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Parents Charged With Killing Son In Church

A teenager is killed and his brother is seriously hurt in a so-called "counselling session" aimed at getting them to confess sins.

19:03, UK, Wednesday 14 October 2015
Bruce Leonard and his wife Deborah Leonard are charged in the beating death of their 19-year-old son



A couple have been charged with fatally beating their 19-year-old son in an apparent "counselling session" at a church in central New York

Bruce Leonard, 65, and 59-year-old Deborah Leonard are charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of their son Lucas.

Four other members of the Word of Life Church in New Hartford were charged with assault for the attack that also left Lucas' younger brother, Christopher, seriously injured.

Authorities said the beatings were part of what parishioners referred to as a "counselling session".
David Morey, 26, of Utica Linda Morey, 54, are charged with felony second-degree assault

David Morey, 26, and Linda Morey, 54, pleaded not guilty to assault

New Hartford Police Chief Michael Inserra said the teens were subjected to hours of physical punishment "in hopes that each would confess to prior sins and ask for forgiveness".

Investigators are still looking into what the supposed sins were, Chief Inserra said.

Officers responded to the church at about 12.30pm on Monday after family members brought Lucas to hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, are charged with felony second-degree assault

Sarah Ferguson, 33, and Joseph Irwin, 26, were also charged

State and local officials cordoned off the church and began interviewing parishioners.

Several children found inside were turned over to child welfare officials, police said.

Authorities said Lucas and Christopher suffered injuries to their abdomens, genitals, backs and thighs.

Christopher, 17, remains in hospital in serious condition, Chief Inserra told a news conference on Wednesday.

The teens' parents pleaded not guilty at their arraignment on Tuesday and are being held in Oneida County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bail each.

Lawyers for the couple declined to comment on the case.

David Morey, 26, Linda Morey, 54, Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, were ordered held on $50,000 bail. All four pleaded not guilty to a felony count of second-degree assault.


from "http://news.sky.com/story/1569536/parents-charged-with-killing-son-in-church"



If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

smelly-bandit wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Sorry did smelly say call out others ha ha ha ha

How many times have you been corrected more like?

Fucking hilarious, unreliable stories found in both books being argued over whether they were plagerized or not. I mean there is countless characters from the Quran in the Bible, the stories differ s and have adapted some what, but it leaves smelly with a huge problem
Well if they were not plagerized, smelly must think Allah exists and did pass on his words to Muhammad, so which is it?

See??

Care to explain how the part in red is possible

Easy, as seen above there is multiple charcaters found in both with similar stories. The same is with the bible which has plagerized stories from the ancient Sumerians. So many of the stories found in the Quran predate the bible itself going back to the first civilizations in Sumeria.

Or did you not know this dummy.

So based on your view of Chronological history, which is hilarious when most is unreliable to place as historical, just shows how in both religious books they have adpated earlier stories.

Did you not think of this dumbo, ha ha ha

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


Sorry mama but you're a liar

You never reply to me, all you ever say is "I will show you Tomorrow"

Tomorrow nevr comes with you

Ok what have I not answered?

Please inform me!

You told me that the Quran says that Muslims are allowed to adapt and modify the teachings and moe specifically punishments in order to make the Quran relevant and acceptable for modern society

This came up when we were discussing 100 lashes for adultery

I asked you to provide the sura

You replied with "I will show you later"

I'm still waiting

smelly-bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Ok what have I not answered?

Please inform me!

You told me that the Quran says that Muslims are allowed to adapt and modify the teachings and moe specifically punishments in order to make the Quran relevant and acceptable for modern society

This came up when we were discussing 100 lashes for adultery

I asked you to provide the sura

You replied with "I will show you later"

I'm still waiting

We have gone over this many times even Zack posted about it.

The Quran doesn't have any such sura on adapting punishments but its fuckin common sense about evolving

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You told me that the Quran says that Muslims are allowed to adapt and modify the teachings and moe specifically punishments in order to make the Quran relevant and acceptable for modern society

This came up when we were discussing 100 lashes for adultery

I asked you to provide the sura

You replied with "I will show you later"

I'm still waiting

We have gone over this many times even Zack posted about it.

