Slapping.

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge stated >>> That is fair enough, just saying there are more avenues that lead to domestic violence that has been stated
Not defending any of this as its always wrong, but people are not being open minded enough on the issue
I have made no views on Rags points and would no doubt disagree

Oh, we've posted and regurgitated the info and posted helpful sights & links that need to be shared with anyone/everyone that has known or might know a human suffering from abuse...
It's just rather pathetic that 'SOME' posters go off the rail about a posted conversation between 2 people from 1970 that was only used as an EXAMPLE for discussion sakes and that's all...
ADHD seems to be a hazard with Ragg's and the vitriol that spells from her finger is a prime example of her irrational/hysteria driven way of communicating!  

HoratioTarr wrote:The majority of domestic violence injuries and murders happen after the victim has left. One can't escape a dangerous situation if it simply feels safer to stay.  Too, there is the guilt, self blame and shame and the desperate hope that things will, must, get better if only they try hard enough.   One can’t underestimate how worthless these people feel, how utterly miserable and hopeless.  It’s very sad.

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

All those qualifications and not a speck of sense! 

And you based this from what exactly?
Your own?
Quite an immature reply really, if you think he is wrong then reason your points

Didge stated >>>
Sorry am not interested in your fights with other posters as that adds nothing to the debate

Again there is much more about domestic violence, so lets just stick to the topics please as the points of the debate matter not the poster

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge wrote:
And you based this from what exactly?
Your own?
Quite an immature reply really, if you think he is wrong then reason your points

 

Didge stated >>>
Sorry am not interested in your fights with other posters as that adds nothing to the debate

Again there is much more about domestic violence, so lets just stick to the topics please as the points of the debate matter not the poster

Oh, so sorry; I'll catch onto your rational --- your a prime example of 'do as I say - not as I do'!!!  
I will try to remember your 'BETTER' personality traits for posting techniques --- really, I will.  LMAO

Didge ranted >>> Yes its called act your age which its seems you and Horatio and Sassy and more intent on ganging up on another poster
Its quite pathetic actually
All you have posted to me in the last few posts is looking for others to agree with your bitching
Sorry its immature
Now grow up

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge ranted >>> Yes its called act your age which its seems you and Horatio and Sassy and more intent on ganging up on another poster
Its quite pathetic actually
All you have posted to me in the last few posts is looking for others to agree with your bitching
Sorry its immature
Now grow up

No - not my intent at all; yet you've proven your anal attitude just keeps forging forward daily.
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults

 I explained to YOU {anal arse that you are} that since you couldn't be bothered in doing an reading and just stepped into the end of this entire thread/topic
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults

--- I WOULDN'T BE TAKING RAGG'S OPINION FOR ANYTHING THING OF VALUE!!!  
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults
You are the one that made a reference to Sassy's POV regarding something you'd just latched onto from Ragg's utter ignorant posts!  
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults

See, I tried to keep you from appearing the utter fool and jerk; BING - you've finished the act quite sufficiently all on your own vile method of posting!  
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults

ROTFLMAO --- you are a primo example of HYPOCRITE and now a fool as well.  WELL DONE!!!

Didge wrote:

aspca4ever wrote:

 



Oh, so sorry; I'll catch onto your rational --- your a prime example of 'do as I say - not as I do'!!!  
I will try to remember your 'BETTER' personality traits for posting techniques --- really, I will.  LMAO

Yes its called act your age which its seems you and Horatio and Sassy and more intent on ganging up on another poster

Its quite pathetic actually

All you have posted to me in the last few posts is looking for others to agree with your bitching

Sorry its immature

Now grow up

Didge wrote:Actually it shows a shortsightedness by sassy why some men end up abusing.

My Irish grandfather fought throughout WW2 and had never been abusive until he came back and turned to drink to attempt to drown out the nightmares he continued to have after the conflict. There is nothing to excuse his violence, and I condemn it full but there is also such a thing as post traumatic stress which effects the lives of thousands of soldiers. So whilst I do not deny some men go out of their way to manipulate women to control them and abuse them we also fail thousands of the armed forces who simple cannot cope with what they have been through. Hence why it is not so cut and dry and sassy is trying to make out. He drank away the shop the family had and hit out all the time at the family. My grandmother died in the end of a heart attack and he died not long after of a broken heart. To me they were yet more victims of the effects of that war.

