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Parents Charged With Killing Son In Church

A teenager is killed and his brother is seriously hurt in a so-called "counselling session" aimed at getting them to confess sins.

19:03, UK, Wednesday 14 October 2015
Bruce Leonard and his wife Deborah Leonard are charged in the beating death of their 19-year-old son



A couple have been charged with fatally beating their 19-year-old son in an apparent "counselling session" at a church in central New York

Bruce Leonard, 65, and 59-year-old Deborah Leonard are charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of their son Lucas.

Four other members of the Word of Life Church in New Hartford were charged with assault for the attack that also left Lucas' younger brother, Christopher, seriously injured.

Authorities said the beatings were part of what parishioners referred to as a "counselling session".
David Morey, 26, of Utica Linda Morey, 54, are charged with felony second-degree assault

David Morey, 26, and Linda Morey, 54, pleaded not guilty to assault

New Hartford Police Chief Michael Inserra said the teens were subjected to hours of physical punishment "in hopes that each would confess to prior sins and ask for forgiveness".

Investigators are still looking into what the supposed sins were, Chief Inserra said.

Officers responded to the church at about 12.30pm on Monday after family members brought Lucas to hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, are charged with felony second-degree assault

Sarah Ferguson, 33, and Joseph Irwin, 26, were also charged

State and local officials cordoned off the church and began interviewing parishioners.

Several children found inside were turned over to child welfare officials, police said.

Authorities said Lucas and Christopher suffered injuries to their abdomens, genitals, backs and thighs.

Christopher, 17, remains in hospital in serious condition, Chief Inserra told a news conference on Wednesday.

The teens' parents pleaded not guilty at their arraignment on Tuesday and are being held in Oneida County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bail each.

Lawyers for the couple declined to comment on the case.

David Morey, 26, Linda Morey, 54, Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, were ordered held on $50,000 bail. All four pleaded not guilty to a felony count of second-degree assault.


from "http://news.sky.com/story/1569536/parents-charged-with-killing-son-in-church"



If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

stardesk wrote:Dibs, Raggy, Smelly, you've all missed the point I was making, which is that Islam and Christianity have the same roots, and those roots are badly flawed. Any differences, which there are, are due to the cultural
and historical differences between the different races.

It is the ROOTS you need to study and be aware of, for there you will find a sheer fantasy leading to doubts about God.

Hi Stardesk

The Aten worship is to me the root cause that led the other religions

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:lol so your ONLY point was the family unit of the magic sky giant?

Who has trouble reading raggs?

Again IF i don't believe the magic sky giant exists the point about Jesus being his actual son of metaphorical son is completely irrelevant.  

So thanks for Proving that IF you are not Christian or Muslim then the religions are basically identical...

If I wasn't a Christian or Muslim - or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or whatever Victor is, I wouldn't be thinking about religion at all would I?

Perhaps you should think about it less - it seems to wind you up and make you very aggressive.

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

I made that very point on another thread; they're like Jehovah's witnesses knock-knock- knocking on your door trying to convert you to atheism.
Boring.
Irritating.
Pointless.

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

I made that very point on another thread; they're like Jehovah's witnesses knock-knock- knocking on your door trying to convert you to atheism.
Boring.
Irritating.
Pointless.

Wow wow wewow

Look who is in a fighting mood

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

I made that very point on another thread; they're like Jehovah's witnesses knock-knock- knocking on your door trying to convert you to atheism.
Boring.
Irritating.
Pointless.

As boring as the religious threads, which are promoting bullshit, but that is okay to you where you protect religious sensitivities.
This is a forum, not a platform for any beliefs, if you put them up to be considered, then they will be ridiculed rightly so for the idiotic man made myths that form them.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

I made that very point on another thread; they're like Jehovah's witnesses knock-knock- knocking on your door trying to convert you to atheism.
Boring.
Irritating.
Pointless.

As boring as the religious threads, which are promoting bullshit, but that is okay to you where you protect religious sensitivities.
This is a forum, not a platform for any beliefs, if you put them up to be considered, then they will be ridiculed rightly so for the idiotic man made myths that form them.

Ah so then, knock yourself out. Knock-knock-knocking on everyone's door.

If you want to convert people to atheism then don't forget your two mates Zack and SM in the process, otherwise you're just showing favouritism.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


As boring as the religious threads, which are promoting bullshit, but that is okay to you where you protect religious sensitivities.
This is a forum, not a platform for any beliefs, if you put them up to be considered, then they will be ridiculed rightly so for the idiotic man made myths that form them.

