Muslim Kicked Off Bus

by Major Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:46 pm

First topic message reminder :

For Looking Shifty.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6793971/National-Express-race-row-passenger-Driver-asked-me-to-get-off-because-Im-a-Muslim-and-I-felt-humiliated.html

Better be safe than sorry.

by Ben Reilly Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:20 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cass wrote:^agree rags and didge but here's a conundrum - would he have played that card if there wasn't such an onslaught of media and public fear mongering?

You mean he took advantage of it? If so, I don't think anyone but himself can be blamed for that.

Tbh, I don't see that much public fearmongering about Muslims anyway.

Are you kidding?

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:26 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You mean he took advantage of it? If so, I don't think anyone but himself can be blamed for that.

Tbh, I don't see that much public fearmongering about Muslims anyway.

Are you kidding?

Not in the UK. I know you've got Mr Trump to contend with.

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:40 pm

comment didge ?

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12658p100-Muslim-kicked-off-bus#248617

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:49 pm

Already very much commented on perceptions already Victor to rags.

If the perception is based on a poor view point, then it is an education needed to show how poor that perception is, which funnilly enough a few pollls have already shown how poor this perception is by people in this country, not just once but on two polls.

It goes again very much what Me Lady and I have stated based on media attention, that for example of everyday all you mainly saw on the main news was young white males raping women, you would then start to form perceptions of those young white males. To the point that people would start being prejudiced against them.

The media is very much at fault for how people end up having very poor perceptions of a great many things.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3466/Perceptions-are-not-reality-10-things-the-world-gets-wrong.aspx

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html

So again what is needed more than anything is why the media is swaying the views of people so much, that they cannot look at many things with any real perception.

Education is the key

by eddie Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:had a printer with him did he?

personally I would not have made a big fuss,

I would have quietly phoned the police and reported a "suspect item"

anyone remember the "printer bombs"?

Yes, a printer, and he says he didn't want to put it in the hold in case it got stolen.

So he's insisting that he keeps a bag with him and making a fuss about it, and then wonders why some people are suspicious. He says he was reluctant to make a complain at first, but he's now considering his options. I wonder why.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Kicked-National-Express-coach-m-Muslim-Bristol/story-28320122-detail/story.html

Exactly.
I do see his points as to why he feels victimised, it must've been an uncomfortable situation for him - I'm not taking that away - but perhaps a little understanding could've gone a long way....

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:14 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:Already very much commented on perceptions already Victor to rags.

If the perception is based on a poor view point, then it is an education needed to show how poor that perception is, which funnilly enough a few pollls have already shown how poor this perception is by people in this country, not just once but on two polls.

It goes again very much what Me Lady and I have stated based on media attention, that for example of everyday all you mainly saw on the main news was young white males raping women, you would then start to form perceptions of those young white males. To the point that people would start being prejudiced against them.

The media is very much at fault for how people end up having very poor perceptions of a great many things.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3466/Perceptions-are-not-reality-10-things-the-world-gets-wrong.aspx

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html

So again what is needed more than anything is why the media is swaying the views of people so much, that they cannot look at many things with any real perception.

Education is the key

agreed, BUT and its a serious but...the perception isnt soley about Muslims, it is about the establishment

If you even tried to "educate£ you would be drowned out by calls of "govt shill" and folks would now just assume you were lying "so as not to upset" them

the lefts behaviour over many years had reaped almost irrepairable damage to confidence (never very high) in government.

I mean...its all very well you saying this is so and that is so...

but hey...why should I trust YOUR judgement?

why do you think turn out at elections is so low...

its not soley becasue people are not interested and cant be arsed

its becasue large numbers of people know that whatever they vote or not, they are going to get the same crock of shit, the only thing that changes is what colour it is....

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:19 pm

To me some of the left have helped cause a rise in the far right throughout Europe, so I comepletely agree on that aspect.
Things have to change and people have to stop making silly excuses for terrorist atcs, when many people fundemenetally know what is wrong and going wrong. That I think bugs people the most and even more defend beliefs that are at best poor, because they feel this is discrminating against the believer. Its not, as many back the right that all should be treated equally under the law and any discrmination against a believer is wrong, as it would be if they discrminated.

People have to learn no belief, whether it be political or religious has no right to any protection from the harshest criticism, ridicule and even distain, if it teaches very poor aspects.

So you make some valid points there Victor.

