A wonderful daily devotional to set up Christians for the day, god bless you..

Raggamuffin wrote:

stardesk wrote:Evening folks. First of all thanks to Didge for the support and encouragement. Very often, because of no logical feedback to my questions, I'm tempted to clear off to another forum. But I've come to know you people and don't really want to do that. So, can we leave out the personality cult and move forward.

I know how you feel. I feel like that too - this constant nagging on here for Christians to answer questions and justify their faith is getting on my nerves.

HF and VOD don't seem to mind, but I object to this constant implication that you and certain people on here are better than others because you don't have religious faith.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:"To the three of you, do not presume that Christians are stupid. That is very presumptuous of you".

I for one do not think you are stupid Raggs far from it .

But
when it comes to religion i think your still in the dark ages just like my sister "Roman catholic convert " that she is

Well that's your opinion ...

I'm not in the dark ages, I can assure you.

Thanks for the first bit though.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I know how you feel. I feel like that too - this constant nagging on here for Christians to answer questions and justify their faith is getting on my nerves.

HF and VOD don't seem to mind, but I object to this constant implication that you and certain people on here are better than others because you don't have religious faith.

The problem is not Stardesk or anyone challenging your faith. The only problem lies within yourself and how you are way too oversensitive to your faith being challenged. Which if you have faith, you have no need to worry if anyone does challenge that faith, being as nothing will sway your belief. The only reason to speak out and moan when people do shows you either have doubts or fear your faith being questioned. Again if you are one with faith, you should not be bothered. Only a person bothered who bemoans people being critical of something, want and will attempt to shut down any conversation that involves that belief in a negative light. Such a concept is only born from fear and only people who doubt have fear. The whole belief of Christianity is based on fear, a fear of retribution of eternal suffering. Hence why religious people always become as you do now, very over sensitive and all because you do doubt.

There are two types of Christians. Those that rise to the challenge, of which there are few. The other is the majority, who fear more that if they do not believe, they will end up suffering. That is not a faith of love, its one that plays on peoples fears.

So I will question, why are you allowing yourself to be led by fear?
If you do not fear, then you would have no reason to believe in your faith.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well that's your opinion ...

I'm not in the dark ages, I can assure you.

Thanks for the first bit though.

your welcome

you believe in a god (thats ok i don`t mind that) but you believe something that has no evidence to support other than the contradictory events and rules contained in a "2000" year old book pulled to gather some years after the events and in some cases with "knowledge" that it would be impossible to know



Aristotle believed that four elements make up everything under the Moon,

if we had gone with that for the past 2000 years do you think we would have any of the things we have today

why do i dislike religions, not just Christians  all of them ....because it causes more harm than good and is one of the most Evil philosophy on the planet

it makes normally clever and insightful people in to morons (no offence intended)

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


The problem is not Stardesk or anyone challenging your faith. The only problem lies within yourself and how you are way too oversensitive to your faith being challenged. Which if you have faith, you have no need to worry if anyone does challenge that faith, being as nothing will sway your belief. The only reason to speak out and moan when people do shows you either have doubts or fear your faith being questioned. Again if you are one with faith, you should not be bothered. Only a person bothered who bemoans people being critical of something, want and will attempt to shut down any conversation that involves that belief in a negative light. Such a concept is only born from fear and only people who doubt have fear. The whole belief of Christianity is based on fear, a fear of retribution of eternal suffering. Hence why religious people always become as you do now, very over sensitive and all because you do doubt.

There are two types of Christians. Those that rise to the challenge, of which there are few. The other is the majority, who fear more that if they do not believe, they will end up suffering. That is not a faith of love, its one that plays on peoples fears.

So I will question, why are you allowing yourself to be led by fear?
If you do not fear, then you would have no reason to believe in your faith.

I read the first bit of your post, and then it just became "blah, blah, blah".

I don't have a problem within myself, I have a problem with the complete and utter obsession with religion on this forum, and the judgemental way you and others behave about it.

