Tracey Fidler: Mother could be jailed for allowing her son to miss school after his father died

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:11 am

A mother who allowed her grieving son to take time off school after the death of his father may be jailed.
Kris Jarvis, 39, was killed in a drinking-driving incident in February 2014. The driver, Alexander Walter, was over the drink limit when he hit Mr Jarvis and friend and fellow cyclist John Morland, 30, at 70mph in Purley on Thames, in Berkshire. Both men were killed in the incident, and Walter was subsequently sentenced to 10 years and three months in prison. In the months following Mr Jarvis’ death, the attendance of his grieving youngest son, Adam, 11, at Battle Primary School in Reading dropped to 45 per cent. Reading Borough Council – who employed the father – is now prosecuting Tracey Fidler, 40, Mr Jarvis' fiancee and partner of over 20 years, for letting their son miss school.

Ms Fidler appeared at Reading Magistrates Court on Friday 25 September, and was bailed until Friday 9 October after pleading not-guilty, GetReading reported, and could now face a custodial sentence. The mother-of-five, who met David Cameron as she campaigned for stricter drink-driving sentences in the wake of her partner's death, said the school was aware of the circumstances but did not agree that her son should have been kept at home. She told The Sunday Times that Adam “was in bits” after his father died, and feared going to school in case his mother “wouldn’t be there” when he returned.

A Change.org petition defending Ms Fidler has garnered over 6,000 signatures in three days.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tracey-fidler-mother-could-be-jailed-for-allowing-her-son-to-miss-school-after-his-father-died-a6670631.html

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:11 am

leftwing nanny statehood at its best

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:18 am

Everything is left wing to you Dutchman..
You are very much like a Dalek
"Left Win, Left Wing, Do Not Move, Do not Move, Exterminate"

This is a farce how the mother and son are being treated here.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:20 am

yeah im sure you really care about them

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:21 am

smelly-bandit wrote:yeah im sure you really care about them

Well I have signed the petition.
So anything else Dalek?

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:23 am

gee what a great human being you are

you signed a petition, roll out the red carpet for yourself

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:24 am

Cheers Dalek

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:26 am

im sure your white liberal guilt will be soothed for about 5 minutes - you signed a petition

legend

by SEXY MAMA Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:27 am

How pathetic!

How can you place a time frame on grief?

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:28 am

smelly-bandit wrote:im sure your white liberal guilt will be soothed for about 5 minutes - you signed a petition

legend

No guilt involved, as I did not create the situation.
I am though helping to rectify what I see as a wrong and an injustice.
Clearly you fail to understand basic social issues.
Not suprised as you are part machine Dalek.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:41 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:How pathetic!

How can you place a time frame on grief?

ask the white liberals mama

they are the ones with disposable guilt

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:57 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:How pathetic!

How can you place a time frame on grief?

Indeed, they are not taking many things into consideration

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:17 pm

Cuchulain wrote:A mother who allowed her grieving son to take time off school after the death of his father may be jailed.
Kris Jarvis, 39, was killed in a drinking-driving incident in February 2014. The driver, Alexander Walter, was over the drink limit when he hit Mr Jarvis and friend and fellow cyclist John Morland, 30, at 70mph in Purley on Thames, in Berkshire. Both men were killed in the incident, and Walter was subsequently sentenced to 10 years and three months in prison. In the months following Mr Jarvis’ death, the attendance of his grieving youngest son, Adam, 11, at Battle Primary School in Reading dropped to 45 per cent. Reading Borough Council – who employed the father – is now prosecuting Tracey Fidler, 40, Mr Jarvis' fiancee and partner of over 20 years, for letting their son miss school.

Ms Fidler appeared at Reading Magistrates Court on Friday 25 September, and was bailed until Friday 9 October after pleading not-guilty, GetReading reported, and could now face a custodial sentence. The mother-of-five, who met David Cameron as she campaigned for stricter drink-driving sentences in the wake of her partner's death, said the school was aware of the circumstances but did not agree that her son should have been kept at home. She told The Sunday Times that Adam “was in bits” after his father died, and feared going to school in case his mother “wouldn’t be there” when he returned.

