Claudia Rankine: ‘Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people’

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The award-winning poet on Serena Williams, her emotional book signings and why racism is inescapable

Your book, Citizen: An American Lyric, has won the National Book Critics’ Circle poetry award in the US, the Forward in the UK and is shortlisted for the TS Eliot prize. It exposes racism in the US at its most violent and at its most nuanced. Why the title?
I called it Citizen because I wanted to ask: who gets to hold that status – despite everyone technically having it? How is it embodied and honoured? The title contains a question.

What the book does most powerfully is to make it clear that racism is everyone’s problem.
Racism is complicated. White people feel personally responsible for racism when they should understand the problem as systemic. It is interfering as much with their lives as with the lives of people of colour. And racism can lodge in them. It isn’t them yet it can become them if they are not taking notice.

Does the subject sometimes feel a burden to write about?
For me, this will sound odd. I find it interesting to look at language itself and think about what language can do. Language reveals something that happens so fast. It is language that pulls moments into their reality. And for readers – for people of colour – they have said they find it cathartic to have moments that they have kept to themselves openly written about.

Is there a denial of racism among black people?
I don’t think black people are in denial. They just need to lead their lives. They are going to shut things up and there will be repression. I include myself in that.

I find it interesting to look at language itself and think about what language can do
The book is much more than autobiographical. How many people did you interview in preparation for writing?
It was a loose anthropological exercise [laughter]. I spoke to my friends! About 25 people, black and white.

Has Serena Williams read or responded to the piece in Citizen in which you champion her?
Well, do you know what has just happened? Apparently, Serena Williams is [Sports Illustrated’s] athlete of the year and the LA Times has put out a cover to its sports magazine asking the question: does Serena Williams deserves sportsperson of the year more than a horse? [Kentucky Derby winner American Pharaoh is the horse in question.] As one of my friends protested: this is the same paper that made Citizen one of its books of the year. And, yes, Serena has seen what I wrote about her. I interviewed her for the New York Times in August. I took her willingness to be interviewed as a sign of approval.

“Because white men can’t/ police their imagination/ black men are dying.” What was in your mind when you wrote that line?
When white men are shooting black people, some of it is malice and some an out-of-control image of blackness in their minds. Darren Wilson told the jury that he shot Michael Brown because he looked “like a demon”. And I don’t disbelieve it. Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people.

Why is it so hard to call out racism?
Because making other people uncomfortable is thought worse than racism. It has taken me a while to train myself to speak out.

You make “situation videos” with your husband, John Lucas, using news stories, to illustrate your poems dynamically…
Yes – have you seen the recent video in Clinton correctional facility where guards refer to a black prisoner’s “non-compliant” body? He is non-compliant because he is dead.

You quote a friend of yours who said: “The condition of black life is one of mourning.” Do you agree?
Yes, I would agree, although black culture is also alive and vibrant.

You have a daughter – how do you arm her against racism?
It is important black parents are on guard against self-hatred, which gets communicated to children. We talk about racism but my daughter gets sick of it and rolls her eyes…

You were born in Jamaica. Do you define yourself through it? Do you feel pride in being black? Or is that a racist question – I’d find it absurd if anyone asked me whether I have pride in being white…
It is not a question I would ask. It is like asking: do you feel a pride in being human? I am a black person, it has made me into the person I am. I grew up with Jamaican parents and came here when I was seven. My parents came to the US, as all immigrants do, for economic betterment. We lived in the Bronx. My parents worked as hospital orderlies. I know it’s not the image people have of the Bronx but we had a comfortable, regular working-class life.

How did this lead to becoming a writer?
I went to Williams College, a fantastic liberal arts school. I started writing in my sophomore year after reading the poet Adrienne Rich and thinking: this is almost right but does not quite say what I want to say…

How often in your life in southern California does racism impinge on you?
I have had a privileged life in academia. But racism is inescapable, even among well-educated, questioning people.

You have mentioned walking in the mountains with your dog, Sammy. Is that your escape when you are not on the literary frontline?
I am considering walking in the mountains this afternoon, but don’t see it as an escape. Walking is slow, meditative.

You have talked about an incident at an airport where you were travelling with your husband, who is white. You were stopped and you said: “I am being racially profiled.” Why did they stop you?
You can’t know – but they stopped me. Then they said: “Go.” No explanation. When I said: “I’m being racially profiled”, the official asked: “Why are you saying that?” And he did look chagrined.

In a New Yorker article you wrote: “There really is no mode of empathy that can replicate the daily strain of knowing that as a black person you can be killed simply for being black.” What is needed if empathy is useless?
I’m not saying that anything can be enough. Empathy is not a cure.

