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Post by Guest Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:47 pm

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http://cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/norway-islamic-leader-every-Muslim-wants-death-penalty-homosexuals


Fahad Qureshi, who founded Islam Net and is considered an Islamic leader in Norway, told a large group of Sunni Muslims that, contrary to media claims that it is only “radicals” and “extremists” who support barbaric punishments for those who violate sharia, regular Muslims support such things, including the “death penalty for homosexuals” and “stoning for adultery.”

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:57 am

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Eli was the very first bigot i put on ignore , what  a shame i looked at your post HF as you quoted it and i had to see the bigots drivel .
You would be better putting the bigot on ignore it is very peasant not seeing bigots posting their rubbish xxx

It's a shame you don't take your own advice and put that disgusting piece of excrement you call a husband on ignore. I get the feeling you are both just here to bait and troll. You clutter up this forum with your trolling threads. Make the place look damn untidy.

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:59 am

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Oh I think we all know the answer to that hun.  Howdy doodie, such a fantastic day yesterday.  Would you believe I got a tan!!!!!!!!

That's good
I'm not in the UK ATM

I saw on facebook, hope you are having a lovely time x

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Post by Eilzel Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:00 am

Sexy, I live and work in Thailand now, but currently visiting family in UK until Wednesday :-)

Where are you atm? X
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That's good
I'm not in the UK ATM

I saw on facebook, hope you are having a lovely time x

I am xxx
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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:03 am

Ben!!! did I see a rule about the deliberate derailing of a topic.....

i thought it was frowned upon...

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:04 am

anyway back to topic, this Muslim cleric will be preaching to his followers, who knows how many others he will affect with his thoughts, this is very dangerous...

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:05 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:Ben!!! did I see a rule about the deliberate derailing of a topic.....

i thought it was frowned upon.


Sleep   Sleep  Sleep

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Post by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:07 am

Eilzel wrote:Sexy, I live and work in Thailand now, but currently visiting family in UK until Wednesday :-)

Where are you atm? X

That's nice. You are with your loved one. Glad it all worked out for you x

If you are ever near Wembley let's meet up.

I'm in Turkey ATM
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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:08 am

no one is bothered that this Muslim cleric is preaching to kill gays....

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:17 am

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Is this the fantasy mosque for gay Muslims is it??



Maybe you can use that tiny brain and look it up.

Alreay tried and it turns out you lied, as per usual

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:19 am

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Maybe you can use that tiny brain and look it up.

Alreay tried and it turns out  you lied, as per usual

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29279879

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Maybe you can use that tiny brain and look it up.

Alreay tried and it turns out  you lied, as per usual

a Muslim lying, that's pretty unusual oh hang on doesn't the koran say it is ok for them to lie...?

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:20 am

Meet the British Muslim Who's Founded a Controversial Gay-Friendly Mosque
January 15, 2015
By Gavin Haynes














Dr Taj Hargey in his Open Mosque, Cape Town
Dr Taj Hargey says he became radicalised after 9/11.
"I went to mosque in Oxford that week, after the largest political event of the age concerning Muslims, and did anyone mention it? No. Not at all," he says. "I mean, it wasn't entirely clear to what extent this concerned Islam just then, but where was the basic human compassion? I thought, 'Something's wrong here.'"
Hargey is now a full-blown radical, and he's waging his own private jihad, turning Muslim teaching away from the stodgy conservatism of most clerics.
Not only is he a radical, Hargey's also a hardcore fundamentalist, in that he rejects the Hadith – the book of the so-called "sayings of the Prophet" (compiled 200 years after the Prophet died) and the text used to form the outline of Sharia law. Unsurprisingly, Hargey also rejects Sharia itself.








The Open Mosque, Cape Town
Fundamentally, he points out, Islam is about the Qur'an, and it is from the Qur'an that he will preach, ignoring all the other footnotes beloved of modern clerics. All of that stuff, he says, has no pertinence to the Qur'an: it's a book that rejects violence; doesn't mention the burqa; embraces a role for women; and doesn't explicitly ban images of Muhammad or encourage Muslims to murder satirical cartoonists.
To this end, Hargey took part of his salary as an Oxford don and started his own mosque in South Africa late last year. The place of worship, he says – unlike most around the world – is both gay-friendly and woman-friendly. Which is exactly why he's not getting on so well within the local community of sects, Imams and governing councils.
His "Open Mosque" in Cape Town has been firebombed three times since it commenced operations in September. "They also tried to drive a 4x4 through the doors... but for me, right now, the project is about holding on," he tells me. "I've always said that if we can make it to our first anniversary, then we will have made it. And they know it! That's why they're piling on the pressure."








