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Post by eddie Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:07 pm

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It's long, but a good read:



An Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump

Jeremy Nix is a Citizen Journalist who writes for the The Huffington Post. I recently came across a blog post from him that I thought many of you would like to read. I need to make it clear that this article does not reflect the views of Educate Inspire Change but nonetheless I think it is well written and feel that many of you – both Trump supports and haters will be able to take something useful from.


Follow Jeremy Nix on Twitter: www.twitter.com/thejeremynix

I’m cool with you removing me from your friends list if you don’t like this post. You can even disown me if you like. But Donald Trump isn’t a good person, nor would he be a good president. I can understand a difference in politics. I can understand if you don’t like a government run by Democrats. I can understand if you don’t like certain ideologies, like Socialism. But I can’t understand why you would support someone as hateful, sexist, racist and ignorant as Donald Trump.

How do you support him so blindly? Ask yourself, are you a racist, sexist, hateful and ignorant person as well? I hear his supporters saying they like him because he tells the truth, because he’s so rich he can say whatever he feels like with no apologies. Just because Trump is saying these things doesn’t suddenly make them right. It’s not okay to discriminate against an entire religion based on a small percentage of its followers who have become terrorists by twisting the words of the religion to fit their crazy ideals. It’s not okay to marginalize an entire race of people, saying things like all the Mexicans are lazy, that they are all stealing our jobs and bringing drugs into our country.

White people also have bad apples. So does every race of people. We’re all human. Some humans are really bad people. Some are really good. And it doesn’t matter what color they are, it makes no difference whatsoever. Trump says he is just telling the truth. But whose truth? There are lazy people in every race and there are dangerous violent people in every race and every religion. Kicking all Muslims out of the country is not the answer, nor is it the acceptable behavior of a person in an extremely powerful position, like the President of the United States.

The Japanese Internment camps were wrong, Segregation was wrong, Slavery was wrong. We fought wars amongst ourselves to rise above racism and hatred. In WWII more than 60 million people died worldwide. Why? Because of twisted people who were whipping up the population into a frenzy and making ridiculous statements, killing innocent people simply because of their race or religion. The United States lost more than 400,000 lives fighting in that war, against the same ideas that Trump is pushing. The idea that certain religions are more dangerous than others and the idea that people should be judged based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

“They always say it’s so important to make your voice heard, to get out and vote. But I’m not sure if it’s ever been more important than now.”

We’re still healing from the damage inflicted by the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq and the War on Terror. And it isn’t just ISIS or Al-Qaeda. It’s our own people in this country killing their fellow countrymen over differences of opinion, like whether or not you believe abortion is okay or what kind of political ideology you support. And then there are just the plainly insane people who finally snap and go on shooting rampages for no discernible reason at all. They just went mad.


The kind of leadership Trump is displaying is irresponsible and dangerous. His virulent ideas are seeping into the brains of his supporters. Supporters who think it’s okay to say things like “light the mother@!$%#er on fire” while a protester is being dragged out of one of his rallies. Maybe the protester was wrong to be where he was at the time, but no matter what he did, there was no reason to set him on fire. In fact, there is NEVER a reason to set anyone on fire. Unless it’s because they are dead and they wish to be cremated.

Trump’s supporters are angry, and anger is infectious. I can tell you as a non-supporter of Trump I am just as angry. We need the kind of leader that seeks to bring us together, not tear us apart. Why do we have to fight against helping each other, against common sense, against a united Nation? The American Dream is a nightmare and we are feeding it, making it worse every day. Trump is a bully, a loud mouth, ignorant, sexist, racist, disgusting example of how horrible humans can potentially be.

He is the crazy person at your dinner table who won’t stop running his mouth. The only reason he is allowed to carry on with his ugly hateful rhetoric is because you have too much respect for Grandma to get into a fist fight in her home. He’s the guy you have to endure until he leaves, all the while hating every minute that you have to occupy the same space. Lucky for us, this isn’t Grandma’s house, so feel free to punch him in the mouth in the form of getting out and making your vote count.

They always say it’s so important to make your voice heard, to get out and vote. But I’m not sure if it’s ever been more important than now. Differences of political ideals are one thing, I can agree to disagree on many matters across a wide array of topics, but racism isn’t one of them, neither is hate, neither is the belittling of women or the judgment of others based on their appearance or their disability, or their sexual preference.

