Taking the meaning of racism too far.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


First of post reported for abuse

Second, you do not have anywhere near enough intelligence to classify people medically, showing what an incompetent child that you are

Them we have the same lame claims made that two Americans supposedly do not know what they are talking bout and myself also based on  a false accusation not backed up by anything.

Conclusion:

You got weighed, you got measured and you completely got left found wanting

Now i suggest you learn to sort out your potty mouth

Then once you have done that, learn to acknowledge when wrong.

Then after that, actually grow up

Good luck

I don't give a stuff what you report. I've had enough of your revolting personality and arrogant manner. I have no further interest in discussing anything with you. You're retarded, completely ignorant, bigoted, and pathetic. You lie all the time too.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Oh yeah, I must remember to revise my book of racist hand signals. Lol!

For America, I would suggest you first visit and then get to know those who suffer discrimination

Itwill greatly help your complete lack of understanding  here Zack

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

So now girls are supposed to use only non-black face masks just in case it offends someone?

What history is there of face veils based on racism against Africans, where they wear these to demonize black people

So poor the above, its should not even rendered a response it was that crap

Do you understand the issue based around countless years of racial discrimination?

What is surprising is how bad your reply was, is how it was not even comparable, again

It may help before you write that you learn some history mate

Ta

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

So now girls are supposed to use only non-black face masks just in case it offends someone?

Only white girls. Black girls can use black face packs. Perhaps black girls shouldn't use white face packs though - just in case someone thinks they're being racist.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


For America, I would suggest you first visit and then get to know those who suffer discrimination

Itwill greatly help your complete lack of understanding  here Zack

I go to the US quite often and have plenty of family there.

And it's not like I'm immune to racism.

So your concern is actually quite patronising.

Let's not pretend that you know what it's like to be an African American. Lol!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


What history is there of face veils based on racism against Africans, where they wear these to demonize black people

So poor the above, its should not even rendered a response it was that crap

Do you understand the issue based around countless years of racial discrimination?

What is surprising is how bad your reply was, is how it was not even comparable, again

It may help before you write that you learn some history mate

Ta

What intent people have "now" has nothing to do with history.

You've admitted that there was no racial intent in this case. Which is why you have no response to my post.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Only white girls. Black girls can use black face packs. Perhaps black girls shouldn't use white face packs though - just in case someone thinks they're being racist.

Exactly.

Didge is turning this into racism to get on his sanctimonious high horse.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Only white girls. Black girls can use black face packs. Perhaps black girls shouldn't use white face packs though - just in case someone thinks they're being racist.

Exactly.

Didge is turning this into racism to get on his sanctimonious high horse.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

What intent people have "now" has nothing to do with history.

You've admitted that there was no racial intent in this case. Which is why you have no response to my post.

Incorrect again

Its because of a deep long rooted history of racially discrimination, as to why the problem still exists
All I have done is excepted their explanation they di not do this deliberately
Again that is not the point, of which is that it can easily be viewed based off history to racially offend

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Incorrect again

Its because of a deep long rooted history of racially discrimination, as to why the problem still exists
All I have done is excepted their explanation they di not do this deliberately
Again that is not the point, of which is that it can easily be viewed based off history to racially offend

I don't mind having a discussion about racism in America or how "black lives" don't seem to matter to the previledged whites and its historical context.

But this thread wasn't about that. It's whether 2 white girls were being racist by wearing a black face mask. You are conflating this with racism in a historical context.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I don't mind having a discussion about racism in America or how "black lives" don't seem to matter to the previledged whites and its historical context.

But this thread wasn't about that. It's whether 2 white girls were being racist by wearing a black face mask. You are conflating this with racism in a historical context.

Two boys.
Again the above shows again why you fail to understand how it can easily be viewed as racist

You then make the absurd notion I am conflating the issue based on no reasoning

The question you need to ask yourself is two fold.

In the US could such a stunt be viewed upsetting to black African Americans?

The answer will be Yes

You do not decide the parameters of the debate either

This thread was about how in fact they were utterly nalive, as it could be easily viewed as being racist.

Again not being born black renders you unable to not only answer the above question and never lay claim that its conflating

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Two boys.
Again the above shows again why you fail to understand how it can easily be viewed as racist

You then make the absurd notion I am conflating the issue based on no reasoning

The question you need to ask yourself is two fold.

In the US could such a stunt be viewed upsetting to black African Americans?

The answer will be Yes

You do not decide the parameters of the debate either

This thread was about how in fact they were utterly nalive, as it could be easily viewed as being racist.

Again not being born black renders you unable to not only answer the above question and never lay claim that its conflating

The parameters of the thread are decided by the creator. You are going way off track and diverting it.