A Change.org petition defending Ms Fidler has garnered over 6,000 signatures in three days.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tracey-fidler-mother-could-be-jailed-for-allowing-her-son-to-miss-school-after-his-father-died-a6670631.html

"Adam “was in bits” after his father died, and feared going to school in case his mother “wouldn’t be there” when he returned."

That's terrible, no child should have to feel that way. We all deal with grief differently, no rules. A child has lost his father he needs support and counselling not the possibility of his mother being jailed

Petition signed.

by eddie Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:31 pm

I would not give a stuff what anyone thought, if my child needed time at home with me to deal with his lure grief, that's what he'd get.

To balance this out though, the school have to follow protocol and ensure the child is fine and join the dots and cross the T's.
They're Simpy doing their job and I'm sure she won't get fined or have any real punishment for it.

And lastly, school may be the best place for him in the long run; it's better for children to strive for normality.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:57 pm

Keep calm every one

as didge pointed out about the german nurse being evicted,,,

its only one (parent).....not important....move along there..

Its just the council being officious.....

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:04 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Keep calm every one

as didge pointed out about the german nurse being evicted,,,

its only one (parent).....not important....move along there..

Its just the council being officious.....

Er how is this the same?
Never even stated the above.
Where the nurse could even end up in a better place to live.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:12 pm

could didge ??? COULD????

hmmm...pie in the sky jam tomorrow?

you were perfectly happy to dismiss it as "just the mayor or whoever playing economics"

and therfore (presumably) quite at ease with the idea...since this would teach yet another "priviliged whitey" a lesson god damn them

it is only over the last day it seems she may end up with a better place....and I dont know where that idea comes from so.....

first i wonder why?

of course it wont be beacause this was a misjudged lefty cluster fuck would it...and they are having to do an enormous vaulte face to repair the damage would it???

I wonder what would have happend if they had managed to supress the news of this....?

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:15 pm

victorismyhero wrote:could didge ??? COULD????

hmmm...pie in the sky jam tomorrow?

you were perfectly happy to dismiss it as "just the mayor or whoever playing economics"

and therfore (presumably) quite at ease with the idea...since this would teach yet another "priviliged whitey" a lesson god damn them

it is only over the last day it seems she may end up with a better place....and I dont know where that idea comes from so.....

first i wonder why?

of course it wont be beacause this was a misjudged lefty cluster fuck would it...and they are having to do an enormous vaulte face to repair the damage would it???

I wonder what would have happend if they had managed to supress the news of this....?

Sorry I have to say that is the biggest load of gibberish you have ever come out with.

Two unrelated topics which you wish to make a comparrison from.
They could not be further unrelated and yet you are now going off white privildige.
Utterly wierd, whatever you are smoking tonight, please pass around the fourm
So maybe you can attempt again what on earth you are on about because I am at a loss as none of your post made any sense, just the usual rant about lefties

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:20 pm

its very simple didge.....

you were quite happy to dismiss one injustice as unimportant, becasue it impacted on a pet subject of yours

yet you are getting all hot under the collar about this other injustice.......

they ARE related...because they are both about officious injustice....

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:26 pm

victorismyhero wrote:its very simple didge.....

you were quite happy to dismiss one injustice as unimportant, becasue it impacted on a pet subject of yours

yet you are getting all hot under the collar about this other injustice.......

they ARE related...because they are both about officious injustice....

