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Parents Charged With Killing Son In Church

A teenager is killed and his brother is seriously hurt in a so-called "counselling session" aimed at getting them to confess sins.

19:03, UK, Wednesday 14 October 2015
Bruce Leonard and his wife Deborah Leonard are charged in the beating death of their 19-year-old son



A couple have been charged with fatally beating their 19-year-old son in an apparent "counselling session" at a church in central New York

Bruce Leonard, 65, and 59-year-old Deborah Leonard are charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of their son Lucas.

Four other members of the Word of Life Church in New Hartford were charged with assault for the attack that also left Lucas' younger brother, Christopher, seriously injured.

Authorities said the beatings were part of what parishioners referred to as a "counselling session".
David Morey, 26, of Utica Linda Morey, 54, are charged with felony second-degree assault

David Morey, 26, and Linda Morey, 54, pleaded not guilty to assault

New Hartford Police Chief Michael Inserra said the teens were subjected to hours of physical punishment "in hopes that each would confess to prior sins and ask for forgiveness".

Investigators are still looking into what the supposed sins were, Chief Inserra said.

Officers responded to the church at about 12.30pm on Monday after family members brought Lucas to hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, are charged with felony second-degree assault

Sarah Ferguson, 33, and Joseph Irwin, 26, were also charged

State and local officials cordoned off the church and began interviewing parishioners.

Several children found inside were turned over to child welfare officials, police said.

Authorities said Lucas and Christopher suffered injuries to their abdomens, genitals, backs and thighs.

Christopher, 17, remains in hospital in serious condition, Chief Inserra told a news conference on Wednesday.

The teens' parents pleaded not guilty at their arraignment on Tuesday and are being held in Oneida County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bail each.

Lawyers for the couple declined to comment on the case.

David Morey, 26, Linda Morey, 54, Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, were ordered held on $50,000 bail. All four pleaded not guilty to a felony count of second-degree assault.


from "http://news.sky.com/story/1569536/parents-charged-with-killing-son-in-church"



If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

see you over on the RIP europe thread walter.

i got some fear mongering stories to post up

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

'A' leads to 'B' shows two elements and a relationship between them.  It is a template for a proposition or claim.  It is proper way to build an argument...you are saying or arguing something about the real world.

On the other hand, when you state nonsense like ...you yellow-bellied, blood-sucking lefty..., which is the kind of stuff you do so often smells, you're just cursing, and at best branding someone you are arguing with.  You are not saying something about the real world.

An adjective is a word that modifies a noun.  It's a word that adds a color or character according to the speaker's opinion.  E.g.= I have a warm coat.  The coat is the noun, and 'warm' is the modifying adjective...the way I feel about my coat.  Now, 2nd e.g. = you lefties are ignorant people.  The noun is 'people' and the modifier is 'ignorant'.  But again, you are just stating your subjective opinion.

In both cases you are just stating your subjectivity.  Who cares?  You are not saying anything about the real world, so you can't be making an argument.  You're just throwing about adjectives, and being impotent (read as: 'dickless') about the real world.

If you were to say give everyone a warm coat and they will work, you are finally stating an argument...a proposition.  You are saying 'A' (warm coat) is 'B' (leads to everyone working productively)...an argument.  You don't make arguments; you just make cat-calls.

Now we all use adjectives to color our arguments.  But dude, that's all you got.  Conservatives fill their sentences with only adjectives.  It's like having the paint, with no surface to apply it on.  Ya got no stuff.

the real world??

what would you know about that quill??

let be honest, you live your life through books and google,and when faced with the real world  your default response is "i doubt that" or some other kind of dismissal of reality because thats not what it says in your books, that is exactly what your arguments are based on - denial and dimissal.

you doubt that people are being killed with any great frequency in syria.

you dont understand the concept of proxy warfare and dismissed the fact that the US are funding and helping ISIS despite being shown evidence

you completely deny the negativie consequences of the immigrant crisis in europe despite once again being shown multiple events and incidents where europeans specifcally germans are having their world turned upside down because of the crisis

you dont say A is B

No, you just proved you don't engage in real argument (A is B), smells.  You say I don't live in the real world, yet as an attorney I have litigated such issues as the crash of the Space Shuttle Challenger, I have pursued US undercover operations such as Fast & Furious (gunwalking scandal), and helped close illegal operations of the FLDS.  Not real enough for you?  And what have you been doing lately, smells, besides hanging out in chat rooms in your dirty underwear?