The Quran doesn't have any such sura on adapting punishments but its fuckin common sense about evolving

thats the standard response form you

"ive already shown you this"

"ill show you tomorrow"

"we have discussed this already and i cant be bothered to repeat myself"

same old evasive bullshit , form one of the biggest bullshitters

here you go mama

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/

all you have to do is provide the link to the sura that you are talking about , it will take you about 1 minue.

of course you wont because youre talking shit, and now that i have called you out on it everyone knows youre a bullshitter

So I see smelly has run away from my points

Quell surprise which makes both Stardesk and Veya right

Cuchulain wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


See??

Care to explain how the part in red is possible

Easy, as seen above there is multiple charcaters found in both with similar stories. The same is with the bible which has plagerized stories from the ancient Sumerians. So many of the stories found in the Quran predate the bible itself going back to the first civilizations in Sumeria.

Or did you not know this dummy.

So based on your view of Chronological history, which is hilarious when most is unreliable to place as historical, just shows how in both religious books they have adpated earlier stories.

Did you not think of this dumbo, ha ha ha

which stories

this folks is how you expose a liar

show us which stories in the qur'an date back to sumerian civilization

folks i just want to say that this is entirely unscripted, myself and walter mitty have not arranged a monty python sketch for your amusement

this is pure walter mitty at his best

by the way walter, i notice you missed out on the opportunity to call me out on the mistake i made, the one i made for your benefit

can you spot it??

smelly-bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

We have gone over this many times even Zack posted about it.

The Quran doesn't have any such sura on adapting punishments but its fuckin common sense about evolving

thats the standard response form you

"ive already shown you this"

"ill show you tomorrow"

"we have discussed this already and i cant be bothered to repeat myself"

same old evasive bullshit , form one of the biggest bullshitters

here you go mama

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/

all you have to do is provide the link to the sura that you are talking about , it will take you about 1 minue.

of course you wont because youre talking shit, and now that i have called you out on it everyone knows youre a bullshitter  

Have you finally lost it?

Why would I post suras like you have done above which makes no sense at all.

Read my last again until it sinks in!

smelly-bandit wrote:folks i just want to say that this is entirely unscripted, myself and walter mitty have not arranged a monty python sketch for your amusement

this is pure walter mitty at his best

by the way walter, i notice you missed out on the opportunity to call me out on the mistake i made, the one i made for your benefit

can you spot it??


 

lol more immature deflections when you have no answer to my points .

Give it up dumbo, the reality is many of us know far more about religion than you will ever hope to, its called reading, you might try it sometime.

Now if you come out with another feeble excuse all know you are a charlatan,

so i take it you wont be enlightening us with which stories in the qur'an date back to sumerian civilization??

like i said folks, if you want to expose a bull shitter all you need to do is ask them to teach you what they know.

according to walter mitty there are stories in the qur'an that date back to sumerian civilization, what those stories are however will remain a mystery

walter mitty - chief bullshitter

veyva the diva - bullshitter in waiting

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

thats the standard response form you

"ive already shown you this"

"ill show you tomorrow"

"we have discussed this already and i cant be bothered to repeat myself"

same old evasive bullshit , form one of the biggest bullshitters

here you go mama

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/

all you have to do is provide the link to the sura that you are talking about , it will take you about 1 minue.

of course you wont because youre talking shit, and now that i have called you out on it everyone knows youre a bullshitter  

Have you finally lost it?

Why would I post suras like you have done above which makes no sense at all.

Read my last again until it sinks in!

but that is not what you CLAIMED mama

you said specifically that the qur'an itself allows for adaptation and evolving of its punishments to fit in with modern society.

now youre changing your tune again

since walter apparently cannot spot the mistake i made for him , here it is

"Not sure how the bible contain characters from a book that wasn't written until thousands of years after the bible was completed"

i really thought it was obvious and was hoping you would pick up on it, but apparently you also think the qur'an was written thousands of years after the bible

smelly-bandit wrote:so i take it you wont be enlightening us with which stories in the qur'an date back to sumerian civilization??

like i said folks, if you want to expose a bull shitter all you need to do is ask them to teach you what they know.

according to walter mitty there are stories in the qur'an that date back to sumerian civilization, what those stories are however will remain a mystery

walter mitty - chief bullshitter

veyva the diva - bullshitter in waiting  

lol like I said nothing to counter my points but more inane deflections, proving his limited knowledge on the subject.