What’s the most surprising reaction to your book been so far?
The initial embrace of the book was surprising. You don’t know if two people will read it. And to have people come out in force… The most surprising thing has been the number of Asian women who have come up to me at book signings with tears in their eyes to say: this is my life you’re writing.

Citizen: An American Lyric is published by Penguin (£9.99). Click here to order a copy for £7.99

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Your book, Citizen: An American Lyric, has won the National Book Critics’ Circle poetry award in the US, the Forward in the UK and is shortlisted for the TS Eliot prize. It exposes racism in the US at its most violent and at its most nuanced. Why the title?
I called it Citizen because I wanted to ask: who gets to hold that status – despite everyone technically having it? How is it embodied and honoured? The title contains a question.

What the book does most powerfully is to make it clear that racism is everyone’s problem.
Racism is complicated. White people feel personally responsible for racism when they should understand the problem as systemic. It is interfering as much with their lives as with the lives of people of colour. And racism can lodge in them. It isn’t them yet it can become them if they are not taking notice.

Does the subject sometimes feel a burden to write about?
For me, this will sound odd. I find it interesting to look at language itself and think about what language can do. Language reveals something that happens so fast. It is language that pulls moments into their reality. And for readers – for people of colour – they have said they find it cathartic to have moments that they have kept to themselves openly written about.

Is there a denial of racism among black people?
I don’t think black people are in denial. They just need to lead their lives. They are going to shut things up and there will be repression. I include myself in that.

I find it interesting to look at language itself and think about what language can do
The book is much more than autobiographical. How many people did you interview in preparation for writing?
It was a loose anthropological exercise [laughter]. I spoke to my friends! About 25 people, black and white.

Has Serena Williams read or responded to the piece in Citizen in which you champion her?
Well, do you know what has just happened? Apparently, Serena Williams is [Sports Illustrated’s] athlete of the year and the LA Times has put out a cover to its sports magazine asking the question: does Serena Williams deserves sportsperson of the year more than a horse? [Kentucky Derby winner American Pharaoh is the horse in question.] As one of my friends protested: this is the same paper that made Citizen one of its books of the year. And, yes, Serena has seen what I wrote about her. I interviewed her for the New York Times in August. I took her willingness to be interviewed as a sign of approval.

“Because white men can’t/ police their imagination/ black men are dying.” What was in your mind when you wrote that line?
When white men are shooting black people, some of it is malice and some an out-of-control image of blackness in their minds. Darren Wilson told the jury that he shot Michael Brown because he looked “like a demon”. And I don’t disbelieve it. Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people.

Why is it so hard to call out racism?
Because making other people uncomfortable is thought worse than racism. It has taken me a while to train myself to speak out.

You make “situation videos” with your husband, John Lucas, using news stories, to illustrate your poems dynamically…
Yes – have you seen the recent video in Clinton correctional facility where guards refer to a black prisoner’s “non-compliant” body? He is non-compliant because he is dead.

You quote a friend of yours who said: “The condition of black life is one of mourning.” Do you agree?
Yes, I would agree, although black culture is also alive and vibrant.

You have a daughter – how do you arm her against racism?
It is important black parents are on guard against self-hatred, which gets communicated to children. We talk about racism but my daughter gets sick of it and rolls her eyes…

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You were born in Jamaica. Do you define yourself through it? Do you feel pride in being black? Or is that a racist question – I’d find it absurd if anyone asked me whether I have pride in being white…
It is not a question I would ask. It is like asking: do you feel a pride in being human? I am a black person, it has made me into the person I am. I grew up with Jamaican parents and came here when I was seven. My parents came to the US, as all immigrants do, for economic betterment. We lived in the Bronx. My parents worked as hospital orderlies. I know it’s not the image people have of the Bronx but we had a comfortable, regular working-class life.

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How did this lead to becoming a writer?
I went to Williams College, a fantastic liberal arts school. I started writing in my sophomore year after reading the poet Adrienne Rich and thinking: this is almost right but does not quite say what I want to say…

How often in your life in southern California does racism impinge on you?
I have had a privileged life in academia. But racism is inescapable, even among well-educated, questioning people.

You have mentioned walking in the mountains with your dog, Sammy. Is that your escape when you are not on the literary frontline?
I am considering walking in the mountains this afternoon, but don’t see it as an escape. Walking is slow, meditative.

You have talked about an incident at an airport where you were travelling with your husband, who is white. You were stopped and you said: “I am being racially profiled.” Why did they stop you?
You can’t know – but they stopped me. Then they said: “Go.” No explanation. When I said: “I’m being racially profiled”, the official asked: “Why are you saying that?” And he did look chagrined.