Again how is it an injustice?
You claim a woman who is a council tennat, where we are no wiser as to what accomadation she gets next, whether it be nearer to her work or even a nicer place.
This is about cost effective which means clearly the building can be better adpated to a refugee centre.
So she is inconvenienced to move next year, whoop dee doo.
Her position is a of a lesser need than the refugees which I am sure most reasonable people would appreciate and understand, unless of course they happen to be a selfish bigot

So both are so unrelated and you just using to whinge over the other thread where to me no injustice has been done. It belongs to the council, it does not belong to her.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:41 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:its very simple didge.....

you were quite happy to dismiss one injustice as unimportant, becasue it impacted on a pet subject of yours

yet you are getting all hot under the collar about this other injustice.......

they ARE related...because they are both about officious injustice....

Again how is it an injustice?
You claim a woman who is a council tennat, where we are no wiser as to what accomadation she gets next, whether it be nearer to her work or even a nicer place.

theres no guarantee she will get ANY place...is there......

This is about cost effective which means clearly the building can be better adpated to a refugee centre.
So she is inconvenienced to move next year, whoop dee doo.
along with the cost?
you are making baseless assumptions as to where she will be.....i could just as easily be further away from her work or in a worse area or a smaller home or at a greater cost

so you actually think its ok to just shove folks around in order to accomodate these "refugees"

at what point do you say enough? eh?
when folks are moved miles away...
when folks are made permanently homeless becasue its expedient?

what about your precious "human rights" >? as in the right to private home life??? oh thats right...i forgot these foreigners rights are more important aren't they?

Her position is a of a lesser need than the refugees which I am sure most reasonable people would appreciate and understand,

I doubt it.....

.she has the SAME rights at least...and as a citizen of the country she ought to have more

AND please explain how her needs are "lesser"??? does she not "need" a home....

is she not entitled as a citiuzen to a place "reasonably" of her choice..(in terms of suitability as regards travel and costs of getting to work, access to shops etc....)

unless of course they happen to be a selfish bigot

so now if you dont surrender your home to a foreigner who is here on sufferance...you are a bigot....hmmmm...ok......

So both are so unrelated and you just using to whinge over the other thread where to me no injustice has been done. It belongs to the council, it does not belong to her.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:52 pm

1) You are making basless assumptions, they have given her adeuate notice by giving her 8 months, which is very fair.

2) Exactly we do not know yet if it is a benefit or a disadvantage as to where she moves yet hence your whole arguiment is silly beyond belief, because she could well move nearer and into a much better apartment. It could be even a nicer area. There is so many things to consider. The fact is she is a tennant, thus the council have a right where enough notice has been given, you are just using this as a stick to do your usual lets bash the refugees over when they had no actual part in making the decisions here. So until we know where she ends up its all a load of hot air on your part and neither of us can say whether it will benefit her or disadvantage her. So if she ends up worse off, then it will be an injustice.

3) Yes reasonable people would not moan as how many others from these same blocks of flats have gone to the news with this? The telling point that nobody has picked up on and is it a case that many of them are actually empty? You see much is not known here and again it is you and others here using the most poorest lame reasoning to whine about refugees whos need is most pressing,

4) She has a home and is going to have another home. Refugee centres are needed because of the influx of people fleeing an actual conflict. These centres also provide secutity to what is a vunerable group of people. So their need is greater, all she is going to have to do is actually move. That is a pain but is not superceding thier need.

5) Citizen? She is human they are human also and she is a council tennant after all, which shows she has benefitted from the system, which has provided cheaper accomadation for her. Look I get the sentiment part where someone has lived for a long time and where her kids have grown up, but now the building has a greater need.

6) For fuck sake, what refugee had any input into the decision making here? They never decided this place would end up being used. Jesus wept, that last point has to be your most pathetic here. There is a number of reasons being decided here, one cost, to speed of converision as to the longer time of building a new comples, security. What nobody has had as stated is any others moaing about having to move and if there is any others. Again this is a block of flats that clearly the council own.

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:06 pm

Cuchulain wrote:1) You are making basless assumptions, they have given her adeuate notice by giving her 8 months, which is very fair.

