Warning: Graphic content...The IDF said he had a knife, the pictures proved it was a pen, but they screamed at him to die while he bled to death

nicko wrote:I asked Sassy to comment about an incident a few days ago where an Arab stabbed several people killing an AmericanTourist.   She has never answered.


Sassy,   if you want to be taken seriously with your continual reports of Israel "atrocities"  you must report Arab ones all well,  otherwise you will be known as a hypocrite.

More Lies from Eyad Kishawi

Didge wrote:Sassy trying to defend an attempted murderer terrorist

For fuck sake, so we see the continued effort by sassy to support terrorists based by a pen on the floor

Of course this sort of falsified crap posted on FB then incites others to violent acts

Sassy with blood on her hands again promoting lies

Raggamuffin wrote:There's not much information about this particular incident and the boy's death. I don't know who took the photo, and there is certainly a pen next to him, but does that mean he didn't have a knife?

The trouble is that if there's no official reports about these incidents, anyone could put their own spin on them, depending on which "side" they're on.

Stormee wrote:

Didge wrote:Sassy trying to defend an attempted murderer terrorist

For fuck sake, so we see the continued effort by sassy to support terrorists based by a pen on the floor

Of course this sort of falsified crap posted on FB then incites others to violent acts

Sassy with blood on her hands again promoting lies

Nothing new there Didge.

When armed people are in a hostile situation their 'self preservation' kicks in, him or me, I know which option I would take as you do not have much time to think.
it is not any good going back to YOUR OWN family in a bodybag.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:There's not much information about this particular incident and the boy's death. I don't know who took the photo, and there is certainly a pen next to him, but does that mean he didn't have a knife?

The trouble is that if there's no official reports about these incidents, anyone could put their own spin on them, depending on which "side" they're on.

Well I do not know many 16 year olds that leave a will before they go at rags

Morning by the way

The point is this claim is what incites further violence and its irresponsible on every level, because it is such claims, that are made on a daily bases that inspire young Palestinians to go out and seek also Martyrdom

What is worse is nobody is speaking out on this and its wrong on every level

nicko wrote:I asked Sassy to comment about an incident a few days ago where an Arab stabbed several people killing an AmericanTourist.   She has never answered.

Sassy,   if you want to be taken seriously with your continual reports of Israel "atrocities"  you must report Arab ones all well,  otherwise you will be known as a hypocrite.

16-year-old shot dead after attempting stabbing outside blockaded village
March 9, 2016 10:52 A.M. (Updated: March 10, 2016 10:06 A.M.)
BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Israeli forces shot dead a 16-year-old Palestinian boy after he attempted to carry out a stabbing attack at a military checkpoint outside the blockaded village of al-Zawiya in Salfit district on Wednesday morning.

Al-Zawiya in the northern West Bank was placed under military blockade late on Tuesday after it is believed one of its residents carried out a stabbing attack near Tel Aviv.
On Wednesday morning, Israeli army spokesperson told Ma'an that an "assailant armed with a knife" approached a military checkpoint on the outskirts of al-Zawiya intending to stab soldiers there.
She said that Israeli forces "thwarted" the attack, shooting the Palestinian dead. No Israelis were injured during the incident.
Locals said that Israeli soldiers shot and wounded a second Palestinian during the deadly encounter, although the army spokesperson had no information about a second Palestinian being shot during the incident.
Local official Naim Shqeir told Ma'an that both Palestinians were "left bleeding" when Palestinian Red Crescent ambulances were prevented from accessing them.
Shqeir said that Israeli soldiers also assaulted a vendor selling vegetables in a pickup truck who was travelling in the area.
The boy was identified 16-year-old Ahmad Yousef Amer from the neighboring village of Masha.
It later emerged he had written a will before his death, saying goodbye to his parents and asking them for forgiveness. He also told them of a debt of 60 shekels he owed his school friends.
The village of al-Zawiya in the northern West Bank was placed under military blockade late on Tuesday after Israel alleges one of its residents carried out a stabbing attack near Petah Tikva, around seven miles east of Tel Aviv.
The 17-year-old, identified as Abd Al-Rahman Radad, was shot dead after wounding an Israeli man. However, the exact circumstances of the incident remained unclear, with early reports suggesting it may have been a brawl between the Israeli and Palestinian as opposed to an attack.
Radad was one of four Palestinians shot dead on Tuesday after a series of attacks left an American tourist dead and at least 12 Israelis wounded.
The violence carried into Wednesday, with another two Palestinians shot dead outside Jerusalem's Old City in the morning after they allegedly carried out a shooting that left a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship in critical condition.  http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=770626

Didge wrote:But who posted the will rags?????

