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Tommy Monk wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I was talking to Stormee and trying to communicate with him on his level. Your input isn't needed.

Why do you seem to assume that all Brits are white?   We have many ethnic people who are proud to be British also and see themselves as British.

Good post!!!


They are also seen as being British!!!


And I'm proud to stand with them as a fellow Brit!!!


As the British identity is more far reaching and widespread than national boundaries... it transcends plenty of those as if they aren't even there... it also goes so much deeper than external physical appearances... it makes colour of skin a superfluous comparative... as it is more of a consciousness... a state of mind... a collective way of thinking...

Paul Ettinger wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I was talking to Stormee and trying to communicate with him on his level. Your input isn't needed.

Which translates as you cannot answer.
He has a point, even if born from a prejduice view, the principle is still a valid point in regards to people who come here and then conflict and clash with the well being and equality of others.
Hence my example, which you shy away from answering.
How are you ever going to instill to make people of prejudice understand reason when as seen by your repoly above its is formed from prejudice itself towards stormee?
So my input is very needed, whether you like it or not

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Well, I gotta say it....

Its funny how the proponents of the left gain collective blindness and tolerance of threats of violence and EVEN manage to take a stance supporting implied terrorism, let alone lesser but still vile "name calling"...when it suits THEIR agenda.

lets face it

one certain poster has

labeled  someone a "nonce" (with all that implies) and has STILL not seen fit to appologise...

another has labelled someone a "baby killer" (but I bet wouldnt have the balls to say it to the face a SERVING member of the armed forces)
that same has made racially loaded and terrorism supporting comments against US...as a nation
and has threatened (though obviously he cant ) physical violence against posters

yet those same lefties are some of the first to whine when the boot is on the other foot....

pot...kettle black...comes to mind....

Now I TRY to be fair....

and as it happens I agree with ben warning stormee over the blowing up of mosques....thats NOT acceptable

BUT.....I find it a poor situation when other mods can blatantly do the same...with impunity.....because they are mods

perhaps its just me......but shouldnt the mods just be that little bit better than that??

opinion is one thing.....how you express that is another altogether....

telling Tommy he has the brains of a zabriskan fonteema is one thing...threatening to punch his lights out is another entirely....

I've asked three times for someone to show me where, because I don't remember seeing it, and my memory is bloody good, but I have been away a lot.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I was talking to Stormee and trying to communicate with him on his level. Your input isn't needed.

Why do you seem to assume that all Brits are white?   We have many ethnic people who are proud to be British also and see themselves as British.

Tommy Monk wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I was talking to Stormee and trying to communicate with him on his level. Your input isn't needed.

Why do you seem to assume that all Brits are white?   We have many ethnic people who are proud to be British also and see themselves as British.

Good post!!!


They are also seen as being British!!!


And I'm proud to stand with them as a fellow Brit!!!


As the British identity is more far reaching and widespread than national boundaries... it transcends plenty of those as if they aren't even there... it also goes so much deeper than external physical appearances... it makes colour of skin a superfluous comparative... as it is more of a consciousness... a state of mind... a collective way of thinking...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Good post!!!


They are also seen as being British!!!


And I'm proud to stand with them as a fellow Brit!!!


As the British identity is more far reaching and widespread than national boundaries... it transcends plenty of those as if they aren't even there... it also goes so much deeper than external physical appearances... it makes colour of skin a superfluous comparative... as it is more of a consciousness... a state of mind... a collective way of thinking...

Again, I was talking to STORMEE, not to y'all. Stormee seems to think that only native-born white people are truly British.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Good post!!!


They are also seen as being British!!!


And I'm proud to stand with them as a fellow Brit!!!


As the British identity is more far reaching and widespread than national boundaries... it transcends plenty of those as if they aren't even there... it also goes so much deeper than external physical appearances... it makes colour of skin a superfluous comparative... as it is more of a consciousness... a state of mind... a collective way of thinking...

Again, I was talking to STORMEE, not to y'all. Stormee seems to think that only native-born white people are truly British.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Again, I was talking to STORMEE, not to y'all. Stormee seems to think that only native-born white people are truly British.