I do not doubt that people are dying in Syria; that whole claim is just another 'adjective' that you invented.  As are these: I understand proxy warfare quite well, and I am presently watching Russia in Syria, serving as our proxy Big Dog in that fight.  I don't "deny the negativie consequences of the immigrant crisis in europe"; I am quite involved and feel that Europeans are being parsimonious and mean-spirited to deny sanctuary to the refugees.  As with these issues above, you haven't raised arguments, but simply hurled curses and epithets.  You have engaged in hollow adjectives.

smelly-bandit wrote:you say "I dont understand A therefore i  feel that A doesnt exists or that it is irrelevant, therefore only B matters"

B in your world translates to "the republicans did it"

Well, does that mean that you deny that the Iraq war ever took place?  Or do you just deny that it was started by a Republican?  

Do you see?  Even here you haven't reasoned through your own thoughts.  You are engaging in 'bowel urges' are you not?  You are simply tossing out what you think are painful adjectives, without  a scintilla of thought given to where they fit in, and what they say.  Isn't that the very example of what I have been saying conservatives do?  Bingo!

smelly-bandit wrote:If I were to say give everyone a warm coat and they will work,I would be saying 'A' (warm coat) is 'B' (leads to everyone working productively)...an argument.

your response would be "if the republicans didnt steal the warm coats in the first place we wouldnt need to give everyone one"

Haha...Is that an admission?  Because as an argument it is meaningless.  More adjectives?  The 'warm coat' metaphor was an example, and you can't even manage that correctly.  The proper adverse argument to the 'warm coat' thesis would be: No, giving everyone a warm coat wouldn't cause more productivity.     You didn't even understand the metaphor within the argument, did you?

Smells wrote:youre a one track record and no matter what you say,no matter how wicked youre web, the weave always leads back to one thing - the republicans , who you see are the creator of all the worlds woes.

Misquoting Walter Scott won't save you.  Here's what he really said:

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive!"
-- Walter Scott

Scott said the web was "tangled", not that it leads back to "republicans".  You are arguing 'clarity', not tangled.  Your own counter-metaphor, and you can't even get that right!!  I have to straighten out your arguments, too??    Oh lord, forgive me, but my belly foldeth over with mirth.

sure walter mitty

youre a legal clerk who worked on the international space station and had a cameo role on the fast and the furious 8 movie - "more faster and more furiouser"

do you know who shot JFK?? was it a republican??

are the aliens in area 51 really naughty republicans in costume??

youre a joke to me quill, i enjoy watching you flap about shrieking about the republicans in the shadows and under your bed, i enjoy watching you posture and puff your chest out and list your degrees,achievements and accolades followed almost immediately by you making a fool of yourself whenever real world issue are discussed

the issue of syria and how obama was arming isis, you were

"eh what?? proxy warfare?? whats that?? why would the US arm ISIS??"

I stared in speechless wonder on the issue of people dying in syria as you declare "i doubt it happens with any frequency"

how at least ive taught a new song, now you can alternate between shouting about the republicans and my use of adjectives, not just a one trick pony eh quill, you keep this up and we will have you sitting up and fetching slippers in no time.

and there i was thinking that you cant teach an old dog new tricks

smelly-bandit wrote:sure walter mitty

youre a legal clerk who worked on the international space station and had a cameo role on the fast and the furious 8 movie - "more faster and more furiouser"

do you know who shot JFK?? was it a republican??

are the aliens in area 51 really naughty republicans in costume??

You're not even very imaginative in the adjectives, are you?  "Legal clerk?"  "International space station?"  "Movie?"  I'd be willing to bet you didn't even google those things, you are so lazy.  You could find out what "fast and furious" is with two keystrokes...but even that is too much for you!

smells wrote:youre a joke to me quill, i enjoy watching you flap about shrieking about the republicans in the shadows and under your bed, i enjoy watching you posture and puff your chest out and list your degrees,achievements and accolades followed almost immediately by you making a fool of yourself whenever real world issue are discussed

Adjectives, smells...more adjectives?  "A joke"?  I enjoy watching a monkey laugh too, but it doesn't upset me.

smells wrote:the issue of syria and how obama was arming isis, you were  

"eh what?? proxy warfare?? whats that?? why would the US arm ISIS??"