The stories adpated from ancient Sumerian theology found in the Bible, are the story of Adam, the Flood, the Tower of Babel, the list is numereous and any Theologian worth his salt would know this. Again some of these stories are adpated in the Quran also

Like I said this is why there is no point taking anything the twat smelly says with any validity, he has always been an uneducated grunt with no qualifications and thinks read up on the web makes him an expert ha ha

As seen he has not got a clue what he is talking about and just about every biblical historian knows much of the Old testament has been copied and adpated from early Sumerian myths.

I shall leave the twat to sulk now

I have worked to do

so still no specific details then

rememeber folks if you suspect a poster of bullshitting, then simply ask him for details and watch them squirm and weasel.

its quite funny really

however since this is obviously a sore point allow me to provide you all with some stories

lets look at the biblical characters of moses

7: 101

To Moses We did give nine Clear Signs: ask the Children of Israel: when he came to them Pharaoh said to him: "O Moses! I consider thee indeed to have been worked upon by sorcery!"

Anyone who has ever read the Bible, even if SUPERFICIALLY, would know that there were TEN PLAGUES and not NINE.

so here we see how muhhamad got it wrong, and even though moses is in the qur'an and the bible, the details surrounding him are incorrect

of course since the bible came first we must assume that muhhamd plagerised the story from the bible and then in his ignorance and stupidity got the details worng

whats next??

mariam

3: 36        And when she was delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female--Allah knew best of what she was delivered--the male is not as the female; and Lo! I have named her Mary [Mariam], and Lo! I crave Thy protection for her and for her offspring from Satan the outcast. 37        And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth; and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found that she had food. He said: O Mary [Mariam]! Whence cometh unto thee this (food)? She answered: It is from Allah. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will.      

Besides the fact that not a single word in the verse above was uttered by Mary [Mariam] as alleged in the Quran, and since Mary [Mariam]  was a Jewess, she could not possibly have known the name Allah as it does not exist in the Bible and is the Arabic name of the supreme god of the pagan Ka'ba in Arabia, almost 1000 miles away.

whats next??

jesus

3: 45      

Behold! the angels said "O Mary [Mariam]! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus the son of Mary held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

The Quran is obviously wrong again here also since Christ is NOT part of the name of Jesus BUT a TITLE meaning MESSIAH


and of course my favourite of muhhamds fuck ups

3: 3        

"It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step) in truth the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down Law (Torah of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)"

The Gospels were NOT revealed to Jesus since they were composed decades AFTER his death.

and on and on and on and on the plagerism goes

just because the qur'an has plagerised stories from the bible doesnt mean they share the same roots, how could they??

without the bible the qur'an would not exist

Didge is refusing to answer a question?

Oh dear ...

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge is refusing to answer a question?

Oh dear ...

a question of his own making

Or smelly cannot read, what did he miss in regards to the story of the flood, Adam the Tower of babel plagerized?
I mean does he know that most of these stories were added when the Jews were held captive in Babylonia?

It shows smelly knows fuck all about theology. lol

Like I say is he going to deny these stories have been plagerized and adpated?

Just as stories were adpated in the Quran.
His idiotic argument goes along the lines that because the bible was written before they must be correct, which is comical, as there is little historical evidence to back up the biblical stories.

Hence why Smelly is a complete idiot when it comes to theology

https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/hebrew-bible-plagiarized-mythology-and-defaced-monotheism/

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge is refusing to answer a question?