Well, as has been pointed out to me time and again this is a forum for discussion by all.   And once a thread is started, anyone can have their say, yes?    If you wish to converse exclusively with someone, why don't you pm them?

Paul Ettinger wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Again, I was talking to STORMEE, not to y'all. Stormee seems to think that only native-born white people are truly British.

It seems that you also bring the colour of skin constantly into discussions.
How is ever racism going to end, when people like yourself also argue that people are different due to skin colours, when they are biologically the same race. The left fail to see that by dividing humans into racail groups, they provide the means for racists to continue racial hatred. Without different social constructs of races, then racism simply would not then exist.
So anyone can be British as they can be American, they are concepts, except you have to continue to colour everything and divide people as stormee doees over nothing more than the colour of our skins

Tommy Monk wrote:

Paul Ettinger wrote:



It seems that you also bring the colour of skin constantly into discussions.
How is ever racism going to end, when people like yourself also argue that people are different due to skin colours, when they are biologically the same race. The left fail to see that by dividing humans into racail groups, they provide the means for racists to continue racial hatred. Without different social constructs of races, then racism simply would not then exist.
So anyone can be British as they can be American, they are concepts, except you have to continue to colour everything and divide people as stormee doees over nothing more than the colour of our skins

Not quite dodge...


Not anybody can be British... for some it would be easier for them to change the colour of their skins than to change their way of thinking... so regardless of how they end up looking... they will still be easily seen!

Tommy Monk wrote:British people know what it means to be British...


It is only the non British people who don't...

Tommy Monk wrote:

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Well, I gotta say it....

Its funny how the proponents of the left gain collective blindness and tolerance of threats of violence and EVEN manage to take a stance supporting implied terrorism, let alone lesser but still vile "name calling"...when it suits THEIR agenda.

lets face it

one certain poster has

labeled  someone a "nonce" (with all that implies) and has STILL not seen fit to appologise...

another has labelled someone a "baby killer" (but I bet wouldnt have the balls to say it to the face a SERVING member of the armed forces)
that same has made racially loaded and terrorism supporting comments against US...as a nation
and has threatened (though obviously he cant ) physical violence against posters

yet those same lefties are some of the first to whine when the boot is on the other foot....

pot...kettle black...comes to mind....

Now I TRY to be fair....

and as it happens I agree with ben warning stormee over the blowing up of mosques....thats NOT acceptable

BUT.....I find it a poor situation when other mods can blatantly do the same...with impunity.....because they are mods

perhaps its just me......but shouldnt the mods just be that little bit better than that??

opinion is one thing.....how you express that is another altogether....

telling Tommy he has the brains of a zabriskan fonteema is one thing...threatening to punch his lights out is another entirely....

I've asked three times for someone to show me where, because I don't remember seeing it, and my memory is bloody good, but I have been away a lot.

It was in the basement as the global warming thread... but with some other posts that shouldn't have been put there...


I asked eddie to move the non abusive posts back to the main forum for public view...


That became the global warming thread in main forum...


Don't know what happened to the other abusive and threatening and racist stuff from veya and flea keeper... they are not on the now public gw thread... and I can't see them in the basement either...

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'll tell you what. Should the Brits you don't like just leave? You just blamed Tommy for Veya's outburst, and you clearly hate the English as much as he does.

Fuck you.

I was thinking that also.   There's quite a few Brits on here.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'll tell you what. Should the Brits you don't like just leave? You just blamed Tommy for Veya's outburst, and you clearly hate the English as much as he does.

Fuck you.

I was thinking that also.   There's quite a few Brits on here.

I think there's a fair bit of deception going on here, which is actually fairly transparent.

As much as they try, the likes of Ben and Veya will never make me ashamed of the way I am, and they'll never convince me to be ashamed to be British. They have no idea of what makes a lot of Brits tick, and that's what they can't stand.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think there's a fair bit of deception going on here, which is actually fairly transparent.