Palestinian video on twitter and they hate Israel.

So that makes the will seem that much more credible than the falsified claim made on FB

Didge wrote:Rags if you scroll down on the twitter account you will see they posted the will themselves on 9/03/2016


https://twitter.com/palestinevideo

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:Rags if you scroll down on the twitter account you will see they posted the will themselves on 9/03/2016


https://twitter.com/palestinevideo

Twitter does my head in really. So it was posted by a pro-Palestinian person on Twitter called "Palestine video".

Didge wrote:Indeed Rags, if he had prepared to die, then its clear he went out to commit a terror act.

The post sassy used was on facebook and thus clearly an invention

Eyad Kishawi, posting in Facebook as Eyad Kay remains a consistent source of misinformation.

Ahmad Amer was shot after attacking a soldier with a knife.  Yet Eyad, co-founder of the extremist group Al Awda shared a post that claimed:

Didge wrote:It was posted on the 9th so no doubt after the event
You mean FB the person on FB is contradicting Rags, by making the false claim
The people on PalestinianVideo just like the Palestinian authorities glorify these terrorists that die. That is why I am not surprised they posted the will as if to glorify his act

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:It was posted on the 9th so no doubt after the event
You mean FB the person on FB is contradicting Rags, by making the false claim
The people on PalestinianVideo just like the Palestinian authorities glorify these terrorists that die. That is why I am not surprised they posted the will as if to glorify his act

Right, so there's a contradiction for a start. Either these pro-Palestinians want to claim to claim that the boy was an innocent victim, or they want to claim that he was indeed up to no good - something which they approve of.

Someone gave me a red for my last post. I don't see what's wrong with asking the OP for comments.

aspca4ever   Today at 5:11 am wrote:

nicko wrote:I asked Sassy to comment about an incident a few days ago where an Arab stabbed several people killing an AmericanTourist.   She has never answered.
Sassy,   if you want to be taken seriously with your continual reports of Israel "atrocities"  you must report Arab ones all well,  otherwise you will be known as a hypocrite.

If such media incidents upset you so much '?' do you not have the option to ignore these factual reports/skip over the topic or better yet bring in the opposing POV and start your very own topic as the offset to this one? 

16-year-old shot dead after attempting stabbing outside blockaded village
March 9, 2016 10:52 A.M. (Updated: March 10, 2016 10:06 A.M.)
BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Israeli forces shot dead a 16-year-old Palestinian boy after he attempted to carry out a stabbing attack at a military checkpoint outside the blockaded village of al-Zawiya in Salfit district on Wednesday morning.

Al-Zawiya in the northern West Bank was placed under military blockade late on Tuesday after it is believed one of its residents carried out a stabbing attack near Tel Aviv.
On Wednesday morning, Israeli army spokesperson told Ma'an that an "assailant armed with a knife" approached a military checkpoint on the outskirts of al-Zawiya intending to stab soldiers there.
She said that Israeli forces "thwarted" the attack, shooting the Palestinian dead. No Israelis were injured during the incident.
Locals said that Israeli soldiers shot and wounded a second Palestinian during the deadly encounter, although the army spokesperson had no information about a second Palestinian being shot during the incident.
Local official Naim Shqeir told Ma'an that both Palestinians were "left bleeding" when Palestinian Red Crescent ambulances were prevented from accessing them.
Shqeir said that Israeli soldiers also assaulted a vendor selling vegetables in a pickup truck who was travelling in the area.
The boy was identified 16-year-old Ahmad Yousef Amer from the neighboring village of Masha.
It later emerged he had written a will before his death, saying goodbye to his parents and asking them for forgiveness. He also told them of a debt of 60 shekels he owed his school friends.
The village of al-Zawiya in the northern West Bank was placed under military blockade late on Tuesday after Israel alleges one of its residents carried out a stabbing attack near Petah Tikva, around seven miles east of Tel Aviv.
The 17-year-old, identified as Abd Al-Rahman Radad, was shot dead after wounding an Israeli man. However, the exact circumstances of the incident remained unclear, with early reports suggesting it may have been a brawl between the Israeli and Palestinian as opposed to an attack.
Radad was one of four Palestinians shot dead on Tuesday after a series of attacks left an American tourist dead and at least 12 Israelis wounded.
The violence carried into Wednesday, with another two Palestinians shot dead outside Jerusalem's Old City in the morning after they allegedly carried out a shooting that left a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship in critical condition.  http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=770626