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In a New Yorker article you wrote: “There really is no mode of empathy that can replicate the daily strain of knowing that as a black person you can be killed simply for being black.” What is needed if empathy is useless?
I’m not saying that anything can be enough. Empathy is not a cure.

What’s the most surprising reaction to your book been so far?
The initial embrace of the book was surprising. You don’t know if two people will read it. And to have people come out in force… The most surprising thing has been the number of Asian women who have come up to me at book signings with tears in their eyes to say: this is my life you’re writing.

Citizen: An American Lyric is published by Penguin (£9.99). Click here to order a copy for £7.99

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by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:59 pm

I see that Veya is starting on Nicko now. I think he must be very insecure because he always has to find someone to pick on.

by eddie Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Alex was that white on black crime?

Good question. There's no breakdown of those figures - which come from the Daily Mirror. It could mean anything - it could mean racially-motivated crimes against white people. It could mean religiously-motivated crimes against Christians.

I'm not sure how anyone can discuss racially-motivated crimes without mentioning race really. There's some serious lack of logic on this forum at times.

I know rags. No logic at all.

by veya_victaous Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:23 pm

yeah so the Union Jack now has the same meaning as the Swastika internationally because of the output of the UK.
none of you are in any position to say you are not racist, as you living in what is regarded as a VERY Racist culture.
Even Australia's Racist stereotypes are all about the Anglo Australian and the Anglo tendency for racism.

The reason why it is pointless question because it is just trying to make yourself feel better about the evil that your nation is notorious for. NO it is not fair to try and make excuses, no that is not discussing or trying to deal with racism it is just trying to make excuses for racism that push the blame on to anyone but yourselves that push the onus to fix the problem on anyone but yourselves as is typical with everything you guys discuss, never try and fix just try and make up an excuse for it to be someone else’s problem

And then You assholes have the nerve to suggest other nations that Cleary have had real set backs directly caused by the UK should just forget the crimes British people were committing against them 50 years ago!!!!

by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:25 pm

veya_victaous wrote:yeah so the Union Jack now has the same meaning as the Swastika internationally because of the output of the UK.
none of you are in any position to say you are not racist, as you living in what is regarded as a VERY Racist culture.
Even Australia's Racist stereotypes are all about the Anglo Australian and the Anglo tendency for racism.

The reason why it is pointless question because it is just trying to make yourself feel better about the evil that your nation is notorious for. NO it is not fair to try and make excuses, no that is not discussing or trying to deal with racism it is just trying to make excuses for racism that push the blame on to anyone but yourselves that push the onus to fix the problem on anyone but yourselves as is typical with everything you guys discuss, never try and fix just try and make up an excuse for it to be someone else’s problem

And then You assholes have the nerve to suggest other nations that Cleary have had real set backs directly caused by the UK should just forget the crimes British people were committing against them 50 years ago!!!!

Your opinion is worth nothing because you're a racist who supports the IRA. You will never be British - get over it.

by veya_victaous Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:40 pm

like the other thread I would not wish British citizenship on my enemy.

and I Don't care enough about the IRA to Support them but I do generally support those that fight for freedom over oppression. To most of the world the IRA is like the Aceh rebels not doing damage to anything important enough to warrant seriously thinking about

by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:54 pm

veya_victaous wrote:like the other thread I would not wish British citizenship on my enemy.

and I Don't care enough about the IRA to Support them but I do generally support those that fight for freedom over oppression. To most of the world the IRA is like the Aceh rebels not doing damage to anything important enough to warrant seriously thinking about

In other words, you support the IRA. You should just admit that you support the murder of British citizens - you've wished for their deaths before. You and your supporters are disgusting, but then you already know that.

Still, you won't be polluting this country with your presence any time soon, so that's one good thing ...

by veya_victaous Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:04 am

Of course I support the legitamate killing of oppressors, If the Britsh citizens wish to act like ISIS they shodul be treated like ISIS.

the only reason the IRA existed was because the Britsh illegally invaded another nation and would not respect the local population.

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:20 am

veya_victaous wrote:Of course I support the legitamate killing of oppressors, If the Britsh citizens wish to act like ISIS they shodul be treated like ISIS.

the only reason the IRA existed was because the Britsh illegally invaded another nation and would not respect the local population.

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

by veya_victaous Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:29 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Of course I support the legitamate killing of oppressors, If the Britsh citizens wish to act like ISIS they shodul be treated like ISIS.

the only reason the IRA existed was because the Britsh illegally invaded another nation and would not respect the local population.