Yes, I'm not black. Nor are you.

"Some" may have been offended but their sense of being offended was clearly misplaced in this case. Your attempt to speak on behalf of ALL African Americans is utterly hilarious as it is pathetic. You're not even basing this on any testimony of an African American and just speak on their behalf. Which is in itself, prejudice and racist.

Raggamuffin wrote:I'll wait until someone who knows how to conduct themselves properly posts in this thread - if anyone else is still interested of course.

Didge wrote:


http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/ku-klux-klan-hand-sign.html?referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/#.Vslpqn2LSt8

Didge wrote:I see Beekeeper is now trolling this thread with the intent to stir and derail. Who then further exposes himself as bee by going off wolfman, which nobody mentioned.

That as a huge clanger Bee.

So my points on that thread have you so rendered over excited and  even worse sucking up to people for support, proving further you cannot then back up or counter the points I made on that thread

Didge wrote:I can follow links
I can also lay and have suspicions based on your writing methods
Sorry but until I am convinced otherwise I will certainly see ore point your way to be Bee. However if I am wrong, then I apologise, but the jury is still out.
Plus you understand very similar things to be biology wise etc, love of animals. From my point view it again points that way
So I had notseen Rags say this. Maybe because you ranted twice on the thread not taking on my views but talking about me

Hey ho, if I interest you that much, enjoy

aspca4ever wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I'll wait until someone who knows how to conduct themselves properly posts in this thread - if anyone else is still interested of course.

I was almost - ALMOST going to apologize for trolling into this entire diatribe; but then when I found this mental dribble in another thread {that YOU hadn't bothered to respond to the subject discussion} but just stopped by to lay a real asinine drool directed at me!!!

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t14195-a-shocking-number-of-kids-are-fighting-and-dying-for-isis

And I'm not a reptile - I've never been on this community EVER BEFORE my membership date - and I've no idea who 'wolfman' is or was!  Yet, you've attacked me - my avatar in a really ass-swipe manner and accused me of being a 'sock-puppet'!  While I might disagree with Didge and his discussion methods he's shown more mature posting skills and general aptitude for decorum then you have Raggamuffin!!!  

And your ugly vile words and verbal abuse right here on this thread proves my opinion and my point!  Who the hell do you think you are? Never mind - it's a rhetorical question and your posting style proves your vile contributions have zero worth!    Just repaying your compliment...  

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:I think racism is bigger issue and problem in the US than in the UK - hence why we all see things differently on here.

I mean a black face mask???? Come on!

Here ya go:



I guess we should pretend that doesn't exist.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Well we have a lot more history than you do...maybe we just get on with life as it is now and don't persecute the people of today for the atrocities of the past.

Nobody has any different history than anyone else.  Mine is American history, and before that Scottish history, and then before that Celtic history, etc., etc., etc.  It goes back forever as does yours.  You are confusing geographic borders with chronological discontinuity, looking for breaks where there are none.

I find interesting your distinction between being the being the black person and standing outside, seeing the situation of the black person.  It reminds me of the distinction that anthropologists make between structuralism and functionalism.  The structuralist stands outside the culture he is studying, and with detached objectivity records what he sees; but it is argued he can develop no 'feel' for what it's like to be inside the culture.  The functionalist lives within the culture and becomes intimate with every detail of it, but he loses the detached objectivity of being an independent observer.  Levi-Strauss, Structural Anthropology, 2 vols. (1958, 1976).

The problem with arguing the pure functionalist method, is you are locked inside the culture, unable to objectively describe it, or even understand it--least of all, to describe it to other cultures.  I think as a white American I can get close enough to black culture, without being swept into it, it's myths, values and perspectives.  And yes, I do feel with blacks, but not so much that I cannot engage my highly white, Scottish/Massachusetts objectivity, and deal with it that way.

It's a matter of exposure, not clear lines--well, history--that describes life.  The British don't have that closeness to the functional reality of post-slavery, black culture.  They've not been raised by a black nanny, or built a fence with an old black man.  They have not driven down a Louisiana highway and seen the blacks have to drive 5-mph under the speed limits, for fear of being pulled over and beaten by the white cop.  They have no feeling for--as didge puts it--the history of it all.

Consequently, the Brits rather cavalierly say, What's the problem?  White equals black...so of course there can be white racism!   For them, that life is all clear lines.  But where's the nanny?  Where's the white cop?  Where's the beating?  The Brits have not experienced the...well, the history of it all.