By supporting Trump do you think things will go back to the way they were? Back when gay people had to hide in fear, back when people of any other color than white had to worry about getting lynched, back when it was okay to openly hate? Do you think empowered women will suddenly quit their jobs and go back to the kitchen ? Because electing Trump won’t make any of that come true. We’re past that as a nation, or at least I thought we were.

“I can agree to disagree on many matters across a wide array of topics, but racism isn’t one of them, neither is hate, neither is the belittling of women…”

If you’re not a racist, bigoted, misogynistic jerk, then voting for Trump simply because you don’t like Democrats is wrong. If you are one of his supporters and you’re just a racist and you don’t care who knows it then vote for him, but know that the good people of America will not stand for it and he will never win a fair election. And please consider pursuing an education and work on your empathy toward your fellow human beings. Whatever led you to believe that racism is okay can be unlearned if you open your mind. I’m sorry that you were raised to believe that you deserve better treatment than the rest of the people on the planet that have different views than yours, worship different gods than you and have skin that isn’t white.

To all the people, of all the races and religions that Donald Trump stands against, to all the women that don’t meet his standards of beauty, to all the good Muslims, and Christians, Mormons and Catholics and Jewish, Italians, Irish and Asians, to the African-Americans and Native Americans, to anyone who has ever been persecuted, belittled, made to feel inferior or bullied based on ignorance like the kind that Trump is spewing, please, I implore you to get out and vote against him. Don’t let the progress of this great nation be halted. We’ve come too far.

In this country we FIGHT and DIE for freedom, for Truth and Justice. We fight for what’s right. And what Trump is doing and saying isn’t right. Some have attributed the following statement to Abraham Lincoln*:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed.”

And he couldn’t be more right. Trump IS the one percent, he IS working on your prejudices, and he WILL destroy the Republic if he is elected, make no doubt about it.

If you don’t believe me, just look at the level of crazy coming out of his own mouth:

“[I am] calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on” — Donald Trump. That’s religious discrimination.


“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud” — Donald Trump. That’s an outright lie.

“Arianna Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.” — Donald Trump. This is sexism, and just plain rude.

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of @!$%#.” – Donald Trump. This is misogyny at its finest.

“I will build a great wall — and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me — and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.” – Donald Trump. The words of an arrogant hate monger.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” — Donald Trump. Racist.

“Our great African-American President hasn’t exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore.” — Donald Trump. Racist.

“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.” — Donald Trump. The words of an @!$%#.

“The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.” – Donald Trump. So Vain.

“It’s freezing and snowing in New York – we need global warming!” – Donald Trump. Ignorant.

“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.” – Donald Trump. Gross.

“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are beautiful.” – Donald Trump. Sexist. As if women are possessions rather than people. And also a lie. A lie about how honest he is.

How can you support this man?




*I am aware of the fact that snopes.com claims the Lincoln Capitalism Prophecy quote is false. It’s a quote that has been going around for more than a hundred years. The quote has also been attributed to a letter that Lincoln supposedly wrote to Col. William F. Elkins in 1864. Scholars have cited The Lincoln Encyclopedia: The Spoken and Written Words of A. Lincoln Arranged for Ready Reference by Archer H. Shaw. Snopes still claims the letter referred to in this encyclopedia is a fraud, forged by Emanuel Hertz in his book Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait. So in the interest of full disclosure, these may or may not have been Lincoln’s words. Whether they were written by Hertz or Lincoln, they were still written and they still pertain to the point I was trying to make. Income inequality is a serious issue in this country, and Donald Trump is working on the prejudices of the people.



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Post by Original Quill Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You are jumping at adjectives, pronouns and modifiers like you don't know what they mean...and engaging in subterfuge to avoid the discussion.

It's you who has avoided the discussion and refused to answer my questions, which are very pertinent to the discussion. No matter if you can't keep up though.

I answered your question...How am I being a phony?  It's right there ^.

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:47 pm

Never mind Quill. I think it's all been too much for you, and your mind is worn out.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:28 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You are jumping at adjectives, pronouns and modifiers like you don't know what they mean...and engaging in subterfuge to avoid the discussion.

