Muslim Kicked Off Bus

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For Looking Shifty.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6793971/National-Express-race-row-passenger-Driver-asked-me-to-get-off-because-Im-a-Muslim-and-I-felt-humiliated.html

Better be safe than sorry.

@Vic
mine was aimed at Stormee

I want to direct this at him but I suspect he wont get it

and of course here we go again

yes I would agree with innocent untill proven and all that...

however when the penalty for getting it wrong is 50 possible deaths i wonder

what ever happened to the "precautionary principle"?

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators

veya_victaous wrote:@Vic
mine was aimed at Stormee

I want to direct this at him but I suspect he wont get it

now that, I will grant you is funny....

Lord Foul wrote:and of course here we go again

yes I would agree with innocent untill proven and all that...

however when the penalty for getting it wrong is 50 possible deaths  i wonder

what ever happened to the "precautionary principle"?

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators

Yeah But How Many have been blown up? Fuck All, that's right so FEAR without Substance is Cowardice.

And Do you not understand that IF your society wants to Act like that then it deserves to be blown up. Just like, Hey act like ISIS and we send robots to drop bombs on you.

And every single point you just made IS REAL for Muslims they are being blown up by Western bombs on a regular basis, NOT REAL for British people SO if you have the right to Act like ---- because you are scared, So Do they. And theirs is a fear Justified by a death toll in the 100,000s, what is the Justification for the British fear?

thus Stop Whinging when you get what you deserve under the Same Standards by which you would treat others. if it good for the goose it is good for the gander. Why is Acceptable for Anglo Cowardice to cause 'wrong/immoral' actions? by Justifying the action of the British people on the Bus You justify the actions any Muslim might take against the west as their fear is at least as justified.

And so it begins......

What's next? Numbers tattooed on arms?

Cass wrote:And so it begins......

What's next? Numbers tattooed on arms?

Hi Me Lady

You have to understand the view of the British is going to be very much different to the US as you well know as for decades the British suffered many more terrorist attacks than the US per population and from mainly one source of people. The IRA Where as in the US, they are far more used to religious terrorism, through Christian extremism than people are in the UK. I agree its wrong to label and discrminate and if you saw I said people are more likely and wrongly to view innocent Muslims because of a sterotype of what a jihadi looks like, than the real terrorist who will certainly try to blend in. Again it is wrong to discrminate, but what is really driving fear into people is the enormous amount of Islamic terrorist terrorist attacks world wide that is really driving paranoia and fear. Not only that you have many of these extremist groups that very much care nothing for their sanctity of life and place more emphasis on their supposed afterlife than they do of the human life. This is difficult for many people to take in, as like with the recent attack, many fail to grasp how and why releatively young parants would willingly throw their lives away to a ridiculous absurd fanatical cause.

So its of no surprise espcially in the Uk where they are way used to more bombing terrorist attacks, and in a country where guns are not freely accessable, that people are going to be that more fearful, as they have little or nothing to protect them from an attack. I am no fan of the gun control in the US, but at least there many have guns to actually defend themselves from any such terrorist attack. Its the vunerability and the barbarity of the terrorist attacks that is driving the fear in many people and to turn a blind eye to the fear of many have, is not going to help the situation either.

Like I said the governements have to unify the people espcially with many of the Muslims, to stop the rise of fear and prejudice, but this is a problem, as we certainly do have an element more so in Europe than you do in the US, where there is a substancial support of the Islamic extremism. Many Muslims have to play their part and stop constantly polaying off a poor narative that claims the west is out to destroy Islam. It is this more than anything that makes it no small step for some to be lured into extremism, as they fundementally believe the west is out to destroy Islam, when we know that is completely untrue, Even more so of Islamism itself which is very much at odds with western values and its way of life. So like I say the vunerability and the fact people know there are those within our society who have no want to be a part of our society that is fueling this fear and paranoia. So you do not tackle that by making such statements above, as it further divides people as you are making them comparable to the Nazi methods. We have to understand the fears and how best to tackle them than also labellng people.