Lord Foul wrote:what I want to know is ....given  that ridiculous list of "micro aggressions"


what in fact could Mr white gut actually say and converse with mr "not white guy"?

you cant ask him where hes from
you cant ask him to give you a hand with your work
in fact you cant ask or speak to him much about anything it seems


and YET if you were to NOT talk to him...you would ALSO be wrong


pure idiocy ....

Syl wrote:

Stormee wrote:I cannot remember much UK racism until the sob sisters/pc brigade came on the scene

Well that was Quills point earlier on, but I disagree.
I think there has been racism here (and still is) not to the extent as in the USA, and not specifically  to Black people, but Asians especially are definitely still discriminated against.....and in turn they discriminate against not only Whites but people who are from a different background, creed, culture to themselves.

The worst racist incidents I have personally  seen have been between Pakistanis and Indians in my area.

aspca4ever wrote:

Didge wrote:I can follow links
I can also lay and have suspicions based on your writing methods
Sorry but until I am convinced otherwise I will certainly see ore point your way to be Bee. However if I am wrong, then I apologise, but the jury is still out.
Plus you understand very similar things to be biology wise etc, love of animals. From my point view it again points that way
So I had notseen Rags say this. Maybe because you ranted twice on the thread not taking on my views but talking about me

Hey ho, if I interest you that much, enjoy

How grammar school like is that; in this entire WWW you've managed to clamp onto something that 'reminds you of my writing methods' and you haven't even bothered to get to KNOW ME - ASK ME - you just ASSume!  ROTFLMAO

Sweet Jesus, you are just one pile of convoluted-messed up-suspicious-paranoid human; it's no wonder that you've got so deeply seated anger issues as well as a heavy dose of anti-social skills that keep you in ATTACK MODE 24/7!  

Raggamuffin wrote:I just can't get my head round this "white privilege" shit either.

I mean - at what point are white people in the US told that they're privileged because they're white? When they're little kids? How are they told this? Do their parents say to them - you have to remember that you were lucky to be born white and that it makes you privileged?

I think it's pathetic. 

raggsgalore spewed >>> Don't get your fangs in a twist asp. You're rude and obnoxious enough to be wolfman, but I don't really care. Wink

You seem to have trouble posting in the appropriate thread, but now that you're in this one, perhaps you could explain your histrionics re the word "specsaver". Is it some kind of "microaggression"?  

Spec & Span - Mexicans that clean for a living
Spec - baby or young illegal wet-back
Spic(s) - older illegal wet-back
Spicaninny - Mexicans Young Mexican girls. Combination form of Spic and Picaninny.
Spicet Fence- Mexicans 10 mexicans lined up side by side at the border.
http://www.rsdb.org/race/Mexicans

aspca4ever wrote:

raggsgalore spewed >>> Don't get your fangs in a twist asp. You're rude and obnoxious enough to be wolfman, but I don't really care. Wink

You seem to have trouble posting in the appropriate thread, but now that you're in this one, perhaps you could explain your histrionics re the word "specsaver". Is it some kind of "microaggression"?  

What an absolute load of utter BS; if you didn't care then you wouldn't be 'TROLLING' around the community just looking for any opportunity to lay your utter vile verbiage around any thread that I've posted in!!!  LIAR - LYING - AND BEING VILE = what you excel at  

BTW - the 'SPECSAVER' is a official TRADEMARK {I've been told} and unfortunately the member that used it isn't aware that it needed to be noted as such!  Ignorance often leads to ugly reactions and WTF that had to do with my avatar and on a nice 'Welcome ASPCA4EVER' thread is still a fecal matter for the admin to resolve~~~it's none of my affair either way but you seem to have gotten a huge BUG UP YOUR BUTT about the entire issue  

Now for your lack of education and a NEED TO KNOW; never let it be said that I allowed your ignorance to remain firmly intact when & if I could school you in your stupidity>>>
Spec & Span - Mexicans that clean for a living
Spec - baby or young illegal wet-back
Spic(s) - older illegal wet-back
Spicaninny - Mexicans Young Mexican girls. Combination form of Spic and Picaninny.
Spicet Fence- Mexicans 10 mexicans lined up side by side at the border.
http://www.rsdb.org/race/Mexicans
**************************
My nieces & nephews have heard them all and from people with your ability to drop such foul/hurtful words...just because you can!!!
Now your ability to drop your asinine verbal attacks has more ammunition to use at your every WHIM!