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You mean he took advantage of it? If so, I don't think anyone but himself can be blamed for that.

Tbh, I don't see that much public fearmongering about Muslims anyway.

Are you kidding?

Not in the UK. I know you've got Mr Trump to contend with.

not according to what is posted on this site alone Suspect

there is a Lot a fear mongering coming out of the UK.

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:03 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35059860

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:15 pm

@TM
did you read it?

A record number of people have been arrested for terrorism-related offences in England, Wales and Scotland, Home Office figures show.
There were 315 arrests in the year to September 2015, an increase of a third on the previous year.
The rise was partly driven by more women, teenage girls and boys being detained, the report suggests.
BBC correspondent Danny Shaw suggested this bore out fears about young people being drawn into extremism.
The figures were further proof of the severe threat of terrorism facing the UK Laughing my Ass off as the figures Clearly Show the Exact Opposite 33% increase and it is accounted for by the fact Police are now arresting Children and women, he added.
Of the 315 people arrested, a significant number (115) did not face any further action by police, the data showed. And that a 3rd were innocent and arrested BUT NOT CHARGED so there is the increase there, the number of arrests is spurious as it is equal to the number of people police released with out charge

Thank You for Proving the point about ridiculous Fear mongering coming out of the UK. The article is great example

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:28 pm

A third rate conviction which is best and far better than most crimes.
Again Veya cannoit grasp anything in comparrison of how the amount of terrorism is on the increase.

Notable terrorist cases since 2002

Burned-out Jeep used in the 30 June 2007 terrorist attack on Glasgow International Airport.
The cases below represent notable terrorist convictions since the beginning of 2002. Counter terrorism statistics relating to arrests and their outcomes are published by the Home Office.

2015

20 March 2015
Brusthom Ziamani, from south east London was sentenced to 22 years in prison for preparation of terrorist acts. Ziamani was on his way to behead a British soldier when he was arrested by police in August 2014.
5 March 2015
Abid Naseer was found guilty by a US court of providing support to Al Qaida and conspiring to use a destructive device. Prosecutors argued that Naseer was part of a conspiracy to attack Western targets including the Arndale shopping complex in Manchester and the New York subway system. No date for sentencing was set. Naseer faces up to life imprisonment.
10 January 2015
Former Finsbury Park Mosque preacher Abu Hamza was found guilty of 11 charges of terrorism and kidnapping in a Manhatten court. He was given two life sentences and 100 years for nine other counts of terrorism, with no possibility of parole.

2014

9 July 2014
Two Birmingham men pleaded guilty to terrorism offences after a family member reported them to the police. Yusuf Sarwar and Mohammed Ahmed had travelled to Syria to link up with extremists, and admitted to preparing to carry out acts of terrorism. Both were given an extended sentence of 17 years and eight months.
26 February 2014
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale were jailed for life for the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby. Adebolajo was handed a whole life tariff, while Adebowale was given life with a minimum term of 45 years.

2013

10 June 2013
Six West Midlands men were jailed for over 18 years each after pleading guilty to terrorist charges. They admitted an attempt to carry out an attack on an English Defence League rally on 30 June 2012.
26 April 2013
Eleven men from Birmingham were sentenced to terms of imprisonment ranging from 40 months to life for their involvement in a major terrorist plot. They had planned to carry out suicide bomb attacks on a bigger scale than the 7/7 attacks in London in 2005.
25 April 2013
Three London men (Richard Dart, Imran Mahmood and Jahangir Alom) were jailed for a total of over 20 years after pleading guilty to engaging in conduct in preparation for acts of terrorism.
18 April 2013
Four men from Luton (Zahid Iqbal, Mohammed Sharfaz Ahmed, Umar Arshad, and Syed Farhan Hussain ) were given lengthy jail sentences for engaging in conduct and preparation for acts of terrorism. The men had planned to carry out terrorist attacks in Luton and elsewhere with improvised explosive devices to be made using instructions from an Al Qaida magazine.

2012

9 February 2012
Nine men who were members of a terrorist network in England and Wales were sentenced to between five and 17 years' imprisonment for offences including plotting to attack the London Stock Exchange and seeking terrorist training overseas.

2011

18 March 2011
Rajib Karim, an IT worker for British Airways, was convicted and sentenced to 30 years' imprisonment for supplying information about airlines to al Qaida terrorists in Yemen.