I stared in speechless wonder on the issue of people dying in syria as you declare  "i doubt it happens with any frequency"

how at least ive taught a new song, now you can alternate between shouting about the republicans and my use of adjectives, not just a one trick pony eh quill, you keep this up and we will have you sitting up and fetching slippers in no time.

and there i was thinking that you cant teach an old dog new tricks    

That was a hodge-podge of mixed metaphors if I ever saw one.  The 'frequency' comment had to do with a single incident.  Are we going to fast for you?  "Republicans"?  "Your use of adjectives"?  "One trick pony"?  "Fetching slippers"?  It all runs together, doesn't it Dad?

Warm milk, and take a blood-pressure pill.  You get too excited and you could have a stroke.

I think youre projecting your own frustrations and your insecurities quill.

does it help you to think of me as an old man?? do you take comfort from picturing me all flustered and angry at your spectacular wit and intellect??

wow, youre in for a dissapointing anti-climax

but lets say that you are a lawyer who worked on some big american cases that i have no interest in, it still doesnt mean much does it??

in fact it means the opposite,it means youre niche not mainstream, youre so insular you didnt even understand the concept of proxy warfare (though i imagine youre a google expert on the subject by now) which lets face it quill is rather more important to current world events than some case you worked on once upon a time in the distant past.

you dont even know that iraq and syria are seperate countries,you have zero comprehesion of how ISIS came to be and seem to think that if you fit as many words, regardless of quality, into as small a space as possible it is a suitable substitute for actual constructive conversation

its not.

you are correct,I dont engage you in argument,for the simple fact that its not possible to have a decent argument with you, but it is fun to watch you and your crusade for self-aggrandizement.

(how many adjectives did i use that time??)

smells wrote:you are correct, I dont engage you in argument,for the simple fact that its not possible to have a decent argument with you, but it is fun to watch you and your crusade for self-aggrandizement.

You don't because you are unable to construct a valid argument.  You deal in a world of whistles and bells...jingos and epithets.

I've just spent two healthy posts giving you lessons on how to make a cogent argument, and you are still into your random adjectives and gut-urges.

Next time you have any advice for me, put it in the form of a decent argument.  Maybe then I'll respect you.

I love this kind of arguement, it gives us the opportunity to present the facts for those who disagree. HF said earlier 'they are separate religions you have been shown that but you are to stupid to see it, you lump all religion together because it offends your queer lifestyle.'

HF and everyone interested, I've said before and say again, the Koran, thus Islamic teaching, contains most of the stories and characters in the Old Testament. Islam, like Christianity, is based on the foundations of the Bible, which is of course Genesis, in which we find stories that would appeal to sci-fi and fantasy readers and writers. A faith, like a building, needs a firm foundation otherwise it will eventually collapse. As said, some of the Genesis accounts are simply not true and, geologically, just not possible, otherwise we'd not be here today and neither would our planet.

Any differences between Christianity and Islam are due to individual interpretation, ideology, cultural way of life
etc.

Right, let's see what kind of feed-back I get while I make a coffee. TTFN.

Star, I 100% agree with you.

stardesk wrote:I love this kind of arguement, it gives us the opportunity to present the facts for those who disagree. HF said earlier 'they are separate religions you have been shown that but you are to stupid to see it, you lump all religion together because it offends your queer lifestyle.'

HF and everyone interested, I've said before and say again, the Koran, thus Islamic teaching, contains most of the stories and characters in the Old Testament. Islam, like Christianity, is based on the foundations of the Bible, which is of course Genesis, in which we find stories that would appeal to sci-fi and fantasy readers and writers. A faith, like a building, needs a firm foundation otherwise it will eventually collapse. As said, some of the Genesis accounts are simply not true and, geologically, just not possible, otherwise we'd not be here today and neither would our planet.

Any differences between Christianity and Islam are due to individual interpretation, ideology, cultural way of life
etc.

Right, let's see what kind of feed-back I get while I make a coffee. TTFN.

You're forgetting a massive difference. Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and Muslims don't.

Big difference between islam and Christianity , as Raggs pointed out Christians believe Jesus is the son of God , we also believe the Trinity .

Really, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are like the Catholic and Orthodox churches, except they have more disagreements. It's not like they worship separate gods or anything:

Jews: "God's son has not come yet, it wasn't Jesus."