2) Exactly we do not know yet if it is a benefit or a disadvantage as to where she moves yet hence your whole arguiment is silly beyond belief, because she could well move nearer and into a much better apartment. It could be even a nicer area. There is so many things to consider. The fact is she is a tennant, thus the council have a right where enough notice has been given, you are just using this as a stick to do your usual lets bash the refugees over when they had no actual part in making the decisions here. So until we know where she ends up its all a load of hot air on your part and neither of us can say whether it will benefit her or disadvantage her. So if she ends up worse off, then it will be an injustice.

3) Yes reasonable people would not moan as how many others from these same blocks of flats have gone to the news with this? The telling point that nobody has picked up on and is it a case that many of them are actually empty? You see much is not known here and again it is you and others here using the most poorest lame reasoning to whine about refugees whos need is most pressing,

4) She has a home and is going to have another home. Refugee centres are needed because of the influx of people fleeing an actual conflict. These centres also provide secutity to what is a vunerable group of people. So their need is greater, all she is going to have to do is actually move. That is a pain but is not superceding thier need.

in the uk, the cost of a house move can be 1000's....I dont suppose its much less over there......just an inconvenience.....

5) Citizen? She is human they are human also and she is a council tennant after all, which shows she has benefitted from the system,

so now she can suffer for that "privilidge" huh?

which has provided cheaper accomadation for her. Look I get the sentiment part where someone has lived for a long time and where her kids have grown up, but now the building has a greater need.

6) For fuck sake, what refugee had any input into the decision making here?

I never said they had...

They never decided this place would end up being used. Jesus wept, that last point has to be your most pathetic here. There is a number of reasons being decided here, one cost, to speed of converision as to the longer time of building a new comples, security. What nobody has had as stated is any others moaing about having to move and if there is any others. Again this is a block of flats that clearly the council own.

and as well all know those in council flats are what...pawns to be used as needed? dross that can be abused in the "greater need"???

creatures whos wants and desires can be played off against political expediency????

what next then didge....

chuck all the old folks out of council sheltered accomodation to make em into "refugee accomodation"....
I mean its quite simple really....all you do is change the qualifiing rules...like has been done here over disability payments....
and bingo 20,000 old folks no longer qualify for sheltered accomodation.....

Ok so thats "hyperbolic" but.......

where are the lines drawn as to what is acceptable eh....

or is it a case of any abuse of your own citrizens is acceptable...lets reduce everyone to the same state???? the race to the bottom?

or what?

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:08 pm

Look Victor, you then end with what next.
Well we will cross that bridge when it comes to it but making unfounded assumptions just will not cut it.
Like I say the big telling point here is the rest of the flats.
Why no comments from other tennants?
What if there is no other tennants.
Thus is it mainly a building not being used

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:13 pm

AND on the OP

while I sympathise with the poor lad, It sounds to me like over half his problem is his mother...
Its been a year now...he is 14...

he SHOULD be coping by now....not "over it"...you dont "get over" something like this, but he should NOT be requiring that amount of time off...

its todays society..infantilising youngsters more and more.....

strewth 900 years ago he would have been expected to pick up his fathers sword and shield and lead his estate onwards etc.....

or if he was base but free born, take up his fathers tools and continue the business

or if he was base born and peasant stock take his fathers place in the field of his master

even a hundred years ago, he would be expected to become the breadwinner and "man of the house"

Not today though

wrapped in cotton wool, mambyfied and molly coddled....

yetch.........

(and despite all this the council are way out of line here........)

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:18 pm

Cuchulain wrote:Look Victor, you then end with what next.
Well we will cross that bridge when it comes to it but making unfounded assumptions just will not cut it.
Like I say the big telling point here is the rest of the flats.
Why no comments from other tennants?
What if there is no other tennants.
Thus is it mainly a building not being used

and....?

yes I end with what next...

I'm asking you....

when does enough pandering to some idealistic claptrap become enough.....

when citizens are forced on pain of law to do something they dont want to do in order to solve the politicos clusterfuck?