Didge wrote:That is definitely Beekeeper

As nobody has a potty mouth like Bee, so this child must be beekeeper

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yes its called act your age which its seems you and Horatio and Sassy and more intent on ganging up on another poster

Its quite pathetic actually

All you have posted to me in the last few posts is looking for others to agree with your bitching

Sorry its immature

Now grow up

   I haven't 'ganged up' on anyone here.   I don't see anyone ganging up.  Raggamuffin puts across a valid argument, others respond.  That's the nature of debate.   You, however, seem to revel in stirring the pot.

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge ranted >>> Yes its called act your age which its seems you and Horatio and Sassy and more intent on ganging up on another poster
Its quite pathetic actually
All you have posted to me in the last few posts is looking for others to agree with your bitching
Sorry its immature
Now grow up

No - not my intent at all; yet you've proven your anal attitude just keeps forging forward daily.  I explained to YOU {anal arse that you are} that since you couldn't be bothered in doing an reading and just stepped into the end of this entire thread/topic --- I WOULDN'T BE TAKING RAGG'S OPINION FOR ANYTHING THING OF VALUE!!!  
You are the one that made a reference to Sassy's POV regarding something you'd just latched onto from Ragg's utter ignorant posts!  

See, I tried to keep you from appearing the utter fool and jerk; **BINGO** - you've finished the act quite sufficiently all on your own vile method of posting!  

ROTFLMAO --- you are a primo example of HYPOCRITE and now a fool as well.  WELL DONE!!!

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:That is definitely Beekeeper

As nobody has a potty mouth like Bee, so this child must be beekeeper

Didn't you agree to stop accusing posters of being someone else?

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

   I haven't 'ganged up' on anyone here.   I don't see anyone ganging up.  Raggamuffin puts across a valid argument, others respond.  That's the nature of debate.   You, however, seem to revel in stirring the pot.

So you never jumped on posts where people were being abusive and tried to stir then?

I am afraid you need to wash your mouth out with soap

You were ganging up and it shows your immaturity

Didge wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didn't you agree to stop accusing posters of being someone else?

Changed my mind, and when I know it to be someone else there is no point in people denying this

When you stop shit stirring, then I might listen to you

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


So you never jumped on posts where people were being abusive and tried to stir then?

I am afraid you need to wash your mouth out with soap

You were ganging up and it shows your immaturity

I see you're still smarting from me commenting on your use of the C word as a form of rational debate.   Get over it, you fanny.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


Changed my mind, and when I know it to be someone else there is no point in people denying this

When you stop shit stirring, then I might listen to you

Well, if you're not listening to me, stop replying to my posts.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yes its called act your age which its seems you and Horatio and Sassy and more intent on ganging up on another poster

Its quite pathetic actually

All you have posted to me in the last few posts is looking for others to agree with your bitching

Sorry its immature

Now grow up

   I haven't 'ganged up' on anyone here.   I don't see anyone ganging up.  Raggamuffin puts across a valid argument, others respond.  That's the nature of debate.   You, however, seem to revel in stirring the pot.

Didge wrote:

Didge wrote:Actually it shows a shortsightedness by sassy why some men end up abusing.

My Irish grandfather fought throughout WW2 and had never been abusive until he came back and turned to drink to attempt to drown out the nightmares he continued to have after the conflict. There is nothing to excuse his violence, and I condemn it full but there is also such a thing as post traumatic stress which effects the lives of thousands of soldiers. So whilst I do not deny some men go out of their way to manipulate women to control them and abuse them we also fail thousands of the armed forces who simple cannot cope with what they have been through. Hence why it is not so cut and dry and sassy is trying to make out. He drank away the shop the family had and hit out all the time at the family. My grandmother died in the end of a heart attack and he died not long after of a broken heart. To me they were yet more victims of the effects of that war.

Here is my posts again which is true in that Sassy takes a one track view of the problem

Prove otheriwse

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge wrote:


Here is my posts again which is true in that Sassy takes a one track view of the problem

Prove otheriwse

Yipper, a certified FOOL and HYPOCRITE to boot; you'll rant/rave/preach proper debate etiquette and yet you can't be bothered with doing your very own reading to get up todate with all of the factual/links and ADULT DISCUSSION that you missed out on!  
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults

And I was wrong --- where you jumped into the fray was just at the point where members were sick & tired of Ragg's petulant rantings {that did look similar to yours from the recent posts} and the adults were smacking her knuckles quite rightly.  
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults

That's where you chose to come barging in here---without taking the time to READ ~~~ and you have the nerve to admonish the rest of the members for their behavior
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults
Well little boy, you certainly do have the nerve --- utter lack of adult behavior is still something you might grow into...but until then; do stop behaving like a toddler with dirty undies!  LMAO  
No point made on the debate, just more infantile insults
BTW --- I'm NOT YO MOMMA - go do your own reading or better yet hire someone to decipher the written words for you...your comprehension is lacking as well.