Christians: "Jesus is the son of God."

Muslims: "God doesn't even have a son!"

If I thought a movie was great and you thought it was bad, that doesn't mean we're talking about different movies.

Original Quill wrote:

smells wrote:you are correct, I dont engage you in argument,for the simple fact that its not possible to have a decent argument with you, but it is fun to watch you and your crusade for self-aggrandizement.

You don't because you are unable to construct a valid argument.  You deal in a world of whistles and bells...jingos and epithets.

I've just spent two healthy posts giving you lessons on how to make a cogent argument, and you are still into your random adjectives and gut-urges.

Next time you have any advice for me, put it in the form of a decent argument.  Maybe then I'll respect you.

What?????

You're saying you don't already respect me??

I shall cry myself to sleep tonight.

stardesk wrote:I love this kind of arguement, it gives us the opportunity to present the facts for those who disagree. HF said earlier 'they are separate religions you have been shown that but you are to stupid to see it, you lump all religion together because it offends your queer lifestyle.'

HF and everyone interested, I've said before and say again, the Koran, thus Islamic teaching, contains most of the stories and characters in the Old Testament. Islam, like Christianity, is based on the foundations of the Bible, which is of course Genesis, in which we find stories that would appeal to sci-fi and fantasy readers and writers. A faith, like a building, needs a firm foundation otherwise it will eventually collapse. As said, some of the Genesis accounts are simply not true and, geologically, just not possible, otherwise we'd not be here today and neither would our planet.

Any differences between Christianity and Islam are due to individual interpretation, ideology, cultural way of life
etc.

Right, let's see what kind of feed-back I get while I make a coffee. TTFN.

Stardesk for a person so interested in religious theology ,you seem almost completely ignorant of religious theology

you write a book and had a character called Phil who climbed Everest before getting married to kim and having two kids,Andy and Sarah

I read your book and then write a book ,with the same character called Phil but say instead that he climbed k2 and nevr married but had a brother called Andrew and a sister called Cindy

Would you think we were taking about the same person in the same story??

Ben_Reilly wrote:Really, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are like the Catholic and Orthodox churches, except they have more disagreements. It's not like they worship separate gods or anything:

Jews: "God's son has not come yet, it wasn't Jesus."

Christians: "Jesus is the son of God."

Muslims: "God doesn't even have a son!"

If I thought a movie was great and you thought it was bad, that doesn't mean we're talking about different movies.

You don't seem to understand the basic and vast differences.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Really, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are like the Catholic and Orthodox churches, except they have more disagreements. It's not like they worship separate gods or anything:

Jews: "God's son has not come yet, it wasn't Jesus."

Christians: "Jesus is the son of God."

Muslims: "God doesn't even have a son!"

If I thought a movie was great and you thought it was bad, that doesn't mean we're talking about different movies.

You don't seem to understand the basic and vast differences.

there is none he explained it exactly

all three groups of Dumb asses think there is this magic Sky giant, they disagree of the exact nature of his family unit, apart form that the same.

what difference? does one not think there is a magic sky giant controlling everything?

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You don't seem to understand the basic and vast differences.

there is none he explained it exactly

all three groups of Dumb asses think there is this magic Sky giant, they disagree of the exact nature of his family unit, apart form that the same.

what difference? does one not think there is a magic sky giant controlling everything?

You seem to have trouble reading, as well as understanding the basic and vast differences. That's the trouble with "ex-Christians" and militant athiests - they don't understand anything.

You're not in a position to tell anyone they're dumb ... not without looking like a hypocrite anyway.

yeah WHAT?
please tell me the difference? besides the family unit of the magic sky giant

Go on I challenge any Abrahamaist to.

I have read all 3 something It is very apparent most people have not, many have not even read the one they say they believe.

And NOT atheist, pantheist/polytheist currently

veya_victaous wrote:yeah WHAT?
please tell me the difference? besides the family unit of the magic sky giant

Go on I challenge any Abrahamaist to.

I have read all 3 something It is very apparent most people have not, many have not even read the one they say they believe.

And NOT atheist, pantheist/polytheist currently

You really do have trouble reading, don't you?

You're forgetting a massive difference. Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and Muslims don't.

lol so your ONLY point was the family unit of the magic sky giant?

Who has trouble reading raggs?