I hope you see my point

P.S Hope you are felling better

Typical British excuse For British Cowardice and Hypocrisy. As THEY ARE NAZI METHODS not just comparable!!! SO YES they should be treated With as Much Disgust as Nazis

first Step to showing that the west is Not out to Attack Islam is to Punish Everyone on that bus. No Muslim or any other group has any reason to believe anything Britain Says While it allows such Hypocrisy.

Those PEOPLE are disgusting Racists, There is NO JUSTIFICATION for Subverting Secular laws to enable Religious Persecution

veya_victaous wrote:Typical British excuse For British Cowardice and Hypocrisy. As THEY ARE NAZI METHODS not just comparable!!! SO YES they should be treated With as Much Disgust as Nazis

first Step to showing that the west is Not out to Attack Islam is to Punish Everyone on that bus. No Muslim or any other group has any reason to believe anything Britain Says While it allows such Hypocrisy.

Those PEOPLE are disgusting Racists, There is NO JUSTIFICATION for Subverting Secular laws to enable Religious Persecution

Not even worth bother with a reply when you act so immature.

I will give you one more chance to actually digest what I said, as you clearly did not read anything what I said or how I am against such discrmination. You do not further divide people with further hate, that is at best idiotic and solves nothing as hate only breeds further hate. Like I say you have to calm the fears of people,and help unify people, not ensure you further create more hate and divide further people. You ensure a rise of far right votes as is being seen at France at present.

Then I expect an apology. You were also very racist to label people in the British, because as seen this is only a proportion and yet you label as if all.
We do not need advice from regressive lefties, as stated they are the problem that ends up fueling the hate anyway, because they fail to understand anything or why people have genuine concerns. Instead as you di above you ranted and were utterly rude and hateful.


I will await for Me lady who is intelligent and will understand my point as she knows I am not even having a go at her.

So do not even bother to expect a reply Veya if you are going to be as hateful of the people you claim are hateful, because that is not only immature, self defeating, but fuels the growing problem and the last person on this many would take advice from, is someone like yourself who has never experinced any level of terrorism as the people of the US and Britain has done so. You are a nation that has hardly suffered from such violence and thus have no idea or view to how people will feel

You gave An Invalid Justification that no honest person could accept
By YOUR own Logic You justify Terrorist actions because they are motivated by Fear too. they have Greater reason to fear death from the west than a western has reason to fear death from a Muslim.
  Typical British Which is Cowardice and Hypocrisy, it is not Racist, it is true I never said ALL But everyone that thinks like you or victor And you are some of the less Cowardly Hypocrites to post here from Britain.
You Use And Excuse like the IRA, if that is justification than so is the invasion of Iraq. The Level of Hypocrisy out of the UK is Just ridiculous.


Please point out a single Part of your Excuse that you think is Actually justifies Throwing away western secular values.


Do NOT ever allow Fundamentalists to believe their fear is Valid WHEN it is not.
 Except I grew Up Among Refugees From WESTERN terrorism. IRA did fucking NOTHING compare to What we did to the Vietnamese.

NO A Single part of your post justifies the action that British people have taken and Appear to be supported By British People. IF there was A Single GOOD person on that bus with any balls they woudl have stood up for what is right and told the cowards to STFU.

Is Ok for Me to Kick Jews off the Bus!!!! Answer that!!! IF you cant then Don't bother posting another hypocritical excuse


Didge YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
Literally People like you are the problem.
People With your attitude are the ones joining ISIS
You even Make Atheism Stupid with your Hypocrisy.

IF you are so immature that you can ONLY see things from your perspective SHUT UP
You do Not offer Any wisdom you just make westerners look like hypocritical Fuckwits.

I am Disgusted that ones on my own side are so Fucking Cowardly You literally make me sick to the stomach with you shitty attempt to justify this disgusting behavior And the ONLY reason you even try to justify what is UNJUSTIFIABLE under secularism is because they are British. YOU are the RACIST.

Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Cass wrote:And so it begins......

What's next? Numbers tattooed on arms?