Ah so then, knock yourself out. Knock-knock-knocking on everyone's door.

If you want to convert people to atheism then don't forget your two mates Zack and SM in the process, otherwise you're just showing favouritism.

Favouritism or bigotry

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


As boring as the religious threads, which are promoting bullshit, but that is okay to you where you protect religious sensitivities.
This is a forum, not a platform for any beliefs, if you put them up to be considered, then they will be ridiculed rightly so for the idiotic man made myths that form them.

Ah so then, knock yourself out. Knock-knock-knocking on everyone's door.

If you want to convert people to atheism then don't forget your two mates Zack and SM in the process, otherwise you're just showing favouritism.

Not looking to convert anyone, which if it may have escaped your attention, what do you think a devotional threads intention is, if not to convert

Doh

I have for a very long time showed religion is shit, which both sexy and zack are well aware of, or did you miss the last one, where sexy was annoyed when I said Islam was bullshit?

So stop being a pathetic shit stirrer Eddie, that is all you seem to do these days.

Now unless its not against the rules and its clear you are showing favoritism to religious insensitivities, then I shall be as polite as possible

Get stuffed

You said Islam was bullshit??

My brave little hero.

Of course let's not forget the months and years you have spent defending Islam (a religion) from what you referred to as spreading hate

smelly-bandit wrote:You said Islam was bullshit??

My brave little hero.

Of course let's not forget the months and years you have spent defending Islam (a religion) from what you referred to as spreading hate

lol there is a difference when correcting an idiot suich as yourself on religion, as has often happened on Islam. I can still show you are incorrect and think the religion is bullshit

That is the difference Dalek

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


As boring as the religious threads, which are promoting bullshit, but that is okay to you where you protect religious sensitivities.
This is a forum, not a platform for any beliefs, if you put them up to be considered, then they will be ridiculed rightly so for the idiotic man made myths that form them.

Ah so then, knock yourself out. Knock-knock-knocking on everyone's door.

If you want to convert people to atheism then don't forget your two mates Zack and SM in the process, otherwise you're just showing favouritism.

Not looking to convert anyone, which if it may have escaped your attention, what do you think a devotional threads intention is, if not to convert

Doh

I have for a very long time showed religion is shit, which both sexy and zack are well aware of, or did you miss the last one, where sexy was annoyed when I said Islam was bullshit?

So stop being a pathetic shit stirrer Eddie, that is all you seem to do these days.

Now unless its not against the rules and its clear you are showing favoritism to religious insensitivities, then I shall be as polite as possible

Get stuffed

Shit-stirring? Says one wooden spoon to another.....
Get stiffed yourself. Stuff yourself full of Christian sandwiches and Q'ran stew

Oh and for some weird reason Veya has a little teeny tiny leash on you hence the reason you're following him around and trolling, yes trolling, the religion threads (I think you missed a couple btw).

But hey, you're bored, and hungry for a little religious pie so I'll leave you to it.
Don't choke on your loaves and fishes

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Not looking to convert anyone, which if it may have escaped your attention, what do you think a devotional threads intention is, if not to convert

Doh

I have for a very long time showed religion is shit, which both sexy and zack are well aware of, or did you miss the last one, where sexy was annoyed when I said Islam was bullshit?

So stop being a pathetic shit stirrer Eddie, that is all you seem to do these days.

Now unless its not against the rules and its clear you are showing favoritism to religious insensitivities, then I shall be as polite as possible

Get stuffed

Shit-stirring? Says one wooden spoon to another.....  
Get stiffed yourself. Stuff yourself full of Christian sandwiches  and Q'ran stew

Oh and for some weird reason Veya has a little teeny tiny  leash on you hence the reason you're following him around and trolling, yes trolling, the religion threads (I think you missed a couple btw).

But hey, you're bored, and hungry for a little religious pie so I'll leave you to it.
Don't choke on your loaves and fishes  

Nah I just get bored of your bias Eddie how you seek to protect religious insensitivites.


So you want to bitch about Veya which have have done since you came back online on nearly every thread.

Seriously who needs enemies with people like you Eddie?

Like I say you are a best a immature child that seeks to protect other idiots, so you are in good company]

I think anyone who goes around trolling people for their beliefs is either:

Slightly hysterical
Overly secretly religious
In need of a suck off their Dyson Hoover


You can choose which one you are.

And it's funny isn't it, how you can debate with others on here and call it a debate, yet when I debate it's always got a label?

