I'm not British but I live here and pay my taxes. Shouldn't I have a vote in the EU referendum?

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

An Italian asks why long-term British residents like her should be denied a vote on Britain's place in the European Union:

There is concern among Eurosceptic MPs about the possibility of 1.5 million EU citizens residing in the UK being granted a vote in David Cameron's EU Referendum, depending on which electoral register is used in that vote.
EU citizens like me are not on the General Election voter register but we appear on a separate electoral register for local council and European Parliament elections.
The franchise for the referendum won’t be decided for some months but it promises to be one of the trickiest aspects of deciding what it means to have a ‘full and fair’ referendum, to use Nigel Farage’s expression.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11614826/Im-not-British-but-I-live-here-and-pay-my-taxes.-Shouldnt-I-have-a-vote-in-the-EU-referendum.html

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 7:49 pm

No, they get to vote on EU parliament members.

This is not about electing EU parliament people.

This is a matter of national constitution.

Foreign nationals do not get to vote on national parliamentary matters.

These are the rules dodge... you only want them to be allowed to vote because they are likely to vote to stay in the EU.

They are perfectly entitled to vote in a referendum in their own countries continued membership of THe EU or not... but it is up to British people to decide whether Britain remains in the EU or not.

lol!

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 7:52 pm

darknessss wrote:Tommy Is right in tghis instance

it is NOT an E.U matter per se...

It IS soley a british constitutional matter

question ....

were foreign nationals allowed to vote on the IN referendum

I'll bet they were not....

but keep it up,
keep pushing for that

the liberalists and leftys conbined...

becasue the more this is pushed , the more people will vote NO, because they will see the whole thing (the E.U) for the fraud it is....

But that is a falsehood to say it is a British only matter when you have EU residents here and who have children born in this country. So clearly people in residency, just like with the Scottish referendum, should be allowed to vote because such an outcome could effect them.
This is what you are failing to grasp, they are residents of this country and at present have rights as EU citizens. There is no such written law on the matter either.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 7:52 pm

but it shows how desperate the E.U minions are ...the countdown to the referendum hasnt even started and they are trying to gerrymander the vote already...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 7:54 pm

darknessss wrote:but it shows how desperate the E.U minions are ...the countdown to the referendum hasnt even started and they are trying to gerrymander the vote already...

But that is a falsehood to say it is a British only matter when you have EU residents here and who have children born in this country. So clearly people in residency, just like with the Scottish referendum, should be allowed to vote because such an outcome could effect them.
This is what you are failing to grasp, they are residents of this country and at present have rights as EU citizens. There is no such written law on the matter either.

Who gets to vote?

The question over who will be able to cast a ballot in the EU referendum is far more complicated than may initially meet the eye.

In last week’s UK parliamentary general elections British citizens, and qualifying Commonwealth citizens and citizens of the Republic of Ireland resident in the UK were, if registered, eligible to vote.

These same criteria were used in the 2011 AV referendum.

However, citizens of EU countries residing in the UK can vote in elections for local government and the European parliament . And, following the precedent set by the Greater London Authority, EU citizens can also vote in elections for the Scottish parliament, the National Assembly for Wales, and the Northern Ireland Assembly if they are registered in Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland respectively.

And EU nationals were able to cast a ballot in last year’s Scottish independence referendum. This is because the eligibility criteria in that vote was grounded on residency, and not on citizenship alone, which meant that EU nationals living in Scotland could have a say, while Scots not residing in Scotland couldn’t. Also, the minimum age for voting in that referendum was lowered to 16 instead of 18, which is the normal voting arrangement in UK elections.

Although of course not a UK election, Ireland held two referendums to ratify the Treaty of Nice. Unlike in the country’s parliamentary elections, where British citizens residing in the Republic can vote, only Irish citizens could cast ballots those votes and are eligible to vote in constitutional referendums.