I'd be much happier to read what you'd present then to read yet another flaming attack towards the members of this community!  Just Say'n...it's what these community forums are SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT!  RIGHT  
For those that are 'INTERNET' challenged --- Bing/Google/any current media source has these type of stories listed --- let your fingers do the walking but you have to place your MIND to the task!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:It was posted on the 9th so no doubt after the event
You mean FB the person on FB is contradicting Rags, by making the false claim
The people on PalestinianVideo just like the Palestinian authorities glorify these terrorists that die. That is why I am not surprised they posted the will as if to glorify his act

Right, so there's a contradiction for a start. Either these pro-Palestinians want to claim to claim that the boy was an innocent victim, or they want to claim that he was indeed up to no good - something which they approve of.

Someone gave me a red for my last post. I don't see what's wrong with asking the OP for comments.

Stormee wrote:Asking for someone to answer is OK but ya can't insist someone answers as annoying as it might be.
They have a right not to answer.

Didge wrote:

Stormee wrote:Asking for someone to answer is OK but ya can't insist someone answers as annoying as it might be.
They have a right not to answer.

This is true stormee, that they do not have to answer, but that can lead to a very simple conclusion as to why not.
Its been demonstrated with evidence that the claim made from Facebook is utterly false.
I would say the silence is down to embarrassment for being so gullible, but that is just my opinion. As lets face it when someone does make a momentous screw up like this, the last thing you want to do is embarrass yourself further by denying the facts and defending the original claim. You would want that thread to disappear as quickly as possible. As the claim is disgustingly claiming a terrorist is somehow a victim. So I reckon they know they made a very poor decision to post this.

As to giving a red is a rep point on the side of a post Stormee, which signifies disproval

Stormee wrote:

Didge wrote:


This is true stormee, that they do not have to answer, but that can lead to a very simple conclusion as to why not.
Its been demonstrated with evidence that the claim made from Facebook is utterly false.
I would say the silence is down to embarrassment for being so gullible, but that is just my opinion. As lets face it when someone does make a momentous screw up like this, the last thing you want to do is embarrass yourself further by denying the facts and defending the original claim. You would want that thread to disappear as quickly as possible. As the claim is disgustingly claiming a terrorist is somehow a victim. So I reckon they know they made a very poor decision to post this.

As to giving a red is a rep point on the side of a post Stormee, which signifies disproval

Embarrassment is a the word, Didge

I drop a few clanguz but I am not embarrassed though,


Still don't understand the red rep bit.

eddie wrote:Storm a "red" is a negative vote and a "green" is a positive vote, given by one poster to another for a particular post.
You can vote this way yourself.
You'll see, on the right of a post, a + and -
You can vote + if you like a post or - if you don't

As to the question on whether sassy should answer, well I have posted a thread up befroe and not commented right away.
Perhaps she hasn't been online since posting it up?

Stormee wrote:Asking for someone to answer is OK but ya can't insist someone answers as annoying as it might be.
They have a right not to answer.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:Storm a "red" is a negative vote and a "green" is a positive vote, given by one poster to another for a particular post.
You can vote this way yourself.
You'll see, on the right of a post, a + and -
You can vote + if you like a post or - if you don't

As to the question on whether sassy should answer, well I have posted a thread up befroe and not commented right away.
Perhaps she hasn't been online since posting it up?