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

So you support ISIS?
do you think it is right to try and kill memebers of ISIS?

P.S>
Did you or Eddie Approve this sign? scratch

Claudia Rankine: ‘Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people’ - Page 2 IzLjtIm

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:30 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

So you support ISIS?
do you think it is right to try and kill memebers of ISIS?

P.S>
Did you or Eddie Approve this sign?

You obviously support ISIS - they kill Brits.

by veya_victaous Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:32 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Of course I support the legitamate killing of oppressors, If the Britsh citizens wish to act like ISIS they shodul be treated like ISIS.

the only reason the IRA existed was because the Britsh illegally invaded another nation and would not respect the local population.

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

And Again MOST nations do not think that way.
Most nations Acknoweldge msot of the fault in the IRA/UK conflict lies with the UK.

it is only Nazi like Uber Rightwing nationalist like yourself that suggest the Uk had even the slightest right to be in Ireland at all. Suspect

it's not your country why do you have soliders there at all????

by veya_victaous Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:34 am

Answer the question Raggs!!!! Do do a didge and avoid it

DO YOU Raggamuffin support killign ISIS? or do you think they should be rewarded and be allowed to keep the stolen terrority and have the locals that wish to be free of oppression declared terrorists?

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:38 am

veya_victaous wrote:Answer the question Raggs!!!! Do do a didge and avoid it

DO YOU Raggamuffin support killign ISIS? or do you think they should be rewarded and be allowed to keep the stolen terrority and have the locals that wish to be free of oppression declared terrorists?

I don't answer to terrorist supporters. You clearly have no understanding of the situation anyway.

Are you and Victor so desperate to get Didge back that you have to keep mentioning him?

by veya_victaous Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:11 am

I didn't even know he left confused

no wonder your squawking so much

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:14 am

veya_victaous wrote:I didn't even know he left no wonder your squawking so much

You mean you're squawking because he's not here to have a go at you. Does it make you feel all brave?

by eddie Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:46 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Of course I support the legitamate killing of oppressors, If the Britsh citizens wish to act like ISIS they shodul be treated like ISIS.

the only reason the IRA existed was because the Britsh illegally invaded another nation and would not respect the local population.

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

So you support ISIS?
do you think it is right to try and kill memebers of ISIS?

P.S>
Did you or Eddie Approve this sign?

Veya you know, when it boils down to it, you're far more racist than me.
I'm honest.
You hate, deride and judge the British.

You work it out.

by Guest Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:49 am

eddie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

So you support ISIS?
do you think it is right to try and kill memebers of ISIS?

P.S>
Did you or Eddie Approve this sign?

Veya you know, when it boils down to it, you're far more racist than me.
I'm honest.
You hate, deride and judge the British.

You work it out.

Really?

You have said to me that stereotypes are based on truths, when they are based on negative prejudice formed from hate

How does that make you any different?

So yeah you tell me how that works out, because I fail to see any difference?

Is it not far more dishonest to back stereotypes that hold no truth and are formed to hate others?

by Guest Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:52 am

veya_victaous wrote:like the other thread I would not wish British citizenship on my enemy.

and I Don't care enough about the IRA to Support them but I do generally support those that fight for freedom over oppression. To most of the world the IRA is like the Aceh rebels not doing damage to anything important enough to warrant seriously thinking about

The IRA did not fight in the end for freedom as they ended up butchering innocent people

If you think murdering innocent people is fighting for freedom, then you fail to understand what freedom is

The troubles were not ended by violence in Northern Ireland but by a peace process

Also the IRA did not respect the self determination of the Northern Irish#

That is also not fighting for freedom, but enforcing a view through violence, being fundamentally against democracy

By your views the Aborigines would have every right to slaughter all the colonialists and their descendants for the oppression they received under them and still do to this day

by nicko Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:15 am

Veya knows nothing, if brains were dynamite he wouldn't have enough to blow his hat off!

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:06 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

And Again MOST nations do not think that way.
Most nations Acknoweldge msot of the fault in the IRA/UK conflict lies with the UK.

it is only Nazi like Uber Rightwing nationalist like yourself that suggest the Uk had even the slightest right to be in Ireland at all.
it's not your country why do you have soliders there at all????

Australia wasn't your country but that didn't stop you stealing it. I guess that makes you a racist Nazi. It's not your country - get out and give back what you stole, you fascist bully.

by Guest Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:44 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

And Again MOST nations do not think that way.
Most nations Acknoweldge msot of the fault in the IRA/UK conflict lies with the UK.

it is only Nazi like Uber Rightwing nationalist like yourself that suggest the Uk had even the slightest right to be in Ireland at all.
it's not your country why do you have soliders there at all????

