Read what this Christian pastor promises to do if his children are gay

John Pavlovitz is an 18-year local church ministry veteran.

He is currently the pastor of a house church community called North Wake House Church, and also a volunteer at North Raleigh Community Church.

He is married to wife, Jennifer, and has two young children, Noah and Selah. He’s also a keen blogger, and a blog that he posted last week – entitled ‘If I Have Gay Children: Four Promises From A Christian Pastor/Parent’ has gone viral and prompted thousands of comments.

If I Have Gay Children: Four Promises From A Christian Pastor/Parent

Sometimes I wonder if I’ll have gay children.

I’m not sure if other parents think about this, but I do; quite often.

Maybe it’s because I have many gay people in my family and circle of friends. It’s in my genes and in my tribe.

Maybe it’s because, as a pastor of students, I’ve seen and heard the horror stories of gay Christian kids, from both inside and outside of the closet, trying to be part of the Church.

Maybe it’s because, as a Christian, I interact with so many people who find homosexuality to be the most repulsive thing imaginable, and who make that abundantly clear at every conceivable opportunity.

1) If I have gay children, you’ll all know it.

My children won’t be our family’s best-kept secret.

I won’t talk around them in conversations with others. I won’t speak in code or vague language. I won’t try to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes, and I won’t try to spare the feelings of those who may be older, or easily offended, or uncomfortable.

2) If I have gay children, I’ll pray for them.

I won’t pray for them to be made ‘normal’. I’ve lived long enough to know that if my children are gay, that is their normal.

I won’t pray that God will heal or change or fix them. I will pray for God to protect them; from the ignorance and hatred and violence that the world will throw at them, simply because of who they are.

3) If I have gay children, I’ll love them.

I don’t mean some token, distant, tolerant love that stays at a safe arm’s length. It will be an extravagant, open hearted, unapologetic, lavish, embarrassing-them-in-the-school cafeteria, kind of love.

I won’t love them despite their sexuality, and I won’t love them because of it. I will love them; simply because they’re sweet, and funny, and caring, and smart, and kind, and stubborn, and flawed, and original, and beautiful… and mine.

4) If I have gay children, most likely; I have gay children.

If my kids are going to be gay, well they pretty much already are.

God has already created them and wired them, and placed the seed of who they are within them. Psalm 139 says that He, ‘stitched them together in their mother’s womb’. The incredibly intricate stuff that makes them uniquely them; once-in-History souls, has already been uploaded into their very cells.

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heavenlyfatheragain wrote:good for him and good for his opinion, I like "if" it keeps you away from the actual reality....

Vicar of Dibley wrote:is there an echo on this forum

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:is there an echo on this forum

Sometimes people agree, especially on nice stories. Shame you are on the wrong side of that divide

eddie wrote:If I were chopping carrots, and my son came in and told me he was gay......I'd carry on chopping carrots.

Ben_Reilly wrote:I always heard that the most famous American evangelical preacher, Billy Graham, was asked on Hugh Downs' show if he had a gay son, would he still love him. Graham replied, "I would love him more."

It's good to see Christians living their faith, showing compassion and rejecting hate.

Eilzel wrote:You wouldn't tell him he was wrong? Or that being gay is abnormal? Or that he couldn't sleep with his boyfriend in your house? Or that you wouldn't attend his wedding? Or that he can't be a real Christian?

Eilzel wrote:You wouldn't tell him he was wrong? Or that being gay is abnormal? Or that he couldn't sleep with his boyfriend in your house? Or that you wouldn't attend his wedding? Or that he can't be a real Christian?

Ben_Reilly wrote:I always heard that the most famous American evangelical preacher, Billy Graham, was asked on Hugh Downs' show if he had a gay son, would he still love him. Graham replied, "I would love him more."

It's good to see Christians living their faith, showing compassion and rejecting hate.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Eilzel wrote:You wouldn't tell him he was wrong? Or that being gay is abnormal? Or that he couldn't sleep with his boyfriend in your house? Or that you wouldn't attend his wedding? Or that he can't be a real Christian?

if a child of yours took a shit in the kitchen would you say it was wrong and abnormal...

hypothetical question of course...

Cuchulain wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

if a child of yours took a shit in the kitchen would you say it was wrong and abnormal...

hypothetical question of course...

Absurd reasoning again.
Which has no relevance being born gay and a child learning and being taught that there is already a facility provided to hygienically dispose of human waste. To say abnormal is just desperation on your part because its not abnormal to empty our bowels. You cannot teach a child they are not gay. In fact that is child abuse denying the child as to who they are. It abuse because it is psychologically falsely teaching a child they are abnormal, where homosexuality is not an abnormality. If we go by your reasoning the following are abnormal.

People with green eyes.
People with amber eyes
People with ginger hair.