This is a fair point Eddie, though she was online when this was being debated earlier

Not that it matters, as I have no interest to cause any friction

eddie wrote:Storm a "red" is a negative vote and a "green" is a positive vote, given by one poster to another for a particular post.
You can vote this way yourself.
You'll see, on the right of a post, a + and -
You can vote + if you like a post or - if you don't

As to the question on whether sassy should answer, well I have posted a thread up befroe and not commented right away.
Perhaps she hasn't been online since posting it up?

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

This is a fair point Eddie, though she was online when this was being debated earlier

Not that it matters, as I have no interest to cause any friction

Evening didge

As to the OP, Facebook is renowned for people posting a random picture up and writing totally the wrong message, and then, like Chinese whispers, it gets more and more warped out of shape.

Not that I am claiming this is the case here as I don't know.

aspca4ever wrote:
WHEW...all that  16+ back & fourth posts --- with ZERO factual information expressed or clearly thought through and what could easily have been cleared up {much like I did via the internet search} and found that link I provided {at 5 am this morning} and that one just one link of many listed on my news search request! 
But do carry on --- the drama that unfolds between these two is

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

This is a fair point Eddie, though she was online when this was being debated earlier

Not that it matters, as I have no interest to cause any friction

Evening didge

As to the OP, Facebook is renowned for people posting a random picture up and writing totally the wrong message, and then, like Chinese whispers, it gets more and more warped out of shape.

Not that I am claiming this is the case here as I don't know.

Let Wounded Terrorists Die, Top Haredi Rabbi Rules
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com
The #2 non-hasidic Ashkenazi haredi rabbinic leader in Israel (and arguably worldwide, as well) Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky told the heads of Israel’s haredi United Hatzolah volunteer ambulance and paramedic organization today that they their organizations should refuse to treat wounded Palestinian terrorists until all non-terrorists have been treated, even if the terrorist is the most seriously injured of all the wounded, Arutz Sheva reported. This applies, Kanievsky said, as long as it is clear who among the wounded is and who among them is not a terrorist.
Kanievsky also said if a terrorist is so seriously wounded that s/he is in imminent danger of dying, United Hatzolah should refuse to treat the terrorist at all and should instead just let him or her die.
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2015/12/let-wounded-terrorists-die-top-haredi-rabbi-rules-567.html

sraeli Medic: “We Don’t Provide Treatment To Wounded Palestinians”
Thursday December 24, 2015 11:19 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC News

An Israeli medic said on his Twitter page Thursday that field medical crews do not provide treatment to what he called “terrorists”, and stated that, in Hebron, he provided treatment to wounded Israelis “but I did not provide any treatment to the terrorist although he suffered more serious wounds.”

Text of tweet from Israeli medic (image from Twitter)
The medic said he wanted to be clear in his message when he said, “To all who ask, when I got to the scene today in Jaffa Gate, I helped the wounded [Israelis], but not the hateful terrorist, although he suffered more critical wounds.”

In another Tweet, the Israeli medics said, “When you go to the site of a stabbing attack, and you realize that the victim suffered a serious injury, and the terrorist was shot and also suffered a serious injury, who do you help? Now you answer me.”

There have been many reports, some captured on video, showing Israeli medics ignoring wounded Palestinians, and leaving them to bleed to death, in direct violation of International Law.

Many Israeli medics also carry automatic machine guns despite the fact that whenever they operate in the occupied territories many fully armed soldiers always accompany them.

Palestinian medics said in response to the news that such a statement by a medic, a person who vows to help any person who needs help, regardless of his faith, race, tone of skin or any other aspect, validates various reports regarding wounded Palestinians who bled to death while Israeli medics refrained from providing them with the urgently needed medical treatment.
http://www.imemc.org/article/74344

On the 28th of February around 4:00pm, 12 year old Palestinian boy, Sayed Seder was arrested by 10 heavily armed Israeli soldiers whilst playing football with his friends on the street in front of his family home. The Israeli army claim that he was arrested under allegations he was throwing stones at the guard tower which watches over Al-Shallalah Street and the illegal Israeli settlement that has been built directly behind the street and family home.