Overall there is no “right” eligibility criteria. Without a written constitution, it’s all about which precedent and set of principles – citizenship, nationality or residence – the government will choose to pursue. Arguments in favour, or against, all of these approaches is valid, and equally balanced with pros and cons.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 7:56 pm

Dodge... you have previously claimed that you want to see tighter controls on immigration...

You also know that while we remain in the EU of have open door to half a billion people and no control on any of those being able to enter and stay as long as they like...

You also know that free movement is a non negotiable part of being in the EU...

So please explain why you would like to stay in the EU and continue to have no control over our borders (or 80% of our laws)?

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 7:58 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
darknessss wrote:Tommy Is right in tghis instance

it is NOT an E.U matter per se...

It IS soley a british constitutional matter

question ....

were foreign nationals allowed to vote on the IN referendum

I'll bet they were not....

but keep it up,
keep pushing for that

the liberalists and leftys conbined...

becasue the more this is pushed , the more people will vote NO, because they will see the whole thing (the E.U) for the fraud it is....

But that is a falsehood to say it is a British only matter when you have EU residents here and who have children born in this country. So clearly people in residency, just like with the Scottish referendum, should be allowed to vote because such an outcome could effect them.
This is what you are failing to grasp, they are residents of this country and at present have rights as EU citizens. There is no such written law on the matter either.

then if there isnt any law ..they DONT have the right....

the rights of the E.U do not count as this is a BRITISH constitutional matter

LAW says (in general) ONLY those who have a "true interest" shall have representation in a matter of law

they DO NOT have "true interest"

they are foreign therefore "their" interests may NOT be in "our" interests......indeed their interests may possibly be against "our" best interests.............. just because they happen to work here is irrelevant...
where do you draw the line???

is every french onion seller who happens to be here on polling day going to get a vote?

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 7:59 pm

I want to see controls later on immigration numbers read my arguments Tommy:
Anyway this is about people having a right to vote:

Possible scenarios:

If the same criteria as in the general British parliamentary election were used then there would be about 46 million eligible voters.

Of these, about 3.4 million are born in Commonwealth countries, British overseas territories/crown dependencies and Ireland - meaning that if a criteria based on nationality were adopted instead (like Ireland did for its vote on the Nice Treaty, and does for constitutional referendums, for example) the number of eligible voters could drop to as low as 42.6 million (the precise number would depend on how many are also British citizens as they would still be able to cast a ballot).

Wherever that figure falls is probably the lower end of the spectrum among the different possibilities the government will consider.

The biggest debate between political parties is likely to centre around giving the right to vote to EU nationals that are resident in the UK.

According to ONS estimates there about 2.7 million such individuals in the UK, compared with about 1.8 million Britons that live in Europe (which is more than one in three Britons living abroad).

One argument will be that UK nationals living abroad will have the right to vote because of the passport they hold.

However, another point of view is that the outcome of the referendum may have an impact on the lives of those 1.8 million people. At the very least it could curtail ease of doing business and access to benefits and services. At the extreme, it could lead to some having to return to Britain.

It is this second argument that could be made for EU nationals that live and work in Britain. Many will have lived in the UK for a number of years (perhaps even for a longer period of time than in their country of origin). They consider Britain to be their home. They have family here. They pay their taxes here. Yet, they may not have a say in a decision that would have a huge impact on their lives.

Adding EU nationals to the tally of eligible voters would bring the number of potential voters to 48.7 million.

If the government were to go further and follow the example of the Scottish independence referendum, by lowering the voting age for the EU referendum to 16, then about 1.5 million more people would be added to the electorate.

These, and the number of EU nationals, are of course both estimates (based on the most recent ONS population figures), and not all will be voters, and the government may well opt for partial solutions (eg EU nationals that have been residents in the UK for a minimum number of years) - but what is clear is that in a close race they could both prove to be powerful voting blocs.

Adding all the possible voting groups to the 2015 general election electorate could bring the total number of eligible voters in the EU referendum to 50.2 million. This makes a difference of up to 7.6 million people between the lower and higher ends of the spectrum of options the from which the government will need to choose.

Or, put another way, enough votes to change the outcome of a close referendum.