So you are now excusing violence and murder off self determination?

Yes you sound like a right Nazi, because the people of Northern Ireland voted to stay British

It matters not centuries ago, that Scottish traitors took up lands stolen by the English, as generations have passed, what matters now is the people living their determining their own future, which also does not undermine the minority of Catholics, though this is now near equivalent.

Sorry but your understanding of history is a joke, where by your own views on this you should leave Australia immediately and you are nothing more than an occupier to the lands of the Aboriginals

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:01 am

nicko wrote:Veya knows nothing, if brains were dynamite he wouldn't have enough to blow his hat off!

He's an absolute joke. He seems to think that the IRA and the British army met in a field somewhere and had a punch up, unless he really does believe that people working in shops or going for a drink in a pub were active combatants. He also seems to think that a majority in a country who want to be British are being oppressed by the British. He even seems to think that horses in a park in London were fair game.

by nicko Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:14 am

He is just a an ignorant "digger"

by eddie Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:53 am

Veya gets a bit drunk I think as he hardly makes sense at times.

by HoratioTarr Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:31 pm

veya_victaous wrote:yeah so the Union Jack now has the same meaning as the Swastika internationally because of the output of the UK.
none of you are in any position to say you are not racist, as you living in what is regarded as a VERY Racist culture.
Even Australia's Racist stereotypes are all about the Anglo Australian and the Anglo tendency for racism.

The reason why it is pointless question because it is just trying to make yourself feel better about the evil that your nation is notorious for. NO it is not fair to try and make excuses, no that is not discussing or trying to deal with racism it is just trying to make excuses for racism that push the blame on to anyone but yourselves that push the onus to fix the problem on anyone but yourselves as is typical with everything you guys discuss, never try and fix just try and make up an excuse for it to be someone else’s problem

And then You assholes have the nerve to suggest other nations that Cleary have had real set backs directly caused by the UK should just forget the crimes British people were committing against them 50 years ago!!!!

Anyone would think Australia had no history of racism and bigotry. Doesn't the majority of Australian lineage hail from Britain, pre World Wars 1 and 2?

by HoratioTarr Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:34 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

And Again MOST nations do not think that way.
Most nations Acknoweldge msot of the fault in the IRA/UK conflict lies with the UK.

it is only Nazi like Uber Rightwing nationalist like yourself that suggest the Uk had even the slightest right to be in Ireland at all.
it's not your country why do you have soliders there at all????

Australia wasn't their country either, but millions of Australians can thank the Brits for now being there.

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:47 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well done for admitting that you support terrorist murderers. Now we're getting somewhere.

And Again MOST nations do not think that way.
Most nations Acknoweldge msot of the fault in the IRA/UK conflict lies with the UK.

it is only Nazi like Uber Rightwing nationalist like yourself that suggest the Uk had even the slightest right to be in Ireland at all.
it's not your country why do you have soliders there at all????

Australia wasn't their country either, but millions of Australians can thank the Brits for now being there.

That’s Fucking Right and that is Why WE ACKNOWLEDGE that we were ---- when we had too many 'proud brits' so we are trying to make things better unlike the UK that is still just being ---- and then Have the hide to Say they are not racist!!!

that is the worst part, the acting like the UK is not a major cause of the problems so should not bare any responsibility but then acting like other nations should care if the Irish kill some English that have already told the world that they don’t care about Non-Brit's.

the UK should be paying everyone in India Scotland Ireland and Wales plus a dozen other nations, like we pay EVERY Aboriginal !!! it called reparation and responsibility And the brit’s can shut the fuck and stop even suggesting they are in even the most minuscule way disadvantaged UNTIL they do the right thing and show some responsibility and being reparation

by nicko Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:52 pm

Cupid stunt!

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:54 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:yeah so the Union Jack now has the same meaning as the Swastika internationally because of the output of the UK.
none of you are in any position to say you are not racist, as you living in what is regarded as a VERY Racist culture.
Even Australia's Racist stereotypes are all about the Anglo Australian and the Anglo tendency for racism.

The reason why it is pointless question because it is just trying to make yourself feel better about the evil that your nation is notorious for. NO it is not fair to try and make excuses, no that is not discussing or trying to deal with racism it is just trying to make excuses for racism that push the blame on to anyone but yourselves that push the onus to fix the problem on anyone but yourselves as is typical with everything you guys discuss, never try and fix just try and make up an excuse for it to be someone else’s problem

And then You assholes have the nerve to suggest other nations that Cleary have had real set backs directly caused by the UK should just forget the crimes British people were committing against them 50 years ago!!!!