Didge wrote:Actually it shows a shortsightedness by sassy why some men end up abusing.

My Irish grandfather fought throughout WW2 and had never been abusive until he came back and turned to drink to attempt to drown out the nightmares he continued to have after the conflict. There is nothing to excuse his violence, and I condemn it full but there is also such a thing as post traumatic stress which effects the lives of thousands of soldiers. So whilst I do not deny some men go out of their way to manipulate women to control them and abuse them we also fail thousands of the armed forces who simple cannot cope with what they have been through. Hence why it is not so cut and dry and sassy is trying to make out. He drank away the shop the family had and hit out all the time at the family. My grandmother died in the end of a heart attack and he died not long after of a broken heart. To me they were yet more victims of the effects of that war.

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge wrote:


Here is my posts again which is true in that Sassy takes a one track view of the problem

Prove otheriwse

Yipper, a certified FOOL and HYPOCRITE to boot; you'll rant/rave/preach proper debate etiquette and yet you can't be bothered with doing your very own reading to get up todate with all of the factual/links and ADULT DISCUSSION that you missed out on!  
And I was wrong --- where you jumped into the fray was just at the point where members were sick & tired of Ragg's petulant rantings {that did look similar to yours from the recent posts} and the adults were smacking her knuckles quite rightly.  

That's where you chose to come barging in here---without taking the time to READ ~~~ and you have the nerve to admonish the rest of the members for their behavior
Well little boy, you certainly do have the nerve --- utter lack of adult behavior is still something you might grow into...but until then; do stop behaving like a toddler with dirty undies!  LMAO  
BTW --- I'm NOT YO MOMMA - go do your own reading or better yet hire someone to decipher the written words for you...your comprehension is lacking as well.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

   I haven't 'ganged up' on anyone here.   I don't see anyone ganging up.  Raggamuffin puts across a valid argument, others respond.  That's the nature of debate.   You, however, seem to revel in stirring the pot.

I think he's referring to your silly "moot" post. I was quite surprised at that one myself.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think he's referring to your silly "moot" post. I was quite surprised at that one myself.

It was a reference to his over use of the word.   He chucks it around like a chimp chucking peanuts, along with accusations of other posters' immaturity.   It was no actual pop at you.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:ragga.....I gotta ask....

you aint married to didge are you???

or maybe his sister??

or.......???

I think he's rubbing off on her 

She'll be telling Sass it's 'moot'  next!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Found this a few years ago:

The Cycle of Violence

Phase 1: Tension building (In this phase there is usually tension building from the batterer/abuser and there is usually an argument)

Phase 2: Explosion (this is where the assault happens)

Phase 3: Honeymoon Phase (this is where the batterer/abuser apologizes for his behavior buying the victim gifts or flowers)  

The Five Types of Abuse

Emotional (killing pet, playing mind games)                                
Verbal (calling names)
Technological (GPS system /Face book sabotage)                                        
Sexual (forcing sex while sleep or based on the bible)
Physical (killing, punching, choking)

Profile of an Abuser/Batterer

Jealousy (questioning her constantly about whereabouts, and jealous of time she spends away from him).
Controlling behavior (I’ve had clients who’s victim couldn’t get a job, leave the house or bathe without his permission)
Isolation (Makes partner move away from family and friends so that she depends on him solely for support.)
Forces her to have sex against her will (I’ve had several clients who forced their partners to have sex with their friends and forces sex when she is asleep.)
Holds very rigid gender roles (Believes that her job is just to cater to him, he is the “king of the castle.”)  