It's you who has avoided the discussion and refused to answer my questions, which are very pertinent to the discussion. No matter if you can't keep up though.


I agree Raggs... you have pointed out prime examples that totally destroy the claim of right wing being the nasty warmongering aggressors and lefties never responsible.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:15 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's you who has avoided the discussion and refused to answer my questions, which are very pertinent to the discussion. No matter if you can't keep up though.


I agree Raggs... you have pointed out prime examples that totally destroy the claim of right wing being the nasty warmongering aggressors and lefties never responsible.

You're hardly the best witness, tommy.  You are the ultimate warmongerer. Rolling Eyes

Or do you think we should avoid any conflict with ISIS?

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Post by nicko Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:26 am

Kill 'em all.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:30 am

nicko wrote:Kill 'em all.

Oh, an tommy...your competition. ^^ Rolling Eyes

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You've missed the boat completely.  I'm not thinking Americans are all powerful.  If anything, my position on the Iraq war implies that I don't think Americans are that bright.  But you Brits just followed the Americans like lapdogs, and that's wrong.

I'm just saying, y'all should not follow the Neo-Cons without question.  Do some thinking...make some decisions on your own.  


No... our 'progressive' leftie labour govt led by the treacherous Tony Blair and with the support of his cronys, did that...!



True, true...and wasn't the political scuttlebutt at the time something along the lines of spin doctor Alastair (let's sex up this dodgy dossier so that Tony can become a great war leader) Campbell having his rather grubby fingers in it?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:13 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


No... our 'progressive' leftie labour govt led by the treacherous Tony Blair and with the support of his cronys, did that...!



True, true...and wasn't the political scuttlebutt at the time something along the lines of spin doctor Alastair (let's sex up this dodgy dossier so that Tony can become a great war leader) Campbell having his rather grubby fingers in it?

I don't know Fred. The time was 2003, and we were just entering being closer and more aware of each other via the Internet. Blair had just come on the scene.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's you who has avoided the discussion and refused to answer my questions, which are very pertinent to the discussion. No matter if you can't keep up though.


I agree Raggs... you have pointed out prime examples that totally destroy the claim of right wing being the nasty warmongering aggressors and lefties never responsible.

Thank you Tommy. I'm glad that somebody understands the point I'm making. Laughing

UK involvement in the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 also took place during the Labour Government, and Bill Clinton was also very much in favour of the bombing, and and also US involvement in the Bosnian war. I'd be interested to know if Quill was opposed to that involvement.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

True, true...and wasn't the political scuttlebutt at the time something along the lines of spin doctor Alastair (let's sex up this dodgy dossier so that Tony can become a great war leader) Campbell having his rather grubby fingers in it?

I don't know Fred.  The time was 2003, and we were just entering being closer and more aware of each other via the Internet.  Blair had just come on the scene.

Yes, it was a long time ago...so long that I was still semi-involved in the media, having retired early to write and broadcast as a freelance contributor.

Campbell, a former political editor of the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror, was Blair's communications supremo...one of the most powerful offices of government although he was a party employee and not an official civil service press officer.

Together with the Machiavellian politician Peter (later Lord) Mandelson he developed the dark art of political spin into an art form which culminated into what became known as the "dodgy dossier", military intelligence material on Iraq's Saddam Hussein which was "sexed up" by the Labour team to soften the UK public to the idea of joining Bush and the USA in the Iraq adventure which led to war and enormous loss of life.

It was on the basis of this dossier that Blair allegedly lied to Parliament that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that could be deployed against British interests, widely believed to refer to the UK military bases in Cyprus, within 45 minutes.

The scuttleutt (I got it from an old friend who was a government press officer in the then Central Office of Information) was that Blair was a covert admirer of former Tory Leader Margaret Thatcher and greatly envied what was widely regarded by the general public as her strong and resolute leadership at the time of the Falklands war - shades of the great Winston Churchill, though on a smaller scale.

Tony wanted a war in order to cement his eventual political legacy; the Saddam intelligence pudding was over egged not only by Downing Street but also Blair's nominee as civilian head of military intelligence...and he got what he (and Bush) wanted. At least that was the story.