...when old folks are shoved out into the street perhaps?

when a few citizens get shot down ????

when ???????????????????????????????????????????????

at what point are ordinary folks going to stop being asked to bend over backward to accomodate something that they will later regret...

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:22 pm

What old folks being shoved into the street.
May I further add you are again talking bollocks.
You keep using tthe same lame fear argument which is unfounded and just does not cut it.
You have to start getting used to the fact we are going to help people when we can help them.
So you can continue to spin the fear angle but as seen nothing you claim has happened or is likley to happen. I sure the Daily Mail will be waiting in the wing to provide you plenty of scare stories of single examples like the N urse just so you can get over excited about.
Its time you recognised we are not just an island but part of a whole world, where we all have to start to learn to live together and all you do is at every step try to hinder that going forward
Face facts,its going to happen

by Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:31 pm

and plenty of "single" stories adds up to what didge???

10 single stories
100
10000?

at what point will YOU say "enough"

lets face it didge....6 million "single stories" made a holocaust not long ago

so when for you is enough, enough?

or will you simply dismiss them...one by one......

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:38 am

I agree with Victor.

by nicko Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:41 am

Fear keeps people alive, think about it.

by nicko Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:53 am

We should fear the EU, it is their policies on climate change that forced the steel companies to spend millions trying to keep their emissions down so much so that the cost proved too much to make steel production profitable..

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:58 am

victorismyhero wrote:AND on the OP

while I sympathise with the poor lad, It sounds to me like over half his problem is his mother...
Its been a year now...he is 14...

he SHOULD be coping by now....not "over it"...you dont "get over" something like this, but he should NOT be requiring that amount of time off...

its todays society..infantilising youngsters more and more.....

strewth 900 years ago he would have been expected to pick up his fathers sword and shield and lead his estate onwards etc.....

or if he was base but free born, take up his fathers tools and continue the business

or if he was base born and peasant stock take his fathers place in the field of his master

even a hundred years ago, he would be expected to become the breadwinner and "man of the house"

Not today though

wrapped in cotton wool, mambyfied and molly coddled....

yetch.........

(and despite all this the council are way out of line here........)

I think the boy is 11, and it's been one year and 7 months.

If he has a fear that his mother won't be there when he gets home, he clearly has a psychological problem which should be dealt with rather than him missing school. When someone dies, it's natural to fear that others will die too, but it needs to be put into perspective at some point.

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:11 am

I also read that the kid is now at secondary school, which makes sense if he's 11, and that he's doing better now.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:05 pm

victorismyhero wrote:and plenty of "single" stories adds up to what didge???

10 single stories
100
10000?

at what point will YOU say "enough"

lets face it didge....6 million "single stories" made a holocaust not long ago

so when for you is enough, enough?

or will you simply dismiss them...one by one......

Hi Victor
Again it was hate, prejudice, discrimination, anti-homosexual, racism, anti-semtism, that caused far more than 6 million deaths. Are you seriously trying to equate the 6 million from the holocaust based on Jewish refugees who fled from Russia in the lat 19th century?

As to your non-point on enough, there is no limit, on how we should help humanity. To think otherwise is born from a selfish individual need. How is it really going to effect you? Will it mean we all face some minor issues? Yes I am sure it will, but the greater need of others outweighs your selfish needs. Its as simple as that. You waht to qunatify when its enough? Its limitless, as humanity is going to have to learn to adpat, as each nation is very reliant on many others. At some point we will even have to know doubt colonise the moon in the next couple of centuries.

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:12 pm

For some people, moving house is not a "minor" issue, especially when it wasn't their choice, and they had been living there for some time.

Helping people at the expense of others isn't a great idea, and if there's any more of this kind of thing, Germany will pay for it in the long run. Putting their own citizens second to others won't go down too well.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:15 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:and plenty of "single" stories adds up to what didge???