2010

2 November 2010
Roshonara Choudhry, a student from East London, was convicted of attempting to murder the MP Stephen Timms after being inspired by extremist sermons she had watched on the Internet.
8 July 2010
Ibrahim Savant, Arafat Khan and Waheed Zaman were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for conspiracy to murder persons unknown. By this point a total of twelve people had been convicted in seven trials for terrorism-related offences in connection with the 2006 aircraft bomb plot.

2009

14 September 2009
In one of a series of trials, three men who plotted in 2006 to blow up aircraft mid-flight between the UK, America and Canada by using liquid explosives were jailed for life.

2008

17 December 2008
Bilal Abdulla, an Iraqi citizen who worked in a hospital in Paisley, Scotland, was sentenced to 32 years' imprisonment for his role in terrorist attacks carried out in London and Glasgow International Airport in June 2007.
18 February 2008
Five conspirators were convicted of plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier and were sentenced to terms of between two years and life.
9 Jan 2008
Sohail Anjum Qureshi, an Al Qaida-trained terrorist intent on carrying out an act of terrorism overseas, was jailed for four and a half years.

2007

26 July 2007
Five students were convicted on charges of possessing material for terrorist purposes with the intention of going to terrorist training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
11 July 2007
The four would-be suicide bombers of 21 July 2005 were given life sentences following their convictions on charges of conspiracy to murder. A fifth man involved in the plot was convicted in November 2007.
5 July 2007
Three men were imprisoned for up to 10 years after being convicted of using the Internet to promote terrorism.
15 June 2007
Seven men were jailed for a total of 136 years for their involvement in Dhiren Barot's "dirty bomb" plot and "Gas Limos Project".
30 April 2007
Five men were imprisoned for life after being convicted of a plot to attack targets such as shopping centres and nightclubs using fertiliser-based explosives; two others were acquitted.

2006

7 November 2006
Al Qaida operative Dhiren Barot was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years' imprisonment after admitting a plot to attack UK and US targets using a "dirty bomb" and gas-filled limousines.
7 February 2006
Radical London cleric Abu Hamza was convicted of incitement to murder and sentenced to 7 years.

2005

13 April 2005
Kamel Bourgass was convicted of plotting to commit a public nuisance by the use of poisons and/or explosives to cause disruption, fear or injury. He was already serving a life sentence for the murder of PC Stephen Oake.
1 March 2005
Saajit Badat was imprisoned for 13 years following his admission that he had plotted with jailed shoe-bomber Richard Reid to destroy an airliner over the Atlantic.

2003

1 April 2003
Leicester residents Brahim Benmerzouga and Baghdad Merziane were each sentenced to 11 years' imprisonment for their roles in fundraising for Al Qaida and other extremist groups.

2002

27 February 2002
Moinul Abedin was sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment after being convicted of making large amounts of detonators and the explosive HMTD in a Birmingham house.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/what-we-do/the-threats/terrorism/international-terrorism/arrests-and-convictions.html

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:34 pm

Veya, arrests are up. And numbers charged are up too!

Not charged does not mean wrongfully arrested or totally without justification for being arrested in the first place..!

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:35 pm

Conviction rates for rape are far lower than other crimes, with only 5.7% of reported rape cases ending in a conviction for the perpetrator. (Kelly, Lovett and Regan, A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases, 2005)

http://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:38 pm

to a staggering 315 of which only 200 were real Suspect

If that number scares you then you are a Coward. that is EXACTLY WHAT Fear mongering is.

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:40 pm

Should have looked at last years

Arrests and outcomes

In the year ending 31 December 2014:

There were 289 arrests for terrorism-related offences, an increase of 30% compared with the previous year. This was driven mainly by an increase in arrests in the most recent quarter (October to December 2014).
The increase in the number of arrests was driven by:
a large increase in the number of 18- to 20-year-olds being arrested, which more than tripled from 15 to 46
a 48% increase in the number of persons arrested for international-related terrorism
Of those arrested for terrorism-related offences and subsequently charged, the proportion who were charged with terrorism-related offences was 86%, up from 56% in the previous year.

Charges

Once the maximum pre-charge detention period has been reached, the police must charge a suspect, release the suspect without charge, release the suspect on bail, or take alternative action such as issuing a caution.
Of the 289 arrestees in the year ending 31 December 2014, 111 were charged with an offence. Of these offences, 96 (or 86%) were considered to be terrorism related. This is an increase on the 56% which were considered terrorism related in the previous year, suggesting that police were more frequently able to find evidence to support the link to terrorism following a terrorism-related arrest.