Hi Me Lady

You have to understand the view of the British is going to be very much different to the US as you well know as for decades the British suffered many more terrorist attacks than the US per population and from mainly one source of people. The IRA Where as in the US, they are far more used to religious terrorism, through Christian extremism than people are in the UK. I agree its wrong to label and discrminate and if you saw I said people are more likely and wrongly to view innocent Muslims because of a sterotype of what a jihadi looks like, than the real terrorist who will certainly try to blend in. Again it is wrong to discrminate, but what is really driving fear into people is the enormous amount of Islamic terrorist terrorist attacks world wide that is really driving paranoia and fear. Not only that you have many of these extremist groups that very much care nothing for their sanctity of life and place more emphasis on their supposed afterlife than they do of the human life. This is difficult for many people to take in, as like with the recent attack, many fail to grasp how and why releatively young parants would willingly throw their lives away to a ridiculous absurd fanatical cause.

So its of no surprise espcially in the Uk where they are way used to more bombing terrorist attacks, and in a country where guns are not freely accessable, that people are going to be that more fearful, as they have little or nothing to protect them from an attack. I am no fan of the gun control in the US, but at least there many have guns to actually defend themselves from any such terrorist attack. Its the vunerability and the barbarity of the terrorist attacks that is driving the fear in many people and to turn a blind eye to the fear of many have, is not going to help the situation either.

Like I said the governements have to unify the people espcially with many of the Muslims, to stop the rise of fear and prejudice, but this is a problem, as we certainly do have an element more so in Europe than you do in the US, where there is a substancial support of the Islamic extremism. Many Muslims have to play their part and stop constantly polaying off a poor narative that claims the west is out to destroy Islam. It is this more than anything that makes it no small step for some to be lured into extremism, as they fundementally believe the west is out to destroy Islam, when we know that is completely untrue, Even more so of Islamism itself which is very much at odds with western values and its way of life. So like I say the vunerability and the fact people know there are those within our society who have no want to be a part of our society that is fueling this fear and paranoia. So you do not tackle that by making such statements above, as it further divides people as you are making them comparable to the Nazi methods. We have to understand the fears and how best to tackle them than also labellng people.

I hope you see my point

P.S Hope you are felling better

Bumped up for Me Lady, as I am not going to bother anymore with those who just rant and spout gibberish, invent things I never have said and are racist. Sorry Casss for the interuption but this is the new me that just will now ignore those who do not debate.

Look forward to your reply

Cass wrote:And so it begins......

What's next? Numbers tattooed on arms?

Spot on Cass.  What do Daesh want?  Exactly what people like this are doing.   Hitler could not have done a better job.

People are not taking into account human nature. It's not a matter of statistics or probability.

When an IRA bomb exploded prematurely on a bus in London, the Irish bomber was killed, but another Irish chap on the bus was also suspected of being involved. He wasn't, but does anyone think it was "wrong" to suspect him?

After 7/7, people were wary of Asian men on the underground with rucksacks - because that's the kind of person who was involved. Don't forget that another gang attempted a similar attack two weeks later with the same MO. If an Asian Muslim bloke got on an underground train shortly after that with a rucksack, would he not expect to get some funny looks at least?

veya_victaous wrote:Typical British excuse For British Cowardice and Hypocrisy. As THEY ARE NAZI METHODS not just comparable!!! SO YES they should be treated With as Much Disgust as Nazis

first Step to showing that the west is Not out to Attack Islam is to Punish Everyone on that bus. No Muslim or any other group has any reason to believe anything Britain Says While it allows such Hypocrisy.

Those PEOPLE are disgusting Racists, There is NO JUSTIFICATION for Subverting Secular laws to enable Religious Persecution

You want to punish people for being afraid? What a bully you are.

I see you're ranting about Brits again, particular English people. I wonder when you're going to pulled up for your blatant racist rants. Never, I suspect.

veya_victaous wrote:Is Ok for Me to Kick Jews off the Bus!!!! Answer that!!! IF you cant then Don't bother posting another hypocritical excuse


Didge YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
Literally People like you are the problem.
People With your attitude are the ones joining ISIS
You even Make Atheism Stupid with your Hypocrisy.

IF you are so immature that you can ONLY see things from your perspective SHUT UP
You do Not offer Any wisdom you just make westerners look like hypocritical Fuckwits.

I am Disgusted that ones on my own side are so Fucking Cowardly You literally make me sick to the stomach with you shitty attempt to justify this disgusting behavior And the ONLY reason you even try to justify what is UNJUSTIFIABLE under secularism is because they are British. YOU are the RACIST.