Anyone would think Australia had no history of racism and bigotry. Doesn't the majority of Australian lineage hail from Britain, pre World Wars 1 and 2?

Again Another great point HT
Until we where truely freed from Britsh Oppresion by the USA in WW2, Australia was Ultra Racsit like it's British lineage would imply.

it is only post ww2 that large number of non Brits (but still white europeans) arrived and then in the 60's once the British poopulation had become Multicultral european they lifted the white australia policy. Since then our popualtion has doubled with very large numbers of Asians and Indians.

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:55 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Australia wasn't their country either, but millions of Australians can thank the Brits for now being there.

That’s Fucking Right and that is Why WE ACKNOWLEDGE that we were ---- when we had too many 'proud brits' so we are trying to make things better unlike the UK that is still just being ---- and then Have the hide to Say they are not racist!!!

that is the worst part, the acting like the UK is not a major cause of the problems so should not bare any responsibility but then acting like other nations should care if the Irish kill some English that have already told the world that they don’t care about Non-Brit's.

the UK should be paying everyone in India Scotland Ireland and Wales plus a dozen other nations, like we pay EVERY Aboriginal !!! it called reparation and responsibility And the brit’s can shut the fuck and stop even suggesting they are in even the most minuscule way disadvantaged UNTIL they do the right thing and show some responsibility and being reparation

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines. Cool

by Ben Reilly Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Australia wasn't their country either, but millions of Australians can thank the Brits for now being there.

That’s Fucking Right and that is Why WE ACKNOWLEDGE that we were ---- when we had too many 'proud brits' so we are trying to make things better unlike the UK that is still just being ---- and then Have the hide to Say they are not racist!!!

that is the worst part, the acting like the UK is not a major cause of the problems so should not bare any responsibility but then acting like other nations should care if the Irish kill some English that have already told the world that they don’t care about Non-Brit's.

the UK should be paying everyone in India Scotland Ireland and Wales plus a dozen other nations, like we pay EVERY Aboriginal !!! it called reparation and responsibility And the brit’s can shut the fuck and stop even suggesting they are in even the most minuscule way disadvantaged UNTIL they do the right thing and show some responsibility and being reparation

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines.

You don't think India wanted to be independent before the British showed up?

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:24 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines.

You don't think India wanted to be independent before the British showed up?

What a strange question. I suppose you think the Brits should pay India for anything that happened before the Brits showed up. Laughing

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:10 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Australia wasn't their country either, but millions of Australians can thank the Brits for now being there.

That’s Fucking Right and that is Why WE ACKNOWLEDGE that we were ---- when we had too many 'proud brits' so we are trying to make things better unlike the UK that is still just being ---- and then Have the hide to Say they are not racist!!!

that is the worst part, the acting like the UK is not a major cause of the problems so should not bare any responsibility but then acting like other nations should care if the Irish kill some English that have already told the world that they don’t care about Non-Brit's.

the UK should be paying everyone in India Scotland Ireland and Wales plus a dozen other nations, like we pay EVERY Aboriginal !!! it called reparation and responsibility And the brit’s can shut the fuck and stop even suggesting they are in even the most minuscule way disadvantaged UNTIL they do the right thing and show some responsibility and being reparation

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines.

You Know Aboriginals Are Australian And Pay themselves reparations You dumb ass that is Exactly how it works your just to racsit a dumb to see it.

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:14 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines.

You Know Aboriginals Are Australian And Pay themselves reparations You dumb ass that is Exactly how it works your just to racsit a dumb to see it.

I see you had a sudden change of mind - the "we" in your post now includes the people you're paying, so they're paying themselves. That's pretty dumb, even for an Aussie. Razz

How thick are you? All that boasting about how much money you earn, and you can't even understand simple logic. You said that the UK should pay everyone in Scotland and Wales. They are in the UK you dumb moron, so they'd be paying themselves for no apparent reason. Razz

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines.

You don't think India wanted to be independent before the British showed up?

What a strange question. I suppose you think the Brits should pay India for anything that happened before the Brits showed up.

Honestly the more you post the more i do Support the IRA,(as said never gave a shit before) English people are obviously still just as evil to the very core of the self-centred racist hearts as they were during the height of colonial oppression.

Whinging pathetic thieves. that can't make shit of themselves now they have to actually work. Nothing But Downhill since they haven't been able to oppress and enslave others.

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:17 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What a strange question. I suppose you think the Brits should pay India for anything that happened before the Brits showed up.

Honestly the more you post the more i do Support the IRA,(as said never gave a shit before) English people are obviously still just as evil to the very core of the self-centred racist hearts as they were during the height of colonial oppression.