Figure 2.3 Persons charged following terrorism-related arrests, by type of charge

Source: Home Office, Data table A.04.
Of the 289 persons arrested in the year ending 31 December 2014, 111 were charged and 110 were released without charge. A further 57 were bailed to return pending further investigation and 11 faced alternative action (such as receiving a caution, or being detained under an international arrest warrant).
As police investigations progress, cases involving those bailed pending further investigation will become finalised. This will lead to the number of charges and other outcomes increasing over time. More recent time periods are likely to have a greater number of non-finalised cases. This is shown in Figure 2.4, where a greater proportion of cases in more recent quarters are ‘bailed to return’. This should be taken into consideration when comparing figures over time.
Since 11 September 2001, when the data collection began, 39% of those arrested for terrorism-related offences have been charged. More recently, police have charged suspects in a higher proportion of cases, with a charge rate of 58% in the year ending 31 December 2013. The year ending 31 December 2014 has seen a 38% charge rate, although this is expected to increase as more investigations are completed.

Figure 2.4 Proportional breakdown of outcomes, up to point of charge, following arrests for terrorism-related offences

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/operation-of-police-powers-under-the-terrorism-act-2000-quarterly-update-to-december-2014/operation-of-police-powers-under-the-terrorism-act-2000-and-subsequent-legislation-arrests-outcomes-and-stops-and-searches-quarterly-update-to-31-d

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:42 pm

and what is your answer then

the usual lefty twaddle...do nothing, let em run amok with no restraint?

idiot

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:45 pm

veya_victaous wrote:to a staggering 315 of which only 200 were real

If that number scares you then you are a Coward. that is EXACTLY WHAT Fear mongering.

How many deaths in 9/11?
How many casulaties in 9/11?

That was one terrorist attack

So it really does not help with your immature views.
Some people have concerns and such remarks you make do not help that siuation.
Like I say an australian with little experince of knowledge of terrorism, is the least best placed to even advise on understanding any of this.
The Uk has suffered far more terrorism in the west than many countries per population.
So I think Brits tend to understand more about terrorism.

What is needed is like I have debated throughout with the others.
Your immature points are what is also wrong and do nothing to educate people and instead anger them.
So yyou are part of the problem

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:46 pm

Looks like the police are doing a great job... with a very high arrest'/charge rate...'.!

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:52 pm

People can see for themselves the trend of terrorism for the EU from the following reports.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/37

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:54 pm

Lord Foul wrote:and what is your answer then

the usual lefty twaddle...do nothing, let em run amok with no restraint?

idiot

To what question? And Why is Your Answer piss your pants?

Police Arrested them so at this point do nothing is appropriate, this whole lets run around in circle crying that sky is falling down because of a small number of arrests is Cowardice and Ridiculousness.

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:59 pm

yeah? but you are a lefty and hence must be one of those bleating about how these arrests are unfair??...see the thread below this one

by veya_victaous Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:18 am

Lord Foul wrote:yeah? but you are a lefty and hence must be one of those bleating about how these arrests are unfair??...see the thread below this one

I dont think so, this left strawman is getting silly victor Rolling Eyes

the law works when applied, why Britain chooses not to apply it sometime I don't know. confused

there is Absolutely no need to throw away yet more freedoms to appease cowards like didge and tommy. Evil or Very Mad

Now We Can let the Chickens Rule the roost and go down the same path Germany did that led to WW2 and let didge and tommy Commit a Holocaust against Muslims.
Or those of us with Brain and Balls (although many female Brits seems significantly Braver then the men on here) Can tell the little cowards to Be quiet, It's Okay, we will deal with it.

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:34 am

you do seem to like getting caned on here veya

now just waht DO yoiu want here

the cops ARE doing their job, correctly according to intel recieved...

and yet you whinge

the law IS being applied

and yet you whinge

we dont even know that this guy on the bus was refused travel becasue he was an abusive asshat or wether indeed he was a victim of unfortunate circumstance

what IS certain thoiugh is that if he was told to put his luggage in the lockers then THATS where he should have put it....and NO arguing

like the captain of a ship...you dont mess with the coach driver affraid

so

whatever...

one other thing...you dont influence ANYONE via the tactics you lot use...

as said...you are no different to isis, power mad bullies....