There's a word for that.

eddie wrote:I think anyone who goes around trolling people for their beliefs is either:

Slightly hysterical
Overly secretly religious
In need of a suck off their Dyson Hoover


You can choose which one you are.

And it's funny isn't it, how you can debate with others on here and call it a debate, yet when I debate it's always got a label?

There's a word for that.

Which just proves why you are an idiot.

Challenging religious beliefs when they effect the well being and equality of others is of the upmost importance to obtaining equality.


Those starting these threads hold inequality views about groups of people because of their beliefs.

Now of course an idiot like yourself seeks to protect these threads more than any other thread and why?

Because you are a religious idiot also

I'm not religious.

I think if people want to have a thread where they can chat about what they like or believe in, then let them be.

What of people trolled your history threads with loads of silly pictures and loads of bollocks?

You would say "Stop spamming" closely followed by "Post reported"

Seriously. Go plug in your Dyson.

There's an athiest devotional thread, so athiests are protected on here, even though the thread is used to mock religion.

I know the Muslim devotional thread wasn't started by a Muslim, but if they wanted such a thread, I would have no problem with that.

eddie wrote:I'm not religious.

I think if people want to have a thread where they can chat about what they like or believe in, then let them be.

What of people trolled your history threads with loads of silly pictures and loads of bollocks?

You would say "Stop spamming" closely followed by "Post reported"

Seriously. Go plug in your Dyson.

I could not care if people spoilt any history threads, being as that has happened and you have said nothing just further proves my point you look to protect religious insensitivities/

So stop being a hypocritical twat.

I take issue with religious bullshit being promoted.

Now basically that is me telling you to fuck yourself.

People don't have to read the devotional threads, so if they're worried about being "brainwashed", they can just keep off them. I see no reason why people can't have nice threads without them being trolled by idiots like Didge who can't bear to see anyone getting anything out of religion.

I take issue with people promoting religious bullshit, espcially when its because of that religious bullshit they hold prejudiced views.

If people put up religious bullshit, then expect it to be rightfully riducled because its nothing more than bullshit and dangerous bullshit that leads to the word prejudices

Cuchulain wrote:I take issue with people promoting religious bullshit, espcially when its because of that religious bullshit they hold prejudiced views.

If people put up religious bullshit, then expect it to be rightfully riducled because its nothing more than bullshit and dangerous bullshit that leads to the word prejudices

Oh fuck off with your nonsense. If you keep trolling the devotional thread, I'll report it. I don't mind reporting stuff at all. I hope that someone will tell you to shut your mouth for once.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:I take issue with people promoting religious bullshit, espcially when its because of that religious bullshit they hold prejudiced views.

If people put up religious bullshit, then expect it to be rightfully riducled because its nothing more than bullshit and dangerous bullshit that leads to the word prejudices

Oh fuck off with your nonsense. If you keep trolling the devotional thread, I'll report it. I don't mind reporting stuff at all. I hope that someone will tell you to shut your mouth for once.

Fuck off yourself you pathetic little brat.

Seriously you think I am going to listen to a fuckinng idiot such as yourself when you listen nobody but yourself.


There is nothing you can do, best you get used to that.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh fuck off with your nonsense. If you keep trolling the devotional thread, I'll report it. I don't mind reporting stuff at all. I hope that someone will tell you to shut your mouth for once.

Fuck off yourself you pathetic little brat.

Seriously you think I am going to listen to a fuckinng idiot such as yourself when you listen nobody but yourself.


There is nothing you can do, best you get used to that.

There is something I can do. If a mod doesn't want to do something, I can't do anything about that of course. As I said, it's time someone told you to shut your stupid mouth and stopped trying to throw your weight around. The truth is that you don't give a shit about the devotional thread, you just like causing trouble.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Fuck off yourself you pathetic little brat.

Seriously you think I am going to listen to a fuckinng idiot such as yourself when you listen nobody but yourself.


There is nothing you can do, best you get used to that.

There is something I can do. If a mod doesn't want to do something, I can't do anything about that of course. As I said, it's time someone told you to shut your stupid mouth and stopped trying to throw your weight around. The truth is that you don't give a shit about the devotional thread, you just like causing trouble.

I certainly do not give a shit about an idiot such as yourself and I find these threads nothing more than an insult, because many of the things preached in this religion is appalling.
How anyone can claim to be a nice thread is nothing short of idiotic, as the faith is barbaric and centuries of history shows this.