I could go on the list is endless but there is no logic or sense to your post.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Absurd reasoning again.
Which has no relevance being born gay and a child learning and being taught that there is already a facility provided to hygienically dispose of human waste. To say abnormal is just desperation on your part because its not abnormal to empty our bowels. You cannot teach a child they are not gay. In fact that is child abuse denying the child as to who they are. It abuse because it is psychologically falsely teaching a child they are abnormal, where homosexuality is not an abnormality. If we go by your reasoning the following are abnormal.

People with green eyes.
People with amber eyes
People with ginger hair.

I could go on the list is endless but there is no logic or sense to your post.

I guess we are back to the gay gene again?? have they found by chance, surely all the gays franticly looking for an excuse, oops reason...

Cuchulain wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

I guess we are back to the gay gene again?? have they found by chance, surely all the gays franticly looking for an excuse, oops reason...

Actually I think we are back to the need for you to go back to school and finish the education you denied yourself from.
The only excuses I see coming out is in regards to your need to excuse being utterly hateful and vile.
Again you have not made any valid points.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Actually I think we are back to the need for you to go back to school and finish the education you denied yourself from.
The only excuses I see coming out is in regards to your need to excuse being utterly hateful and vile.
Again you have not made any valid points.

it would have been so much easier and quicker for you to reply  "oh i have no argument now i better call him names so i don't look an idiot" but in reality I guess you did...

Eilzel wrote:Cop out VoD.

You said to Eds you'd just carry on chopping it your son said he was gay.

But now you say its a honosexual demon.

So would you carry on chopping in that hypothetical scenario (like you answered Eds) or would you address the problem of the demon?

Or were you simply lying to Eds?

Eilzel wrote:Cop out VoD.

You said to Eds you'd just carry on chopping it your son said he was gay.

But now you say its a honosexual demon.

So would you carry on chopping in that hypothetical scenario (like you answered Eds) or would you address the problem of the demon?

Or were you simply lying to Eds?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Cop out VoD.

You said to Eds you'd just carry on chopping it your son said he was gay.

But now you say its a honosexual demon.

So would you carry on chopping in that hypothetical scenario (like you answered Eds) or would you address the problem of the demon?

Or were you simply lying to Eds?

why do you bother asking things if you always just want your own answer back...

start a thread and talk to yourself....

while the dinner was cooking we would pray the demon out of him....

Cuchulain wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

why do you bother asking things if you always just want your own answer back...

start a thread and talk to yourself....

while the dinner was cooking we would pray the demon out of him....

PMSL
We ask questions of people who hold irrational view points to further understand why they are led to such poor conclusions like yourself.
We are now being taken into the realms of yet more fantasy now with claims to beings where there is no proof they exist in Demons. To top off this irrational view this imaginary demon is then fought with prayer.
I think its utterly important to ask such people when they last went to have a mental health check up?

Eilzel wrote:VoD, I don't care about the demon.

Eds said she'd carry on cooling, because she wouldn't have a problem with her son being gay.

You said you'd also carry on- but then what (and you already addressed the hypothetical situation with Eds so just carry on.

Would you tell him he was abnormal? Would you tell him he couldn't be a real Christian? Would you tell him he couldn't sleep with his boyfriend in your house?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

PMSL
We ask questions of people who hold irrational view points to further understand why they are led to such poor conclusions like yourself.
We are now being taken into the realms of yet more fantasy now with claims to beings where there is no proof they exist in Demons. To top off this irrational view this imaginary demon is then fought with prayer.
I think its utterly important to ask such people when they last went to have a mental health check up?

I guess it would like someone believing everything the pharma companies said, or science says without any chance of checking what they are telling you is true, perhaps your own "blind" faith in men is your problem....

Eilzel wrote:VoD, I don't care about the demon.

Eds said she'd carry on cooling, because she wouldn't have a problem with her son being gay.

You said you'd also carry on- but then what (and you already addressed the hypothetical situation with Eds so just carry on.

Would you tell him he was abnormal? Would you tell him he couldn't be a real Christian? Would you tell him he couldn't sleep with his boyfriend in your house?

Cuchulain wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

I guess it would like someone believing everything the pharma companies said, or science says without any chance of checking what they are telling you is true, perhaps your own "blind" faith in men is your problem....

Would you now and with that I am not surprised you feel that way because again paranoia has led to you to buy into more pseudo sites that play on your paranoia and fear, by selling fear to you, that you failed in the first instance to question the claims. As you have no free will as I proved, your paranoia and fear deny you the ability to question the claims you now freely accept.
Where as many rational people will study the research and studies carried out and see the results for themselves. Luckily within science it allows itself to be wrong, as it constantly questions. Your lack of free will denies you the ability to actually think for yourself.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Would you now and with that I am not surprised you feel that way because again paranoia has led to you to buy into more pseudo sites that play on your paranoia and fear, by selling fear to you, that you failed in the first instance to question the claims. As you have no free will as I proved, your paranoia and fear deny you the ability to question the claims you now freely accept.
Where as many rational people will study the research and studies carried out and see the results for themselves. Luckily within science it allows itself to be wrong, as it constantly questions. Your lack of free will denies you the ability to actually think for yourself.

you have proved nothing as usual accept in your own mind...