Oh dear ...

a question of his own making

  Or your ability to weasel out of the points given is legendary

Panbabylonism is a school of thought within Assyriology and Religious studies that considers the Hebrew Bible and Judaism to be directly derived from Mesopotamian (Babylonian) mythology. Appearing in the late 19th century, it gained popularity in the early 20th century, advocated notably by Alfred Jeremias.
The ideas presented within its framework still carry importance in mythological studies, due to similarities between myths in the comparatively young Bible and much older myths from ancient Mesopotamian mythologies.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism

If the dummy wants more evidence happy to post up biblical scholars to also back this up, anyway will leave the wonder pants smelly to sulk as he really knows naff all about theology

Laters dummy

and still we are waiting for walter to come through on his threat to "show us"

i still see no sumarian myths that appear in the qur'an

like i said folks the only way to expose liars and fools is to ask them to share their knoweldge with you.

come on walter, you have been threatening me all day with threats to prove me wrong, so go ahead, lets see their sumarian legends and then lets see the suras in the qur'an where they reappear

every thing else is irrelevant, all that matters is what you claimed and are now unable to back up

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Just like you want to dodge your own obligations.  In America we call those people, deadbeats.

I don't have obligations to anyone. You probably have though - give back all that stuff you stole.

Spoken like a true deadbeat. Paid your child-support lately?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Don't be juvenile, Raggs.  If I'm getting to you, leave off.

It's not about me.  Nor is it about you.  I'm only speaking about you because you've made yourself the example, with your posh education and xlnt London job.

We began speaking about populations...and the sociology of education.  Let's keep our eye on that subject.

It's me who seems to be getting to you Quill.

Are you jealous of my education Quill? Are you jealous that I worked in London? Anyone can go and work in London, and anyone can pay attention at school, and at least attempt to get A Levels and go to college. The fact that you can't admit that I worked for those things just confirms your namby-pamby leftie attitude that I must have been "given" them.

I know. I taught at the University of London while doing a post-doctorate fellowship there. S'wonderful that you were able to do those things. But, then, why do you want to block others from doing them?

Or is it just because they are black?

nicko wrote:Vaya and Quill live in their own little cocooned world, they know fuck all about what goes on out  side it.

And you? What gifts have you brought into the world, 'cept to kill children?

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:Vaya and Quill live in their own little cocooned world, they know fuck all about what goes on out  side it.

And you?  What gifts have you brought into the world, 'cept to kill children?

Lol

Killing children

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's me who seems to be getting to you Quill.

Are you jealous of my education Quill? Are you jealous that I worked in London? Anyone can go and work in London, and anyone can pay attention at school, and at least attempt to get A Levels and go to college. The fact that you can't admit that I worked for those things just confirms your namby-pamby leftie attitude that I must have been "given" them.

I know.  I taught at the University of London while doing a post-doctorate fellowship there.  S'wonderful that you were able to do those things.  But, then, why do you want to block others from doing them?

Or is it just because they are black?

I might reply to that when the issue of VOD and HF has been resolved one way or another. At the moment, I can't be bothered with your bullshit.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't have obligations to anyone. You probably have though - give back all that stuff you stole.

Spoken like a true deadbeat.  Paid your child-support lately?

Stick your head down the toilet, loser.

smelly-bandit wrote:and still we are waiting for walter to come through on his threat to "show us"

i still see no sumarian myths that appear in the qur'an

like i said folks the only way to expose liars and fools is to ask them to share their knoweldge with you.

come on walter, you have been threatening me all day with threats to prove me wrong, so go ahead, lets see their sumarian legends and then lets see the suras in the qur'an where they reappear

every thing else is irrelevant, all that matters is what you claimed and are now unable to back up

Are you fucking kidding me you fuckwit?

Are you telling me the story of the flood is not in the Quran or Adam?

Seriously walk away you pathetic idiot, if you cannot see the stories originate in Sumerian and then are adpated in later the bible and the Quran you truly are an idiot.

Now I have given the same examples of which each time you have come up with feeble deflections and even your fans cannot save you the embarressment you are making for yourself here


Now last chance fuckwit, disprove my point or I shall leave you standing looking the fuckwit you are

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Spoken like a true deadbeat.  Paid your child-support lately?

Stick your head down the toilet, loser.

Stick your head down the toilet, loser.

Wow...you may have written down a whole new rock song.

Stick your head down the toilet, loser,
You fill my head with Martin Luther...
I think I need the Heimlich maneuver...
You make me t'so mad I become an abuser,

Oh lawdy...