Again IF i don't believe the magic sky giant exists the point about Jesus being his actual son of metaphorical son is completely irrelevant.  

So thanks for Proving that IF you are not Christian or Muslim then the religions are basically identical...

veya_victaous wrote:yeah WHAT?
please tell me the difference? besides the family unit of the magic sky giant

Go on I challenge any Abrahamaist to.

I have read all 3 something It is very apparent most people have not, many have not even read the one they say they believe.

And NOT atheist, pantheist/polytheist currently

BULLSHIT!!!!!

you havent read any of the religious books, nevermind all 3.

its a bit pointless continuing a conversation with a person who needs to use outright lies.

veya_victaous wrote:lol so your ONLY point was the family unit of the magic sky giant?

Who has trouble reading raggs?

Again IF i don't believe the magic sky giant exists the point about Jesus being his actual son of metaphorical son is completely irrelevant.  

So thanks for Proving that IF you are not Christian or Muslim then the religions are basically identical...

If I wasn't a Christian or Muslim - or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or whatever Victor is, I wouldn't be thinking about religion at all would I?

Perhaps you should think about it less - it seems to wind you up and make you very aggressive.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:lol so your ONLY point was the family unit of the magic sky giant?

Who has trouble reading raggs?

Again IF i don't believe the magic sky giant exists the point about Jesus being his actual son of metaphorical son is completely irrelevant.  

So thanks for Proving that IF you are not Christian or Muslim then the religions are basically identical...

If I wasn't a Christian or Muslim - or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or whatever Victor is, I wouldn't be thinking about religion at all would I?

Perhaps you should think about it less - it seems to wind you up and make you very aggressive.

Considering religion is rammed home in many countries, plus the many problems it brings, where it makes rational people place something make belief above their own families. Is a tad difficult not to think about how religion is nothing but a massive problem.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:lol so your ONLY point was the family unit of the magic sky giant?

Who has trouble reading raggs?

Again IF i don't believe the magic sky giant exists the point about Jesus being his actual son of metaphorical son is completely irrelevant.  

So thanks for Proving that IF you are not Christian or Muslim then the religions are basically identical...

If I wasn't a Christian or Muslim - or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or whatever Victor is, I wouldn't be thinking about religion at all would I?

Perhaps you should think about it less - it seems to wind you up and make you very aggressive.

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

If I wasn't a Christian or Muslim - or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or whatever Victor is, I wouldn't be thinking about religion at all would I?

Perhaps you should think about it less - it seems to wind you up and make you very aggressive.

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

The ones on here certainly seem to be. I don't encounter that sort of nonsense in real life.

Well when as seen religion is so damaging to people, where it makes them do things they would otheriwse not do, then most rational people will question why people need to follow such backward beliefs.
I mean lets face it, the reason that many people do believe is they are shit scared of death and if nothing follows. Fear drives them to believe in the most ridiculous things. The reality is for too long religion has been given a free pass to dictate and force its views onto peoples lives. Well not anymore, it should be a personal belief and nothing more.

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

i think you will find that most self confessed athiests are obsessed with religion and god

The ones on here certainly seem to be. I don't encounter that sort of nonsense in real life.

yeah alot of my frineds are athiests (even though they all got married in church) and they dont bang on and on and on and on and on about it

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The ones on here certainly seem to be. I don't encounter that sort of nonsense in real life.

yeah alot of my frineds are athiests (even though they all got married in church) and they dont bang on and on and on and on and on about it

I don't even really know if my friends are atheists or not - we simply don't discuss it. I have one friend who is a JW, and any interest I've taken in that has been completely voluntary - she has never forced her ideas onto me.

Cuchulain wrote:Well when as seen religion is so damaging to people, where it makes them do things they would otheriwse not do, then most rational people will question why people need to follow such backward beliefs.
I mean lets face it, the reason that many people do believe is they are shit scared of death and if nothing follows. Fear drives them to believe in the most ridiculous things. The reality is for too long religion has been given a free pass to dictate and force its views onto peoples lives. Well not anymore, it should be a personal belief and nothing more.

And yet you're constantly banging on about it , and if its a personal belief then why not leave us who do believe alone ??

