Merkel calls for Burka ban

by HoratioTarr Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:30 pm

Angela Merkel has called for a burka ban after saying the 'full veil is not appropriate' in Germany.
In an astonishing U-turn, the German chancellor told her conservative CDU party conference that wearing the burka should be outlawed 'wherever that is legally possible'.
It comes after the 62-year-old stressed her determination to ensure there is no repeat of last year's huge migrant influx as she seeks a fourth term as chancellor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4005180/Angela-Merkel-calls-BURKA-BAN-German-leader-says-veil-not-appropriate-astonishing-U-turn.html

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:33 pm

She's got to play to nationalist gallery in these difficult times.

by HoratioTarr Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:35 pm

Ziz wrote:She's got to play to nationalist gallery in these difficult times.

Do you think there's a 'master' plan? cyclops

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:38 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Ziz wrote:She's got to play to nationalist gallery in these difficult times.

Do you think there's a 'master' plan?

I can't imagine what it is - but it's bound to be fiendish.

by HoratioTarr Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:48 pm

Ziz wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Do you think there's a 'master' plan?

I can't imagine what it is - but it's bound to be fiendish.

She's probably channelling 'you know who'.......

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:51 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I can't imagine what it is - but it's bound to be fiendish.

She's probably channelling 'you know who'.......

Undoubtedly - he was a total fashionist.

by eddie Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:57 pm

I don't agree with banning items of clothing. It's not on. We are grown adults who should be able to wear what the fuck we want.

by nicko Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:02 pm

Would you wear one Eddie, say when you went shopping or out with your Husband?

by eddie Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:18 pm

nicko wrote:Would you wear one Eddie, say when you went shopping or out with your Husband?

If I were Muslim? If I wanted to then yes. I'll wear what I like.

by HoratioTarr Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:21 pm

eddie wrote:
nicko wrote:Would you wear one Eddie, say when you went shopping or out with your Husband?

If I were Muslim? If I wanted to then yes. I'll wear what I like.

What if you didn't want to? But had to. Would you be glad of the ban?

by Major Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:33 pm

Well done Mrs. Merton, oooops I mean Merkel

by magica Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:48 pm

I don't like Burkas, they are scary imo. Also I feel they're repressive to the women, who many don't want to wear them, but are forced to by their husbands.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:12 pm

This is craven politics, I couldn't believe it when I saw the headline.

I'd like to know from what divine power anybody derives the right to tell another person what to wear or to decide for them whether they're wearing it because they want to or "because their husband is forcing them to" Rolling Eyes

Question: "Should a Christian woman wear a bikini?"

Answer: Whether or not to wear a bikini is a question many women struggle with, but for a Christian woman, the issue takes on additional implications. The Bible tells us that God calls women to modesty, which means to not draw attention to themselves: "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God" (1 Timothy 2:9-10).

https://gotquestions.org/Christian-bikini.html

Women who follow religions that demand modesty tend to be dressing modestly because the religion itself demands it, not because of some ogre of a husband.

by Major Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:36 pm

If they wanna live in my country they should dress so NOT to offend, frighten our littlunz or anyone.
If we enter some premisses in UK we have to remove bash hatz.

Another thing, Sikhs are allowed to carry great big dagguz on our island, we are not..

by Original Quill Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:43 pm

Major wrote:If they wanna live in my country they should dress so NOT to offend, frighten our littlunz or anyone.

Do they frighten you? Ever seen cowboy boots? Now that's really scary.

by Major Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Major wrote:If they wanna live in my country they should dress so NOT to offend, frighten our littlunz or anyone.

Do they frighten you? Ever seen cowboy boots? Now that's really scary.

I have a pair of size 12 cowboy boots since about 2005/2007, only worn twice.

by eddie Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:56 pm

Why would a burkha scare you for fucks sake? I've never seen a child scared at the sight of a woman in a burkha, mine certainly never have been.

by Syl Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:01 pm

I think people should be free to wear whatever they choose. I know now there is some doubt on whether some women who wear the face coverings are doing so because they are told to....and that's a difficult one to prove.

I don't think banning any mode of dress is the right thing to do though.

by Victorismyhero Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:44 pm

but its interesting isnt it...just how "flexible" the progressive left are ....when it comes to hanging on to the ONE thing they aspire to.....POWER
Interesting how their "principles" can be jettisoned at the mere mention of opinion poll disfavour........

thank you once again Mrs Merkel, for showing the world and its dog just WHAT your chosen political leaning is, in all its glorious technicolour.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:47 pm

Merkel and her party are right-wing conservatives. scratch

by Spindleshanks Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:49 pm

Wouldn't banning a mode of dress someone wants to wear be equally as oppressive as forcing someone to wear something they don't want to?