If you close your eyes, you can already hear Nigel Farage warning against granting a referendum vote to millions of Europeans. Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Westminster imposing its voting system on the people of Scotland. The Lib Dems, all eight of them, calling for all EU nationals and 16-17 year olds to have a say.

Stuck in the middle is David Cameron. The prime minister has a difficult decision to make even before he starts renegotiating the terms of Britain’s membership of the EU. And the repercussions of whatever the PM does choose may continue well beyond the day of the referendum. It may well decide its result.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:02 pm

This is going to effect many lives both within Britain and in the EU itself. To deny people this right to vote, of which they should have a right would be disgusting, as you are playing with the lives of people from the EU living here and Brits living within the EU.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:03 pm

exactly didge ...in other words ...gerrymandering

rigging the electorate to get the result you want

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:04 pm

darknessss wrote:exactly didge ...in other words ...gerrymandering

rigging the electorate to get the result you want

Oh for fuck sake, so you think people who have lived her or in EU should have no right to vote for their own future? You know as well as I do they should have every right to vote.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:05 pm

Didge and the like will NOT be satisfied till the E.U wet dream of armed foreign E.U police on our streets dragging away dissenters is acheived......

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:06 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
darknessss wrote:exactly didge ...in other words ...gerrymandering

rigging the electorate to get the result you want

Oh for fuck sake, so you think people who have lived her or in EU should have no right to vote for their own future? You know as well as I do they should have every right to vote.

do they fuck

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 8:06 pm

darknessss wrote:but it shows how desperate the E.U minions are ...the countdown to the referendum hasnt even started and they are trying to gerrymander the vote already...

Yes, quite!!!

They would be arguing against them getting to vote if they thought they would vote to leave...

The hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds!!!

It is quite simple... foreign nationals don't get to vote on our national UK parliament or on UK constitutional issues.

You can't have a fair referendum on something so important if you allow 1.5million foreign EU nationals who are only here because of the EU rules that we have never agreed to.

All the British people ever agreed to was a simple trade arrangement... not a hand over of control of 80% of our laws, rules and regulations, and not to open our borders to half a billion people to come and go as they please.

It would be a complete absurdity to be allowing foreign nationals a say in this important decision for our country.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:06 pm

All I have constantly heard is about how people did not have a right to vote on the EU in the first place and now people want to do exactly the same thing where it effects peoples lives, making them utter hypocrites on them being denied a vote in the first place on the EU.
It just shows the blooming hypocrisy of some on here.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:08 pm

they are not votin g for "their " future"

they are voting on a matter that affect me and mines future.....

They can always clear off back home if they dont like it here

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:08 pm

bullshit didge the two are NOT comparable

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:09 pm

darknessss wrote:they are not votin g for "their " future"

they are voting on a matter that affect me and mines future.....

They can always clear off back home if they dont like it here

That is utter bollocks, as yes they are voting for their future, because the moment the if a vote decides to leave, Brits in the EU and EU residents here will lose their rights to residency as EU citizens.
That is what you ail to grasp.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 8:10 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:This is going to effect many lives both within Britain and in the EU itself. To deny people this right to vote, of which they should have a right would be disgusting, as you are playing with the lives of people from the EU living here and Brits living within the EU.

Why don't you just let the whole of THe EU decide whether we can leave or not...!?

lol!

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:11 pm

darknessss wrote:bullshit didge the two are NOT comparable

No it proves you are an utter hypocrite. You cannot moan about being denied a the right to vote o an important issue, to then attempt to deny this to others where it could easily effect their lives.
That is the worst form of hypocrisy

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:12 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:This is going to effect many lives both within Britain and in the EU itself. To deny people this right to vote, of which they should have a right would be disgusting, as you are playing with the lives of people from the EU living here and Brits living within the EU.

Why don't you just let the whole of THe EU decide whether we can leave or not...!?

Because their rights as EU citizens in the country of their residency is not going to be effected, even a halfwit such as yourself can understand that!