Stick your head down the toilet, loser,
I am the A-level, London cruiser,
I drink in pubs with smelly and boozer,
Go stick your head down the toilet, loser.

Yeaaaa...  

What a prat you are quill, and you prove it with every post.

I've never seen such childishness from grown men before joining this forum.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

gays affect me by the erosion of the tradition values -  marriage between man and woman, husband and wife - terms im no longer allowed to use for fear of being arrested for homophobic hate crimes

Muslims of course affect me, every time i fly i now have to take off my shoes because of some Muslim

So what you're really saying with the thing about gay people is that you want everyone to pretend your bigotry is OK. And you should understand that the shoes-off-in-the-airport policy was created by people who are a lot like you -- unreasonably fearful of Muslims.

so im a bigot because i believe that HUSBAND can marry his WIFE instead of being force to delcare his /herself as "partner" marrying a "partner" so as not to be considered a bigot

are you married ben??

did you marry your wife or did you marry a random "partner"??

if youre not married yet, the you had better forget about marrying a wife and get used to marrying a partner.

and the shoes-off-in-the-airport policy may have been created by security experts but it was INSPIRED by Muslims.

you asked how gays and Muslim affect me, and i told you, dont try and justify it away because the bottom line is that you are affected in the same ways.

you may not care about it, but you are still affected by it.

See, this is exactly what Veya is talking about when he points out that it's the British themselves who give the rest of us the impression that Britain is a shithole. You want to call your wife your wife, call her that -- anybody who is offended is an idiot.

Soooo, you tell some of us, and rightly so, that you shouldn't judge all Muslims for the few, yet you judge all Brits for the few?

Like I've said all along:

EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT RACIST

Sooner people accept and live with that, the sooner, ironically, racism will become less.

eddie wrote:Soooo, you tell some of us, and rightly so, that you shouldn't judge all Muslims for the few, yet you judge all Brits for the few?

Like I've said all along:

EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT RACIST

Sooner people accept and live with that, the sooner, ironically, racism will become less.

I don't judge all Brits by the few nasty ones here, but it's a struggle, to be honest.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Soooo, you tell some of us, and rightly so, that you shouldn't judge all Muslims for the few, yet you judge all Brits for the few?

Like I've said all along:

EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT RACIST

Sooner people accept and live with that, the sooner, ironically, racism will become less.

I don't judge all Brits by the few nasty ones here, but it's a struggle, to be honest.

Right and that's because some come across as horrible,/ignorant/nasty/pathetic etc etc

Yes? I get that. I understand that.

Well imagine that, plus having less to be offered in your country, and having some authorities bending over backwards and then those same people who've "taken" your place in a queue for a house being horrible,/ignorant/nasty/pathetic etc etc and then some of them planning to BOMB you??

Can you see where I'm going with this Ben?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

so im a bigot because i believe that HUSBAND can marry his WIFE instead of being force to delcare his /herself as "partner" marrying a "partner" so as not to be considered a bigot

are you married ben??

did you marry your wife or did you marry a random "partner"??

if youre not married yet, the you had better forget about marrying a wife and get used to marrying a partner.

and the shoes-off-in-the-airport policy may have been created by security experts but it was INSPIRED by Muslims.

you asked how gays and Muslim affect me, and i told you, dont try and justify it away because the bottom line is that you are affected in the same ways.

you may not care about it, but you are still affected by it.

See, this is exactly what Veya is talking about when he points out that it's the British themselves who give the rest of us the impression that Britain is a shithole. You want to call your wife your wife, call her that -- anybody who is offended is an idiot.

Tbh, this is not a good time to be praising Veya for his Brit-bashing - IMO.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Soooo, you tell some of us, and rightly so, that you shouldn't judge all Muslims for the few, yet you judge all Brits for the few?

Like I've said all along:

EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT RACIST

Sooner people accept and live with that, the sooner, ironically, racism will become less.

I don't judge all Brits by the few nasty ones here, but it's a struggle, to be honest.

It's becoming quite difficult not to judge Americans in a negative way by the ones here too - and Australians.