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Well when as seen religion is so damaging to people, where it makes them do things they would otheriwse not do, then most rational people will question why people need to follow such backward beliefs.
I mean lets face it, the reason that many people do believe is they are shit scared of death and if nothing follows. Fear drives them to believe in the most ridiculous things. The reality is for too long religion has been given a free pass to dictate and force its views onto peoples lives. Well not anymore, it should be a personal belief and nothing more.

And yet you're constantly banging on about it , and if its a personal belief then why not leave us who do believe alone ??

By personal, means keeping to yourself.
You do not keep your beliefs to yourself, you thus open yourself up to having those views challenged

Cuchulain wrote:

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

And yet you're constantly banging on about it , and if its a personal belief then why not leave us who do believe alone ??

By personal, means keeping to yourself.
You do not keep your beliefs to yourself, you thus open yourself up to having those views challenged

So what's the difference in your views then , you should keep them to yourself they're personal beliefs too

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

By personal, means keeping to yourself.
You do not keep your beliefs to yourself, you thus open yourself up to having those views challenged

So what's the difference in your views then , you should keep them to yourself they're personal beliefs too

I do not moan or whing about people attacking my views as you do.

That is the difference.

Cuchulain wrote:

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

So what's the difference in your views then , you should keep them to yourself they're personal beliefs too

I do not moan or whing about people attacking my views as you do.

That is the difference.

Yes you do , you always throw your dummy out and stomp off . You need to practice what you preach lol ,

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


I do not moan or whing about people attacking my views as you do.

That is the difference.

Yes you do , you always throw your dummy out and stomp off . You need to practice what you preach lol ,

Incorrect Dibs, so look forward to me now making sure your thread has many posts to show why Christianity is pure evil daily

Cuchulain wrote:

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

Yes you do , you always throw your dummy out and stomp off . You need to practice what you preach lol ,

Incorrect Dibs, so look forward to me now making sure your thread has many posts to show why Christianity is pure evil daily

That's just nasty. Why do you want to be so nasty?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:




Incorrect Dibs, so look forward to me now making sure your thread has many posts to show why Christianity is pure evil daily

That's just nasty. Why do you want to be so nasty?

Hos is it nasty?
To me Christianity is evil and its important to warn people of this.
Do you not warn against things that are dnagereous?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That's just nasty. Why do you want to be so nasty?

Hos is it nasty?
To me Christianity is evil and its important to warn people of this.
Do you not warn against things that are dnagereous?

You want to disrupt the devotional thread for malicious reasons - that's just nasty, spiteful, and petty.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Hos is it nasty?
To me Christianity is evil and its important to warn people of this.
Do you not warn against things that are dnagereous?

You want to disrupt the devotional thread for malicious reasons - that's just nasty, spiteful, and petty.

No, for educational purposes.
Its christianity that is evil

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You want to disrupt the devotional thread for malicious reasons - that's just nasty, spiteful, and petty.

No, for educational purposes.
Its christianity that is evil

If you do it, I'll ask eddie to ask you to stop. That thread isn't your playground to take out your own frustrations and boredom on.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


No, for educational purposes.
Its christianity that is evil

If you do it, I'll ask eddie to ask you to stop. That thread isn't your playground to take out your own frustrations and boredom on.

Ha ha ha

lol suck up to teacher syndrome, bet you did that all the time in school.
Do what you like, it will notr stop me

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

If you do it, I'll ask eddie to ask you to stop. That thread isn't your playground to take out your own frustrations and boredom on.

Ha ha ha

lol suck up to teacher syndrome, bet you did that all the time in school.
Do what you like, it will notr stop me

That's because you're a nasty piece of shit.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Ha ha ha

lol suck up to teacher syndrome, bet you did that all the time in school.
Do what you like, it will notr stop me

That's because you're a nasty piece of shit.

Ahhhhh bless, do not worry am sure Eddie will give you 10 credits lol

This is what makes me laugh any thread can have anything said on it. The minute there is a religious one and it seeks to have more protection than any other thread and all because it is a belief.
Imagine someone set up a racism devotional thread. Its a belief after all, do you think it should have such protection from ridicule?

No, hence the absurdity of one that promotes Christian bullshit will be ridiculed also,.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That's because you're a nasty piece of shit.

Ahhhhh bless, do not worry am sure Eddie will give you 10 credits lol

This is what makes me laugh any thread can have anything said on it. The minute there is a religious one and it seeks to have more protection than any other thread and all because it is a belief.
Imagine someone set up a racist devotional thread. Its a belief after all, do you think it should have such protection from ridicule?