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:16 pm

dont be such a drama queen

what do you think is going to happen....

you reckon the second a no vote happens they will all be rounded up and deported?....

dont be bloody daft...there were plenty of citizens from european countries here BEFORE the E.U idiocy, and there will be afterwards....

It will make little difference to those already here

(except that perhaps we will be able to get rid of the criminal faction easier)

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:18 pm

personall I think only people like me and Tommy and nicko should be allowed to vote on the basis that the liberalists and lefties are not mentally competant (not to mention disloyal at best) but still....

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:20 pm

darknessss wrote:dont be such a drama queen
what do you think is going to happen....
you reckon the second a no vote happens they will all be rounded up and deported?....
dont be bloody daft...there were plenty of citizens from european countries here BEFORE the E.U idiocy, and there will be afterwards....
It will make little difference to those already here
(except that perhaps we will be able to get rid of the criminal faction easier)

Talk about being utterly clueless. They will lose their rights to residency and thus lose their rights as EU citizens, how on earth can you not even see that. This could easily effect countless people which you fail to grasp. You are the one being a complete halfwit on this and being an utter hypocrite.
It makes a difference to everyone and yet you are denying some of those of who it will effect. Which proves you are being utterly naive and daft here

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:21 pm

darknessss wrote:personall I think only people like me and Tommy and nicko should be allowed to vote on the basis that the liberalists and lefties are not mentally competant (not to mention disloyal at best) but still....

Disloyal?
Maybe we should vote on removing the derisive people of this country that do not integrate, if anything they are the ones that clearly do not fit in within this society. Luckily us Liberals are not intolerant low life's, and would never vote on such a matter.The only thing you are loyal to is yourself

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 8:22 pm

It is a matter of national sovereignty and national constitutional.

Foreign nationals are guests in our country.

They have no right to vote on our national parliamentary issues or on matters of national sovereignty or constitution.

Simple facts dodge.

You may like it or not but they are the rules!!!

lol!

And I like it...!

I would not be allowed to vote on another countries national parliament or sovereignty if I was in one of their countries.

I would respect that I was a foreigner in their country and that it would be up to them to decide their national decisions.

Same rules apply here!!!

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:23 pm

Simple facts twatti
This effects many lives and thus all have a right to vote, even a halfwit like you has the right to vote here.
There is no rules, which shows you are a halfwit on the matter and of course a complete hypocrite.

Hilarious

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:29 pm

try living in the real world Didge , instead of that liberalist fanciful utopia

there are shed loads of things that can and DO affect ME that I dont get to vote on....always have been and always will be....

maybe we need another poll first

british citizens ONLY

a vote on

should foreign nationals who just "happen" to be here have a vote in te E.U referendum

I mean that IS what you are saying in reality isnt it....

moreover why not let NON E.U nationals working here vote as well as it may well affect THEM too....

In fact as Tommy suggested why NOT allow the E.U en bloc to vote as it WILL affect in some measure everyone... Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 8:30 pm

They are the rules dodge...

This is a British national matter of sovereignty and constitution.

For British people to decide the position of THe country.

It is not up to our guests to to tell us what we do in our own house...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:31 pm

in fact since you aare taking the route you are why not EVERYONE ...except britsh citizens...

I mean ...they dont count do they....only johney foreigner

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 8:34 pm

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:35 pm

darknessss wrote:try living in the real world Didge , instead of that liberalist fanciful utopia
What a load of babble
there are shed loads of things that can and DO affect ME that I dont get to vote on....always have been and always will be....
yes which is why you have the right to vote, just as they should. You are attempting to deny them the vote for the reasons you claim you should have the vote, because of how it can effect you, in other words your argument is self defeating, because the same arguments and methods apply
maybe we need another poll first
british citizens ONLY
Again how is that even fair, that is daft, based on your argument on how this could effect you, if you argue about your rights, the same applies to their rights

a vote on

should foreign nationals who just "happen" to be here have a vote in te E.U referendum

I mean that IS what you are saying in reality isnt it....

moreover why not let NON E.U nationals working here vote as well as it may well affect THEM too....