On your side? I would never be on your side. You're a racist, hate-filled twat.

veya_victaous wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:and of course here we go again

yes I would agree with innocent untill proven and all that...

however when the penalty for getting it wrong is 50 possible deaths  i wonder

what ever happened to the "precautionary principle"?

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators

Yeah But How Many have been blown up? Fuck All, that's right so FEAR without Substance is Cowardice.

And Do you not understand that IF your society wants to Act like that then it deserves to be blown up. Just like, Hey act like ISIS and we send robots to drop bombs on you.

And every single point you just made IS REAL for Muslims they are being blown up by Western bombs on a regular basis, NOT REAL for British people SO if you have the right to Act like ---- because you are scared, So Do they. And theirs is a fear Justified by a death toll in the 100,000s, what is the Justification for the British fear?

thus Stop Whinging when you get what you deserve under the Same Standards by which you would treat others. if it good for the goose it is good for the gander. Why is Acceptable for Anglo Cowardice to cause 'wrong/immoral' actions? by Justifying the action of the British people on the Bus You justify the actions any Muslim might take against the west as their fear is at least as justified.

I hope you get what you deserve one day.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:hmmm...then again......

Innocent until proven guilty isn't  PC, it’s moral. You don't violate human rights just because some people are scared.

I daresay that Farook's co-workers didn't imagine that he would end up shooting them. I bet the families of the dead wish that someone had suspected him.

veya_victaous wrote:You gave An Invalid Justification that no honest person could accept
By YOUR own Logic You justify Terrorist actions because they are motivated by Fear too. they have Greater reason to fear death from the west than a western has reason to fear death from a Muslim.
  Typical British Which is Cowardice and Hypocrisy, it is not Racist, it is true I never said ALL But everyone that thinks like you or victor And you are some of the less Cowardly Hypocrites to post here from Britain.
You Use And Excuse like the IRA, if that is justification than so is the invasion of Iraq. The Level of Hypocrisy out of the UK is Just ridiculous.


Please point out a single Part of your Excuse that you think is Actually justifies Throwing away western secular values.


Do NOT ever allow Fundamentalists to believe their fear is Valid WHEN it is not.
 Except I grew Up Among Refugees From WESTERN terrorism. IRA did fucking NOTHING compare to What we did to the Vietnamese.

NO A Single part of your post justifies the action that British people have taken and Appear to be supported By British People. IF there was A Single GOOD person on that bus with any balls they woudl have stood up for what is right and told the cowards to STFU.

Don't even attempt to play down what the IRA did.

To keep repeating that people are 'racist' does absolutely nowt for anything really, it is a word people use to try to win arguments and get other weak minded pc brigade, anti Brit traitors on their side.

Those traitors who asslick Muslims are far far far far worse, more reviled than any so called racist IMO.

Be honest, whites and darkies of several shades do not mix or want to, look at history.

Is anyone here happy with the Muslim situation on our island?

Do you want them to completely take over?

Those from outside this country who are pro Muslim for here can go away or summut like it.

I keep saying this and I am hoping someone will listen:

Different parts of the country are under different pressures in regards to terror attacks.
Living near London is far more worrying than living up in the countryside in deep Yorkshire.
So all those that sit smug and loftily spout out their rubbish about "paranoia" and "fear" and look down their noses....try living here, where a few stops up is a madman with a machete attacking people on the very tube line you live on, that your son travels on, and a few stops after that is the shopping centre you go to which is a massive "ISIS target" - in their own words!!!

So fuck off to all the little village people in the quiet and untouched parts of the country, who have their little token Muslim post office owner, making them feel all "multicultural".

Try living in London. Watch the shit that kicks off their every single night between Muslim groups and people running scared  - unreported, as it's far too often!!

Can't stand people that think that it's all ok becaeue they're all untouched.
Try opening your narrow little mind

Cass wrote:And so it begins......

What's next? Numbers tattooed on arms?

Nobody is suggesting that Cass. What's being said by some people is that it's understandable that some people are very twitchy about the possibility of an attack, and it's understandable that they're going to view some people with more suspicion than others.