Outside, on the walls of this former warehouse buried in the backstreets of the resolutely unfashionable end of Wynberg, he's painted the five founding principles of his baby: Quran-centric, gender equality, non-sectarian, inter-cultural and independent.
While his day-to-day work is in the UK, he's returned here for a few weeks to check in. "Because this thing, at the moment, it needs the founder: it needs direction, it needs leadership," he says.
Inside the building, there are still builders' scaffolds and men with overalls cobbling bits of it together. Without sponsors, building work stops and starts depending on when Oxford has paid him. Yet Hargey believes he has a franchise that could stretch all around the world.
"It's interesting that you mention that word. I'd say yes – there's definitely a set of principles here that can be easily grasped," he says. "Already, we've had email requests from as far away as Brazil – they want to know when we can establish an Open Mosque there."








Builders at work in the Open Mosque
By unhappy coincidence, I meet Hargey the Friday after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Unlike his own experiences of 9/11, today's congregation – seven women and 13 men – get both barrels of commentary. He preaches for the better part of an hour, blasting off broadsides from the MacBook he's tucked into his lectern, as thick with Qur'anic citations as his academic background suggests.
"Where does it say in the Qur'an that blasphemers must be killed? Nowhere. That is only in the Hadith," he thunders.
He's splenetic. The Prophet, he points out again and again, showed clemency to a host of people who insulted him or ridiculed him. He seems to be making a special point here, playing to the gallery slightly. In the front row, a Muslim reporter from the local papers has been dispatched to note down the sayings of this mad mullah of liberal tolerance.







Yet, as one devotee who'd shuffled from mosque-to-mosque around the Cape for the past few years tells me, elsewhere, most other Imams won't be making a similar pitch this Friday afternoon. "They're very conservative in what they teach," he sighs. "They want to have the power, so they give you lots of laws."
The sophistic use of the sacred texts annoyed him enough that he kept changing. "For me, it was that they always preach from the Hadith. I started to get suspicious of that. You never heard them talking from the Qur'an."
"They use the Hadith," says Hargey, "because it gives them power: 'Don't do this. Do that. God will get you.'"
In the global context, Cape Muslims are pretty moderate folk. Yet inside their mosques, there is the same climate of fear around stepping out of line. "Mainly," Hargey points out, "because you won't have anyone to bury you. They won't let you into the cemetery."








South Africa's governing body for Muslims – the MDC – has declared the Open Mosque as illegal, and written to all the local papers defaming Hargey and condemning his place of worship. He's been threatened with hanging and castration by anonymous letter-writers. The opening week came with a Friday protest where outraged believers tried to block the entrance, followed by further death threats to the good doctor when they failed.
"They have a vested interest in maintaining their own power block, because they control the money," says Hargey. "There is R100 million [£5million] every year in certifying food as halal. But no one knows where that money goes. There is zero transparency around it. They're all elected from within. There's no democracy there either."








Three months after opening, something like a congregation is starting to emerge out of the town's disaffected Muslims. Fear is still capping numbers, but they've already got three weddings booked in. Unlike his adversaries, Hargey is OK with non-Muslim men marrying Muslim women. And crucially, unlike the mosque 500 metres down the road, he wants women to be involved. "There should be a place here for my sisters, my mother, my daughter, my wife," he tells me.
They pray here, right alongside the men. Rather than taking the Hadith's limp injunctions that women will have "better rewards in the home" than at prayer, he sticks with what Muhammad himself did in Medina. "This place is much more like the prophet's own mosque than any other you'll see. Why? Because it has only one entrance. For both men and women."
Not only does it nix gender, his congregation seems to cut across class, too. One elegant middle-aged woman looks like she might have the keys to a Beemer in her black beaded clutch purse. Others pull off in their pick-up trucks. There is a black African guy who's clearly not from around here. A white guy.