Hmmm well seeing as the majority of Brit-bathers hate the the Brits for "bashing" other people......

See where I'm going with this too?

Guest wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:and still we are waiting for walter to come through on his threat to "show us"

i still see no sumarian myths that appear in the qur'an

like i said folks the only way to expose liars and fools is to ask them to share their knoweldge with you.

come on walter, you have been threatening me all day with threats to prove me wrong, so go ahead, lets see their sumarian legends and then lets see the suras in the qur'an where they reappear

every thing else is irrelevant, all that matters is what you claimed and are now unable to back up

Are you fucking kidding me you fuckwit?

Are you telling me the story of the flood is not in the Quran or Adam?

Seriously walk away you pathetic idiot, if you cannot see the stories originate in Sumerian and then are adpated in later the bible and the Quran you truly are an idiot.

Now I have given the same examples of which each time you have come up with feeble deflections and even your fans cannot save you the embarressment you are making for yourself here


Now last chance fuckwit, disprove my point or I shall leave you standing looking the fuckwit you are

Someone has sand in his fanny

You gonna man up and provide the proof to your wild claims or carrying on waffling??

He can't smelly
He's left

Well well, bless my smelly wellies. This topic is growing ever bigger with its counter-arguements, so, I'll add a little bit of what I promised yesterday. Bear in mind that the OT and NT stories would have been well known throughout the Middle East:

                                                                           KORAN v. BIBLE
BIBLE                                                    KORAN chapter:
CREATION  Genesis 1.                              The Table  1.
ADAM & EVE Genesis 1.26                         The House of Imran v. 50
CAIN & ABEL  Genesis 4:8                         The Table  30.
NOAH & FLOOD  Genesis 6:13                    The Spider  13.

Here's a few names in the Koran that are in and copied from the Bible:

Aaron.    Abraham      Angels.    The Twelve Apostles.    Baal.     Covenant with Children of Israel.    David &
Goliath.   Eden, Gardens of.    The Gospels.    Isaac.

I'll leave it there for now but there's a heck of a lot more.

Guest wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:and still we are waiting for walter to come through on his threat to "show us"

i still see no sumarian myths that appear in the qur'an

like i said folks the only way to expose liars and fools is to ask them to share their knoweldge with you.

come on walter, you have been threatening me all day with threats to prove me wrong, so go ahead, lets see their sumarian legends and then lets see the suras in the qur'an where they reappear

every thing else is irrelevant, all that matters is what you claimed and are now unable to back up

Are you fucking kidding me you fuckwit?

Are you telling me the story of the flood is not in the Quran or Adam?

Seriously walk away you pathetic idiot, if you cannot see the stories originate in Sumerian and then are adpated in later the bible and the Quran you truly are an idiot.

Now I have given the same examples of which each time you have come up with feeble deflections and even your fans cannot save you the embarressment you are making for yourself here


Now last chance fuckwit, disprove my point or I shall leave you standing looking the fuckwit you are

Someone has sand in his fanny

You gonna man up and provide the proof to your wild claims or carrying on waffling??

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I don't judge all Brits by the few nasty ones here, but it's a struggle, to be honest.

It's becoming quite difficult not to judge Americans in a negative way by the ones here too - and Australians.

I've never seen anything so arrogant as a presumptuous Brit, when he want to be. Because of that there are some who wouldn't mind untying your boat.

My experience on this thread with conservative Brits teaches me that no one is more coddled and parochial, and hence ignorant, than such a Tory. Y'all think the world is all pink and blue, like your nursery when you were young. Y'all live on an island, fcs. Get out and get some experience in the real world.

"Get some experience of the real world" says the big man hunched over his computer, I would think it would be a novel experience for you to get to the end of your road. As for experience I 'v seen more in a day than you have in your miserable existence. Silly little boy.

eddie wrote:Hmmm well seeing as the majority of Brit-bathers hate the the Brits for "bashing" other people......

See where I'm going with this too?

