Stitching-up claimants is all part of the job, says Jobcentre insider

by Guest Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:15 pm

First topic message reminder :

Last week Iain Duncan Smith met a whistle-blower who has worked for his Department for Work and Pensions for more than 20 years.

Giving the Secretary of State a dossier of evidence, the former Jobcentre Plus adviser told him of a “brutal and bullying” culture of “setting claimants up to fail”.

“The pressure to sanction customers was constant,” he said. “It led to people being stitched-up on a daily basis.”

The man wishes to be anonymous but gave his details to IDS, DWP minister Esther McVey and Neil Couling, Head of Jobcentre Plus, who also attended the meeting.

“We were constantly told ‘agitate the customer’ and that ‘any engagement with the customer is an opportunity to sanction’,” he told them.

Labour MP Debbie Abrahams, the member of the DWP Select Committee who set up the meeting, has renewed her call for an inquiry into inappropriate sanctioning.

“I am deeply concerned that sanctions are being used to create the illusion the Government is bringing down unemployment,” she said.

Sanctions pre-date the Coalition as a way of ensuring benefit claimants, who include the jobless and sick and disabled people on Employment Support Allowance, attend appointments and apply for jobs. But under the Tory-led Government, they have soared – to 897,690 a year from the most recent data.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stitching-up-claimants-part-job-says-3537051

from May last year...but no better if not worse Now....

and you wonder why I consider those who work for this shameful organisation to be entirely without honour...

In fact come the revolution i would put them against the brick wall first...

IDS and his troupe of performing monkeys are merely self seeking low lifes

these people are traitors to their own.......

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:08 pm

Besides... why are charity shops even being disbursed when you can get new clothes cheap from primark and other places...!?

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:12 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Besides... why are charity shops even being disbursed when you can get new clothes cheap from primark and other places...!?

thats the first sensible thing you have said
but i did not bring up the point unemployed people should use charity shops
i am talking about the general stigma still attached to them

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:15 pm

sassy wrote: Delays and disarray shatter lives of new disability claimants
Disabled and ill people unable to get to hospital and forced out of their homes as personal independence payments (PIP) come under scrutiny by MPs

Mark Harper, the minister for disabled people, will appear in front of the work and pensions select committee on Wednesday today to defend the government’s troubled record on implementation of the new disability benefit, the personal independence payment (PIP).

He will be hoping that the session goes more smoothly than last June’s hearing on the same subject by the public accounts committee when its chair, Margaret Hodge, said the launch of the new assessment system had been “nothing short of a fiasco” and accused the government of letting down “some of the most vulnerable in society”.

Over the past year, charities have highlighted the enormous distress experienced by people who have faced serious delays in being assessed, with some facing waits of up to 14 months for the benefit to be paid.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/27/delays-disability-benefit-pip-claimants-mps-scrutiny

That was back in January, it's no better. You cannot claim ESA anymore, you have to claim for PIP.

Are you sure? There seems to be a lot of info out there on how to claim ESA. I read that PIP is replacing DLA, not ESA.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:16 pm

You're still going on about perception and stigma... I think this is just in your head because you Are a snob!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You're still going on about perception and stigma... I think this is just in your head because you Are a snob!

This stuff about "stigma" is not something I would agree about at all.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:20 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Besides... why are charity shops even being disbursed when you can get new clothes cheap from primark and other places...!?

thats the first sensible thing you have said
but i did not bring up the point unemployed people should use charity shops
i am talking about the general stigma still attached to them

I mentioned them, and you went mental!

Like !!second hand goods ? what about have no choice!! and Charity shops are booming What does that tell you raggs
living of others throw always .................yes what a great country to live in !!
some of you guys think its should be more like the 1800 than 2015 but as awlays its a case of "I`m all right jack" screw you

I didn't mention the unemployed in particular though.

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:26 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
thats the first sensible thing you have said
but i did not bring up the point unemployed people should use charity shops
i am talking about the general stigma still attached to them

I mentioned them, and you went mental!

Like !!second hand goods ? what about have no choice!! and Charity shops are booming What does that tell you raggs
living of others throw always .................yes what a great country to live in !!
some of you guys think its should be more like the 1800 than 2015 but as awlays its a case of "I`m all right jack" screw you

I didn't mention the unemployed in particular though.

yet that`s what this thread is about isn`t it raggs!!
And i was not the one who brought charity shops in to the conversation as an alternative for the low waged and unemployed that i think was you or Tommy

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:26 pm

There's nothing wrong with Primark. However, the stuff in Primark has probably been trampled on the floor more times than the clothes in a charity shop. lol!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:27 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I mentioned them, and you went mental!