More revolutionary but less visible, the Open Mosque is also perfectly happy to have The Gays in its congregation. Though that still isn't quite the same as adoring them.
"Look, the Qur'an says quite clearly that homosexuality is a sin, but it does not say that you should punish people," Hargey stresses. "It is for God to make that judgment. Not for me. My job as a Muslim is to live a good life. To be nice to people. To pick up litter. To help those who need help. Why must I go around condemning when God is taking care of that?" He wouldn't marry a gay Muslim, but "if they want a civil partnership, that is OK. It's just that marriage to me is defined by the Qur'an as a man and a woman."
Five hundred years after Martin Luther's Diet of Worms, no one has so far managed to do a back-to-basics prune-job on Islam, yet the idea is so bullseye-right for our times. He will have to face the full might of the cultural enforcers, but Hargey's starting to scent the appetite for change that's out there, too.
Right now, he lacks the funds or people to establish more Open Mosques around the world, but in his five founding principles he's got an easily reproducible franchise model for rolling his ideas around the globe with the full warp-speed of 21st century culture. There's a brand here, and if he can just keep it together, and take on the medieval majority, Hargey could change the world in much more meaningful ways than his hardline counterparts have ever managed.
"Ten years from now, if God keeps me going, I think it could definitely be all over the world, yes," he says. "But for now, the goal is just to make it through to September and the first anniversary. When September comes, we're gonna have a huge party, I tell you."

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/open-mosque-taj-hargey-south-africa-934

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:22 am

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SEXY MAMA wrote:


Maybe you can use that tiny brain and look it up.

Alreay tried and it turns out  you lied, as per usual

the koran tells moslems they can lie that's why allah is satan and not the same God of the bible who hates liars . Neutral

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:23 am

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smelly-bandit wrote:

Alreay tried and it turns out  you lied, as per usual

the koran tells moslems they can lie that's why allah is satan and not the same God of the bible who hates liars . Neutral

wow great minds think alike ...x

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:23 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:no one is bothered that this Muslim cleric is preaching to kill gays....

No but if it were a Christian they would be outraged , moslems must be protected by all cost lol.

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:23 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

the koran tells moslems they can lie that's why allah is satan and not the same God of the bible who hates liars . Neutral

wow great minds think alike ...x

yep xx

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:24 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

the koran tells moslems they can lie that's why allah is satan and not the same God of the bible who hates liars . Neutral

wow great minds think alike ...x

The bible states to kill gays.
So how is yolur religion any different?
Do you also believe in killing disobedient children?

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:25 am

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heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:no one is bothered that this Muslim cleric is preaching to kill gays....

No but if it were a Christian they would be outraged , moslems must be protected by all cost lol.

it is odd, that even gays seem to protect islam and hear they are saying that gays should be killed, it is all very odd....

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:28 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

No but if it were a Christian they would be outraged , moslems must be protected by all cost lol.

it is odd, that even gays seem to protect islam and hear they are saying that gays should be killed, it is all very odd....

allah/islam is the devil the deceiver and is enjoying the souls he gains from all this so it isn't really odd at all , just remember satan is very patient he planned this and for now he is winning but he knows his time is short that's why islam is causing such atrocities and nothing is being done , it has to be this way for the bible prophecy is true .

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:31 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

it is odd, that even gays seem to protect islam and hear they are saying that gays should be killed, it is all very odd....

allah/islam is the devil the deceiver and is enjoying the souls he gains from all this so it isn't really odd at all , just remember satan is very patient he planned this and for now he is winning but he knows his time is short that's why islam is causing such atrocities and nothing is being done , it has to be this way for the bible prophecy is true .

The satan in the bible is way much nicer than the biblical deity.
I mean the biblical deity backs slavery rape, murder, genocide etc Where Satan actually tries to help humans

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Post by Eilzel Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:34 am

^Sexy, wow we are planning Turkey for next year, Istanbul, Izmir and Ephesus :-) hope you are all having a great time x

We are in Manchester so sadly far from London, but I'll keep you and others in mind when I do eventually go back to London (because gods and demons couldn't keep me from going back to the world's greatest city ;-) ).