Diagnosis of Abusers/Batterers

Antisocial Personality Disorder, (deceitfulness, repeatedly lying, use of aliases or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.)
Borderline Personality Disorder (a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships by alternating between extreme idealizations and devaluation.)
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-reality-corner/201302/behind-the-veil-inside-the-mind-men-abuse

It takes a very "weak man" who's lost control of himself, to feel the need to control others who are vulnerable.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Found this a few years ago:

The Cycle of Violence

Phase 1: Tension building (In this phase there is usually tension building from the batterer/abuser and there is usually an argument)

Phase 2: Explosion (this is where the assault happens)

Phase 3: Honeymoon Phase (this is where the batterer/abuser apologizes for his behavior buying the victim gifts or flowers)  

The Five Types of Abuse

Emotional (killing pet, playing mind games)                                
Verbal (calling names)
Technological (GPS system /Face book sabotage)                                        
Sexual (forcing sex while sleep or based on the bible)
Physical (killing, punching, choking)

Profile of an Abuser/Batterer

Jealousy (questioning her constantly about whereabouts, and jealous of time she spends away from him).
Controlling behavior (I’ve had clients who’s victim couldn’t get a job, leave the house or bathe without his permission)
Isolation (Makes partner move away from family and friends so that she depends on him solely for support.)
Forces her to have sex against her will (I’ve had several clients who forced their partners to have sex with their friends and forces sex when she is asleep.)
Holds very rigid gender roles (Believes that her job is just to cater to him, he is the “king of the castle.”)  

Diagnosis of Abusers/Batterers

Antisocial Personality Disorder, (deceitfulness, repeatedly lying, use of aliases or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.)
Borderline Personality Disorder (a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships by alternating between extreme idealizations and devaluation.)
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-reality-corner/201302/behind-the-veil-inside-the-mind-men-abuse

It takes a very "weak man" who's lost control of himself, to feel the need to control others who are vulnerable.

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh no, not the Islam thing again.

The thing is, most women would want to dump a bloke who said she couldn't leave the house or who forced her to have sex with his mates. Why then would anyone stay after that point?

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Found this a few years ago:

The Cycle of Violence

Phase 1: Tension building (In this phase there is usually tension building from the batterer/abuser and there is usually an argument)

Phase 2: Explosion (this is where the assault happens)

Phase 3: Honeymoon Phase (this is where the batterer/abuser apologizes for his behavior buying the victim gifts or flowers)  

The Five Types of Abuse

Emotional (killing pet, playing mind games)                                
Verbal (calling names)
Technological (GPS system /Face book sabotage)                                        
Sexual (forcing sex while sleep or based on the bible)
Physical (killing, punching, choking)

Profile of an Abuser/Batterer

Jealousy (questioning her constantly about whereabouts, and jealous of time she spends away from him).
Controlling behavior (I’ve had clients who’s victim couldn’t get a job, leave the house or bathe without his permission)
Isolation (Makes partner move away from family and friends so that she depends on him solely for support.)
Forces her to have sex against her will (I’ve had several clients who forced their partners to have sex with their friends and forces sex when she is asleep.)
Holds very rigid gender roles (Believes that her job is just to cater to him, he is the “king of the castle.”)  

Diagnosis of Abusers/Batterers

Antisocial Personality Disorder, (deceitfulness, repeatedly lying, use of aliases or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.)
Borderline Personality Disorder (a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships by alternating between extreme idealizations and devaluation.)
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-reality-corner/201302/behind-the-veil-inside-the-mind-men-abuse

It takes a very "weak man" who's lost control of himself, to feel the need to control others who are vulnerable.

So when are they going to start looking at this very real problem in Muslim majority countries then Zack?

Except in Islam its endorsed to hit the wife and that there is no such thing as marital rape

So Islam makes and allows for a very weak man to be empowered

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


So when are they going to start looking at this very real problem in Muslim majority countries then Zack?

Except in Islam its endorsed to hit the wife and that there is no such thing as marital rape

So Islam makes and allows for a very weak man to be empowered

Complete rubbish, of course. Using a man written, English translation of the Quran.

And Christians and those of other religions still abuse women. They ALL abuse for the same reasons, regardless of faith.

But of course, just because I reply, you bring the Islam angle in every reply. Pathetic. Let's not pretend you give a shit about abused women.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Complete rubbish, of course. Using a man written, English translation of the Quran.

And Christians and those of other religions still abuse women. They ALL abuse for the same reasons, regardless of faith.

But of course, just because I reply, you bring the Islam angle in every reply. Pathetic. Let's not pretend you give a shit about abused women.