Now best you get used to this fact.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There is something I can do. If a mod doesn't want to do something, I can't do anything about that of course. As I said, it's time someone told you to shut your stupid mouth and stopped trying to throw your weight around. The truth is that you don't give a shit about the devotional thread, you just like causing trouble.

I certainly do not give a shit about an idiot such as yourself and I find these threads nothing more than an insult, because many of the things preached in this religion is appalling.
How anyone can claim to be a nice thread is nothing short of idiotic, as the faith is barbaric and centuries of history shows this.

Now best you get used to this fact.

It's best if you get used to me pulling you up for your troublemaking and your bigotry. You're a disgusting, horrible, jealous twat who hates anyone having faith in something you don't like.

Cuchulain wrote:I take issue with people promoting religious bullshit, espcially when its because of that religious bullshit they hold prejudiced views.

If people put up religious bullshit, then expect it to be rightfully riducled because its nothing more than bullshit and dangerous bullshit that leads to the word prejudices

Well that Christian thread has been there a long time and TODAY you feel like trolling it?
Nothing to do with following Veya around then??

Here boy!

I'm so going to remind you of this when you next scream the place down.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


I certainly do not give a shit about an idiot such as yourself and I find these threads nothing more than an insult, because many of the things preached in this religion is appalling.
How anyone can claim to be a nice thread is nothing short of idiotic, as the faith is barbaric and centuries of history shows this.

Now best you get used to this fact.

It's best if you get used to me pulling you up for your troublemaking and your bigotry. You're a disgusting, horrible, jealous twat who hates anyone having faith in something you don't like.

From a fucking low life loser like yourself?
Ha ha ha ha
You are just my entertainment, a toy to play with.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's best if you get used to me pulling you up for your troublemaking and your bigotry. You're a disgusting, horrible, jealous twat who hates anyone having faith in something you don't like.

From a fucking low life loser like yourself?
Ha ha ha ha
You are just my entertainment, a toy to play with.

Now you change your tune and pretend you're just "playing". You really are retarded.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:I'm not religious.

I think if people want to have a thread where they can chat about what they like or believe in, then let them be.

What of people trolled your history threads with loads of silly pictures and loads of bollocks?

You would say "Stop spamming" closely followed by "Post reported"

Seriously. Go plug in your Dyson.

I could not care if people spoilt any history threads, being as that has happened and you have said nothing just further proves my point you look to protect religious insensitivities/

So stop being a hypocritical twat.

I take issue with religious bullshit being promoted.

Now basically that is me telling you to fuck yourself.

I don't need to fuck myself today.
I have a real live person to do just that to me.

Now plug in your Dyson. They have extra suction so I hear.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


From a fucking low life loser like yourself?
Ha ha ha ha
You are just my entertainment, a toy to play with.

Now you change your tune and pretend you're just "playing". You really are retarded.

With you daily its always about easily winding you up..

The fact you believe using as many insulting words as possible thinks it makes you big, really shows up the lack of intellect you have

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


I could not care if people spoilt any history threads, being as that has happened and you have said nothing just further proves my point you look to protect religious insensitivities/

So stop being a hypocritical twat.

I take issue with religious bullshit being promoted.

Now basically that is me telling you to fuck yourself.

I don't need to fuck myself today.
I have a real live person to do just that to me.

Now plug in your Dyson. They have extra suction so I hear.

So he does not make love to you and just fucks you.

Sorry to hear that.

Now best pick up your spoon love, you need it on every thread you visit

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Now you change your tune and pretend you're just "playing". You really are retarded.

With you daily its always about easily winding you up..

The fact you believe using as many insulting words as possible thinks it makes you big, really shows up the lack of intellect you have

You're the one lacking in intellect. Your brain stopped developing at some point - hence your retardation.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

With you daily its always about easily winding you up..

The fact you believe using as many insulting words as possible thinks it makes you big, really shows up the lack of intellect you have

You're the one lacking in intellect. Your brain stopped developing at some point - hence your retardation.

Thank you for provong my point, that you are that immature and lacking in any intellect.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're the one lacking in intellect. Your brain stopped developing at some point - hence your retardation.

Thank you for provong my point, that you are that immature and lacking in any intellect.

Says the bloke with a mental age of about five, who wants to troll threads just to start arguments. Grow up.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Thank you for provong my point, that you are that immature and lacking in any intellect.

Says the bloke with a mental age of about five, who wants to troll threads just to start arguments. Grow up.

So challenging religious beliefs is now trolling? It does not get anymore idiotic than that
Talk about religious insensitivities to defending an appalling religion.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


I could not care if people spoilt any history threads, being as that has happened and you have said nothing just further proves my point you look to protect religious insensitivities/

So stop being a hypocritical twat.