I'm not particularly interested in explaining to anyone why I have faith - that's my business, not your business.

You and others have two topics of conversation - religion and race. Perhaps you should broaden your mind instead of pointing the finger at others.

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm not even going to bother read your post because I know without even looking that it will be full of sanctimonious, arrogant bullshit.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
your welcome

you believe in a god (thats ok i don`t mind that) but you believe something that has no evidence to support other than the contradictory events and rules contained in a "2000" year old book pulled to gather some years after the events and in some cases with "knowledge" that it would be impossible to know



Aristotle believed that four elements make up everything under the Moon,

if we had gone with that for the past 2000 years do you think we would have any of the things we have today

why do i dislike religions, not just Christians  all of them ....because it causes more harm than good and is one of the most Evil philosophy on the planet

it makes normally clever and insightful people in to morons (no offence intended)

Well you clearly do mind it ...

Offence taken - I'm not a moron.

Raggamuffin wrote:Nope, not going to bother reading it.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well you clearly do mind it ...

Offence taken - I'm not a moron.

No raggs i don`t not in any way and nether does SD or didge you mistake legitimate questions as criticism as hate or an attack against what you believe

you can believe what ever you want nobody is trying to take that away but believing somethings that are patently false and inaccurate in favour of your belief is ........unimaginable by me  

And take offence by all means it wasn`t intended

But if you believe the world was created in 6 days
humans are created instantaneously from dust and breath,
All of the animals today boarded the ark to survive a flood
puts the rainbow in the sky
ect ect
i can only come to one conclusion

Raggamuffin wrote:One reason I didn't join Flap forum is that I didn't much care for the way the religion section was described - I thought it would be an anti-religion forum. You know what though? I haven't seen Dean be anything like as judgemental, scornful, and downright rude about people with faith as some of you on here.

I'm not an evangelical person - I don't go around on this forum or anywhere else trying to convince people to become Christians and telling them they're wrong to not believe. It's a pity some of you don't return the courtesy.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:One reason I didn't join Flap forum is that I didn't much care for the way the religion section was described - I thought it would be an anti-religion forum. You know what though? I haven't seen Dean be anything like as judgemental, scornful, and downright rude about people with faith as some of you on here.

I'm not an evangelical person - I don't go around on this forum or anywhere else trying to convince people to become Christians and telling them they're wrong to not believe. It's a pity some of you don't return the courtesy.

Well you've objected to my thread where I am actually trying to weigh up the difference. And it's the first one I've started I think??

Anyway.
It's only fanaticals, that do harm

Religion in itself, does no harm.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Well you've objected to my thread where I am actually trying to weigh up the difference. And it's the first one I've started I think??

Anyway.
It's only fanaticals, that do harm

Religion in itself, does no harm.

You seem to have missed out all the religions where people don't follow one "god"

I noticed that nobody harasses Victor, despite the fact that he follows a religion. Of course it's not Christianity, so that makes him OK, right?

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You seem to have missed out all the religions where people don't follow one "god"

I noticed that nobody harasses Victor, despite the fact that he follows a religion. Of course it's not Christianity, so that makes him OK, right?

Errrrrr I did ? i don`t think so ? i don`t generally object to threads ,where raggs ?

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
Errrrrr I did ? i don`t think so ? i don`t generally object to threads ,where raggs ?

Eddie was talking to me, so I don't know what you mean.

Thought For The Day

stardesk wrote:Afternoon folks. It would appear that by some of the replies I have been grossly misunderstood.

Quoting Raggy: 'I don't have a problem within myself, I have a problem with the complete and utter obsession with religion on this forum, and the judgemental way you and others behave about it.'

It is not a case of obsession but wanting a logical and sensible answer to my question, from the religious mind. An explanation which may help others as well as myself to understand better how your god works and why he does/doesn't help people less fortunate. OK? Got that?