As much as they try, the likes of Ben and Veya will never make me ashamed of the way I am, and they'll never convince me to be ashamed to be British. They have no idea of what makes a lot of Brits tick, and that's what they can't stand.

an evil heart makes you tick
that racist beat, the ignorant drum
the cruel lying stealing rhythm that makes you British.
the ‘tick’ is the staccato of selfishness that is synonymous with being British.

what we can’t stand is that we are supposed to be like you
I'd stand with an Aboriginal, over you or tommy any day.
Britain can't even accept that OTHER peoples have a History that doesn't say the British are Good.
they steal and then tell those they stole from they should be grateful the brit came and destroyed their nations.

veya_victaous wrote:Yes you do when you act like 'good' is you
Yes you do when you do like tommy did
and say directly that NO ONE BUT EUROPE'S history or culture counts
SO YES YOU FUCKING WELL DO

AND YES YOU Do By Suggesting there is anything WRONG with ME POINTING OUT THE TRUTH, If it isn't English PROPOGANDA you act like it is unacceptable.  

And YOU Vic and Nicko etc HAVE NO FUCKING RIGHT To Complain Because ALL of you are jsut an extention of the problem.

sassy wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

No, it wasn't. It was your online persona, from your vile avatar to the vile hatred, dashed with a heaping helping of ignorance and stupidity, that you post here.

The green was from me.   Why do we allow racist avatars?

nicko wrote:Poor Veya,   he is so disapointed he isn't British,    have you noticed that people who look down on others do so because for some reason they want what the others have got, and are very disatified when they can't have it.

Tommy Monk wrote:
And I never said anything racist to warrant Vegas racist violent outburst...

I simply said that there was hardly anyone in australia or usa 400 years ago!!!

And there were no systematic measurements or recordings of temperatures going on since records began about 100-150 years ago!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:And I never said anything racist to warrant Vegas racist violent outburst... OH, RIGHT - quite right, and because your inability to read and retain any factual data, perhaps we need to just treat you like the Village Idiot you've proven you are    
I simply said that there was hardly anyone in australia or usa 400 years ago!!!Hmmm, because you either willfully ignore that there were native humans there long before your GLORIFIED invaders from jolly ole' England {in both countries} or your feeble attempt at digging away at Veya just grows old especially since you know well his feelings about the Aboriginals in Australia.  But either way, your often lame attempts at trying to be coy and generating those ignorant/BS posts does encourage your tribe of 'like minded pot stirrers' that never read the threads but follow your every mental dribble!    

And there were no systematic measurements or recordings of temperatures going on since records began about 100-150 years ago!!! Snap out of it >  I can't imagine how many times just in my brief period here that I've read the numerous attempts to explain how data was collected from all of the raw material/mineral deposits/tree rings; and yet your limited thought process just can't fathom that ability because you can't THINK beyond a meteorologist telling you what you need to wear today  

nicko wrote:
Poor Veya,   he is so disapointed he isn't British,    have you noticed that people who look down on others do so because for some reason they want what the others have got, and are very disatified when they can't have it.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
And I never said anything racist to warrant Vegas racist violent outburst...

I simply said that there was hardly anyone in australia or usa 400 years ago!!!

And there were no systematic measurements or recordings of temperatures going on since records began about 100-150 years ago!!!

KEEP  ON  SPOUTING your racist fascist bullshit, and I will keep on denouncing you for the neo-nazi little clueless moron that you are, you braindead dumbfuck !

YOU KNOW less than zero about Australia, or North America -- so stop claiming that you do, you disgusting and spineless little maggot..

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tell us the populations of Australia and North America 400 years ago then!!!???

And 'tree rings'...!!!???

They will indicate an age of a tree... not the fucking temperatures you idiot!!!

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tell us the populations of Australia and North America 400 years ago then!!!???
And 'tree rings'...!!!???
They will indicate an age of a tree... not the fucking temperatures you idiot!!!

HEY there,  witless one...
I WASN'T the one mentioning "tree rings" --  veya and Victor may have done so in previous posts, but I haven't as yet..
AND you dare call anyone else "idiot", when you have already been recognised as the stupidest person oon this forum ?