When I lived in London, there was none of this stuff about a threat from Islamic extremists, but there was a threat from the IRA.

Have you ever lived in an area where terrorist activity was going on? They removed bins from many public places so terrorists couldn't plant bombs in them, there were notices everywhere about reporting suspicious packages, and stations were closed down because some idiot had left their bag unattended. We're all told to look out for anything suspicious, so naturally it's on people's minds.

As I said in my post above rags

eddie wrote:I keep saying this and I am hoping someone will listen:

Different parts of the country are under different pressures in regards to terror attacks.
Living near London is far more worrying than living up in the countryside in deep Yorkshire.
So all those that sit smug and loftily spout out their rubbish about "paranoia" and "fear" and look done their noses....try living here, where a few stops up is a madman with a machete attacking people on the very tube lone you live on, and a few stops after that is the shopping centre you go to which is a massive ISIS target - in their own words!!!

So fuck off to all the little village people in the quiet and untouched parts of the country, who have their little token Muslim post office owner, making them feel all "multicultural".

Try living in London. Watch the shit that kicks off their every single night between Muslim groups and people scared  - unreported, as it's too often.

Can't stand people that think that it's all ok becaeue they're all untouched.
Try opening your narrow little mind

Yes, it's different in London. I've reported unattended bags where I live now, and nobody takes much notice because they think it's unlikely to be a bomb. In London, that would have got a whole area shut down.

eddie wrote:As I said in my post above rags

Yes - I was still typing when you posted it eddie.

I notice that 4 times at least the wriggling worms of the left have squirmed away (as they do every time) from this

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators

Exactly. I find some people on here completely stupid when it comes to this kind of thing.
It's like me sitting here in my comfortable little house with no fear of flooding, telling people up in the flooded areas of Britain "Oh don't worry, it doesn't happen often, I'm sure it'll be ok, stop fussing! And don't even preempt a flood of it rains...that's just fear!"

Fuck off with that shit.

In fact, it's even worse with the Islamic attacks because they don't even leave a bag and then walk off. They blow themselves up, so it's even harder to spot in advance. Who could have predicted that someone would try to cut the head off a soldier in the middle of the road? We also now have another knife attack in a station that nobody would think would be a particular target. In fact, I'm surprised that more people are not on the lookout for this kind of thing.

It just pisses me off entirely, that people who live nowhere near targeted areas, are deriding the scared people that do.
It's insulting.

eddie wrote:It just pisses me off entirely, that people who live nowhere near targeted areas, are deriding the scared people that do.
It's insulting.

They have a bad case of "I'm alright Jack", so they rant about those who have genuine concerns and call them "cowards". Let's see how "brave" they are when they're looking down the barrel of a gun or come face to face with some nutter with a knife.

Back in the day of the IRA threat, if you saw an unattended bag on the Underground you could ask people if it was their bag, and you could ask them to keep their bag with them. With these suicide bombers, it's a waste of time doing that - they keep their bags with them anyway.

And next time the Aussie bigot wants to call English people cowards, he should do some research on the fear of terrorism in Australia, and then go and call his neighbour a coward. Maybe he might get what he deserves then.

I would have thrown the person who felt uncomfortable off the bus.

Followed by Any others who felt uncomfortable.

I suggest anyone who feels uncomfortable leave the bus themselves.

If someone does feel uncomfortable and starts making demands to get off a bus, I will be booting them off at the next stop.

I think these are the fair options.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:I would have thrown the person who felt uncomfortable off the bus.

Followed by Any others who felt uncomfortable.

I suggest anyone who feels uncomfortable leave the bus themselves.

If someone does feel uncomfortable and starts making demands to get off a bus, I will be booting them off at the next stop.

I think these are the fair options.

An interesting point. If someone feels uncomfortable and gets off a bus or train, and then there turns out to be a bomb, won't that person wish they'd told others that they'd felt uncomfortable?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:I would have thrown the person who felt uncomfortable off the bus.

Followed by Any others who felt uncomfortable.

I suggest anyone who feels uncomfortable leave the bus themselves.

If someone does feel uncomfortable and starts making demands to get off a bus, I will be booting them off at the next stop.

I think these are the fair options.