In fact as Tommy suggested why NOT allow the E.U en bloc to vote as it WILL affect in some measure everyone...

What a crock of shit, you are just exposing what an utter hypocrite you are banging on about never being given the chance to vote on the EU and now you attempt to deny people the right to who are directly involved and who it could adversely effect. The people in other EU countries as residents are not directly effected other than the British residents there, the point you miss and a daft irrelevant point, in fact is was utterly stupid
That is pathetic and like I say your argument conflicts and completely contradicts based on how it effects people..

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 8:45 pm

Foreign nationals do not get to vote in our national parliament or on matters of national sovereignty or constitution.

Just like I wouldn't be able to vote in any of theirs.

Get over it dodge...

They are guests in our country... and guests don't get to tell us what to do in our own houses...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:48 pm

No Tommy, I am not going to bow down to your hypocrisy here and lets face it that it is Victor giving the only real argument here, being as you are the halfwit ha ha

No side is going to agree here.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:51 pm

You are wrong though

a "brexit" would ulitmately affect everyone in the EU indeed it could be argued that it would have an impact world wide in some industries

and what about the french onion seller ? is he going to be allowed to vote???

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 8:55 pm

darknessss wrote:You are wrong though

a "brexit" would ulitmately affect everyone in the EU indeed it could be argued that it would have an impact world wide in some industries

and what about the french onion seller ? is he going to be allowed to vote???

It would effect some to a certain degree, but not to the extent of those directly involved, which would be Brits abroad and EU citizens here.

Listen Jean Claude has every right to vote Laughing

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 9:01 pm

You can't argue with The facts dodge.

It is easier for you to claim I have no argument...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 9:03 pm

You have no facts you dummy, that is the point as there is no law on this, just your usual babble

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 9:44 pm

The rules are clear that foreign nationals do not get to vote on national issues.

How many times do I have to tell you this simple fact!?

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 9:45 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The rules are clear that foreign nationals do not get to vote on national issues.

How many times do I have to tell you this simple fact!?

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 9:54 pm

Take your fingers out of your ears and stop singing 'la la la la la' dodge... it Is the simple rules!!!

lol!

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 9:54 pm

No it just gets boring debating a halfwit such as yourself Tommy

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 10:27 pm

Easy mistake to make with mobile phone jamming up...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 10:29 pm

Wrong thread dumbo

by Irn Bru Wed May 20, 2015 8:49 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Labour and lib dems opposed any moves to reduce numbers.

And both opposed a referendum on the EU which could have delivered us the necessary means to end EU free movement and therefore reduce numbers.

Labour opened the taps on immigration soon as they got into govt, then they signed us into free movement to half a billion poor former communist eastern countries.

Are you in favour of continued mass immigration or against it!?

Are you in favour of continued open door to half a billion or against it!?

No Tommy, It was the Tories who signed us up to free movement within the EU. Look up the Maastricht Treaty. It's in there.

by The Devil, You Know Wed May 20, 2015 8:59 am

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
An Italian asks why long-term British residents like her should be denied a vote on Britain's place in the European Union:

There is concern among Eurosceptic MPs about the possibility of 1.5 million EU citizens residing in the UK being granted a vote in David Cameron's EU Referendum, depending on which electoral register is used in that vote.
EU citizens like me are not on the General Election voter register but we appear on a separate electoral register for local council and European Parliament elections.
The franchise for the referendum won’t be decided for some months but it promises to be one of the trickiest aspects of deciding what it means to have a ‘full and fair’ referendum, to use Nigel Farage’s expression.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11614826/Im-not-British-but-I-live-here-and-pay-my-taxes.-Shouldnt-I-have-a-vote-in-the-EU-referendum.html

no she shouldn't have a vote. If she wants a vote on it then apply for british citizenship.