Abed, the father of Sayed went down to confront the soldiers after Sayed’s friends came running up to the family home, explaining to the father what was happening. When Abed approached the soldiers to ask them what exactly they were arresting his son for, the soldiers responded by informing him that it was because he was seen throwing rocks at the guard tower above. However, the street is lined with a protective type of fencing above the shops roofs that prohibits objects being thrown up or in the most common cases, being thrown down by illegal Israeli settlers who live above. Abed put the argument forward that it would have been pointless for his son to have been throwing stones with this protective barrier in place. Perhaps the logic of this made too much sense and the arresting soldier quickly changed his story and then began to tell Abed his son was being arrested for stealing a settler child’s football whilst pointing to the ball that Sayed and his friends were playing with. Abed informed the soldier that the ball Sayed and his friends were playing with was in fact a ball that he had purchased for Sayed from a shop in Halhoul just recently. The soldier who was evidently lying and knowingly falsely accusing Sayed of the above allegations ignored any more of Abed’s protests and continued to arrest Sayed.

Al-Shallalah street where Sayed was arrested

From this point Sayed was marched to the Shuhada street entrance gate and taken through while his parents and friends were forced to stand back and watch. Sayed was then taken to the local military base on Shuhada street. Upon entering the military base he was reportedly handcuffed and blindfolded. The blindfold remained on for around 30minutes before being taken off, assuming that it was put on so he could not get a full view of what was happening inside the military compound for security purposes. Sayed alleges that teenage settlers who were allowed into the compound then beat him while the Israeli army simply stood back and did nothing. In recent light of leaked videos showing the torture of young Palestinians by Israeli soldiers whilst being detained does nothing to boost the credibility of the Israeli army or give merit to this bogus arrest of a 12 year old.

Protective fencing installed above Al-Shallalah street and the guard tower

Sayed was later released from custody at around 9pm to Palestinian authorities where he complained of pain in his kidneys. His father arrived shortly after and took Sayed to hospital where doctors examined him. While the doctors could not find physical wounds that would require further attention they did note that Sayed was severely traumatised from the event and was in a state of shock.

Just 3 months ago the Israeli army arrested one of Abed’s other sons who is 10 years old. The reason for the arrest was that he too was suspected of throwing stones at the military. As Abed didn’t believe this and objected he too was arrested with his 10 year old son. They were detained for 6 hours and released without charge.

One significant fact is that Abed’s house backs onto the illegal Israeli settlement of Beit Hadasa. Abed used to sell artisans out of the family home but has had to stop because of ongoing harassment both physical and verbal to himself and to his customers from the settlers that occupy the land next to his home. The front of Abed’s house has been covered in barbed wire by the Israeli military and is adorned with bags of dirty hummus, eggs and other foul items thrown down by the illegal settlers. The army has also boarded up the windows of his family home (without his permission) that overlook Beit Hadasa.

Abed’s home and the illegal Israeli settlement of Beit Hadasa

The barbed wire at the entrance to Abed’s house with rubbish thrown down by settlers

While harassment from the settlers in Hebron is  often considered an unfortunate normality to most Palestinians living under occupation, the armies continued bogus charges and harassment of Abed and his family give one the impression that the Zionist regime is using a tactical ploy to get Abed and his family out of their home for further settlement expansion.

http://palsolidarity.org/2016/03/bogus-arrest-of-12-year-old-boy-in-hebron/

Israeli Police Caught On Video Hosing ‘Skunk Spray’ on Palestinian Elementary Schools and Protesters



Israeli police in Jerusalem have been caught on video recently spraying East Jerusalem Palestinian neighborhoods with a concoction they call “skunk spray”. The liquid is a mixture of sewage and rotting animal roadkill.
The result of the police hosing down neighborhoods, elementary schools and protesters with the mix is a putrid smell that seems almost impossible to get off or be around without inducing nausea. As a result, thousands of East Jerusalem children have been forced to stay home from school.
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/israeli-police-on-video-hosing-palestinian-elementary-schools-and-protesters-with-skunk-spray/

The have seen their fellow Palestinians burnt with white phosphorus in Gaza and watched while IDF shoot girls with sunglasses in public and get away with it and plant knives on Palestinian boys who have been shot by settlers, all recorded.

eddie wrote:Wow that's a horrible read sassy.