All the above is based on my own experiences and my own memory, so I'm open to challenge from those who prefer to Google up everything written with the advantages of hindsight (or even to rely on Wikipedia!)...and I certainly don't feel strongly enough about it after all these years to get worked up enough to argue.

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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:31 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:


I agree Raggs... you have pointed out prime examples that totally destroy the claim of right wing being the nasty warmongering aggressors and lefties never responsible.

Thank you Tommy. I'm glad that somebody understands the point I'm making. Laughing

UK involvement in the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 also took place during the Labour Government, and Bill Clinton was also very much in favour of the bombing, and and also US involvement in the Bosnian war.   I'd be interested to know if Quill was opposed to that involvement.

I am opposed to all foreign adventures in which we (US) have no interest. The US has not been invaded since June 6, 1942, and we fought them off at the Battle of Midway. You will note that the US involvement in Bosnia was minimal. In general, the US Liberal establishment has no interest in war. It is a RW thing.

I would expect it is the same for the UK. The fact that the UK puppy-dogged along with Republicans when they were in power, would suggest to me that your Liberal establishment is weak and given to being led by the nose. I regret being critical, but I would like them to be stronger, with an independent mind.

The UK has had some brilliant political strategists over the centuries, and I wish they would not be so shy today. I know your Tories love their wars--as good conservatives--but my criticism is at the Labour Party. They haven't been good pacifists.

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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:35 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
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I don't know Fred.  The time was 2003, and we were just entering being closer and more aware of each other via the Internet.  Blair had just come on the scene.

Yes, it was a long time ago...so long that I was still semi-involved in the media, having retired early to write and broadcast as a freelance contributor.

Campbell, a former political editor of the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror, was Blair's communications supremo...one of the most powerful offices of government although he was a party employee and not an official civil service press officer.

Together with the Machiavellian politician Peter (later Lord) Mandelson he developed the dark art of political spin into an art form which culminated into what became known as the "dodgy dossier", military intelligence material on Iraq's Saddam Hussein which was "sexed up" by the Labour team to soften the UK public to the idea of joining Bush and the USA in the Iraq adventure which led to war and enormous loss of life.

It was on the basis of this dossier that Blair allegedly lied to Parliament that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that could be deployed against British interests, widely believed to refer to the UK military bases in Cyprus, within 45 minutes.

The scuttleutt (I got it from an old friend who was a government press officer in the then Central Office of Information) was that Blair was a covert admirer of former Tory Leader Margaret Thatcher and greatly envied what was widely regarded by the general public as her strong and resolute leadership at the time of the Falklands war - shades of the great Winston Churchill, though on a smaller scale.

Tony wanted a war in order to cement his eventual political legacy; the Saddam intelligence pudding was over egged not only by Downing Street but also Blair's nominee as civilian head of military intelligence...and he got what he (and Bush) wanted. At least that was the story.

All the above is based on my own experiences and my own memory, so I'm open to challenge from those who prefer to Google up everything written with the advantages of hindsight (or even to rely on Wikipedia!)...and I certainly don't feel strongly enough about it after all these years to get worked up enough to argue.

Fascinating. I love hearing from you about events of this era.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:39 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Yes, it was a long time ago...so long that I was still semi-involved in the media, having retired early to write and broadcast as a freelance contributor.

Campbell, a former political editor of the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror, was Blair's communications supremo...one of the most powerful offices of government although he was a party employee and not an official civil service press officer.

Together with the Machiavellian politician Peter (later Lord) Mandelson he developed the dark art of political spin into an art form which culminated into what became known as the "dodgy dossier", military intelligence material on Iraq's Saddam Hussein which was "sexed up" by the Labour team to soften the UK public to the idea of joining Bush and the USA in the Iraq adventure which led to war and enormous loss of life.

It was on the basis of this dossier that Blair allegedly lied to Parliament that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that could be deployed against British interests, widely believed to refer to the UK military bases in Cyprus, within 45 minutes.

The scuttleutt (I got it from an old friend who was a government press officer in the then Central Office of Information) was that Blair was a covert admirer of former Tory Leader Margaret Thatcher and greatly envied what was widely regarded by the general public as her strong and resolute leadership at the time of the Falklands war - shades of the great Winston Churchill, though on a smaller scale.