So. once again I ask: Why does God allow to be born, babies who are deaf, dumb, blind, Downes Syndrome, and other disabilities

stardesk wrote:Afternoon folks. It would appear that by some of the replies I have been grossly misunderstood.

Quoting Raggy: 'I don't have a problem within myself, I have a problem with the complete and utter obsession with religion on this forum, and the judgemental way you and others behave about it.'

It is not a case of obsession but wanting a logical and sensible answer to my question, from the religious mind. An explanation which may help others as well as myself to understand better how your god works and why he does/doesn't help people less fortunate. OK? Got that?

So. once again I ask: Why does God allow to be born, babies who are deaf, dumb, blind, Downes Syndrome, and other disabilities

darknessss wrote:Quite frankly I am appalled.

It seems the left are as censorious and as big a set of self righteous pricks as those they claim to hate (and i mean hate this is more that "dislike")

As I pointed out earlier there are any number of threads where these challenges could be raised, and rightfully so
BUT THIS   THIS ONE thread, where HF and the others who wish have merely posted religious passages (except where forced to respond) is EXACTLY for that

HF is also right, who has challenged in such a rude way the pagan thread??

what part of there IS NO NEED (in THIS thread) for ANY of you to be so damn rude??
As I said ...would you walk into a church and disrupt the mass?

Lay out what challenges you will on any of the many many other threads but at LEAST have the decency to keep out of this one if you have nothing nice to say

AND , before you start spouting the old "this is a debate forum and I'll post what I want where I want" idiocy, consider this

THIS section and THESE threads were isolated and given a seperate section IN PARTICULAR in order to stop EXACTLY what you are doing.

these "devotional" threads are there specifically for those of whatever following to post in peace NOT as a battle ground for the dictatorial left to impose their "atheism"


and NO...you have NO excuses or reasons...not here

darknessss wrote:You dont get it do you....

THERE ARE PLENTY of other threads to do what you want to do....

The "devotional threads " were set up by the mods to provide a "quiet" space for those who wish

just because you feel some sort of "need" to harrass people at every opportunity doesnt of necessity make you "virtuous"

I dont care if the passages are straight from hades thats NOT the point

you and the rest of the lefties have put yourself in the position of not only harrasing a minority but of doing so out of an over inflated sense of self righteousness


Yes I have quite openly criticised HF and others for their beliefs ON OTHER THREADS. I would NOT do so in here, to do so is simply ignorant

DONT make the mistake that I am defending their belifs here....What I am doing is what you do for everyone else and his dog...defending their RIGHT to their faith....

but then "freedom" under the leftie jackboot is a different species to the freedom I was brought up to beleive in....


Perhaps you should note that HF and the rest have NOT been seen disrupting the pagan devotional thread

interesting hmmmmmm???? (and thank you HF and Co.....it IS appreciated beleive me)

Belatucadros wrote:

darknessss wrote:You dont get it do you....

THERE ARE PLENTY of other threads to do what you want to do....

The "devotional threads " were set up by the mods to provide a "quiet" space for those who wish

just because you feel some sort of "need" to harrass people at every opportunity doesnt of necessity make you "virtuous"

I dont care if the passages are straight from hades thats NOT the point

you and the rest of the lefties have put yourself in the position of not only harrasing a minority but of doing so out of an over inflated sense of self righteousness


Yes I have quite openly criticised HF and others for their beliefs ON OTHER THREADS. I would NOT do so in here, to do so is simply ignorant

DONT make the mistake that I am defending their belifs here....What I am doing is what you do for everyone else and his dog...defending their RIGHT to their faith....

but then "freedom" under the leftie jackboot is a different species to the freedom I was brought up to beleive in....