Whinging pathetic thieves. that can't make shit of themselves now they have to actually work. Nothing But Downhill since they haven't been able to oppress and enslave others.

I know you support the IRA - something you denied for ages, even though you're too thick to realise that it was obvious.

Your envy is making you ill - go to the doctor. Cool

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You do know that Scotland, Wales, and NI are in the UK don't you. Therefore, you are telling Brits to pay themselves in reparation. What a plonker you are. India wanted to be independent, so they can look after themselves.

I already know that you don't care that terrorist scum killed English people. You've made it very clear that you support the IRA, which makes you terrorist scum as well. Why you think that I should give a shit about your guilt trips and envy of the English is a mystery. You should feel guilty of course as you invaded Australia and mistreated the Aborigines.

You Know Aboriginals Are Australian And Pay themselves reparations You dumb ass that is Exactly how it works your just to racsit a dumb to see it.

I see you had a sudden change of mind - the "we" in your post now includes the people you're paying, so they're paying themselves. That's pretty dumb, even for an Aussie.

How thick are you? All that boasting about how much money you earn, and you can't even understand simple logic. You said that the UK should pay everyone in Scotland and Wales. They are in the UK you dumb moron, so they'd be paying themselves for no apparent reason.

All Australian Taxpayer (which includes Aboriginals that earn money) pay towards reparation. they ARE in Australia you dumb moron so they are paying themselves for the Very Obvious Reason that Reparation is the only moral course of action to try and right the wrongs of the British empire.

Again that is the way NON-Racist understands it works not surprised that an Ultra Racist Brit Doesn't comprehend how it works and believes there must be hard racial divides because literally there racist brain cannot Stop thinking like a hate filled racist ultra nationalist for even 2 seconds

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:17 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I see you had a sudden change of mind - the "we" in your post now includes the people you're paying, so they're paying themselves. That's pretty dumb, even for an Aussie.

How thick are you? All that boasting about how much money you earn, and you can't even understand simple logic. You said that the UK should pay everyone in Scotland and Wales. They are in the UK you dumb moron, so they'd be paying themselves for no apparent reason.
All Australian Taxpayer (which includes Aboriginals that earn money) pay towards reparation. they ARE in Australia you dumb moron so they are paying themselves for the Very Obvious Reason that Reparation is the only moral course of action to try and right the wrongs of the British empire.

Again that is the way NON-Racist understands it works not surprised that an Ultra Racist Brit Doesn't comprehend how it works and believes there must be hard racial divides because literally there racist brain cannot Stop thinking like a hate filled racist ultra nationalist for even 2 seconds

So they're paying taxes so they can pay themselves for what the Aussies who are not Aborigines did to them. Your lack of logic knows no bounds. Laughing

Of course I don't think that the Scots or the Welsh should be "compensated" by the UK because they're part of the UK and they're not victims. You might enjoy a bit of self-flagellation, but that's down to your mental health issues.

All your ranting about racists has no effect on me Veya. As a terrorist-supporting, racist, anti-English scumbag, you're the lowest of the low, and you know it. Wink

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:45 pm

they're paying taxes so they can pay themselves for what the Aussies who are not Aborigines did to them

YES DUMB ASS Because we are ALL AUSTRALIAN NOW.

Are you really so thick you not understand that EVERYONE Australian Citizen which Aboriginals OBVIOSULY are pays taxes. and some of those taxes are given as reparation payments to Aboriginal people.

SO YES that is the way is works Plus MOST people in Australia Came here AFTER WW2 from nations other that the UK as refugees or seeking a better life.
If the UK had more than the Very low rate of immigration it currently has it would understand changing demographic citizenship don't change the past. All Citizens new, old or pre-invasion pay towards our communal responsibilities.

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:46 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
they're paying taxes so they can pay themselves for what the Aussies who are not Aborigines did to them

YES DUMB ASS Because we are ALL AUSTRALIAN NOW.

Are you really so thick you not understand that EVERYONE Australian Citizen which Aboriginals OBVIOSULY are pays taxes. and some of those taxes are given as reparation payments to Aboriginal people.

SO YES that is the way is works Plus MOST people in Australia Came here AFTER WW2 from nations other that the UK as refugees or seeking a better life.
If the UK had more than the Very low rate of immigration it currently has it would understand changing demographic citizenship don't change the past. All Citizens new, old or pre-invasion pay towards our communal responsibilities.

Why are you paying Australians compensation for being Australian? Are all Aussies as thick as you? Surely not. lol!