10 single stories
100
10000?

at what point will YOU say "enough"

lets face it didge....6 million "single stories" made a holocaust not long ago

so when for you is enough, enough?

or will you simply dismiss them...one by one......

Hi Victor
Again it was hate, prejudice, discrimination, anti-homosexual, racism, anti-semtism, that caused far more than 6 million deaths. Are you seriously trying to equate the 6 million from the holocaust based on Jewish refugees who fled from Russia in the lat 19th century?

As to your non-point on enough, there is no limit, on how we should help humanity. To think otherwise is born from a selfish individual need. How is it really going to effect you? Will it mean we all face some minor issues? Yes I am sure it will, but the greater need of others outweighs your selfish needs.

No it doesnt, and there is no concensus that says that it should. These people are "not my tribe" they are nothing to me, neither kin nor friend. I dont "hate em" but neither do I "care" for them. I have neither the resources or time to "care for them" and certainly do not see why I should make any "adjustment " to accomodate them...no matter how small

Its as simple as that. You waht to qunatify when its enough? Its limitless,

is it indeed? ....limitless you say...so even to the limit of "us " being dragged down to the level of a third world shit hole is on the cards is it...I mean...I know we are heading that way slowly but surely but hell theres no need to accelerate it....

as humanity is going to have to learn to adpat, as each nation is very reliant on many others. At some point we will even have to know doubt colonise the moon in the next couple of centuries.

mars will be first....

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:For some people, moving house is not a "minor" issue, especially when it wasn't their choice, and they had been living there for some time.

Helping people at the expense of others isn't a great idea, and if there's any more of this kind of thing, Germany will pay for it in the long run. Putting their own citizens second to others won't go down too well.

Her needs are of lesser importance in thsi instance.
She has 8 months to prepare to move and I amsure she can ask the council for assistance being as they need the Flats.
Like I say or which nobody can answer.
Where is all the other complaints from the tennants of the flats?

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:18 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:For some people, moving house is not a "minor" issue, especially when it wasn't their choice, and they had been living there for some time.

Helping people at the expense of others isn't a great idea, and if there's any more of this kind of thing, Germany will pay for it in the long run. Putting their own citizens second to others won't go down too well.

Her needs are of lesser importance in thsi instance.
She has 8 months to prepare to move and I amsure she can ask the council for assistance being as they need the Flats.
Like I say or which nobody can answer.
Where is all the other complaints from the tennants of the flats?

No, they are not of lesser importance. They are discriminating against her because of her nationality and her culture. I'm sure you wouldn't approve of that if it was the other way round. It's my opinion that the citizens of a country should always take priority over others.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:23 pm

victorismyhero wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Hi Victor
Again it was hate, prejudice, discrimination, anti-homosexual, racism, anti-semtism, that caused far more than 6 million deaths. Are you seriously trying to equate the 6 million from the holocaust based on Jewish refugees who fled from Russia in the lat 19th century?

As to your non-point on enough, there is no limit, on how we should help humanity. To think otherwise is born from a selfish individual need. How is it really going to effect you? Will it mean we all face some minor issues? Yes I am sure it will, but the greater need of others outweighs your selfish needs.

No it doesnt, and there is no concensus that says that it should. These people are "not my tribe" they are nothing to me, neither kin nor friend. I dont "hate em" but neither do I "care" for them. I have neither the resources or time to "care for them" and certainly do not see why I should make any "adjustment " to accomodate them...no matter how small

Its as simple as that. You waht to qunatify when its enough? Its limitless,

is it indeed? ....limitless you say...so even to the limit of "us " being dragged down to the level of a third world shit hole is on the cards is it...I mean...I know we are heading that way slowly but surely but hell theres no need to accelerate it....

as humanity is going to have to learn to adpat, as each nation is very reliant on many others. At some point we will even have to know doubt colonise the moon in the next couple of centuries.

mars will be first....