Perhaps you should note that HF and the rest have NOT been seen disrupting the pagan devotional thread

interesting hmmmmmm???? (and thank you HF and Co.....it IS appreciated beleive me)

Sorry but you do not get it.
To some people like Stardesk, such threads are at odds with the very core of his beliefs and he finds them in poor taste, hence why he asked a valid question, of which he was ganged up on with abuse from posters here, the Christian ones, which you seem to have avoided.
To some people such a thread by its very message is an insult.
So they have not interrupted the pagan thread but they have certainly disrupted other threads that I and others have posted where they are are at odds with, so your argument falls apart. I am not pagan, so if others wanted to challenged that they can also.
It seems its acceptable for them to derail many threads where I post books that counter religious views, where you have not spoken a word on. I just counter back their views. How many threads on homosexuality have their been abusive about? For example the Irish voting for Gay marriage.
No thread is beyond countering its views
Get it in your head, I am not left wing and that not everything you disagree with is left wing.
You are defending their rights to preach without counter. The object of preaching, of which this thread is about, is to attempt to convert people, and people have every right to challenge that.

stardesk wrote:Darkness, should you have overlooked it, just above, here it is again:

Well said, Didge.  I second that. I've a broad back and can take the abuse, and if need be, give some back.

Darkness, this is a debating forum where we pose questions and/or comments, expecting replies which take the conversation forward. It is not a church or religious meeting house, there are other, more secular forums and websites for such discourse

darknessss wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Sorry but you do not get it.
To some people like Stardesk, such threads are at odds with the very core of his beliefs and he finds them in poor taste, hence why he asked a valid question, of which he was ganged up on with abuse from posters here, the Christian ones, which you seem to have avoided.
To some people such a thread by its very message is an insult.
So they have not interrupted the pagan thread but they have certainly disrupted other threads that I and others have posted where they are are at odds with, so your argument falls apart. I am not pagan, so if others wanted to challenged that they can also.
It seems its acceptable for them to derail many threads where I post books that counter religious views, where you have not spoken a word on. I just counter back their views. How many threads on homosexuality have their been abusive about? For example the Irish voting for Gay marriage.
No thread is beyond countering its views
Get it in your head, I am not left wing and that not everything you disagree with is left wing.
You are defending their rights to preach without counter. The object of preaching, of which this thread is about, is to attempt to convert people, and people have every right to challenge that.

you argument would hold water EXCEPT for the point that the very reason for this one thread to exist was to provide a space for them to post without disruption...
as was the pagan thread....

ALL other threads are "open" if you will.

why do you think the mods went to the trouble of making these threads seperate??

you are not being right , you are being self righteous

you are not being virtuous, you are being boorish

As I have said earlier...would you walk into a church and disrupt its services...

HF is not "evangelising" here...after all to do that he needs an audience......

only the willing come here.....

Belatucadros wrote:

darknessss wrote:

you argument would hold water EXCEPT for the point that the very reason for this one thread to exist was to provide a space for them to post without disruption...
as was the pagan thread....

ALL other threads are "open" if you will.

why do you think the mods went to the trouble of making these threads seperate??

you are not being right , you are being self righteous

you are not being virtuous, you are being boorish

As I have said earlier...would you walk into a church and disrupt its services...

HF is not "evangelising" here...after all to do that he needs an audience......

only the willing come here.....

Its a forum to debate, so breathing space is again absurd.
This is you deciding to make up rules here which others have not agreed to.
You fail to factor in that I am some others find it insulting the views expressed here, especially when they come from someone who makes money out of manipulating Christians, Joseph Prince.
Funnily enough I have spoken out in a Church before at my brothers funeral, being as he was denied his atheism and had a Christian service of which he asked not to have.
You have to accept some people find the views here expressed very insulting, even more when it is Evangelical Christianity.
Okay lets put this up to the test shall we, how about you open a thread to have a place for homosexuals to express their beliefs away from anyone else being horrible about them.
Or one for Muslims.
One for Left wing supporters.

the whole damn board meets THOSE criteria....by the way some on here behave.....