99% of those who trust in medicine and science have no chance of testing anything they are told, that is about as blind as blind faith can get....

Eilzel wrote:I don't believe in demons, my 4 year relationship is not the work of mythical creatures. And You're being a coward by not addressing the question Dibs.

Would you tell him it was wrong, unChristian and him abnormal or not?

Eilzel wrote:I don't believe in demons, my 4 year relationship is not the work of mythical creatures. And You're being a coward by not addressing the question Dibs.

Would you tell him it was wrong, unChristian and him abnormal or not?

Cuchulain wrote:

Eilzel wrote:I don't believe in demons, my 4 year relationship is not the work of mythical creatures. And You're being a coward by not addressing the question Dibs.

Would you tell him it was wrong, unChristian and him abnormal or not?

HF is struggling to understand you have him on ignore.
He thinks by a question he keeps repeating to you, he is making you look in fear of him to answer.
lol talk about insecurities. He needs to create a need for him to look good or intelligent, even though he knows you have him on ignore.
His lack of maturity levels is hilarious
Even worse I answered his question and showed it to be absurd and of no comparison.

Have a good day buddy as off out. I really find even debating him sooo boring.

Cuchulain wrote:

Eilzel wrote:I don't believe in demons, my 4 year relationship is not the work of mythical creatures. And You're being a coward by not addressing the question Dibs.

Would you tell him it was wrong, unChristian and him abnormal or not?

HF is struggling to understand you have him on ignore.
He thinks by a question he keeps repeating to you, he is making you look in fear of him to answer.
lol talk about insecurities. He needs to create a need for him to look good or intelligent, even though he knows you have him on ignore.
His lack of maturity levels is hilarious
Even worse I answered his question and showed it to be absurd and of no comparison.

Have a good day buddy as off out. I really find even debating him sooo boring.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:VoD, I don't care about the demon.

Eds said she'd carry on cooling, because she wouldn't have a problem with her son being gay.

You said you'd also carry on- but then what (and you already addressed the hypothetical situation with Eds so just carry on.

Would you tell him he was abnormal? Would you tell him he couldn't be a real Christian? Would you tell him he couldn't sleep with his boyfriend in your house?

My son's  girlfriends were not allowed to sleep at our house we do not allow it , so i guess a homosexual boyfriend is also not allowed .

You should care about the demon because that's why you're with a man instead of a woman .

My son's know homosexuality is not normal and as Christians if they had any homosexual tendencies they would ask for deliverance as they know what demonic spirits can do .

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

My son's  girlfriends were not allowed to sleep at our house we do not allow it , so i guess a homosexual boyfriend is also not allowed .

You should care about the demon because that's why you're with a man instead of a woman .

My son's know homosexuality is not normal and as Christians if they had any homosexual tendencies they would ask for deliverance as they know what demonic spirits can do .

this is the same post again les....lol


would you tell the child, you can't have, that taking a shit on the kitchen table is abnormal??

or are you too much of a coward to answer...?? Smile

do you believe in ghosts or aliens?? Smile

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

this is the same post again les....lol


would you tell the child, you can't have, that taking a shit on the kitchen table is abnormal??

or are you too much of a coward to answer...?? Smile

do you believe in ghosts or aliens?? Smile

good question

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

good question

What that?

I'd tell the kid its disgusting to shit on a table and never to do it again.

SO now I've answered that (ridiculous) question VoD. What would you tell your son?

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

good question

What that?

I'd tell the kid its disgusting to shit on a table and never to do it again.

SO now I've answered that (ridiculous) question VoD. What would you tell your son?

Vicar of Dibley wrote:homosexuality is a demon son and you know what the bible says about demons and homosexuality .

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:homosexuality is a demon son and you know what the bible says about demons and homosexuality .

I see, that's your answer.

So would you then tell him he cannot be Christian and gay, and that he is abnormal?

(Apologies for previous reply, it wasn't clear that was what you would say at first).

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

I see, that's your answer.

So would you then tell him he cannot be Christian and gay, and that he is abnormal?

(Apologies for previous reply, it wasn't clear that was what you would say at first).

scripture tells anyone this so no need , the bible gives us direction for life and a life full of joy and peace. Homosexuals cannot have true peace as they have a demonic spirit working against them .

This is my answer take it or leave it . My son is not gay and neither was or is Billy Grahams nor is the Pastor in this thread he said 'if' and there is a big difference there .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:you don't have true peace at all Les , you're constantly trying to justify your homosexualty and searching for Christians who accept you but the truth is the Pastors Vicars are going against the word of God , it might convince you that God accepts you but his word doesn't the bible is clear on this . I'm not saying homosexuals can't accept Jesus because they can , but if they are still having sexual intercourse with their boyfriend or lesbians still sinning then they are going against the word of God and obviously have no intention of living a Godly life .

I know you say you don't believe , but i don't get your need to be accepted by God and churches ?