Grandad shoots himself after finding out his benefits were being stopped

grumpy old git wrote:stop Pissing about Phil....next time take a covert voice recorder with you....And NO its not illegal to do so, as long as 1 party to the conversation agrees (that would be you or DOUG) whether or not it would be acceptable as evidence in court is dependant on a number of things, but you could raise hell with it if you used it right....

grumpy old git wrote:why should DOUG be forced to be financially dependant on PHIL? I thought the idea was to give folks with disablement etc INDEPENDANCE. ???

Sassy wrote:Shut the fuck up Andy, that is just what Phil have been trying to do, and it's been very frustrating for him.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:Shut the fuck up Andy, that is just what Phil have been trying to do, and it's been very frustrating for him.

Oh, well I didn't know that did I?

So I came up with a very sensible idea which he came up with too?

grumpy old git wrote:why should DOUG be forced to be financially dependant on PHIL? I thought the idea was to give folks with disablement etc INDEPENDANCE. ???

Sassy wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Oh, well I didn't know that did I?

So I came up with a very sensible idea which he came up with too?

Yes you did, because he said about the business he is going to set up with his brother when the money comes through on another thread.

Sassy wrote:Yes, you would jump to conclusions like that.   Phil has had a very complicated, frustrating law and family situation to deal with.    Not that it is any of your business.

Sassy wrote:Sounds like she was!

Irn Bru wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


You just proved it is about guilt and not about whether he was in fact able to work. Most people everyday cope with life's problems and some people sadly take their own lives, yet you seek to blame a system that is seeking to end the lunacy of the last government where it allowed people to stay off work on benefits for the most ridiculous claims of not being able to work .

What you lefties fail to understand is that there is little reason why most people cannot work, as many can even when they have disabilities, but you would seek to pay people when they can work which is what is really wrong and also daft by the left as per usual.

So again you have chosen to not set up anything for this man, send his family anything and use his death to make a political statement which is disgusting    

What is disgusting is that this man was left isolated with a feeling of no hope to the extent that he ended his life and you actually believe that he was fit to work. That really says it all and I sincerely hope that the press do not let up on this and that they publish every single incident where this happens.
I'm sure the Tories and their nodding dogs would like it to go away but it won't and it shouldn't.

PhilDidge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

What is disgusting is that this man was left isolated with a feeling of no hope to the extent that he ended his life and you actually believe that he was fit to work. That really says it all and I sincerely hope that the press do not let up on this and that they publish every single incident where this happens.
I'm sure the Tories and their nodding dogs would like it to go away but it won't and it shouldn't.

Thank you for proving my point again on guilt, so its the Governments fault is it, when others go out and get a job, because they want meaning to their lives and do not want to have to live off benefits. You have no evidence other than a biased newspaper article to claim he was not fit to work, again you use guilt proving my point. The sad reality is there is not many reasons people cannot work, the left have for ages mislead people into thinking they do not need to work, which I think is disgusting.  

Irn Bru wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Thank you for proving my point again on guilt, so its the Governments fault is it, when others go out and get a job, because they want meaning to their lives and do not want to have to live off benefits. You have no evidence other than a biased newspaper article to claim he was not fit to work, again you use guilt proving my point. The sad reality is there is not many reasons people cannot work, the left have for ages mislead people into thinking they do not need to work, which I think is disgusting.  

They and ATOS bear a heavy responsibility for what is happening and the press should continue to bring these cases to the attention of the general public. Please don't try and place the guilt cap on the press and people who highlight these incidents and instead out it on the heads of people who defend these clowns in power for what they do. You come into that category by trying to sweep it all under the carpet hoping it will go away but it won't - deal with it.

grumpy old git wrote:mmm what I want to know...

is why is the press being less that factual and biased when it reports these cases
but is entirely reliable, honest and upright when it spreads the propagand and myths about the unemployed etc...

AND STILL, no one has properly challenged my figures which PROVE the bile and hatred towards the less fortunate is not only unjustified, and fodder for the "bullies" but is built soley upon exaggeration and lies.???

PhilDidge wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:mmm what I want to know...

is why is the press being less that factual and biased when it reports these cases
but is entirely reliable, honest and upright when it spreads the propagand and myths about the unemployed etc...

AND STILL, no one has properly challenged my figures which PROVE the bile and hatred towards the less fortunate is not only unjustified, and fodder for the "bullies" but is built soley upon exaggeration and lies.???

Are you telling me the press are not biased Victor, please. They all have their political leaning so please do not even bother to go there on that one. The reality as seen is guilt is used as a tool as if we should never check to see if people can actually work. I find it appalling that people would even try to deny people the chance to work of which many people can do even with disabilities, of which many who do have work every week. the fact is some people think because someone has a disability it automatically means they should never work, sorry but the reality most people can.

So again you prove my point on your utter garbage of using guilt, it is a tactic of the extreme left, when they clearly have no clue on the matter

grumpy old git wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Are you telling me the press are not biased Victor, please. They all have their political leaning so please do not even bother to go there on that one. The reality as seen is guilt is used as a tool as if we should never check to see if people can actually work. I find it appalling that people would even try to deny people the chance to work of which many people can do even with disabilities, of which many who do have work every week. the fact is some people think because someone has a disability it automatically means they should never work, sorry but the reality most people can.

So again you prove my point on your utter garbage of using guilt, it is a tactic of the extreme left, when they clearly have no clue on the matter

well if guillt is a trick of the left, how come these tories have used it so much. as in making anyone getting benefits guilty of whatever people want to beleive they are, and not only guilt, but lies, lack of humanity and arrogance.
Do they make them feel guilty, or do the people claiming themselves do, I know I would not being able to work and support myself

Just who the hell do you think YOU are to be telling folks that they are better off working (and you make it a general observation) when you dont KNOW these folks.....typical treasonous poisonous liberal
I am Phildidge thanks and know people with disabilities, all of whom work that say the exact same thing thanks, so keep your knickers on grandad silly wally and all of them feel better within themselves and have purpose with working
"I kmnow better than you and you should do as I say...regardless.
Really, just because you say so, when I had a sister handicapped and a niece as well, so I have no experince even though I have grown up around this and help disabled people, sure I know nothing Grandad  
 There are some, quite a lot in fact, who may be physically and mentally better off working I agree but there a some who would NOT benefit, and who indeed it may make them WORSE OFF.
Never claimed otherwise, mayve if you stopped being an angry doughnut you would see I said most can work, not all  

In your haste to save yourself a half penny tax, you will not even accept that ANY scheme must absolutely make sure that only the ones who will benefit go forward, those who it may harm  should be insulated as a FIRST concern, yet when I point this out you, drinky and the rest all start crying.
The scheme is not perfect but it is doing a better job than under Labour, where it was a case of just give everyone benefits, it needs work but as stated, there is little reason why most cannot work

Lets face it YOUR concern is PURELY selfish.