Its not rubbish though as there is plenty of imans that teach this view

Just because you live in a western society that has laws against this, maybe you can point to the laws in many Muslim majority countries that has laws against marital rape and domestic violence then?

Many abuse because of the faith and what it teaches

I make no excuses for any here as there are all abhorrent in what they teach in regards to women being second to men

Didge

Please grow up Joy you are not fooling anyone and as you never made any point on anything I posted, It shows you are nothing more than here to shit stir

Didge continued rants >>> Not until you act with some maturity and stop shit stirring and ganging up on posters
Can you not fight your own battles you need to jump on others to belittle people
That really shows how pathetic you are and childish

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Complete rubbish, of course. Using a man written, English translation of the Quran.

And Christians and those of other religions still abuse women. They ALL abuse for the same reasons, regardless of faith.

But of course, just because I reply, you bring the Islam angle in every reply. Pathetic. Let's not pretend you give a shit about abused women.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Its not rubbish though as there is plenty of imans that teach this view

Just because you live in a western society that has laws against this, maybe you can point to the laws in many Muslim majority countries that has laws against marital rape and domestic violence then?

Many abuse because of the faith and what it teaches

I make no excuses for any here as there are all abhorrent in what they teach in regards to women being second to men

Muslims don't get their Islam from Imams. Lol!

You're also guilty of the prejudice that Muslim women are weak and subservient. Laughable.

Women are abused in the same way, regardless of any religion or none. That's the point.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Lol! Well done. You've managed to find one imam.

No go listen to someone like Pat Robertson.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Complete rubbish, of course. Using a man written, English translation of the Quran.

And Christians and those of other religions still abuse women. They ALL abuse for the same reasons, regardless of faith.

But of course, just because I reply, you bring the Islam angle in every reply. Pathetic. Let's not pretend you give a shit about abused women.

Don't forget to mention the atheists - just to provide some balance.

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge

Please grow up Joy you are not fooling anyone and as you never made any point on anything I posted, It shows you are nothing more than here to shit stir

 Oh, hail and bow down to the AUTHORITY on proper debate decorum >>>

Didge continued rants >>> Not until you act with some maturity and stop shit stirring and ganging up on posters
Can you not fight your own battles you need to jump on others to belittle people
That really shows how pathetic you are and childish

So many voices in his wee-little head:
First I'm Bee, then Beekeeper, then Wolfman, then back to Bee, now to 'JOY';     So many authors/former members names and so little time...but do carry on with your proving how we ADULTS should behave --- it's so very entertaining from such a wee-immature little boy!  

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't forget to mention the atheists - just to provide some balance.

But of course. And that's the point. Faith or lack of, is irrelevant to the abuser. I'm glad you get it. It's just Didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Complete rubbish, of course. Using a man written, English translation of the Quran.

And Christians and those of other religions still abuse women. They ALL abuse for the same reasons, regardless of faith.

But of course, just because I reply, you bring the Islam angle in every reply. Pathetic. Let's not pretend you give a shit about abused women.

Don't forget to mention the atheists - just to provide some balance.

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge

Please grow up Joy you are not fooling anyone and as you never made any point on anything I posted, It shows you are nothing more than here to shit stir

 Oh, hail and bow down to the AUTHORITY on proper debate decorum >>>

Didge continued rants >>> Not until you act with some maturity and stop shit stirring and ganging up on posters
Can you not fight your own battles you need to jump on others to belittle people
That really shows how pathetic you are and childish

So many voices in his wee-little head:
First I'm Bee, then Beekeeper, then Wolfman, then back to Bee, now to 'JOY';     So many authors/former members names and so little time...but do carry on with your proving how we ADULTS should behave --- it's so very entertaining from such a wee-immature little boy!  

sassy wrote:

aspca4ever wrote:

 Oh, hail and bow down to the AUTHORITY on proper debate decorum >>>


So many voices in his wee-little head:
First I'm Bee, then Beekeeper, then Wolfman, then back to Bee, now to 'JOY';     So many authors/former members names and so little time...but do carry on with your proving how we ADULTS should behave --- it's so very entertaining from such a wee-immature little boy!  

Re the 'good night and good morning' thread.  You really know about the middle of America for someone who the Dodgy one thinks lives in Australia or Scotland lol

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't forget to mention the atheists - just to provide some balance.

I am sure there are atheists, but not many, as how many atheists are in jail for domestic violence

Then compare that to how many are religious