wrote:Let's stop with the gang activity.

Quill...when a group of people are named, lied about and insulted regularly by the same poster, and they then answer individually (when or if they can be bothered to) that's does not a gang make.

It is a shame that such a serious thread is repeatedly disrupted by name calling though.
Maybe a separate thread could be started so Wolf could call us all in that one .

Original Quill wrote:Change the subject.  Simple.

No. He lied about me yet again. Tell him to change the subject for once.

I think that Quill is trolling now actually.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that Quill is trolling now actually.

A little orwellain doublespeak, perchance? Asking for peace is trolling?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that Quill is trolling now actually.

A little orwellain doublespeak, perchance?  Asking for peace is trolling?  

You didn't ask for "peace", you accused people of ganging up, which they weren't doing. If you wanted to interfere, you should have told Wolfboy to stop lying and stirring when he started on others.

Thorin wrote:

POT....KETTLE.....

Quill, are you still a "practising Lawyer? because if you are, how many cases do win over a year? Just asking because you seem not to know your arse from your elbow !

Tommy Monk wrote:My opinion of him has nothing to do with the big brother bullshit...


Everything he said (in Jules above quote) can easily be shown to be typical labour/leftie lies and spin waffle...


And all really rooted in labour govt failings...  


Happy to explain on a point by point basis if you need help understanding the truth of it all...

No, not everything. If something is factual, and not an opinion, then it's neither spin nor waffle imo.

I learnt stuff from that speech that I never knew. Eg that this govt hands over £75Billions per year to private landlords, in housing benefit most of whom are their tory colleagues of course. Instead of using that sum to build housing stock. Serious conflict of interest there, to say the least. I also learnt stuff about Boris. GG exposed a few scandals in his rant.

Thank you for the green, eddie!

Jules wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:My opinion of him has nothing to do with the big brother bullshit...


Everything he said (in Jules above quote) can easily be shown to be typical labour/leftie lies and spin waffle...


And all really rooted in labour govt failings...  


Happy to explain on a point by point basis if you need help understanding the truth of it all...

No, not everything. If something is factual, and not an opinion, then it's neither spin nor waffle imo.

I learnt stuff from that speech that I never knew. Eg that this govt hands over £75Billions per year to private landlords, in housing benefit most of whom are their tory colleagues of course. Instead of using that sum to build housing stock. Serious conflict of interest there, to say the least. I also learnt stuff about Boris. GG exposed a few scandals in his rant.

You said 25 billion earlier... and its nothing to do with any being tory colleagues at all... it is all to do with labour opening up the doors to mass immigration that we are still trying to close, and )(that labour failed to build social housing during their 13 years of wrecking the country and economy... in fact, more council housing was built under 1 year of Thatchers govt than labour managed in the whole 13 years!!!

Also the housing benefit bill the total would be much higher now if labour were still in govt because they allowed unemployed people to claim whatever they wanted in rent costs, meaning plenty were allowed to live in luxury houses in some of the most expensive areas and get housing ben to pay rents the... some were getting 100,000 pounds a year in benefits under the last labour govt!!!

If labour had limited properly controlled immigration with much numbers being allowed to flood in, and stricter controls limiting the number of unskilled/low skilled too, plus did more in the way of building more social housing... then we wouldnt be in such of the mess we are in now!!!

Cos not only is it the mass immigration that has increased the costs of living, ie rents, but also negative effects on wages and wage rises... plus it is a huge proportion of these immigrants who are actually claiming a disproportionately large amount of the benefits you mentioned!!

nicko wrote:Quill, are you still a "practising Lawyer?    because if you are,  how many cases do win over a year?  Just asking because you seem not to know your arse from your elbow !

Haha...and you do? You've never seen the inside of a courtroom...you're too busy killing babies in rice paddies. Stick to what you know.

What is it with you and Babies Quill? You worry me sometimes.
You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with them !!

nicko wrote:What is it with you and Babies Quill?    You worry me sometimes.
You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with them  !!

You don't like lawyers. I'm not real fond of soldiers. We'll go on like this forever.