I didn't mention the unemployed in particular though.
yet that`s what this thread is about isn`t it raggs!!
And i was not the one who brought charity shops in to the conversation as an alternative for the low waged and unemployed that i think was you or Tommy

Well no, it's about people who claim benefits, and it's not just the unemployed who claim benefits. I was actually replying to Irn at the time, who appeared to be shocked at the idea of second hand clothes - just like you are. Laughing

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You're still going on about perception and stigma... I think this is just in your head because you Are a snob!

This stuff about "stigma" is not something I would agree about at all.

but its a fact as you should have read in one of my posts ,look back for "Mary queen of shops" follow the link

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
yet that`s what this thread is about isn`t it raggs!!
And i was not the one who brought charity shops in to the conversation as an alternative for the low waged and unemployed that i think was you or Tommy

Well no, it's about people who claim benefits, and it's not just the unemployed who claim benefits. I was actually replying to Irn at the time, who appeared to be shocked at the idea of second hand clothes - just like you are.

shocked at the idea of having to rely on second hand clothes as a way of life
yes i find that pretty shocking in this day and age

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:32 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

This stuff about "stigma" is not something I would agree about at all.
but its a fact as you should have read in one of my posts ,look back for "Mary queen of shops" follow the link

I cannot find such a post.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:33 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well no, it's about people who claim benefits, and it's not just the unemployed who claim benefits. I was actually replying to Irn at the time, who appeared to be shocked at the idea of second hand clothes - just like you are.
shocked at the idea of second hand clothes as a way of life
yes i find that pretty shocking in this day and age

See, that's what I don't get at all. It seems perfectly OK to me.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:35 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I mentioned them, and you went mental!

I didn't mention the unemployed in particular though.
yet that`s what this thread is about isn`t it raggs!!
And i was not the one who brought charity shops in to the conversation as an alternative for the low waged and unemployed that i think was you or Tommy

It is an alternative for everyone and people on low wages or unemployed should be a bit more savvy and A bit less snobbish...

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:There's nothing wrong with Primark. However, the stuff in Primark has probably been trampled on the floor more times than the clothes in a charity shop.

Something from the charity shop would probably be better quality, last longer, and you won't be walking along seeing every other bugger wearing it too!!!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:There's nothing wrong with Primark. However, the stuff in Primark has probably been trampled on the floor more times than the clothes in a charity shop.

Something from the charity shop would probably be better quality, last longer, and you won't be walking along seeing every other bugger wearing it too!!!

That's right Tommy! Of course the downside is that if you see something you like, it might not be in your size, but hey ... Laughing

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:40 pm

I think this all started when I asked if anyone had been told to put on an extra jumper when they were cold, and Korban asked what if people couldn't afford an extra jumper. I said get one from a jumble or a charity shop. The Irn took umbrage at that, and Korban took even more umbrage. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:42 pm

I think the only thing I'm wearing today which I bought new is a cardigan, which I got about 20 years ago. Laughing

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
but its a fact as you should have read in one of my posts ,look back for "Mary queen of shops" follow the link

I cannot find such a post.

so why do we bother replying to you if you don`t even have the courtesy to read reply s

http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/article/23080/Canterbury-students-film-with-Mary-Queen-of-Shops

Fashion and textiles students from the University for the Creative Arts, Canterbury, will be selling customised clothes they have made in an Orpington charity shop on Saturday 14 February.

They are taking part in a documentary with Mary Portas, star of BBC2's Mary Queen of Shops, which aims to challenge public perceptions of charity shops.

Part of Mary's campaign is to challenge the stigma that prevents people using charity shops, change the demographic that donate, volunteer and shop there, and improve the quality of goods available. She aims to make them more of a community centre and a 'living market', selling donations that represent the spirit of the area and appeal to a wider group of people.

there i have made it easy for you wouldn't want you to have to click a link would we you could break a nail or something

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:42 pm

Apart from underwear of course ... lol!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:43 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I cannot find such a post.
so why do we bother replying to you if you don`t even have the courtesy to read reply s

http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/article/23080/Canterbury-students-film-with-Mary-Queen-of-Shops

Fashion and textiles students from the University for the Creative Arts, Canterbury, will be selling customised clothes they have made in an Orpington charity shop on Saturday 14 February.