IF there is a rising of the RIGHT in europe....(and I sincerely hope there isnt...becasue thats NOT the sort of R/W I am) then it will soley be down to the attitude and past /present policys of the left

and if you cant see that then you are really blind...

people (as in populations) dont think...they react....

you can lead em...but you cant push em

by veya_victaous Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:11 am

Lord Foul wrote:you do seem to like getting caned on here veya

now just waht DO yoiu want here

the cops ARE doing their job, correctly according to intel recieved...

and yet you whinge NO I'M NOT YOU LOT ARE
YOU LOT ARE THE ONES SAYING SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, I am Saying "Something has been done already just let it do it's job"

the law IS being applied

and yet you whinge Again NO YOU ARE, I am saying Everything is Fine let police do their job they have enough powers to complete it, YOU ARE SAYING THINGS NEED TO CHANGE the current level of risk is unacceptable we need to give away the last freedoms to Appease Didge's Fears.

we dont even know that this guy on the bus was refused travel becasue he was an abusive asshat or wether indeed he was a victim of unfortunate circumstance

what IS certain thoiugh is that if he was told to put his luggage in the lockers then THATS where he should have put it....and NO arguing

like the captain of a ship...you dont mess with the coach driver

so

whatever...

one other thing...you dont influence ANYONE via the tactics you lot use...

as said...you are no different to isis, power mad bullies.... Cause I stand Up for Any peaceful persons rights, Yeah OK wanker you are no different than ISIS because Like ISIS you care for your group only, and just completely ignore the fact that other groups are also human you ONLY make excuses for the failings of YOUR side but expect 3rd world poverty stricken people to be logical and reasonable and accept that a greater level of threat from us.

IF there is a rising of the RIGHT in europe....(and I sincerely hope there isnt...becasue thats NOT the sort of R/W I am) then it will soley be down to the attitude and past /present policys of the left
It is entirely on the Primitive and Immature nature of Europeans.
enabling Coward to Believe that their fear is justified is what will cause ww3 just like Hitler used it in ww2.
YOU do it EVERY TIME you tell Cowards like Didge and Tommy they are right, 315 people in a nation of 70 million is something to worry about.

and if you cant see that then you are really blind...
If you cant see that are the POLICIES of BRITAIN then You are Blind NO OTHER Left wing Group out side of Europe is AS DUMB AS THE TYPE Europe produces!!

people (as in populations) dont think...they react....
Yeah So you just justified ISIS, Syrians are people too
you can lead em...but you cant push em
So why promote Hatred of Muslims to try and stop Islamic fundamentalism?

It is You getting owned
you have done nothing but show cowardice and Proved my points!!
when the LEFT is not a strawman and Not Europeans (so Not a dumbass) you really struggle

Let the Police do their Jobs With ALL The New powers we already gave them in the last lot of rights we surrendered Just a few years ago.
Stop making the the sniveling shivering cowards Cry by telling them there are More Bogey men than they already believe there are.
we then kill the bogey man that there is, not encourage more OR create more western bogey men for Islamic Fundamentalist to use to gain recruits

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:28 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:you do seem to like getting caned on here veya

now just waht DO yoiu want here

the cops ARE doing their job, correctly according to intel recieved...

and yet you whinge NO I'M NOT YOU LOT ARE
YOU LOT ARE THE ONES SAYING SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, I am Saying "Something has been done already just let it do it's job"

have i said differently??

the law IS being applied

and yet you whinge Again NO YOU ARE, I am saying Everything is Fine let police do their job they have enough powers to complete it, YOU ARE SAYING THINGS NEED TO CHANGE the current level of risk is unacceptable we need to give away the last freedoms to Appease Didge's Fears.

I dont think I have said that?????

we dont even know that this guy on the bus was refused travel becasue he was an abusive asshat or wether indeed he was a victim of unfortunate circumstance

what IS certain thoiugh is that if he was told to put his luggage in the lockers then THATS where he should have put it....and NO arguing

like the captain of a ship...you dont mess with the coach driver

so

whatever...

one other thing...you dont influence ANYONE via the tactics you lot use...

as said...you are no different to isis, power mad bullies.... Cause I stand Up for Any peaceful persons rights, no because you would remove "some" peoples rights (those who dont agree with you ) ok wanker?...hypocrisy at its best Yeah OK wanker you are no different than ISIS because Like ISIS you care for your group only, and just completely ignore the fact that other groups are also human you ONLY make excuses for the failings of YOUR side but expect 3rd world poverty stricken people to be logical and reasonable and accept that a greater level of threat from us.

says you.....