People sleep soundly in their beds in the knowledge that rough men are prepared to commit violence to protect them. [Without killing Babies]

nicko wrote:People sleep soundly in their beds in the knowledge that rough men are prepared to commit violence to protect them.   [Without killing Babies]

Bullshit. Britain hasn't been invaded since 1792. People sleep soundly because their beds are warm and comfortable, not because some British soldier is half way round the world causing trouble.

I have no qualms about respecting soldiers who defend the homeland. But when you go out into the lands of others and bully those people, you are a part of the problem, not the solution. You are the interloper, and the world would be peaceful but for those soldiers.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:People sleep soundly in their beds in the knowledge that rough men are prepared to commit violence to protect them.   [Without killing Babies]

Bullshit.  Britain hasn't been invaded since 1792.  People sleep soundly because their beds are warm and comfortable, not because some British soldier is half way round the world causing trouble.

I have no qualms about respecting soldiers who defend the homeland.  But when you go out into the lands of others and bully those people, you are a part of the problem, not the solution.  You are the interloper, and the world would be peaceful but for those soldiers.

Exactly that.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:People sleep soundly in their beds in the knowledge that rough men are prepared to commit violence to protect them.   [Without killing Babies]

Bullshit.  Britain hasn't been invaded since 1792.  People sleep soundly because their beds are warm and comfortable, not because some British soldier is half way round the world causing trouble.

I have no qualms about respecting soldiers who defend the homeland.  But when you go out into the lands of others and bully those people, you are a part of the problem, not the solution.  You are the interloper, and the world would be peaceful but for those soldiers.

So only an invasion constitutes a threat then to you?
Or its wrong to defend the freedom and self determination of a nation invaded by aggressors, as was say Poland in WW2 by Germany. Are you thus claiming all those who died in WW2, British and its allies died for nothing?
So you think it was wrong to go into Bosnia?
How about Kosovo?

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Bullshit.  Britain hasn't been invaded since 1792.  People sleep soundly because their beds are warm and comfortable, not because some British soldier is half way round the world causing trouble.

I have no qualms about respecting soldiers who defend the homeland.  But when you go out into the lands of others and bully those people, you are a part of the problem, not the solution.  You are the interloper, and the world would be peaceful but for those soldiers.

Exactly that.

Oh come on. Nicko didn't do that.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Bullshit.  Britain hasn't been invaded since 1792.  People sleep soundly because their beds are warm and comfortable, not because some British soldier is half way round the world causing trouble.

I have no qualms about respecting soldiers who defend the homeland.  But when you go out into the lands of others and bully those people, you are a part of the problem, not the solution.  You are the interloper, and the world would be peaceful but for those soldiers.

Exactly that.

Oh come on. Nicko didn't do that.

I took it as the collective 'you'. Not nicko per se.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh come on. Nicko didn't do that.

I took it as the collective 'you'. Not nicko per se.

That's who Quill is talking about - see his previous post.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Exactly that.

Oh come on. Nicko didn't do that.

I don't care to make this about nicko, but he keeps putting himself before the firing line. Yes, nicko was in southeast Asia when the killing was going on. If he wasn't killing babies, he was supporting someone right next to him who was.

It's not about nicko, but about policymakers who caused nicko to be there. And nobody intentionally kills babies. They are just the most convenient targets once the policy is put in place.

If you know you are not in your own country, and you are shooting people, you know something is wrong. You should kill only for defense, and if you are not in your own country you are not defending...you are offending.

'...Any Grenfell Tower residents who were illegally subletting their flats have been offered amnesty from prosecution as authorities continue trying to figure out how many people are missing from the blaze...'

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who-illegally-sublet-flats-told-they-wont-be-prosecuted-6750138/

Tommy Monk wrote:
'...Any Grenfell Tower residents who were illegally subletting their flats have been offered amnesty from prosecution as authorities continue trying to figure out how many people are missing from the blaze...'

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who-illegally-sublet-flats-told-they-wont-be-prosecuted-6750138/

given the circumstances thats fair enough.....