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:05 pm

Spindleshanks wrote:Wouldn't banning a mode of dress someone wants to wear be equally as oppressive as forcing someone to wear something they don't want to?

It most definitely would.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:07 pm

The only time I have ever been offended by a mode of dress was by a young girl on a bus who was wear a mini that barely covered her bum and she thought it very funny that she was not wear pants. She thought she was being liberated, I thought she was being oppressed into being sexual and not valuing herself in any way.

by eddie Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:13 pm

I bet she had some draughty issues

by Major Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:16 pm

It is obvious they want to take over this island and make it
THEIR ISLAND,
their dress,
their ghettos,
their mosques,
their own schools,
their own religion,
their large breeding agenda
their own slaughterhouses and so on are good indications of their intent.

There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:16 pm

Major wrote:It is obvious they want to take over this island and make it
THEIR ISLAND,
their dress,
their ghettos,
their mosques,
their own schools,
their own religion,
their large breeding agenda
their own slaughterhouses and so on are good indications of their intent.

There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

Oh do bugger off you stupid old man.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:17 pm

eddie wrote:I bet she had some draughty issues

I bet she did, and not a shred of dignity.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:21 pm

sassy wrote:
Major wrote:It is obvious they want to take over this island and make it
THEIR ISLAND,
their dress,
their ghettos,
their mosques,
their own schools,
their own religion,
their large breeding agenda
their own slaughterhouses and so on are good indications of their intent.

There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

Oh do bugger off you stupid old man.

by eddie Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:22 pm

Major wrote:It is obvious they want to take over this island and make it
THEIR ISLAND,
their dress,
their ghettos,
their mosques,
their own schools,
their own religion,
their large breeding agenda
their own slaughterhouses and so on are good indications of their intent.

There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

Yeah I hear the women in my local Tesco chanting this mantra whilst their putting bread and milk in to their shopping trollies. Rolling Eyes

by Original Quill Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:26 pm

Major wrote:It is obvious they want to take over this island and make it
THEIR ISLAND,
their dress,
their ghettos,
their mosques,
their own schools,
their own religion,
their large breeding agenda
their own slaughterhouses and so on are good indications of their intent.

There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

Well...what's wrong with that? I mean, where's your claim to legitimacy if they come up with the votes?

Your white skin? Your old age. I mean...you're counting on some pretty vacuous stuff.

by Major Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:26 pm

eddie wrote:
Major wrote:It is obvious they want to take over this island and make it
THEIR ISLAND,
their dress,
their ghettos,
their mosques,
their own schools,
their own religion,
their large breeding agenda
their own slaughterhouses and so on are good indications of their intent.

There are none so blind as those who will NOT see.

Yeah I hear the women in my local Tesco chanting this mantra whilst their putting bread and milk in to their shopping trollies.

You go into Tesco where they sell halal meat, you are norty.

by eddie Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:01 pm

Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:18 pm

Jewish supermarket - TESsa COhen.

Immigrants have always contributed to our nation.

by magica Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:31 pm

eddie wrote:Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting Evil or Very Mad

by scrat Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:37 pm

magica wrote:
eddie wrote:Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting

But a full English breakfast ain't complete without 3 1/2" slices of black pudding (not too much cinnamon).

by Victorismyhero Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:51 pm

scrat wrote:
magica wrote:
eddie wrote:Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting
But a full English breakfast ain't complete without 3 1/2" slices of black pudding (not too much cinnamon).

black pudding......yeuk....cant stand the stuff, though doubless if hungry enough I'd eat it.....
but then again if I was hungry enough ...no one would dare sleep within several miles of me....... Merkel calls for Burka ban 3922118137

by Spindleshanks Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:51 pm

magica wrote:
eddie wrote:Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting

That's how all animals have been slaughtered for centuries.

You don't probably know this but...

In 2015, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) published an
Animal Welfare Survey undertaken in abattoirs across
Great Britain in a one week period in September 2013. The
survey provided the numbers of animals slaughtered by the
Shechita and Halal methods and reported that a low
proportion of these animals were not stunned before
slaughter during this period: 2% of cattle, 15% of sheep
and goats, and 3% of poultry. The survey stated that
around 84% of animals slaughtered by the Halal method
were stunned before slaughter.

by magica Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:58 pm

I hate the killing of animals to eat Spindle, but I accept people like it but it must be done humanely, not slit thoats, not shot with a bolt in their head, but humanely. I really don't how they can do the job of killing animals, the noise they make knowing they're going to die must be nightmarish.

by scrat Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:02 pm

Spindleshanks wrote:
magica wrote:

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting

That's how all animals have been slaughtered for centuries.

You don't probably know this but...