Yes it does, you are just one individual whos needs do not outwiegh others, even more so when you grow old as you will need the assiatance of others. So again there is no such way you can claim you are more important than many people.

Tribe?

Oh for fuck sake, they are human, just as you are human. I suggest you wake up to the 21st century because you need to out grow this outdated tribal view you have, maainly because it really does not apply in a modern society. You are just one person, so sit and sulk for all i care but your one need does not outweigh others. Also again this country is not sustainable on its own. So lets turn your own fear based argument on its head. Say we do as you say and only help people here. Britain becomes ostracized by other nations, then countless people suffer here. Are you then going to ditch your own tribe and look to yourself because you can live off the land? I am sure those championing your views fail to understand you would have no hesitation of ditchinng them in order to survive. So the tables have turned, and the streets are in anarchy, all because some of you did not want to work collectivelly to help the world with a growing population. This is why so many selfish arguments fail, as when you apply them back on to your own, they end up creating a far more dire situation.

Mars may well be first but you see there is a possible future where we look to more space, but until then we have to help each other. The selfish way is just a spiral of self distruct.

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:29 pm

If tribalism is such a bad thing, why do all these refugees have to be kept together? Oh, of course, it's fine for them to be tribal and to stick with their "own kind", but it's not OK for anyone else.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:If tribalism is such a bad thing, why do all these refugees have to be kept together? Oh, of course, it's fine for them to be tribal and to stick with their "own kind", but it's not OK for anyone else.

How are they sticking together in a place soley for refugees?
That is the nation of that country providing a place of safety.
They have not decided this action, the nation has.
So absurd view yet again
If you want to ask why, then ask germany for its reasons

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:47 pm

well to be fair germany is know for its ability to corral people of the same race/religion/ethnic together.

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:01 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:If tribalism is such a bad thing, why do all these refugees have to be kept together? Oh, of course, it's fine for them to be tribal and to stick with their "own kind", but it's not OK for anyone else.

How are they sticking together in a place soley for refugees?
That is the nation of that country providing a place of safety.
They have not decided this action, the nation has.
So absurd view yet again
If you want to ask why, then ask germany for its reasons

The chap wants to evict the woman so that refugees can move into the building. In other words, he wants everyone in that building to be a refugee. That's virtually ethnic cleansing.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:03 pm

Idiotic again.
A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Where is all the other tennants complaining?
Or more to the point is the building mainly vacant?

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:07 pm

didnt realise that hungary was having a war or persecuting people or had a natural disaster

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:09 pm

Cuchulain wrote:Idiotic again.
A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Where is all the other tennants complaining?
Or more to the point is the building mainly vacant?

There's no info on that. One other tenant has also been evicted, but she's been given a bit longer so her daughter can at least finish school or something.

If the building is mainly vacant, why do they need to evict anyone?

The first part of your post is nothing to do with what I said.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:12 pm

If its mainly vacant it as seen can be put to better use being as its cheaper to convert, again for the tenth time.
You are just regurgitating the same old points.
She is having to move, she is going to get a new place.
Get over it, as its going to happen.
No refugee asked for this to happen, so if you wish to blame someone then blame the German offical

by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:18 pm

Cuchulain wrote:If its mainly vacant it as seen can be put to better use being as its cheaper to convert, again for the tenth time.
You are just regurgitating the same old points.
She is having to move, she is going to get a new place.
Get over it, as its going to happen.
No refugee asked for this to happen, so if you wish to blame someone then blame the German offical

Why does it need to be converted? Why can't she just stay and if there are empty flats there, refugees can move into them?

I do blame the German official, and I'm glad he's pissed off that she went public with it. It's the tip of the iceberg - you'll see.

by Guest Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:23 pm

This has been answered a number of times already

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by Raggamuffin Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:26 pm

Cuchulain wrote:This has been answered a number of times already

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Not to my satisfaction. If you can't answer, just say so.

You said the flats would be converted. What will they be converted into?

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