Nice to hear from you anyway, been a while x
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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:36 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

it is odd, that even gays seem to protect islam and hear they are saying that gays should be killed, it is all very odd....

allah/islam is the devil the deceiver and is enjoying the souls he gains from all this so it isn't really odd at all , just remember satan is very patient he planned this and for now he is winning but he knows his time is short that's why islam is causing such atrocities and nothing is being done , it has to be this way for the bible prophecy is true .

we know that is true.....

why are gays so gullible to not attack islam for what it wants to do...? do you think they are afraid??

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heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

allah/islam is the devil the deceiver and is enjoying the souls he gains from all this so it isn't really odd at all , just remember satan is very patient he planned this and for now he is winning but he knows his time is short that's why islam is causing such atrocities and nothing is being done , it has to be this way for the bible prophecy is true .

we know that is true.....

why are gays so gullible to not attack islam for what it wants to do...? do you think they are afraid??

Why do you worship a deity that places conditions on its love?
A deity that backs slavery, murder, rape, genocide?

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:40 am

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we know that is true.....

why are gays so gullible to not attack islam for what it wants to do...? do you think they are afraid??

Why do you worship a deity that places conditions on its love?
A deity that backs slavery, murder, rape, genocide?

Slavery murder rape and genocide -  available in all good islamic state shops

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:42 am

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Cuchulain wrote:

Why do you worship a deity that places conditions on its love?
A deity that backs slavery, murder, rape, genocide?

Slavery murder rape and genocide -  available in all goof islamic state shops

Which means both religions have evil deities does it not?
Both will punish people for not loving them eternally.
So why do people worship such evil including yourself?

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Post by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:45 am

Eilzel wrote:^Sexy, wow we are planning Turkey for next year, Istanbul, Izmir and Ephesus :-) hope you are all having a great time x

We are in Manchester so sadly far from London, but I'll keep you and others in mind when I do eventually go back to London (because gods and demons couldn't keep me from going back to the world's greatest city ;-) ).

Nice to hear from you anyway, been a while x

Hahaha London is the best x

No worries
I will pm you my FB details so make sure you keep in touch x

Turkey has always been great I've come here 4 times before.

Staying in Belek ATM

It's great to me back lol I'm sure not many share this view though
Hahaha! Wink
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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:48 am

If this preacher can say that by sharia law homosexuals should be killed, how many others see the same thing...?

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:57 am

Cuchulain wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Slavery murder rape and genocide -  available in all goof islamic state shops

Which means both religions have evil deities does it not?
Both will punish people for not loving them eternally.
So why do people worship such evil including yourself?

Because im evil walter mitty

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:59 am

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Cuchulain wrote:

Which means both religions have evil deities does it not?
Both will punish people for not loving them eternally.
So why do people worship such evil including yourself?

Because im evil walter mitty


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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:16 am

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a Muslim lying, that's pretty unusual oh hang on doesn't the koran say it is ok for them to lie...?

Great! Now we have you, Smelly and Didge spreading the same bullshit.

You're all bigoted prats.

You being the biggest bigoted twat on this forum.
Do not lie, you seem to be a Muslim intent on lying, of has this become natural to you now?

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:16 am

Oh and we all remember your meltdown over homosexual marriage

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:21 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
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a Muslim lying, that's pretty unusual oh hang on doesn't the koran say it is ok for them to lie...?

Great! Now we have you, Smelly and Didge spreading the same bullshit.

You're all bigoted prats.

Not bullshit fuzz muck

Taqqiya is part of Islamic dogma

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:22 am

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You being the biggest bigoted twat on this forum.
Do not lie, you seem to be a Muslim intent on lying, of has this become natural to you now?

Lol! Like I said, you have a lot in common with Smelly, Vod and Hf.

You're even repeating the same BS as them - about how Muslims are taught to lie. Shame on you for wallowing in such filth.

I think you have far nore in common.
You both believe in mythical deities that are barbaric.
You are both homophobic and bigoted
You both follow a deity that has conditions with love.
You both belioeve through fear.
Muslims are taught to lie, are you saying this is untrue?

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:28 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

I think you have far nore in common.
You both believe in mythical deities that are barbaric.
You are both homophobic and bigoted
You both follow a deity that has conditions with love.
You both belioeve through fear.
Muslims are taught to lie, are you saying this is untrue?

Yes, I'm saying that's untrue.