They are taking part in a documentary with Mary Portas, star of BBC2's Mary Queen of Shops, which aims to challenge public perceptions of charity shops.

Part of Mary's campaign is to challenge the stigma that prevents people using charity shops, change the demographic that donate, volunteer and shop there, and improve the quality of goods available. She aims to make them more of a community centre and a 'living market', selling donations that represent the spirit of the area and appeal to a wider group of people.

there i have made it easy for you wouldn't want you to have to click a link would we you could break a nail or something

There's no need to be so rude. I searched your posts and I couldn't find the post, that's all. Calm down and stop being so fucking obnoxious.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:45 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Something from the charity shop would probably be better quality, last longer, and you won't be walking along seeing every other bugger wearing it too!!!

That's right Tommy! Of course the downside is that if you see something you like, it might not be in your size, but hey ...

Sounds just like primark...!!!

lol!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

That's right Tommy! Of course the downside is that if you see something you like, it might not be in your size, but hey ...

Sounds just like primark...!!!

That's true. The sizing in Primark is a bit hit and miss. Laughing

A tip for the ladies. If you buy something from Ebay in an "Asian" size, go up about five sizes. Laughing

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
so why do we bother replying to you if you don`t even have the courtesy to read reply s

http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/article/23080/Canterbury-students-film-with-Mary-Queen-of-Shops

Fashion and textiles students from the University for the Creative Arts, Canterbury, will be selling customised clothes they have made in an Orpington charity shop on Saturday 14 February.

They are taking part in a documentary with Mary Portas, star of BBC2's Mary Queen of Shops, which aims to challenge public perceptions of charity shops.

Part of Mary's campaign is to challenge the stigma that prevents people using charity shops, change the demographic that donate, volunteer and shop there, and improve the quality of goods available. She aims to make them more of a community centre and a 'living market', selling donations that represent the spirit of the area and appeal to a wider group of people.

there i have made it easy for you wouldn't want you to have to click a link would we you could break a nail or something

There's no need to be so rude. I searched your posts and I couldn't find the post, that's all. Calm down and stop being so fucking obnoxious.

i was being sarcastic not rude and being rude is not against any rules other wise you would be just as bad as everybody else
and if being obnoxious was a crime you would have been locked up long before me

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:47 pm

So Mary portas said something so it must be true eh...!?

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:50 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
so why do we bother replying to you if you don`t even have the courtesy to read reply s

http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/article/23080/Canterbury-students-film-with-Mary-Queen-of-Shops

Fashion and textiles students from the University for the Creative Arts, Canterbury, will be selling customised clothes they have made in an Orpington charity shop on Saturday 14 February.

They are taking part in a documentary with Mary Portas, star of BBC2's Mary Queen of Shops, which aims to challenge public perceptions of charity shops.

Part of Mary's campaign is to challenge the stigma that prevents people using charity shops, change the demographic that donate, volunteer and shop there, and improve the quality of goods available. She aims to make them more of a community centre and a 'living market', selling donations that represent the spirit of the area and appeal to a wider group of people.

there i have made it easy for you wouldn't want you to have to click a link would we you could break a nail or something

There's no need to be so rude. I searched your posts and I couldn't find the post, that's all. Calm down and stop being so fucking obnoxious.

well i suggest try reading them when posted or thake the time to go trough them when your back instead of searching for them after the fact nothing worse than jumping in after missing half the points made
And i am very calm thanks how about you ?

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

So Mary portas said something so it must be true eh...!?

Mary Portas is an English retail consultant and broadcaster, known for her retail- and business-related television shows, and her appointment by David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, to lead a review into the future of Britain's high streets.

well Tommy it seems Cameron values her opinion and insight

i would check your skivies you may have left another skid mark Suspect

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:00 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

There's no need to be so rude. I searched your posts and I couldn't find the post, that's all. Calm down and stop being so fucking obnoxious.
well i suggest try reading them when posted or thake the time to go trough them when your back instead of searching for them after the fact nothing worse than jumping in after missing half the points made
And i am very calm thanks how about you ?

I have now found the reference. You posted a reference to Mary Portas at 11.03 - after I specifically told you that I was going out earlier than that, so clearly I couldn't reply at the time. There was no link with the post either.

I replied to that post when I came home, and I addressed your point about "stigma". I don't think that one woman speaks for everyone, does she?