I'm not perfect, edds, just telling you about what's going on with me. I haven't listened to the Beatles, which were once my favorite group, in ages. Haven't watched Doctor Who in ages. The hateful, ignorant Brits we have on this site are putting a real bad taste in my mouth when I think about the UK, a place that I always thought was really cool before I started this godforsaken oral cancer of a news forum. I've encountered so many abysmally stupid and hate-filled British people here, I'm just about positive it has changed me.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Hmmm well seeing as the majority of Brit-bathers hate the the Brits for "bashing" other people......

See where I'm going with this too?

I'm not perfect, edds, just telling you about what's going on with me. I haven't listened to the Beatles, which were once my favorite group, in ages. Haven't watched Doctor Who in ages. The hateful, ignorant Brits we have on this site are putting a real bad taste in my mouth when I think about the UK, a place that I always thought was really cool before I started this godforsaken oral cancer of a news forum. I've encountered so many abysmally stupid and hate-filled British people here, I'm just about positive it has changed me.

Dry your eyes ben, we have enough wet weather here without you crying us a river

smelly-bandit wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Hmmm well seeing as the majority of Brit-bathers hate the the Brits for "bashing" other people......

See where I'm going with this too?

I'm not perfect, edds, just telling you about what's going on with me. I haven't listened to the Beatles, which were once my favorite group, in ages. Haven't watched Doctor Who in ages. The hateful, ignorant Brits we have on this site are putting a real bad taste in my mouth when I think about the UK, a place that I always thought was really cool before I started this godforsaken oral cancer of a news forum. I've encountered so many abysmally stupid and hate-filled British people here, I'm just about positive it has changed me.

Dry your eyes ben, we have enough wet weather here without you crying us a river

Fuck you, come to Texas.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Hmmm well seeing as the majority of Brit-bathers hate the the Brits for "bashing" other people......

See where I'm going with this too?

I'm not perfect, edds, just telling you about what's going on with me. I haven't listened to the Beatles, which were once my favorite group, in ages. Haven't watched Doctor Who in ages. The hateful, ignorant Brits we have on this site are putting a real bad taste in my mouth when I think about the UK, a place that I always thought was really cool before I started this godforsaken oral cancer of a news forum. I've encountered so many abysmally stupid and hate-filled British people here, I'm just about positive it has changed me.

Don't allow it to Ben. You, like me, are an open minded guy. I'm sure if I exchanged views only with Fox News viewing, tea party Republican voters then I'd get an equally skewed view of Americans. The RW Brits we have here are not representative of Britain at large- at least not in my experience (with people from all ends of the political spectrum). They are a hyper vocal minority who cry themselves to sleep because most people would tell them to STFU if they expressed their hate in public (and rightly so). You know that Britain isn't made up of the kind of people you are referring to. It's made up of accepting people by and large, as I'm sure is the case in most parts of America. Remember we condemn those who judge Muslims by extremists and minorities by the actions of criminals. Keep that in mind

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Hmmm well seeing as the majority of Brit-bathers hate the the Brits for "bashing" other people......

See where I'm going with this too?

I'm not perfect, edds, just telling you about what's going on with me. I haven't listened to the Beatles, which were once my favorite group, in ages. Haven't watched Doctor Who in ages. The hateful, ignorant Brits we have on this site are putting a real bad taste in my mouth when I think about the UK, a place that I always thought was really cool before I started this godforsaken oral cancer of a news forum. I've encountered so many abysmally stupid and hate-filled British people here, I'm just about positive it has changed me.

Oh for fucks sake grow a pair you whining child! Why don't you for once man up ?

Maybe he should just blanket ban a tonne of people Nems? I know that if I set up a forum, for me and my friends, to discuss news, only to have the forum massively take on a bunch of people, some with views I found beneath contempt- I'd have zero hesitation in banning everyone who I didn't personally want there, or felt was a cause of trouble.

NOT because I'd be against free speech. Because I'm not. But because (hypothetically) I set up a forum, for MY friends, to discuss things MY way, without being pissed off by people I didn't particularly like.

Ben could go on one of many forums with various views. But this is HIS forum. He doesn't have to answer to anyone. Yet he does, out of his own decency, and he has been immensely tolerant of people giving him all kinds of shit considering he has no obligation to.