An interesting point. If someone feels uncomfortable and gets off a bus or train, and then there turns out to be a bomb, won't that person wish they'd told others that they'd felt uncomfortable?

They can warn all they want. They can all jump off the bus if they want. They have no right to tell others to leave.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

An interesting point. If someone feels uncomfortable and gets off a bus or train, and then there turns out to be a bomb, won't that person wish they'd told others that they'd felt uncomfortable?

They can warn all they want. They can all jump off the bus if they want. They have no right to tell others to leave.

They didn't, a member of staff did - allegedly. In fact, it's not clear that he was actually asked to get off.

A spokesman for National Express said: "We categorically deny an incident in which a passenger was asked to leave one of our coaches was in any way discriminatory.

"The gentleman concerned boarded with excess luggage which became an issue for a number of our other customers.

"He refused to put the excess luggage in the hold when requested, was abusive towards our staff and walked out of the station.

"Our staff, who often have to make difficult decisions at short notice, remained professional throughout and are extremely upset at these serious allegations which are both unfounded and untrue."

It's not very clear. The statement does appear to confirm at first that the man was asked to get off, but then later it says that he was abusive and walked out of the station when he was asked to put excess luggage in the hold.

What's absurd is that this man insisted on taking his luggage on the bus with him instead of putting it in the hold. He says it's obvious that he's a Muslim. He must be aware of recent events. Why then was he being so awkward? Why not try to understand that people are worried and just put his wretched luggage in the hold? The reports say he's British, as if that makes a difference.

So its very possible its all very much an invented victim status.
No doubt to make money from the media and National Express.
I mean lets face it, we have discrmination laws in this country and if he had been kicked off for being Muslim, there is no doubt some of the passengers would have backed this up.
Hence very dubious claim, as I doubt the coach was full of far right supporters.

Unless he publically stated at the time that he was Muslim, I don't see how such a claim would hold up anyway.

Also, being abusive to staff is an absolute no-no. Anyone who is abusive to staff anywhere should be told to leave.

eddie wrote:I keep saying this and I am hoping someone will listen:

Different parts of the country are under different pressures in regards to terror attacks.
Living near London is far more worrying than living up in the countryside in deep Yorkshire.
So all those that sit smug and loftily spout out their rubbish about "paranoia" and "fear" and look down their noses....try living here, where a few stops up is a madman with a machete attacking people on the very tube line you live on, that your son travels on,  and a few stops after that is the shopping centre you go to which is a massive "ISIS target" - in their own words!!!

So fuck off to all the little village people in the quiet and untouched parts of the country, who have their little token Muslim post office owner, making them feel all "multicultural".

Try living in London. Watch the shit that kicks off their every single night between Muslim groups and people running scared  - unreported, as it's far too often!!

Can't stand people that think that it's all ok becaeue they're all untouched.
Try opening your narrow little mind

This point and a good one has been overlooked on forums.

At Christmas for years we have taken our little ones to Hamlets in Oxford Street London as a special treat, they love it.
This year after a family discussion, due to the concern of terrorism we have decided not to do it this year.

We will be taking them to Toysrus shopping centre we believe is much safer than London but who really knows.

The mums usually go to Harrods but that is a no no now.

The kids are disappointed but alive.

I know some will say it is giving in to terrorism but our bratz are more precious.

I have loads of friends/associates who live in the sticks and do not see that which I do, admittedly, some would not 'want' to see.

had a printer with him did he?

personally I would not have made a big fuss,

I would have quietly phoned the police and reported a "suspect item"

anyone remember the "printer bombs"?

I notice that 4 times at least the wriggling worms of the left have squirmed away (as they do every time) from this

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators


bump....no point hoping it will go away......

Lord Foul wrote:had a printer with him did he?

personally I would not have made a big fuss,

I would have quietly phoned the police and reported a "suspect item"

anyone remember the "printer bombs"?

Yes, a printer, and he says he didn't want to put it in the hold in case it got stolen.

So he's insisting that he keeps a bag with him and making a fuss about it, and then wonders why some people are suspicious. He says he was reluctant to make a complaint at first, but he's now considering his options. I wonder why.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Kicked-National-Express-coach-m-Muslim-Bristol/story-28320122-detail/story.html

Lord Foul wrote:I notice that 4 times at least the wriggling worms of the left have squirmed away (as they do every time) from this

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators


bump....no point hoping it will go away......