Before you know it, every thread will become prohibited from debating on, because you choice to deny people the opportunity to counter views. Again the very same people on here constantly use the most insulting language to Homosexuals, Muslims, Blacks etc, that is okay, but we must not say anything against their precious faith.

darknessss wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Its a forum to debate, so breathing space is again absurd.
This is you deciding to make up rules here which others have not agreed to.
You fail to factor in that I am some others find it insulting the views expressed here, especially when they come from someone who makes money out of manipulating Christians, Joseph Prince.
Funnily enough I have spoken out in a Church before at my brothers funeral, being as he was denied his atheism and had a Christian service of which he asked not to have.
You have to accept some people find the views here expressed very insulting, even more when it is Evangelical Christianity.
Okay lets put this up to the test shall we, how about you open a thread to have a place for homosexuals to express their beliefs away from anyone else being horrible about them.
Or one for Muslims.
One for Left wing supporters.

the whole damn board meets THOSE criteria....by the way some on here behave.....

Before you know it, every thread will become prohibited from debating on, because you choice to deny people the opportunity to counter views. Again the very same people on here constantly use the most insulting language to Homosexuals, Muslims, Blacks etc, that is okay, but we must not say anything against their precious faith.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

stardesk wrote:Afternoon folks. It would appear that by some of the replies I have been grossly misunderstood.

Quoting Raggy: 'I don't have a problem within myself, I have a problem with the complete and utter obsession with religion on this forum, and the judgemental way you and others behave about it.'

It is not a case of obsession but wanting a logical and sensible answer to my question, from the religious mind. An explanation which may help others as well as myself to understand better how your god works and why he does/doesn't help people less fortunate. OK? Got that?

So. once again I ask: Why does God allow to be born, babies who are deaf, dumb, blind, Downes Syndrome, and other disabilities

God doesn't allow them, they must occur naturally!!!

stardesk wrote:Well said, Didge.  I second that. I've a broad back and can take the abuse, and if need be, give some back.

Darkness, this is a debating forum where we pose questions and/or comments, expecting replies which take the conversation forward. It is not a church or religious meeting house, there are other, more secular forums and websites for such discourse.
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HF, thanks for your reply re disabled babies. If God doesn't allow them, and it occurs naturally then surely that proves the evolutionary story. Otherwise it demonstrates that God didn't construct Adam very well if diseases etc are handed down, and that hand-down stretches way back to the beginning.

Belatucadros wrote:

darknessss wrote:Quite frankly I am appalled.

It seems the left are as censorious and as big a set of self righteous pricks as those they claim to hate (and i mean hate this is more that "dislike")

As I pointed out earlier there are any number of threads where these challenges could be raised, and rightfully so
BUT THIS   THIS ONE thread, where HF and the others who wish have merely posted religious passages (except where forced to respond) is EXACTLY for that

HF is also right, who has challenged in such a rude way the pagan thread??

what part of there IS NO NEED (in THIS thread) for ANY of you to be so damn rude??
As I said ...would you walk into a church and disrupt the mass?

Lay out what challenges you will on any of the many many other threads but at LEAST have the decency to keep out of this one if you have nothing nice to say

AND , before you start spouting the old "this is a debate forum and I'll post what I want where I want" idiocy, consider this

THIS section and THESE threads were isolated and given a seperate section IN PARTICULAR in order to stop EXACTLY what you are doing.

these "devotional" threads are there specifically for those of whatever following to post in peace NOT as a battle ground for the dictatorial left to impose their "atheism"


and NO...you have NO excuses or reasons...not here

Utter complete balderdash.
At every turn those of faith try to convert people to their faith by stating very clearly that atheism and and every other faith is wrong. This is acceptable, but to do as they are doing is now some lefty conspiracy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is much wrong in many faiths.
What is worse about these threads is they are the views of Joseph Prince, who is nothing more than a money grabber.
It is manipulating people out of their money.
So if I think or others do that it is a bad idea and counter this, then you have no right to say anything to people who would be very at odds with such views being promoted on a thread and not challenged.
Personally I do not give a flying fuck, but others have a right to, and you are no position to judge when you have made countless threads against people and their beliefs, of which their beliefs are left wing.
In other words you are being very hypocirtical

korban dallas wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
God doesn't allow them, they must occur naturally!!!