IF there is a rising of the RIGHT in europe....(and I sincerely hope there isnt...becasue thats NOT the sort of R/W I am) then it will soley be down to the attitude and past /present policys of the left
It is entirely on the Primitive and Immature nature of Europeans.
enabling Coward to Believe that their fear is justified is what will cause ww3 just like Hitler used it in ww2.
YOU do it EVERY TIME you tell Cowards like Didge and Tommy they are right, 315 people in a nation of 70 million is something to worry about.

cretin ONE person in that population could in the right circumstances be something to worry about....it all depends on the size of the bomb and where doesnt it....

maybe atm its nowt much to bother about ...i mean 50....500 blown up

but what when its something rather more exotic.......guess we will cross that bridge...assuming theres a bridge left when we come to it....

and if you cant see that then you are really blind...
If you cant see that are the POLICIES of BRITAIN then You are Blind NO OTHER Left wing Group out side of Europe is AS DUMB AS THE TYPE Europe produces!!

people (as in populations) dont think...they react....
Yeah So you just justified ISIS, Syrians are people too
you can lead em...but you cant push em
So why promote Hatred of Muslims to try and stop Islamic fundamentalism?

It is You getting owned
you have done nothing but show cowardice and Proved my points!!
when the LEFT is not a strawman and Not Europeans (so Not a dumbass) you really struggle

Let the Police do their Jobs With ALL The New powers we already gave them in the last lot of rights we surrendered Just a few years ago.
Stop making the the sniveling shivering cowards Cry by telling them there are More Bogey men than they already believe there are.
we then kill the bogey man that there is, not encourage more OR create more western bogey men for Islamic Fundamentalist to use to gain recruits

now I know you are living in a dream world
Rolling Eyes

by veya_victaous Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:00 am

cretin ONE person in that population could in the right circumstances be something to worry about....it all depends on the size of the bomb and where doesnt it....

maybe atm its nowt much to bother about ...i mean 50....500 blown up

but what when its something rather more exotic.......guess we will cross that bridge...assuming theres a bridge left when we come to it....

And Thus Victor Justified Syrians and Iraqi attacks on British(Western) Citizens.
OR he is a Hypocrite as Syrian Victor can say the same thing about Syrian Didge.

"Could Be Something to worry about" So could a shark Picked up in a tornado But ONLY a cowardly moron would.
Honestly the threat of being bitten by a deadly snake walking through my horse paddock is several hundred maybe even thousands of times that level risk.

the Whole Fear of Foxes things is all making Sense..... the chances of being attacked by a fox in my horse paddock are also higher

tongue

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:00 am

How does that Justified Syrians and Iraqi attacks on British(Western) Citizens?

So by the methodology of Veya, any concern over one individual based off their identity, justifies anyone who also shares that identity to attack the people who have conern of them.

So basically Vey has just justified any attack on Muslims by the far right anywhere in the world, if Mulims have concerns over far right extremism and terrorism.

Yep you cannot make it up how absurd the regressive left actually by their own failed and flawed logic have just opened up the biggest can of worms to justify just about anyone associated by an identity, attacking people of another identity. If the said people have concerns about them. Now many Muslims have concern about Far right extremism and terrorism, I guess to Veya they must all be chicken shits and cowardly morans to him.

2013 29 April: Pavlo Lapshyn attacks. Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student, stabbed Mohammed Saleem, a Birmingham resident to death. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war". Lapshyn later detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall on 21 June. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured.On 28 May Lapshyn detonated a second home-made bomb near a mosque in Wolverhampton, and attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing nails on 12 July. Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. Laphsyn was later sentenced to serve a minimum of 40 years

It also shows again Veya did not read a single post I made.
As my views are very different to Victors on this and how I certainly understand how people have concerns, but that there should not be such discrmination.

Do I really need to post up again what I said, or is Veya, going to continue to invent things I have not said?

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:57 am

I presume that Veya would say that Sikhs are cowards too then. When Zack Davies attacked a Sikh man in a supermarket, Sikhs said they wanted more protection, even though the chances of them being attacked were low and Davies didn't even know his victim was a Sikh.

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