No, hence the absurdity of one that promotes Christian bullshit will be ridiculed also,.

Oh well, that's what I'd expect from a violent thug like you. You have no consideration for others.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Ahhhhh bless, do not worry am sure Eddie will give you 10 credits lol

This is what makes me laugh any thread can have anything said on it. The minute there is a religious one and it seeks to have more protection than any other thread and all because it is a belief.
Imagine someone set up a racist devotional thread. Its a belief after all, do you think it should have such protection from ridicule?

No, hence the absurdity of one that promotes Christian bullshit will be ridiculed also,.

Oh well, that's what I'd expect from a violent thug like you. You have no consideration for others.

Do the christians have any consideration to others when they started this thread?

No, by any chance?

Christianity is nothing short of barbaric and it needs to be shown as such.
People need to her the truth its all bullshit

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh well, that's what I'd expect from a violent thug like you. You have no consideration for others.

Do the christians have any consideration to others when they started this thread?

No, by any chance?

Christianity is nothing short of barbaric and it needs to be shown as such.
People need to her the truth its all bullshit

This thread was started by a Druid, not a Christian.

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

yeah alot of my frineds are athiests (even though they all got married in church) and they dont bang on and on and on and on and on about it

I don't even really know if my friends are atheists or not - we simply don't discuss it. I have one friend who is a JW, and any interest I've taken in that has been completely voluntary - she has never forced her ideas onto me.

Well that's the thing, most of these atheists have probably never been affected by religion, they don't know anything about religions but are convinced that they are somehow hard done by religion

Ironically you have idiots like Walter Mitty constantly bringing religion into everything and then demanding it be a personal belief and kept to ourselves

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't even really know if my friends are atheists or not - we simply don't discuss it. I have one friend who is a JW, and any interest I've taken in that has been completely voluntary - she has never forced her ideas onto me.

Well that's the thing, most of these atheists have probably never been affected by religion, they don't know anything about religions but are convinced that they are somehow hard done by religion

Ironically you have idiots like Walter Mitty constantly bringing religion into everything and then demanding it be a personal belief and kept to ourselves

Exactly. He has a personal problem with it, which he doesn't keep to himself, but he demands that people keep their religious faith to themselves.

Dibs, Raggy, Smelly, you've all missed the point I was making, which is that Islam and Christianity have the same roots, and those roots are badly flawed. Any differences, which there are, are due to the cultural
and historical differences between the different races.

It is the ROOTS you need to study and be aware of, for there you will find a sheer fantasy leading to doubts about God.

stardesk wrote:Dibs, Raggy, Smelly, you've all missed the point I was making, which is that Islam and Christianity have the same roots, and those roots are badly flawed. Any differences, which there are, are due to the cultural
and historical differences between the different races.

It is the ROOTS you need to study and be aware of, for there you will find a sheer fantasy leading to doubts about God.

I didn't miss your point - I just disagreed with it.

stardesk wrote:Dibs, Raggy, Smelly, you've all missed the point I was making, which is that Islam and Christianity have the same roots, and those roots are badly flawed. Any differences, which there are, are due to the cultural
and historical differences between the different races.

It is the ROOTS you need to study and be aware of, for there you will find a sheer fantasy leading to doubts about God.

Why is it you think Islam and Christianity share the same roots??

At the minute its all shrouded in mystery ,perhaps a little bit of detail might get the conversation going??

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't even really know if my friends are atheists or not - we simply don't discuss it. I have one friend who is a JW, and any interest I've taken in that has been completely voluntary - she has never forced her ideas onto me.

Well that's the thing, most of these atheists have probably never been affected by religion, they don't know anything about religions but are convinced that they are somehow hard done by religion

Ironically you have idiots like Walter Mitty constantly bringing religion into everything and then demanding it be a personal belief and kept to ourselves

Lol the Dalek, who like many other Christians make it up as they go along, why there is 42,000 Christian denominatuons. Most atheists are not effected, its about anyone who is effected by religion, because it allows people to be controlled by myths and even worse do things in the beliefs of these works.
The fact is most atheists were once religious and hence have studied far more and the reasons they have stopped being religious. That is the main point, if religious people actually bothered to study their faith, they would see for themselves its a crock of shit.
But you fear death and thus fear drives you to believe in fairy tales