by The Devil, You Know Wed May 20, 2015 9:02 am

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
darknessss wrote:exactly didge ...in other words ...gerrymandering

rigging the electorate to get the result you want

Oh for fuck sake, so you think people who have lived her or in EU should have no right to vote for their own future? You know as well as I do they should have every right to vote.

no they shouldn't because this is a matter purely for the british people. Not for those who may not have less teh british interest at heart.
you need to be a citizen for this vote.

by The Devil, You Know Wed May 20, 2015 9:04 am

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
darknessss wrote:dont be such a drama queen
what do you think is going to happen....
you reckon the second a no vote happens they will all be rounded up and deported?....
dont be bloody daft...there were plenty of citizens from european countries here BEFORE the E.U idiocy, and there will be afterwards....
It will make little difference to those already here
(except that perhaps we will be able to get rid of the criminal faction easier)

Talk about being utterly clueless. They will lose their rights to residency and thus lose their rights as EU citizens, how on earth can you not even see that. This could easily effect countless people which you fail to grasp. You are the one being a complete halfwit on this and being an utter hypocrite.
It makes a difference to everyone and yet you are denying some of those of who it will effect. Which proves you are being utterly naive and daft here

why would they lose the right to residency if they are working and paying tax here. The only ones who may be asked to leave are those who are not working and paying tax.

by The Devil, You Know Wed May 20, 2015 9:05 am

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
darknessss wrote:personall I think only people like me and Tommy and nicko should be allowed to vote on the basis that the liberalists and lefties are not mentally competant (not to mention disloyal at best) but still....

Disloyal?
Maybe we should vote on removing the derisive people of this country that do not integrate, if anything they are the ones that clearly do not fit in within this society. Luckily us Liberals are not intolerant low life's, and would never vote on such a matter.The only thing you are loyal to is yourself

I presume you mean divisive? If so then most of the labour party should be excluded because they have done more to divide the country than any other section of society

by The Devil, You Know Wed May 20, 2015 9:07 am

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
darknessss wrote:try living in the real world Didge , instead of that liberalist fanciful utopia
What a load of babble
there are shed loads of things that can and DO affect ME that I dont get to vote on....always have been and always will be....
yes which is why you have the right to vote, just as they should. You are attempting to deny them the vote for the reasons you claim you should have the vote, because of how it can effect you, in other words your argument is self defeating, because the same arguments and methods apply
maybe we need another poll first
british citizens ONLY
Again how is that even fair, that is daft, based on your argument on how this could effect you, if you argue about your rights, the same applies to their rights

a vote on

should foreign nationals who just "happen" to be here have a vote in te E.U referendum

I mean that IS what you are saying in reality isnt it....

moreover why not let NON E.U nationals working here vote as well as it may well affect THEM too....

In fact as Tommy suggested why NOT allow the E.U en bloc to vote as it WILL affect in some measure everyone...

What a crock of shit, you are just exposing what an utter hypocrite you are banging on about never being given the chance to vote on the EU and now you attempt to deny people the right to who are directly involved and who it could adversely effect. The people in other EU countries as residents are not directly effected other than the British residents there, the point you miss and a daft irrelevant point, in fact is was utterly stupid
That is pathetic and like I say your argument conflicts and completely contradicts based on how it effects people..

they are not directly involved, they are visitors to the country who's allegiance is to another country. If they want to vote then they need to apply for british citizenship.

by Guest Wed May 20, 2015 9:09 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

What a crock of shit, you are just exposing what an utter hypocrite you are banging on about never being given the chance to vote on the EU and now you attempt to deny people the right to who are directly involved and who it could adversely effect. The people in other EU countries as residents are not directly effected other than the British residents there, the point you miss and a daft irrelevant point, in fact is was utterly stupid
That is pathetic and like I say your argument conflicts and completely contradicts based on how it effects people..
they are not directly involved, they are visitors to the country who's allegiance is to another country. If they want to vote then they need to apply for british citizenship.

Utter babble.
They are residents working and paying into the system, where some even have had children born here and the outcome could very well effect their rights to being a resident in this country. There is no law stating they have to aplly, that is complete bollocks.

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