BUT, for your information tree rings do give an indication of conditions that year -- the wider the ring, the better the growing season, and conversely the narrower the ring, the poorer (colder, drier) those seasons..
THEN there's also fossil remains; and ice core samples from Permafrost regions...
YOU REALLY ARE determined to prove your ignorance, aren't you, Tommy ???          

Tommy Monk wrote:Flea keeper... i was answering 4ever about tree rings... from
Its post directly above the post you quoted... where it also commented on populations 400 years ago!!!

And yes I know about the geological data... and it will only give you a general indication over a wider period... not tell you the exact temperature on a given day in a certain location!!!

So do you want to tell us the populations of Australia and North America 400 years ago!!!???

Tell us what instruments were being used to measure temperatures in australia or North America before records began about 150 years ago!!!???

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's just be honest, because it seems we have a number of members here who sort of dance around that idea without just coming out and saying it.

And if you do believe it is, what possible solution is there besides either shutting down all immigration or another world war?

Tommy Monk wrote:


So flea keeper/4everatwat... do either of you idiots want to tell us the populations of Australia and North America 400 years ago!!!???


Tell us what instruments WERE being used to measure temperatures in australia or North America BEFORE records began about 150 YEARS AGO!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


So flea keeper/4everatwat... do either of you idiots want to tell us the populations of Australia and North America 400 years ago!!!???


Tell us what instruments WERE being used to measure temperatures in australia or North America BEFORE records began about 150 YEARS AGO!!!???

These questions are for veya too...


And tell me how any of these questions constituted racism... and warranted Veyas threats of violence and him wishing 80% of British would be dead!!!???

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's just be honest, because it seems we have a number of members here who sort of dance around that idea without just coming out and saying it.

And if you do believe it is, what possible solution is there besides either shutting down all immigration or another world war?

Is a hammer a threat to anyone?

Can be. It's a tool that can be used to construct but it can also be used to destruct.

Religion is also a tool. It's the person who uses or abuses the tool.

When you realise that, you'll stop caring about a person's religion and treat them as individuals.

When will people learn to stop their fear treating people like individuals. We do it all the time, even if we're not racist or bigoted. Why? Becuase we have no sense of reference. We (mainly you, ;-)) don't know many Muslims, so when one does something that scares us, our brains make a connection between "act" and "person". That's the emotional side coping with fear.

The day I discovered I was racist:

2 Somali's tried to mug me a while back. Luckily I got away. But on another day, I saw 2 black guys coming down the alley, all hooded up. If was dark, so all I couldn't see their faces from a distance. As they were about 8 feet away and my heart was pounding, I could finally see their face. They weren't Somali. They turned out to be Sri Lakens. In that instance, my fear disappeared like a heavy load had been lifted.

That was my emotional side reacting to fear. But my rational side, "holy shit, (Zack). That was a bit racist". However, that's just how the brain works. Quick irrational judgements is part of our survival system. My brain had a connection that Somalis are dangerous and Sri Lankens are peaceful.

Of course my rational side realises this is absurd and you should treat people like individuals. Unfortunate truly racist and bigoted people prefer to stay in fear. It somehow empowers their otherwise side lives. This is what "depressed" people do, who have nothing good in their life and want to blame others.

As society, all we can do is construct an environment that increases familiarity so your brain can make some positive connections.  

It's my birthday - so I'm off.

Tommy Monk/VILLAGE IDIOT wrote:So flea keeper/4everatwat... do either of you idiots want to tell us the populations of Australia and North America 400 years ago!!!???

Tell us what instruments WERE being used to measure temperatures in australia or North America BEFORE records began about 150 YEARS AGO!!!???

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's just be honest, because it seems we have a number of members here who sort of dance around that idea without just coming out and saying it.

And if you do believe it is, what possible solution is there besides either shutting down all immigration or another world war?

Is a hammer a threat to anyone?

Can be. It's a tool that can be used to construct but it can also be used to destruct.

Religion is also a tool. It's the person who uses or abuses the tool.

When you realise that, you'll stop caring about a person's religion and treat them as individuals.