In 2015, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) published an
Animal Welfare Survey undertaken in abattoirs across
Great Britain in a one week period in September 2013. The
survey provided the numbers of animals slaughtered by the
Shechita and Halal methods and reported that a low
proportion of these animals were not stunned before
slaughter during this period: 2% of cattle, 15% of sheep
and goats, and 3% of poultry. The survey stated that
around 84% of animals slaughtered by the Halal method
were stunned before slaughter.

If we're going to use animals for meat then I'd prefer to see that none of it was wasted, our ancestors thanked the animals for its life giving properties and drank its blood as blood contains all the minerals we will ever need, especially iron which aids recovery from exhaustion.

"Blood is the life"

by Spindleshanks Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:03 pm

magica wrote:I hate the killing of animals to eat Spindle, but I accept people like it but it must be done humanely, not slit thoats, not shot with a bolt in their head, but humanely. I really don't how they can do the job of killing animals, the noise they make knowing they're going to die must be nightmarish.

The most humane way is to use drugs, problem is drugs render the meat inedible.

Stunning them either means an electric shock or a bolt gun to the head then slitting their throats.

I'm sure if someone could come up with a completely stress free, painless method of slaughtering an animal without the use of drugs they would have done so by now.

by Spindleshanks Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:06 pm

scrat wrote:
Spindleshanks wrote:

That's how all animals have been slaughtered for centuries.

You don't probably know this but...

In 2015, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) published an
Animal Welfare Survey undertaken in abattoirs across
Great Britain in a one week period in September 2013. The
survey provided the numbers of animals slaughtered by the
Shechita and Halal methods and reported that a low
proportion of these animals were not stunned before
slaughter during this period: 2% of cattle, 15% of sheep
and goats, and 3% of poultry. The survey stated that
around 84% of animals slaughtered by the Halal method
were stunned before slaughter.

If we're going to use animals for meat then I'd prefer to see that none of it was wasted, our ancestors thanked the animals for its life giving properties and drank its blood as blood contains all the minerals we will ever need, especially iron which aids recovery from exhaustion.

"Blood is the life"

I think I'll pass on the consuming the blood of animals thanks.

by Guest Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:14 pm

I fry my ~~blood~~ black pudding.

by 'Wolfie Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:10 am

Original Quill wrote:
Major wrote:If they wanna live in my country they should dress so NOT to offend, frighten our littlunz or anyone.

Do they frighten you? Ever seen cowboy boots? Now that's really scary.

Or old saggy women in hotpants or bikinis...

Even more scary..

by 'Wolfie Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:13 am

magica wrote:
eddie wrote:Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting

So then, magica...

You have never eaten poultry or fish, in your whole life ?

We shall just have to take your word for it, that you truly care about how the animals you eat, were killed ?

by 'Wolfie Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:17 am

Lord Foul wrote:but its interesting isnt it...just how "flexible" the progressive left are ....when it comes to hanging on to the ONE thing they aspire to.....POWER
Interesting how their "principles" can be jettisoned at the mere mention of opinion poll disfavour........

thank you once again Mrs Merkel, for showing the world and its dog just WHAT your chosen political leaning is, in all its glorious technicolour.

YOU are mistaken, Victor...

Merkel is a centre-right conservative; not a "leftie", nor a liberal..

by 'Wolfie Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:22 am

AFTER Ms Merkel's announcement, can we now look forward to Major, Tommy, magica, Syl, Horatio and Raggamuffin all migrating to Germany, in support of this enlightened development ???

by Miffs2 Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:09 am

Merkel said what?! You can surely tell when elections appear on the horizon!

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:39 am

eddie wrote:Who cares what meat it is? I don't.

Many people do care about how animals are killed for their meat, and the fact that you don't is a shame.

However, I don't think that anyone is allowed to just kill animals in the manner described in this country.

by Spindleshanks Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:06 am

The only major difference between halal animal and non halal animal slaughter is a prayer said over the animal just before slaughter.

In general, whether they are stunned or not the mode of their death is the same and even if they are stunned I don't think it's possible to know whether they feel pain or whether they don't plus there is always the chance that the stunning wasn't as effective as it should have been and that the animal may actually have begun to recover by the time it's slaughtered.

But, in both cases however unpalatable it might be, unconsciousness and death comes fairly quickly so any suffering is not prolonged.

Sadly, we can't say the same for humans with terminal diseases like cancer.

Did anyone see the photograph of little Jessica Whelan taken a week or so before her death?

by magica Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:59 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
magica wrote:

I do,. These animals are sliced across their throats, hung up, and left in agony to bleed to death! Disgusting

So then, magica...

You have never eaten poultry or fish, in your whole life ?

We shall just have to take your word for it, that you truly care about how the animals you eat, were killed ?

No Ive not eaten poultry but yes I used to eat fish and some meat when young, I don't and haven't for many many years now.

So you can take my word on that Rolling Eyes

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