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:48 pm

So Scots and Welsh should pay the same amount of tax as the English (only someone truly racist would think it would be appropriate to tax a different rates depending on race) but should get a significantly larger portion spent on them as reparation for the long running crimes of the English against everyone.

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:51 pm

veya_victaous wrote:So Scots and Welsh should pay the same amount of tax as the English (only someone truly racist would think it would be appropriate to tax a different rates depending on race) but should get a significantly larger portion spent on them as reparation for the long running crimes of the English against everyone.

No they shouldn't. Only a racist would say such a thing - ie, you. Basketball

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:53 pm

I cant Believe how racist you are
So now people have to choose? you can only be one thing is that right Raggs??
You racist twat.

Do you think that having Aboriginal blood and thus being entitle to the reparation payments makes you lose you citizenship or something? that they have to move out to the bush and live in caves again?
They Are Aboriginals (although most would refer to a more specific tribe like Koori, Toongal etc.) that has no effect on their other status as Australians.

by veya_victaous Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:So Scots and Welsh should pay the same amount of tax as the English (only someone truly racist would think it would be appropriate to tax a different rates depending on race) but should get a significantly larger portion spent on them as reparation for the long running crimes of the English against everyone.

No they shouldn't. Only a racist would say such a thing - ie, you.

Yes they should it's called FAIR
Compensation for the CRIMES that your family has profited from for Centuries THEIF !!!

by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:57 pm

veya_victaous wrote:I cant Believe how racist you are
So now people have to choose? you can only be one thing is that right Raggs??
You racist twat.

Do you think that having Aboriginal blood and thus being entitle to the reparation payments makes you lose you citizenship or something? that they have to move out to the bush and live in caves again?
They Are Aboriginals (although most would refer to a more specific tribe like Koori, Toongal etc.) that has no effect on their other status as Australians.

You just said they're all Australians. Make up your mind, and stop being so racist against the English. It's not their fault you're a bitter little man. Claudia Rankine: ‘Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people’ - Page 2 202592697

Claudia Rankine: ‘Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people’ - Page 2 202592697

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:00 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No they shouldn't. Only a racist would say such a thing - ie, you.

Yes they should it's called FAIR
Compensation for the CRIMES that your family has profited from for Centuries THEIF !!!

"i" before "e", you ignorant little man. Laughing

Of course they shouldn't profit just for being Scottish or Welsh - that's just racist.

You clearly hate paying for your own crimes - you should write a letter to your Government to complain. Claudia Rankine: ‘Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people’ - Page 2 3489511464

Claudia Rankine: ‘Blackness in the white imagination has nothing to do with black people’ - Page 2 3489511464

by veya_victaous Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:13 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:I cant Believe how racist you are
So now people have to choose? you can only be one thing is that right Raggs??
You racist twat.

Do you think that having Aboriginal blood and thus being entitle to the reparation payments makes you lose you citizenship or something? that they have to move out to the bush and live in caves again?
They Are Aboriginals (although most would refer to a more specific tribe like Koori, Toongal etc.) that has no effect on their other status as Australians.

You just said they're all Australians. Make up your mind, and stop being so racist against the English. It's not their fault you're a bitter little man.

so you really Dont get it?? confused

Did you just prove ALL my points 100% correct

you think they cant be Australian and Aboriginal?

RAGGS that is RACIST!!! super racist, neo nazi Ultra nationailst sort of racsim expressed right there.
I don't care how many of your fellow neo nazi think in that ultra racsit fashion you are Wrong very wrong.

by veya_victaous Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:20 am

And I vote to pay them more to make up for the crimes commited agaisnt some of my fellow Australians by some other fellow Australians all in the name and for the profit of the British Emipire.

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:25 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You just said they're all Australians. Make up your mind, and stop being so racist against the English. It's not their fault you're a bitter little man.

so you really Dont get it??

Did you just prove ALL my points 100% correct

you think they cant be Australian and Aboriginal?

RAGGS that is RACIST!!! super racist, neo nazi Ultra nationailst sort of racsim expressed right there.
I don't care how many of your fellow neo nazi think in that ultra racsit fashion you are Wrong very wrong.

Oooooooh, was it a "microaggression"?

Yay! cheers

You said you support the legitimate killing of oppressors. Maybe the Aborigines should just kill you and then take all your money for the crimes you committed against them - all your benefit money that is. lol!

by Raggamuffin Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:28 am

It's very amusing how you used to blame the "Brits" or the UK for all kinds of things Veya, and now you've suddenly decided that the Scots and the Welsh aren't Brits at all and that they're "victims" of the Brits. It's disgusting how you're trying to create ethnic divisions between British people - you racist twat. Cool

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