When will people learn to stop their fear treating people like individuals. We do it all the time, even if we're not racist or bigoted. Why? Becuase we have no sense of reference. We (mainly you, ;-)) don't know many Muslims, so when one does something that scares us, our brains make a connection between "act" and "person". That's the emotional side coping with fear.

The day I discovered I was racist:

2 Somali's tried to mug me a while back. Luckily I got away. But on another day, I saw 2 black guys coming down the alley, all hooded up. If was dark, so all I couldn't see their faces from a distance. As they were about 8 feet away and my heart was pounding, I could finally see their face. They weren't Somali. They turned out to be Sri Lakens. In that instance, my fear disappeared like a heavy load had been lifted.

That was my emotional side reacting to fear. But my rational side, "holy shit, (Zack). That was a bit racist". However, that's just how the brain works. Quick irrational judgements is part of our survival system. My brain had a connection that Somalis are dangerous and Sri Lankens are peaceful.

Of course my rational side realises this is absurd and you should treat people like individuals. Unfortunate truly racist and bigoted people prefer to stay in fear. It somehow empowers their otherwise side lives. This is what "depressed" people do, who have nothing good in their life and want to blame others.

As society, all we can do is construct an environment that increases familiarity so your brain can make some positive connections.  

It's my birthday - so I'm off.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:PS: I don't think Somali's are muggers anymore.

Now I think they're all taxi drivers. ;-)

eddie wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:PS: I don't think Somali's are muggers anymore.

Now I think they're all taxi drivers. ;-)

If someone else had said that, they'd have been hounded probably.
That's the problem with everyone nowadays. You're not allowed to make jokes - unless, unless....you're a Muslim making it or a black person, then it's ok.
I think that's  why some people get frustrated.

Eilzel wrote:I think its down to a person's entire collection of expressions Eds.

Does Zack call for the expulsion of Somali's from England or claimed they are naturally more inclined to criminal behaviour? No, in fact he cites rightly his own racist thoughts (which we've all) as irrational.

So when he makes a joke like that we know it's cool and in total fun,

If however, someone talks of one group being predisposed to some bad activities and wants that groups rights restricted or even for all such people to leave Britain. Then similar jokes would blatantly be coming from a bad place.

I've mentioned before how I am happy for friends to make certain gay jokes because I know their is no inate homophobia there. They all totally support equality inc things like marriage and adoption. But I wouldn't accept gay jokes from someone who opposed gay rights. Sometimes who says something is as important as what is said.

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:

If someone else had said that, they'd have been hounded probably.
That's the problem with everyone nowadays. You're not allowed to make jokes - unless, unless....you're a Muslim making it or a black person, then it's ok.
I think that's  why some people get frustrated.

I heard a Polish lorry driver on Victoria Derbyshire earlier saying there are too many people coming here that his wages are going down and he's expected to work for £7.50-8.00 an hour and it's not enough to pay mortgage and live etc!!!

He must be a racist... oh... hold on he's Polish...

Only a white British person is a racist when saying exactly the same thing!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:I would be called racist by the idiot lefties if I said it... and the whole claim would be dismissed...

Tommy Monk wrote:But as it's a Polish lorry driver saying it... does that make it now true what I've been saying for years...?


And why is a Polish lorry driver believed when a Brit woukd be vilified and ignored for saying the same thing?

Eilzel wrote:I think its down to a person's entire collection of expressions Eds.

Does Zack call for the expulsion of Somali's from England or claimed they are naturally more inclined to criminal behaviour? No, in fact he cites rightly his own racist thoughts (which we've all) as irrational.

So when he makes a joke like that we know it's cool and in total fun,

If however, someone talks of one group being predisposed to some bad activities and wants that groups rights restricted or even for all such people to leave Britain. Then similar jokes would blatantly be coming from a bad place.

I've mentioned before how I am happy for friends to make certain gay jokes because I know their is no inate homophobia there. They all totally support equality inc things like marriage and adoption. But I wouldn't accept gay jokes from someone who opposed gay rights. Sometimes who says something is as important as what is said.