I take issue with religious bullshit being promoted.

Now basically that is me telling you to fuck yourself.

I don't need to fuck myself today.
I have a real live person to do just that to me.

Now plug in your Dyson. They have extra suction so I hear.

So he does not make love to you and just fucks you.

Sorry to hear that.

Now best pick up your spoon love, you need it on every thread you visit

Hahahahahahaha! Make love???
What are you, a fifteen year old girl????

Hahahahahahaha didge you twat!

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


So he does not make love to you and just fucks you.

Sorry to hear that.

Now best pick up your spoon love, you need it on every thread you visit

Hahahahahahaha! Make love???
What are you, a fifteen year old girl????

Hahahahahahaha didge you twat!

Actually it was brilliant, where you now say you get fucked daily

ha ha ha ha ha

but youre an athiest, your fundamentaly opposed to religion, you , in your own words, think that religion is a "crock of shit"

why on earth do you care about what i say in regards to islam??

seems to me you are rather heavily invested in religion of all varieties.

smelly-bandit wrote:but youre an athiest, your fundamentaly opposed to religion, you , in your own words, think that religion is a "crock of shit"

why on earth do you care about what i say in regards to islam??

seems to me you are rather heavily invested in religion of all varieties.

Because your intent is to sow hatred and divide people with a view of Muslims agaisnt non-Muslims.
You do so from a position to promote hate.

Cuchulain wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:but youre an athiest, your fundamentaly opposed to religion, you , in your own words, think that religion is a "crock of shit"

why on earth do you care about what i say in regards to islam??

seems to me you are rather heavily invested in religion of all varieties.

Because your intent is to sow hatred and divide people with a view of Muslims agaisnt non-Muslims.
You do so from a position to promote hate.

Your intention is to incite hatred of Christians amongst non-Christians, so ...

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


So he does not make love to you and just fucks you.

Sorry to hear that.

Now best pick up your spoon love, you need it on every thread you visit

Hahahahahahaha! Make love???
What are you, a fifteen year old girl????

Hahahahahahaha didge you twat!

Actually it was brilliant, where you now say you get fucked daily

ha ha ha ha ha

Post your sense make doesn't

but you never defend Muslims,you always defend ISLAM

for an athiest you seem to struggle to understand the difference between the religion and the religious

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Actually it was brilliant, where you now say you get fucked daily

ha ha ha ha ha

Post your sense make doesn't

looky you speaky dodgey

smelly-bandit wrote:but you never defend Muslims,you always defend ISLAM

for an athiest you seem to struggle to understand the difference between the religion and the religious

Wrong, correcting is showing you to be wrong. I have not set out to defend anything but correct your ignorance. You seem to fail to grasp motive.
Which with you is always good sport correcting your ignorance

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Actually it was brilliant, where you now say you get fucked daily

ha ha ha ha ha

Post your sense make doesn't

looky you speaky dodgey

Hence your poor defection on my post to show your poor reasoning ha ha take your time dummy.


Yes!!!! I really can!!

lol eddie must be wound up replying to smelly as if me ha ha ha

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

looky you speaky dodgey

Hence your poor defection on my post to show your poor reasoning ha ha take your time dummy.


Yes!!!!  I really can!!

thus as seen, you use poor fear arguments, hence you defect from my points.

look at us!!!!


grand master in the art of dodgey english

Cuchulain wrote:lol eddie must be wound up replying to smelly as if me ha ha ha

It is fun isn't it? As seen.

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

Hence your poor defection on my post to show your poor reasoning ha ha take your time dummy.


Yes!!!!  I really can!!

thus as seen, you use poor fear arguments, hence you defect from my points.

look at us!!!!


grand master in the art of dodgey english

 

Says the man who openly admits to using a spellcheck

doh

That means your English is dodgy to

Cuchulain wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

thus as seen, you use poor fear arguments, hence you defect from my points.

look at us!!!!


grand master in the art of dodgey english

 

Says the man who openly admits to using a spellcheck

doh

That means your English is dodgy to

He deals in jingosim, so of course that's all he understands. He can't string two ideas together, so don't expect him to express himself intelligently.

Original Quill wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Says the man who openly admits to using a spellcheck

doh

That means your English is dodgy to

He deals in jingosim, so of course that's all he understands.  He can't string two ideas together, so don't expect him to express himself intelligently.

my english is prefect walter, my typing is dodgy