No doubt they would say that it worth the child dying so that "western values" could be upheld.

Lord Foul wrote:I notice that 4 times at least the wriggling worms of the left have squirmed away (as they do every time) from this

of course, as I said further up I have NO doubt that had he gone on the bus and subsequently gone booom...you are veya and all the other so called progressives would have wrung your hands, cried your pathetic crocodile tears , shouted down any angry dissent, done everything to do nothing but make a noise and look good

and then blamed the victims for being on the bus...

you care MORE for the alleged "insult" this chap suffered...IF his story is true, as opposed to the report by national express
than you would about 50 dead passengers...

see...sorry that was a rotten thing to do but....is an adequate reponse to him

what I wonder would be your response to the child of someone blown up

oh yes...thats right

stop bloody blubbering and man up...

stop being a coward

or perhaps a whole shed load of useless and pointless platitudes
and of course you would then monitor him closely and intrusively via his friends and school, and send him for re-education if he showed any antipathy towards those he saw a perpetrators


bump....no point hoping it will go away......

Sorry Victor the above holds utterly no validity and when you open up the door to discrmination based off a what if, you open up the worst can of worms to allow discrmination on an unprecidented level.

So what next, a black youth gets on the bus and there is a fear he is part of a gang and there is a possibility he may stab someone?
What about a sleezy looking oldman, accused of being a pervert or nonce?

The worst part about your whole premise, is it is fundementally making all Muslims suspects, which if you do not apply to any other criminality and sterotypes, it is the worst prejudice going and utterly unbalanced.

Not only this the reality is that the majoirty of terrorists are not going to stick out as your A typical sterotype jihadi.
To cast a view of suspect to any person in the hindsight that a bomb may go off is again then allowing for the same method to apply to any group associated with a major crime. So a girl is molested on a coach, he is white and 75, then any white OAP is denied because its a distinct possibility this may happen. You going to deny all old white men next?

That is not how you deal with a problem and it is sound intelligence not a vigilanti stance on people with how you tackle this.
Again being the fact I grew up with this appalling prejudiced stance, being half Irish, I understand how this can further ostracize people within society when you want to have unity within your country and actually have on board the many Muslims against extremism.

So I understand very much the fears people have but if it is not applied to so many criminality to people through association to then act the same, it is fundementally flawed, prejudice and is counter productive. Like I say the reality is if it was a bomber it is more probale they will not look as you would perceive them to do so.
The very fact the intelligence service and the Police have thwardted many attempts means they are best placed to deal with this ever growing problem. Sure if you feel that something does not look right then you call the Police. The moment a people start to think they can take the law into their own hands you have anarchy.

So whilst I am sympathetic to how people feel, this approach is not only derisivre and hateful, but it only based off a fear of one apsect of criminality, which is not then apllied to others.

In a way Zack has a point, if you have the issue, you either get off or you call the Police as you are suspicious.

It wasn't just the man's appearance though was it? It was his insistence that he kept bags with him, and his rudeness when asked to put them in the hold. Some people became uncomfortable so they alerted the driver to their fears, they didn't tell the man to get off.

Raggamuffin wrote:It wasn't just the man's appearance though was it? It was his insistence that he kept bags with him, and his rudeness when asked to put them in the hold. Some people became uncomfortable so they alerted the driver to their fears, they didn't tell the man to get off.

I am not concerned if he was kicked oiff for being rude and the realikty is this was most likley the case.
I have no issue with removing an rude customer.
Again where do you want to draw the line of this Rags on uncomfortability?
Some people are afraid of their own shadow left alone people around them.
You cannot discrminate against people based off a fear.
I understand people having this fear, but it further sow a seed of divide in this country.

The reality is you are way more likley to be run over or die in a car crash than be a victim of a terrorist attack, murder etc.
So do people stay in their house in fear that this may happen?

No.

They get on with their lives, because it may well be a possibility it may happen, but its unlikely and even more unlikely that a terrorist attack will successfully happen.

Off to lunch