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:01 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

So Mary portas said something so it must be true eh...!?

Mary Portas is an English retail consultant and broadcaster, known for her retail- and business-related television shows, and her appointment by David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, to lead a review into the future of Britain's high streets.

well Tommy it seems Cameron values her opinion and insight

i would check your skivies you may have left another skid mark

Oh well, if Mr Cameron values her opinion and insight, she must be right.

That was sarcasm by the way.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:04 pm

You're gonna need a hammer and bolster on your skiddies KD...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625605/More-half-stores-helped-Mary-Queen-Shops-Portas-BBC-closed.html

Maybe you should get yourself a cleaner pair from a charity shop...!!!

lol!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You're gonna need a hammer and bolster on your skiddies KD...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625605/More-half-stores-helped-Mary-Queen-Shops-Portas-BBC-closed.html

Maybe you should get yourself a cleaner pair from a charity shop...!!!

Oh dear.

Mary didn't make herself popular in the village. She has some good ideas but she thinks everyone comes from Hampstead Heath.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:08 pm

Read the rest of The article...

Oh dear indeed!!!

lol!

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:12 pm

Hamstead heath is full of snobby leftie champagne socialists so maybe that's where she gets her ideas on charity shops having a stigma...!!!???

lol!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Hamstead heath is full of snobby leftie champagne socialists so maybe that's where she gets her ideas on charity shops having a stigma...!!!???

Probably.

I don't think she was a very good example to use somehow.

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:15 pm

Perhaps both of you should take the empathy test, you obviously are lacking in it.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:17 pm

sassy wrote:Perhaps both of you should take the empathy test, you obviously are lacking in it.

Because we don't think that Mary Portas is a very good example?

Yeah, right. lol!

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:18 pm

Fuck off sassy!!!

lol!

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:21 pm

I mean - if Tommy and I were sitting here saying that we bought expensive new things, and that everyone else should buy second hand things, I could understand Sassy's obnoxious comment, but we're the ones saying we do it ourselves.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:24 pm

Yes rags... we're being nasty bullies in our second hand clothes... making the lefties look like the snobby hypocrites they are!!!

How naughty of us both!!!

lol!

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:27 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You're gonna need a hammer and bolster on your skiddies KD...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625605/More-half-stores-helped-Mary-Queen-Shops-Portas-BBC-closed.html

Maybe you should get yourself a cleaner pair from a charity shop...!!!

the fact she cites the general perception of charity shops is the point ,not the fact her business have closed but did you read the reasons she points to the closures ? big company`s taking her summer business

so how citing a failure is grounds to dismiss her opinion is just desperate

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes rags... we're being nasty bullies in our second hand clothes... making the lefties look like the snobby hypocrites they are!!!

How naughty of us both!!!

I know!

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes rags... we're being nasty bullies in our second hand clothes... making the lefties look like the snobby hypocrites they are!!!

How naughty of us both!!!

in your dreams i dont feel bullied in the slightest but strange that you think you have

that says a lot about you idiots more than it says about me Smile

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:30 pm

The article points out a lot more than that!!!

There are some snobby twats out there who look down their noses at charity shops...

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:32 pm

So then, people who look down on second hand clothes have "empathy"?

What a strange view - even for a leftie. lol!

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The article points out a lot more than that!!!

There are some snobby twats out there who look down their noses at charity shops...

i love it when you make my point for me and more than you might think

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So then, people who look down on second hand clothes have "empathy"?

What a strange view - even for a leftie.

eh ?

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:35 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So then, people who look down on second hand clothes have "empathy"?

What a strange view - even for a leftie.
eh ?

Sassy thinks Tommy and I lack empathy because we don't see anything wrong with second hand clothes. Therefore, it follows that she thinks those who do see something with them have empathy.

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So then, people who look down on second hand clothes have "empathy"?

What a strange view - even for a leftie.

You do like making yourself look a total tit. The empathy you are lacking in, shows in the way you think of people who are struggling desperately, you and Tommy have a real problem, and I'm not wasting my time talking to people without an empathy button.

by Guest Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
eh ?

Sassy thinks Tommy and I lack empathy because we don't see anything wrong with second hand clothes. Therefore, it follows that she thinks those who do see something with them have empathy.

so why is it a reply to me ?

by Raggamuffin Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The article points out a lot more than that!!!

There are some snobby twats out there who look down their noses at charity shops...

Yes, and at least one of them is on here. Laughing

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