My parents didn't take me aside as child and encourage me to lie to non- Muslims. We don't have lessons in lying where we are taught to lie.

Are you that stupid?

You are not allowed or taught how to lie.

You are only permitted to deny your religion, under threat of death. I.e if someone threatens to kill me for being Muslim, I can lie and tell I'm not. To save my life.

If you can't see the difference between that and lying to non-Muslims, you're an idiot.

Myabe they were crap Muslims then.
So you are taught to lie and you have given an example where this is possible.
I just think its very funny to wind up such an idiot as yourself.
Like I say you have far more in common with the fundemntalist Christians.

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Yes, homosexuality is a sin in Islam. There's no getting around that, there's no other interpretation.

Any sex outside marriage between a man and a woman is considered Zina.

But there are 4 main schools of Sharia - and not all prescribe a punishment for Zina.

So when people say "Sharia law", they have no real idea what they're talking about n

All based on myths of course so sadly people who believe in this mumbo jumbo are sheep and cannot think for themselves.
That is why secular societies are far better than bullshit religious societies.

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:35 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Myabe they were crap Muslims then.
So you are taught to lie and you have given an example where this is possible.
I just think its very funny to wind up such an idiot as yourself.
Like I say you have far more in common with the fundemntalist Christians.

Great - so you think my parents were crap Muslims. Lol!

Clearly didn't understand what I said, and you choose to spread the same bigotry.

And like I said, you're just as bigoted as Vod, Hf and Smelly.

Hope you enjoy wallowing in filth.

I asked a question whether they were.

I jujst do not care for an idiot like yourself who has just proven he is bigoted against homosexuals because he follows man made views written 1400 years ago. So to claim I am bigoted is hilarious making you the biggest hypocrite going.

So at the end of the day you see the poster Eilzel as a sin and he does not wrong to you but because of your inane beliefs in a book which you was written by a clear schizophrenic, shows why are very much gullible.

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:36 am

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Cuchulain wrote:

All based on myths of course so sadly people who believe in this mumbo jumbo are sheep and cannot think for themselves.
That is why secular societies are far better than bullshit religious societies.

You call following Sam Harris "thinking for yourself".

lol!

I do not back everything Sam says, which means I have choice.
He does not impose that I follow his views either.
You see this is why you are a tad thick to be honest.

lol

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:46 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

I think you have far nore in common.
You both believe in mythical deities that are barbaric.
You are both homophobic and bigoted
You both follow a deity that has conditions with love.
You both belioeve through fear.
Muslims are taught to lie, are you saying this is untrue?

Yes, I'm saying that's untrue.

My parents didn't take me aside as child and encourage me to lie to non- Muslims. We don't have lessons in lying where we are taught to lie.

Are you that stupid?

You are not allowed or taught how to lie.

You are only permitted to deny your religion, under threat of death. I.e if someone threatens to kill me for being Muslim, I can lie and tell I'm not. To save my life.

If you can't see the difference between that and lying to non-Muslims, you're an idiot.

But i thought you lot believe that Allah made everything happen

Surely if allah has decreed you must die then tellinga porky wont save your ass??

I suppose it contrasts nicley the vast difference between islam and Christianity though

Most Christians who are murdered by Muslims are normally killed because they refuse to abandon their religion

I guess you Muslim just dont have as robust a faith as Christians do

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:49 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

I do not back everything Sam says, which means I have choice.
He does not impose that I follow his views either.
You see this is why you are a tad thick to be honest.

lol

Why are you such an intellectual snob?  Lol!

Why do you have to insult people who are less intelligent than you?

Are you that insecure?

Take care - and calm down

I love taking the piss out of you mainly because you are a bigoted idiot.

I just think its funny how you get so emotive with religion.

Which shows your insecurities not mine.

Its called having a sense oif humour which you clearly lack

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:57 am

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Cuchulain wrote:

I love taking the piss out of you mainly because you are a bigoted idiot.

I just think its funny how you get so emotive with religion.

Which shows your insecurities not mine.

Its called having a sense oif humour which you clearly lack

I see - taking the piss out of people less intelligent is your sense of humour.

Does that make you feel good?

Why do you think it has to do with intelligence?
People religious can be intelligent.
Gullible and very naive, but some are intelligent.
Just in your case I find it hilarious you always bite.

Laughing

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