Tony wanted a war in order to cement his eventual political legacy; the Saddam intelligence pudding was over egged not only by Downing Street but also Blair's nominee as civilian head of military intelligence...and he got what he (and Bush) wanted. At least that was the story.

All the above is based on my own experiences and my own memory, so I'm open to challenge from those who prefer to Google up everything written with the advantages of hindsight (or even to rely on Wikipedia!)...and I certainly don't feel strongly enough about it after all these years to get worked up enough to argue.

Fascinating.  I love hearing from you about events of this era.

I have to keep digging into the dark recesses of my memory to remind myself that I haven't yet (at the age of 77) reached the stage at which our Australian cousin dismisses my opinions as being the ramblings of a senile geriatric with delusions of Altzheimers!!!!!!!
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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:47 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Fascinating.  I love hearing from you about events of this era.

I have to keep digging into the dark recesses of my memory to remind myself that I haven't yet (at the age of 77) reached the stage at which our Australian cousin dismisses my opinions as being the ramblings of a senile geriatric with delusions of Altzheimers!!!!!!!

Haha...veya's all right. That's the value of not getting cross-hairs with someone; you get to exchange memories and opinions much more freely.

Don't be afraid to be 77. Do you remember, they say that through most of life you only use 10% of your brain capacity? I have a theory that the closer you get to the next step, the more and more capacity you get to enjoy. Great time! Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:50 pm

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Thank you Tommy. I'm glad that somebody understands the point I'm making. Laughing

UK involvement in the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 also took place during the Labour Government, and Bill Clinton was also very much in favour of the bombing, and and also US involvement in the Bosnian war.   I'd be interested to know if Quill was opposed to that involvement.

I am opposed to all foreign adventures in which we (US) have no interest.  The US has not been invaded since June 6, 1942, and we fought them off at the Battle of Midway.  You will note that the US involvement in Bosnia was minimal.  In general, the US Liberal establishment has no interest in war.  It is a RW thing.

I would expect it is the same for the UK.  The fact that the UK puppy-dogged along with Republicans when they were in power, would suggest to me that your Liberal establishment is weak and given to being led by the nose.  I regret being critical, but I would like them to be stronger, with an independent mind.  

The UK has had some brilliant political strategists over the centuries, and I wish they would not be so shy today.  I know your Tories love their wars--as good conservatives--but my criticism is at the Labour Party.  They haven't been good pacifists.

Minimal in what way?

What about Kennedy and Vietnam?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:05 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I am opposed to all foreign adventures in which we (US) have no interest.  The US has not been invaded since June 6, 1942, and we fought them off at the Battle of Midway.  You will note that the US involvement in Bosnia was minimal.  In general, the US Liberal establishment has no interest in war.  It is a RW thing.

I would expect it is the same for the UK.  The fact that the UK puppy-dogged along with Republicans when they were in power, would suggest to me that your Liberal establishment is weak and given to being led by the nose.  I regret being critical, but I would like them to be stronger, with an independent mind.  

The UK has had some brilliant political strategists over the centuries, and I wish they would not be so shy today.  I know your Tories love their wars--as good conservatives--but my criticism is at the Labour Party.  They haven't been good pacifists.

Minimal in what way?

What about Kennedy and Vietnam?

Yes, a lot of people are beginning to realize that Kennedy wasn't all that great.  But it was early in the Cold War era (1960) and Viet Nam, which came after, was the dividing line on war or peace.  

If you remember, before Pearl Harbor there were four Neutrality Acts.  I think after the Viet Nam war, the Liberal establishment returned to that thinking.  That's why it is such a divide.

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No... our 'progressive' leftie labour govt led by the treacherous Tony Blair and with the support of his cronys, did that...!



True, true...and wasn't the political scuttlebutt at the time something along the lines of spin doctor Alastair (let's sex up this dodgy dossier so that Tony can become a great war leader) Campbell having his rather grubby fingers in it?


Yes... and didnt the labour crony attorney general 'Lord goldsmith' say it was illegal, before being 'leaned on', and then doing a 180 degree u-turn by then saying it was all legit...!?
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