How many of these 'survivors' were not even living in their flats at the time, as they had been illegally renting them out to others, and were not even in the block... but are now demanding a new flat (to no doubt rent out again illegally), and also trying to get as much cash compensation as possible out of the govt/council for their trauma of escaping the building that they werent even in at the time, and loss of possessions that they never even had in the flats but had with them in the other place where they were actually living...!?

dunno if theres ANY merit in that tommy...a few might have been, but not the vast majority....

and common humanity demands you accept that there may be a few who are less than honest, in order to not impose even more hardship on those who's claim is genuine....

Well... tell me how a 'surviving registered tennant' would have been the only one able to 'escape', but the others in their flat with them at the time, were not able to escape with them at the same time...?

Why are there so many 'surviving registered tennants' who supposedly escaped... but so many burnt remains of unknown bodies being found in their flats, who couldnt escape...!?

Well...!?

Lord Foul wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
'...Any Grenfell Tower residents who were illegally subletting their flats have been offered amnesty from prosecution as authorities continue trying to figure out how many people are missing from the blaze...'

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who-illegally-sublet-flats-told-they-wont-be-prosecuted-6750138/

given the circumstances thats fair enough.....

No... I dont agree... they should be prosecuted and forced to tell the truth about who the others were who they were illegally letting live there for their own fraudulent financial gains...!!!

And then prosecuted again if found to be making up a story of how they escaped so as to try to get compensation money etc... and should not ever be allowed to get any other council property again...!!!

Lord Foul wrote:dunno if theres ANY merit in that tommy...a few might have been, but not the vast majority....

and common humanity demands you accept that there may be a few who are less than honest, in order to not impose even more hardship on those who's claim is genuine....

The honest ones will be easy to distinguish from the dishonest ones... because the burnt remains of unknown bodies will only be being found in the flats of the dishonest...

Anybody got any thoughts on this ... ?

A 12 month amnesty to stay in the uk is now being offered to all the illegal immigrants who were illegally living in Grenfell tower...


The criminal 'registered tennants' of the council flats (that are desperately needed to house genuine hard up and deserving families), but who were illegally sub letting the flats/rooms out to the illegal immigrants, and were each pocketing hundreds of pounds every week (as the rent was undoubtedly already being paid for by housing benefit to the council)... well they have already been told that they will not be prosecuted by authorities...

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that Quill is trolling now actually.

A little orwellain doublespeak, perchance?  Asking for peace is trolling?  

Raggs is simply proving herself yet another Floptard troll...

Trailing along after Sly and H/T  --  the leading genuine 'trolls' on NewsFix..

Just watch the lies they keep spouting, on top of their constant derailing, misdirection, distractions, and general mischief-making.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

A little orwellain doublespeak, perchance?  Asking for peace is trolling?  

Raggs is simply proving herself yet another Floptard troll...

Trailing along after Sly and H/T  --  the leading genuine 'trolls' on NewsFix..

Just watch the lies they keep spouting, on top of their constant derailing, misdirection, distractions, and general mischief-making.

Bored again Wolfboy? Go and find some new toys to play with - it's not my fault you broke the last ones you had.

Tommy Monk wrote:A 12 month amnesty to stay in the uk is now being offered to all the illegal immigrants who were illegally living in Grenfell tower...


The criminal 'registered tennants' of the council flats (that are desperately needed to house genuine hard up and deserving families), but who were illegally sub letting the flats/rooms out to the illegal immigrants, and were each pocketing hundreds of pounds every week (as the rent was undoubtedly already being paid for by housing benefit to the council)... well they have already been told that they will not be prosecuted by authorities...

How many are you talking about Tommy? If it's a lot, then yes, they were defrauding the benefits office by making a profit out of subletting - if they were claiming housing benefit and if they were charging rent for subletting.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

A little orwellain doublespeak, perchance?  Asking for peace is trolling?  

Raggs is simply proving herself yet another Floptard troll...

Trailing along after Sly and H/T  --  the leading genuine 'trolls' on NewsFix..

Just watch the lies they keep spouting, on top of their constant derailing, misdirection, distractions, and general mischief-making.

It's perfectly understandable that you find us intellectually emasculating of you, Wolfie. But do change the record.