Raggamuffin wrote:PS. You're not Lucian are you?

veya_victaous wrote:@ASPCA
wolfman/beekeeper is an inactive member.
As he is an Aussie and i dont think you are, i have no idea why they are suggesting you are him.

besides your name would be RSPCA for the shelters down here

aspca4ever wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@ASPCA
wolfman/beekeeper is an inactive member.
As he is an Aussie and i dont think you are, i have no idea why they are suggesting you are him.

besides your name would be RSPCA for the shelters down here

TY...for the attempt to clarify and for those unable to read/comprehend, it will just be ignored as usual.  Unfortunately the Admin assistant/moderator that started this entire ignorant issue should be given a 'come to Jesus/teachable moment' and shown this --- then perhaps his/her hyena pack will BACK THE HELL OFF!

Or not and just continue to TROLL the community suspecting everyone of being a SOCK - PUPPET, because they have nothing of value to discuss!
IP's are such an easy traceable form of authenticating members; perhaps the owners need to clarify what the other admin/mod just can't grasp!  

HoratioTarr wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:what I want to know is ....given  that ridiculous list of "micro aggressions"
what in fact could Mr white gut actually say and converse with mr "not white guy"?
you cant ask him where hes from
you cant ask him to give you a hand with your work
in fact you cant ask or speak to him much about anything it seems
and YET if you were to NOT talk to him...you would ALSO be wrong
pure idiocy ....

I've asked many people about their ethnic origins and never once have any of them been offended.  In the contrary, they've been proud to relate their origins and discuss it in depth.

aspca4ever wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I've asked many people about their ethnic origins and never once have any of them been offended.  In the contrary, they've been proud to relate their origins and discuss it in depth.

To true that...Horatio; but isn't it the way that we make our inquisitive questions/approach the subject matter about our DNA linage that will garner an adult conversation instead of a antagonistic rejoinder!  
Wording and intent {physical appearance/body language} given off when broaching the subject matter. For example - 'say, are you from such-in-such-a-place'...'you remind me of'...often brings the verbal exchange into a friendly discussion of ancestral linage instead of the opposite approach as: 'you must be' or 'from your color/skin pigment, you must be from' or 'you sound like you're from the southern states' --- which here in America will often be a 'that's when the fight started'; the assumption is a general - 'anyone from the south aren't too bright' and that's why they speak in THAT WAY!

Certainly doesn't make it correct or factual but that's the reason why so many humans just make those asinine ASSUMPTIONS {this community is filled with a few} and the object isn't to learn about someone - it's more the 'I'm out to nail your sorry arse to the forum wall and attack you rather then learn about you as a person'!!!:suspect:

   

Raggamuffin wrote:The enormous fuss about this is completely absurd.

There are comments about lessons being learned, and that these two girls need an "educational course". The onus seems to be on them to express remorse and "educate" themselves about the dangers of putting black face masks on. Why should they express remorse?

Maybe the ones who need educating are the ones who are sticking their beaks in and telling people they shouldn't put black face packs on and take photos of themselves. Of course they have a black student union where the members think a lesson should be learned. Well yes, the lesson is that they should stop being so paranoid about face packs which happen to be black.

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/uw-whitewater-students-say-blackface-photo-was-really-facial-treatment

Raggamuffin wrote:If white/black/Asian/Hispanic people in the US want to get hysterical about this kind of thing, it's up to them I guess. If white Americans want to keep on apologising for what someone else did before they were even born, it's up to them. It sounds to me almost like white Americans are being asked to apologise for being born white, but hey ...

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:If white/black/Asian/Hispanic people in the US want to get hysterical about this kind of thing, it's up to them I guess. If white Americans want to keep on apologising for what someone else did before they were even born, it's up to them. It sounds to me almost like white Americans are being asked to apologise for being born white, but hey ...

You totally miss the point.  No one is apologizing, nor is this a blame game.  The issue is remedial action.

Today there exists present effects of prior discrimination.  Those need to be addressed.  That is what is at issue.  

Fussing with blame and/or apologies is a waste of time.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

Stormee wrote:I cannot remember much UK racism until the sob sisters/pc brigade came on the scene

Well that was Quills point earlier on, but I disagree.
I think there has been racism here (and still is) not to the extent as in the USA, and not specifically  to Black people, but Asians especially are definitely still discriminated against.....and in turn they discriminate against not only Whites but people who are from a different background, creed, culture to themselves.

The worst racist incidents I have personally  seen have been between Pakistanis and Indians in my area.

I've got West Indian friends and they hate Asians.  They call them paki's and consider them dirty.  White people don't have a monopoly on racism.

Raggamuffin wrote:I just can't get my head round this "white privilege" shit either.

I mean - at what point are white people in the US told that they're privileged because they're white? When they're little kids? How are they told this? Do their parents say to them - you have to remember that you were lucky to be born white and that it makes you privileged?

I think it's pathetic.