God doesn't allow them ?? so your saying these people are godless and lack a sole ??

darknessss wrote:Moreover Star, I dont consider your question about disabled babies to be "contentious or censorious"

but some have come on here looking for a fight, and this is simply NOT the place for it...

there are 100's of other threads....

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Utter complete balderdash.
At every turn those of faith try to convert people to their faith by stating very clearly that atheism and and every other faith is wrong. This is acceptable, but to do as they are doing is now some lefty conspiracy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is much wrong in many faiths.
What is worse about these threads is they are the views of Joseph Prince, who is nothing more than a money grabber.
It is manipulating people out of their money.
So if I think or others do that it is a bad idea and counter this, then you have no right to say anything to people who would be very at odds with such views being promoted on a thread and not challenged.
Personally I do not give a flying fuck, but others have a right to, and you are no position to judge when you have made countless threads against people and their beliefs, of which their beliefs are left wing.
In other words you are being very hypocirtical

I have done nothing of the kind, but you sit here day after day telling Christians that they are wrong. Why the fuck you're so bothered I don't know. It's not as if you actually care.

Raggamuffin wrote:

darknessss wrote:Moreover Star, I dont consider your question about disabled babies to be "contentious or censorious"

but some have come on here looking for a fight, and this is simply NOT the place for it...

there are 100's of other threads....

In a nutshell - hundreds of threads on the same thing - Christianity bashing.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I have done nothing of the kind, but you sit here day after day telling Christians that they are wrong. Why the fuck you're so bothered I don't know. It's not as if you actually care.

By your very belief you think others are wrong, otherwise your own faith is a complete contradiction..
What I do is show the contradictions in the Christian faith, what is wrong with that?
Nothing. It only becomes a concern to someone when they fear that they might be wrong because they lack faith. I am bothered about the harm of what religion does, of which it often does.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

In a nutshell - hundreds of threads on the same thing - Christianity bashing.

Utter gobbledygook.
It is about showing things wrong and those who do things wrong in regards to Christianity, which you seem to think should be censured now as if it is wrong to speak about them. May I suggest you look at the history of Christianity to gauge how bad it has been followed for the last 2000 years.

stardesk wrote:What are you on about, Darkness? The religious topics are in amongst the scrolling index on the right of your screen, which anyone can access and post comments, just the same as all other topics.

Night night.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

Utter gobbledygook.
It is about showing things wrong and those who do things wrong in regards to Christianity, which you seem to think should be censured now as if it is wrong to speak about them. May I suggest you look at the history of Christianity to gauge how bad it has been followed for the last 2000 years.

May I suggest you put a sock on it and stop harassing people all over this forum every waking moment?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

By your very belief you think others are wrong, otherwise your own faith is a complete contradiction..
What I do is show the contradictions in the Christian faith, what is wrong with that?
Nothing. It only becomes a concern to someone when they fear that they might be wrong because they lack faith. I am bothered about the harm of what religion does, of which it often does.

I don't start thread after thread telling them they're wrong do I? I could do - I could sit here like you starting threads every minute of the day slagging off atheists - you want me to do that? You don't even wait for a reply before you start the next one half the time.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
God doesn't allow them ?? so your saying these people are godless and lack a sole ??

Soul, not sole.

That's not what he meant, and you know it.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

May I suggest you put a sock on it and stop harassing people all over this forum every waking moment?

I am not harassing anyone, as this is a forum I can reply to anyone I like.
Playing the pathetic victim card again as per usual, when you are not a victim at all.
So I will do as I please and best you get used to that